Thread: [Docutils-develop] [docutils:feature-requests] #58 Migration Docutils from SourceForge to Github

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** [feature-requests:#58] Migration Docutils from SourceForge to Github**

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**Created:** Fri Feb 16, 2018 03:23 PM UTC by Yves Chevallier
**Last Updated:** Fri Feb 16, 2018 03:23 PM UTC
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Sourceforge is not really user friendly to report issues, propose pull-request and contribute to the project. I would like to know if it is possible to migrate Docutils to GitHub. 


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There are currently no plans to move to GitHub, sorry.

There is a Git mirror at https://repo.or.cz/w/docutils.git
(cf. `Creating a local git clone`__).

Issues can also be reported via mail to the `docutils-users list`__ (see 
`Docutils Mailing Lists`__ and our `home page`__
Provided patches may be against the  Git-mirror, too.

Hope this helps a bit.


__ http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/user/mailing-lists.html#docutils-users
__ http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/user/mailing-lists.html
__ http://docutils.sourceforge.net/
__  http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/dev/repository.html#creating-a-local-git-clone




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** [feature-requests:#58] Migration Docutils from SourceForge to Github**

**Status:** open
**Group:** Default
**Created:** Fri Feb 16, 2018 03:23 PM UTC by Yves Chevallier
**Last Updated:** Fri Feb 16, 2018 03:23 PM UTC
**Owner:** nobody


Sourceforge is not really user friendly to report issues, propose pull-request and contribute to the project. I would like to know if it is possible to migrate Docutils to GitHub. 


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Adding a +1 here. I don't mean to be rude, but it's pretty ludicrous in 2020, that such a widely used package is on sourceforge. There is literally no other python package I know of that is not using git (GitHub or GitLab) and it is a massive barrier to contribution.
That fact that, 18 year after its first release, its still not even on its v1 release, when sphinx (IMO the main reason why docutils is still even used) is now on version 3, is pretty indicative of the lack of development on this project.
I'm sure there are many people that want to help you improve this package, please help them to help you!


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** [feature-requests:#58] Migration Docutils from SourceForge to Github**

**Status:** open
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**Created:** Fri Feb 16, 2018 03:23 PM UTC by Yves Chevallier
**Last Updated:** Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:50 AM UTC
**Owner:** nobody


Sourceforge is not really user friendly to report issues, propose pull-request and contribute to the project. I would like to know if it is possible to migrate Docutils to GitHub. 


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I'd also like to +1 this request. These days Git is the go-to solution for starting projects and keeping them going. In fact, even I've never had to learn to use svn. I recall copying some commands back in 2012 to fetch some source but then I've never needed it again. Throughout my career I haven't met anything other then Git with a few exceptions (like perforce) on "neighbor" projects that I didn't participate in.

And since Git became so popular, it's the first thing newbies see in when they start figuring out coding in 2020. With time, the number of people who know Git (and never saw svn in their lives) and are familiar with the popular code hosting / social platforms is going to be overwhelmingly higher. Many of them could potentially contribute and help maintain this project but wouldn't want to go through all of the burden of learning a totally foreign mix of ecosystems.

Now, besides the obvious GitHub/GitHub/BitBucket hostings that provide about the same set of the basic colaboration services (like issues/pull requests/CI), there's also others that are more open (as in the are all FOSS). Let me give you some idea about the options with some notes:

* https://opendev.org/ — this one comes from the OpenStack ecosystem and consists of a set of open source tools like Gerrit (code review), Zuul (CI — literally the most flexibly configurable of a kind that folks run for FOSS projects), Gitea (browsing source), Etherpad, mediawiki and some more.
* https://sr.ht/ — also consists of a collection of tools, connected in an UNIX-style way (componets that follow a single responsibility principle by doing one thing but doing it well). There's a bug tracker, wikis, CI and mailing lists built-in. The most wonderful feature it supports IMHO is the first-class support for email-driven git workflow. This means that contributors don't even need an account on the service — they can send patches over email in a standardized manner (https://drewdevault.com/2018/07/02/Email-driven-git.html / https://git-send-email.io/). Fun fact: Git itself uses an send-email for their own contribution workflow!
* https://pagure.io/ — a Git hosting that is mostly used by Fedora and is sponsored by Red Hat. Though, AFAICS it's open to be used by anybody. Also open source. Has some issues/wiki support. Seems to require an external Jenkins instance for CI.
* http://github.com/ — issues/Pull Requests/wiki/CI/huge community/project boards. Doesn't have mailing lists, nor is open source itself. Among advantages: big single-click Apps/integrations ecosystem, has a built-in static website hosting (GitHub Pages).
* https://gitlab.com/ — (almost) open source. They say it's open core — the main thing is FOSS and extra features are closed/paid. Has issues/Merge Requests/wiki/CI/somewhat big community/GitLab Pages (static website hosting)/Docker registry/project boards.
* https://bitbucket.org/ — closed source, has issues/Pull Requests/CI.


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** [feature-requests:#58] Migration Docutils from SourceForge to Github**

**Status:** open
**Group:** Default
**Created:** Fri Feb 16, 2018 03:23 PM UTC by Yves Chevallier
**Last Updated:** Sun Aug 02, 2020 05:27 PM UTC
**Owner:** nobody


Sourceforge is not really user friendly to report issues, propose pull-request and contribute to the project. I would like to know if it is possible to migrate Docutils to GitHub. 


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Thanks for the list  Sviatoslav.
Apart from personal preference, the killer reason I think GitHub though is that sphinx (IMO the main "user" of docutils) is on GitHub, and so this would allow easier cross-referencing between both projects 


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** [feature-requests:#58] Migration Docutils from SourceForge to Github**

**Status:** open
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**Created:** Fri Feb 16, 2018 03:23 PM UTC by Yves Chevallier
**Last Updated:** Thu Aug 06, 2020 08:03 PM UTC
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Sourceforge is not really user friendly to report issues, propose pull-request and contribute to the project. I would like to know if it is possible to migrate Docutils to GitHub. 


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I see much more reasons: 

- Easier search in issues
- Allowing discussions in issues
- Clear visible history on pull-requests
- Easy fork/contribution on the project
- Full GitHub actions ecosystem for continuous integration
- and plenty more...


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** [feature-requests:#58] Migration Docutils from SourceForge to Github**

**Status:** open
**Group:** Default
**Created:** Fri Feb 16, 2018 03:23 PM UTC by Yves Chevallier
**Last Updated:** Thu Aug 06, 2020 08:30 PM UTC
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Sourceforge is not really user friendly to report issues, propose pull-request and contribute to the project. I would like to know if it is possible to migrate Docutils to GitHub. 


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Hi folks,

I don't have a strong opinion about migration. Indeed, I prefer to use
GitHub and other modern platforms. But it does not mean Sourceforge
prevents the contribution to docutils. Actually, I've posted some
patches to this project ever. Surely, I must admit I'd needed to
remember how to create a patch file from my git repository every time.
But it's a minor issue to me. So I'm neutral for this topic.

My large concern for this topic is nobody mentioned about the costs of
migration. I think somebody should pay a cost to migrate the project
to GitHub. Especially, I minded the cost of each maintainer. I don't
know how they are familiar with git, GitHub, CI, and so on. I know
openness for new contributors is very important. So I agree it is
worth migrating to well-known platform like GitHub. But I also think
it is important to keep the environment that main maintainers can
works. We have to know the cost of the migration for each maintainer.
I worry about the migration would stop or slow down more the project
(if they need to pay costs for the new platform).

Many thanks for continuous maintaining.

Takeshi KOMIYA

2020年8月7日(金) 19:56 Yves Chevallier via Docutils-develop
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> I see much more reasons:
>
> Easier search in issues
> Allowing discussions in issues
> Clear visible history on pull-requests
> Easy fork/contribution on the project
> Full GitHub actions ecosystem for continuous integration
> and plenty more...
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** [feature-requests:#58] Migration Docutils from SourceForge to Github**

**Status:** open
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**Created:** Fri Feb 16, 2018 03:23 PM UTC by Yves Chevallier
**Last Updated:** Fri Aug 07, 2020 10:56 AM UTC
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Sourceforge is not really user friendly to report issues, propose pull-request and contribute to the project. I would like to know if it is possible to migrate Docutils to GitHub. 


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Cross-posting from

Note I have now created: https://github.com/chrisjsewell/docutils: https://github.com/sphinx-doc/sphinx/issues/8039#issuecomment-671081278
As it states in the README, this package shows how a migration can be done in a very simple, autonomous manner:

-  migrating code, commit history (with authors) and branches using the GitHub Importer (this takes about 10 minutes),
- migrating tickets to issues using a python script that interfaces with the SourceForge and GitHub REST APIs (this is both autonomous and idempotent and takes about 10 minutes).

The main branch derives from the svn trunk, then here on the develop branch this README has been added and a GitHub workflow for Continuous Integration.
I think this covers the majority of a migration?

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thanks for the reply Takeshi.
As Inote in
https://sourceforge.net/p/docutils/mailman/message/37077728/, unfortunately you are the only person in 2020 to have a patch ticket closed.
I understand your viewpoint, if anyone wants to contribute money then thats great, but I think people will also pay with their time. As shown above, I'm happy to help migrate or even become a maintainer, and I'm sure I am not the only one.


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** [feature-requests:#58] Migration Docutils from SourceForge to Github**

**Status:** open
**Group:** Default
**Created:** Fri Feb 16, 2018 03:23 PM UTC by Yves Chevallier
**Last Updated:** Fri Aug 07, 2020 10:56 AM UTC
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Sourceforge is not really user friendly to report issues, propose pull-request and contribute to the project. I would like to know if it is possible to migrate Docutils to GitHub. 


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Fixing formatting issues above:

Cross-posting from https://github.com/sphinx-doc/sphinx/issues/8039#issuecomment-671081278

Note I have now created: https://github.com/chrisjsewell/docutils

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** [feature-requests:#58] Migration Docutils from SourceForge to Github**

**Status:** open
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**Created:** Fri Feb 16, 2018 03:23 PM UTC by Yves Chevallier
**Last Updated:** Sun Aug 09, 2020 06:18 PM UTC
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Wonderful ! I saw you also set a GitHub workflow which is awesome! 

Notice that somebody already have an unmaintened mirror there: https://github.com/docutils/docutils

The the migration occurs, it would be great to transfer your work there.

Then there are a lot of cleaning, get rid of the `sandbox` or automigrating these as separate branches. Perhaps https://github.com/chrisjsewell/docutils/tree/develop/docutils should be set as the new root. The web part can be placed in another repository. 

What do you think?


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** [feature-requests:#58] Migration Docutils from SourceForge to Github**

**Status:** open
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**Created:** Fri Feb 16, 2018 03:23 PM UTC by Yves Chevallier
**Last Updated:** Sun Aug 09, 2020 06:20 PM UTC
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Sourceforge is not really user friendly to report issues, propose pull-request and contribute to the project. I would like to know if it is possible to migrate Docutils to GitHub. 


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Cheers, well yes anything is possible, I first wanted to show that its not a particularly arduous task.

Note I have also now added CI test coverage https://codecov.io/gh/chrisjsewell/docutils


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** [feature-requests:#58] Migration Docutils from SourceForge to Github**

**Status:** open
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**Created:** Fri Feb 16, 2018 03:23 PM UTC by Yves Chevallier
**Last Updated:** Sun Aug 09, 2020 07:20 PM UTC
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On Sun, 9 Aug 2020 at 21:20, Yves Chevallier <no...@us...>
wrote:

> Wonderful ! I saw you also set a GitHub workflow which is awesome!
>
> Notice that somebody already have an unmaintened mirror there:
> https://github.com/docutils/docutils
>
> The the migration occurs, it would be great to transfer your work there.
>
> Then there are a lot of cleaning, get rid of the sandbox
>
do you know all uses of the sandbox ?
did you see the quality of patches we get ?
lacking everything, not even some documentation ... from the same people
complaining the documentation of docutils is bad

???? ah i get it some left over april jokes  ... and i fell for it .... my
bad sorry






> or automigrating these as separate branches. Perhaps
> https://github.com/chrisjsewell/docutils/tree/develop/docutils should be
> set as the new root. The web part can be placed in another repository.
>
> What do you think?
> ------------------------------
>
> * [feature-requests:#58]
> <https://sourceforge.net/p/docutils/feature-requests/58/> Migration
> Docutils from SourceForge to Github*
>
> *Status:* open
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> *Created:* Fri Feb 16, 2018 03:23 PM UTC by Yves Chevallier
> *Last Updated:* Sun Aug 09, 2020 06:20 PM UTC
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>
> Sourceforge is not really user friendly to report issues, propose
> pull-request and contribute to the project. I would like to know if it is
> possible to migrate Docutils to GitHub.
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** [feature-requests:#58] Migration Docutils from SourceForge to Github**

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**Created:** Fri Feb 16, 2018 03:23 PM UTC by Yves Chevallier
**Last Updated:** Sun Aug 09, 2020 08:39 PM UTC
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Looks like I have some permissions on the GitHub docutils account. I'd be
happy to give permissions to anyone who wants to maintain an official
mirror.

In terms of short-term fixes, I wonder if having a GitHub mirror of
docutils that accepted Pull Requests would solve a lot of the contribution
issues? The core devs could continue to use SF & SVN, but git contributors
would be able to use the GitHub workflow they are accustomed to. This seems
like a good place to start.

Cheers,
Eric

On Sun, Aug 9, 2020 at 2:28 PM engelbert gruber via Docutils-develop <
doc...@li...> wrote:

> On Sun, 9 Aug 2020 at 21:20, Yves Chevallier no...@us...
> wrote:
>
> Wonderful ! I saw you also set a GitHub workflow which is awesome!
>
> Notice that somebody already have an unmaintened mirror there:
> https://github.com/docutils/docutils
>
> The the migration occurs, it would be great to transfer your work there.
>
> Then there are a lot of cleaning, get rid of the sandbox
>
> do you know all uses of the sandbox ?
> did you see the quality of patches we get ?
> lacking everything, not even some documentation ... from the same people
> complaining the documentation of docutils is bad
>
> ???? ah i get it some left over april jokes ... and i fell for it .... my
> bad sorry
>
> or automigrating these as separate branches. Perhaps
> https://github.com/chrisjsewell/docutils/tree/develop/docutils should be
> set as the new root. The web part can be placed in another repository.
> What do you think?
>
>    - [feature-requests:#58]
>    <https://sourceforge.net/p/docutils/feature-requests/58/>
>    https://sourceforge.net/p/docutils/feature-requests/58/ Migration
>    Docutils from SourceForge to Github*
>
> *Status:* open
> *Group:* Default
> *Created:* Fri Feb 16, 2018 03:23 PM UTC by Yves Chevallier
> *Last Updated:* Sun Aug 09, 2020 06:20 PM UTC
> *Owner:* nobody
>
> Sourceforge is not really user friendly to report issues, propose
> pull-request and contribute to the project. I would like to know if it is
> possible to migrate Docutils to GitHub.
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> *Status:* open
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> *Created:* Fri Feb 16, 2018 03:23 PM UTC by Yves Chevallier
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>
> Sourceforge is not really user friendly to report issues, propose
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> possible to migrate Docutils to GitHub.
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Hey Eric, 

I was actually already meaning to mention to you, that you also have ownership of https://readthedocs.org/projects/docutils/ <https://readthedocs.org/projects/docutils/>
Which was 4 years outdated, but now I see there’s a recent build, so looks like you dug it back up from the grave lol

Just to note also, this message does not show up on the actual ticket thread: https://sourceforge.net/p/docutils/feature-requests/58/ <https://sourceforge.net/p/docutils/feature-requests/58/>
This is the second time I’ve seen this happen in the last few days (the other being Jeffrey’s reply) .

> On 9 Aug 2020, at 23:51, Eric Holscher <er...@er...> wrote:
> 
> Looks like I have some permissions on the GitHub docutils account. I'd be happy to give permissions to anyone who wants to maintain an official mirror.
> 
> In terms of short-term fixes, I wonder if having a GitHub mirror of docutils that accepted Pull Requests would solve a lot of the contribution issues? The core devs could continue to use SF & SVN, but git contributors would be able to use the GitHub workflow they are accustomed to. This seems like a good place to start.
> 
> Cheers,
> Eric
> 
> On Sun, Aug 9, 2020 at 2:28 PM engelbert gruber via Docutils-develop <doc...@li... <mailto:doc...@li...>> wrote:
> On Sun, 9 Aug 2020 at 21:20, Yves Chevallier no...@us... <mailto:no...@us...>
> wrote:
> 
> Wonderful ! I saw you also set a GitHub workflow which is awesome!
> 
> Notice that somebody already have an unmaintened mirror there:
> https://github.com/docutils/docutils <https://github.com/docutils/docutils>
> The the migration occurs, it would be great to transfer your work there.
> 
> Then there are a lot of cleaning, get rid of the sandbox
> 
> do you know all uses of the sandbox ?
> did you see the quality of patches we get ?
> lacking everything, not even some documentation ... from the same people
> complaining the documentation of docutils is bad
> 
> ???? ah i get it some left over april jokes ... and i fell for it .... my
> bad sorry
> 
> or automigrating these as separate branches. Perhaps
> https://github.com/chrisjsewell/docutils/tree/develop/docutils <https://github.com/chrisjsewell/docutils/tree/develop/docutils> should be
> set as the new root. The web part can be placed in another repository.
> 
> What do you think?
> 
> [feature-requests:#58] <https://sourceforge.net/p/docutils/feature-requests/58/>
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Hey Eric, 

I was actually already meaning to mention to you, that you also have ownership of https://readthedocs.org/projects/docutils/ <https://readthedocs.org/projects/docutils/>
Which was 4 years outdated, but now I see there’s a recent build, so looks like you dug it back up from the grave lol

Just to note also, this message does not show up on the actual ticket thread: https://sourceforge.net/p/docutils/feature-requests/58/ <https://sourceforge.net/p/docutils/feature-requests/58/>
This is the second time I’ve seen this happen in the last few days (the other being Jeffrey’s reply) .

> On 9 Aug 2020, at 23:51, Eric Holscher <er...@er...> wrote:
> 
> Looks like I have some permissions on the GitHub docutils account. I'd be happy to give permissions to anyone who wants to maintain an official mirror.
> 
> In terms of short-term fixes, I wonder if having a GitHub mirror of docutils that accepted Pull Requests would solve a lot of the contribution issues? The core devs could continue to use SF & SVN, but git contributors would be able to use the GitHub workflow they are accustomed to. This seems like a good place to start.
> 
> Cheers,
> Eric
> 
> On Sun, Aug 9, 2020 at 2:28 PM engelbert gruber via Docutils-develop <doc...@li... <mailto:doc...@li...>> wrote:
> On Sun, 9 Aug 2020 at 21:20, Yves Chevallier no...@us... <mailto:no...@us...>
> wrote:
> 
> Wonderful ! I saw you also set a GitHub workflow which is awesome!
> 
> Notice that somebody already have an unmaintened mirror there:
> https://github.com/docutils/docutils <https://github.com/docutils/docutils>
> The the migration occurs, it would be great to transfer your work there.
> 
> Then there are a lot of cleaning, get rid of the sandbox
> 
> do you know all uses of the sandbox ?
> did you see the quality of patches we get ?
> lacking everything, not even some documentation ... from the same people
> complaining the documentation of docutils is bad
> 
> ???? ah i get it some left over april jokes ... and i fell for it .... my
> bad sorry
> 
> or automigrating these as separate branches. Perhaps
> https://github.com/chrisjsewell/docutils/tree/develop/docutils <https://github.com/chrisjsewell/docutils/tree/develop/docutils> should be
> set as the new root. The web part can be placed in another repository.
> 
> What do you think?
> 
> [feature-requests:#58] <https://sourceforge.net/p/docutils/feature-requests/58/>
> https://sourceforge.net/p/docutils/feature-requests/58/ <https://sourceforge.net/p/docutils/feature-requests/58/> Migration
> Docutils from SourceForge to Github*
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> Last Updated: Sun Aug 09, 2020 06:20 PM UTC
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> 
> Sourceforge is not really user friendly to report issues, propose
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** [feature-requests:#58] Migration Docutils from SourceForge to Github**

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+1 for migrating to GitHub. I second all the benefits mentioned above. I've been moving to GitHub myself with a larger project, and it really makes a difference.


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** [feature-requests:#58] Migration Docutils from SourceForge to Github**

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Hello there!

Is there any interest amongst the maintainers/existing contributors to move away from Sourceforge?

If folks wish to stick with Sourceforge and SVN, on principle of avoiding git because it uses hashes / proprietary software like GitHub / Microsoft owned stuff / "centralisation of open source" / something along those lines, could someone explicitly state that? (These are all things I've read on the mailing list archives for this project, but they're from a decent amount of time ago -- people are definitely entitled to changing their opinions as time passes).

I ask becase it would be good to know -- largely because I'm more than happy to leave y'all in peace if you like this platform and want to stick with it. If the migration-related concerns are about the process of the migration rather than the idea of using git + GitHub then, please say so. I'd be happy to explore see what is possible to make that happen (both in terms of my volunteered time, seeking resources to help the process, as well as exploring ways to actually make this migration happen) -- if the currently active contributors and/or David Goodger say they're interested in migrating.

I'm not gonna bother justifying why migrating to a more modern platform will be useful -- if existing contributors still need to be convinced about this today, then I think my time is better spent catering to my other OSS  responsibilities like pip and other aspects of the Sphinx ecosystem.



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** [feature-requests:#58] Migration Docutils from SourceForge to Github**

**Status:** open
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**Created:** Fri Feb 16, 2018 03:23 PM UTC by Yves Chevallier
**Last Updated:** Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:45 AM UTC
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Sourceforge is not really user friendly to report issues, propose pull-request and contribute to the project. I would like to know if it is possible to migrate Docutils to GitHub. 


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I have not contributed to Docutils, apart from some bug reports, but I
have worked on most scientific Python projects, and have several of my
own.

The collaboration features of Git / Github (or Gitlab, or whatever)
are vastly superior to the SVN / Sourceforge equivalents, and this has
obvious consequences in terms of:

* Increased quality of community engagement
* Size of the developer community.

I'd like to emphasize the first.  It may not be obvious, but my
experience is that - the clunkier and more inconvenient the tools, the
lower the quality of the work.   It's just because the person doing
the work is spending more time fighting with the tools, and has
consequently less thought time to devote to the quality of the code
and their understanding of the code.   By analogy, think what kind of
code you would get if you forced your users to edit the code in
Microsoft Word.

Dear docutils developers, I'm bringing this up one final time because docutils is a very important project to the python ecosystem and because I care a lot about it's documentation infrastructure. I strongly believe that migrating would make work for maintainers and people wanting to contribute easier. (You don't have to follow that opinion, but it's the motivation why people bring this up again and again).

To resolve the issue once and for all, I'd like to draw the attention back to the simple question by @Pradyon Gedam:

> Is there any interest amongst the maintainers/existing contributors to move away from Sourceforge?

**If there is no interest, please state this very clearly and close the topic.** Otherwise people will bring up the topic again and again. And to be clear: No interest is a legitimate choice. 
Ideally, accompany the statement with a short explanation so that people can understand your reasons. All reasons for the choice are legitimate (from sourceforge is good enough for us, over we are not interested in more community engagement/cannot handle the associated work up to we don't have the time to migrate; or anything else). 

**If moving is something you might consider,** but there are still some doubts or practical problems, I'm sure we'll find enough **people willing to help** in various ways; be it answering questions, showing how to work with other platforms, supporting the actual migration, possibly up to organizing financial sponsorhip if that should be a limiting factor. We have a strong community and can achieve much if there is interest!


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** [feature-requests:#58] Migration Docutils from SourceForge to Github**

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**Created:** Fri Feb 16, 2018 03:23 PM UTC by Yves Chevallier
**Last Updated:** Tue Oct 19, 2021 07:11 AM UTC
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I have not contributed to Docutils, apart from some bug reports, but I
have worked on most scientific Python projects, and have several of my
own.

The collaboration features of Git / Github (or Gitlab, or whatever)
are vastly superior to the SVN / Sourceforge equivalents, and this has
obvious consequences in terms of:

* Increased quality of community engagement
* Size of the developer community.

I'd like to emphasize the first.  It may not be obvious, but my
experience is that - the clunkier and more inconvenient the tools, the
lower the quality of the work.   It's just because the person doing
the work is spending more time fighting with the tools, and has
consequently less thought time to devote to the quality of the code
and their understanding of the code.   By analogy, think what kind of
code you would get if you forced your users to edit the code in
Microsoft Word.


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** [feature-requests:#58] Migration Docutils from SourceForge to Github**

**Status:** open
**Group:** Default
**Created:** Fri Feb 16, 2018 03:23 PM UTC by Yves Chevallier
**Last Updated:** Wed Oct 06, 2021 08:28 PM UTC
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I’d note we have already been through this discussion, it seems at least once a year lol. With https://github.com/chrisjsewell/docutils I have already shown that it is really quite trivial to migrate. I get the strong impression though that the maintainers are against moving. This is absolutely their prerogative, but yeh I think the clear benefits of git vs svn are just not in question at this point

Cheers,
Chris

On 7 Oct 2021, at 13:03, Matthew Brett via Docutils-develop <doc...@li...> wrote:



I have not contributed to Docutils, apart from some bug reports, but I
have worked on most scientific Python projects, and have several of my
own.

The collaboration features of Git / Github (or Gitlab, or whatever)
are vastly superior to the SVN / Sourceforge equivalents, and this has
obvious consequences in terms of:

  *   Increased quality of community engagement
  *   Size of the developer community.

I'd like to emphasize the first. It may not be obvious, but my
experience is that - the clunkier and more inconvenient the tools, the
lower the quality of the work. It's just because the person doing
the work is spending more time fighting with the tools, and has
consequently less thought time to devote to the quality of the code
and their understanding of the code. By analogy, think what kind of
code you would get if you forced your users to edit the code in
Microsoft Word.

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Created: Fri Feb 16, 2018 03:23 PM UTC by Yves Chevallier
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Yes, I know this is a recurring thread - but I was really responding to this:

On Sun, Aug 9, 2020 at 10:28 PM engelbert gruber via Docutils-develop
<doc...@li...> wrote:
[snip]
> do you know all uses of the sandbox ?
> did you see the quality of patches we get ?
> lacking everything, not even some documentation ... from the same people
> complaining the documentation of docutils is bad

I may have misunderstood, but I took that comment to suggest that
moving to Github was a bad idea because it would encourage more poor
quality patches.  In case that was really what Engelbert meant, I was
arguing that it's the poor quality of the Sourceforge infrastructure,
and SVN, that contributes to low-quality patches.   Otherwise, it's a
bit difficult to explain why Docutils would get bad patches, when that
is not true for the various other open-source projects I'm involved
in.

I’d note we have already been through this discussion, it seems at least once a year lol. With https://github.com/chrisjsewell/docutils I have already shown that it is really quite trivial to migrate. I get the strong impression though that the maintainers are against moving. This is absolutely their prerogative, but yeh I think the clear benefits of git vs svn are just not in question at this point

Cheers,
Chris


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** [feature-requests:#58] Migration Docutils from SourceForge to Github**

**Status:** open
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**Created:** Fri Feb 16, 2018 03:23 PM UTC by Yves Chevallier
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I’d note we have already been through this discussion, it seems at least once a year lol. With https://github.com/chrisjsewell/docutils I have already shown that it is really quite trivial to migrate. I get the strong impression though that the maintainers are against moving. This is absolutely their prerogative, but yeh I think the clear benefits of git vs svn are just not in question at this point

Cheers,
Chris

On 7 Oct 2021, at 13:03, Matthew Brett via Docutils-develop <doc...@li...> wrote:



I have not contributed to Docutils, apart from some bug reports, but I
have worked on most scientific Python projects, and have several of my
own.

The collaboration features of Git / Github (or Gitlab, or whatever)
are vastly superior to the SVN / Sourceforge equivalents, and this has
obvious consequences in terms of:

  *   Increased quality of community engagement
  *   Size of the developer community.

I'd like to emphasize the first. It may not be obvious, but my
experience is that - the clunkier and more inconvenient the tools, the
lower the quality of the work. It's just because the person doing
the work is spending more time fighting with the tools, and has
consequently less thought time to devote to the quality of the code
and their understanding of the code. By analogy, think what kind of
code you would get if you forced your users to edit the code in
Microsoft Word.

________________________________

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** [feature-requests:#58] Migration Docutils from SourceForge to Github**

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**Last Updated:** Thu Oct 07, 2021 11:24 AM UTC
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Yes, I know this is a recurring thread - but I was really responding to this:

On Sun, Aug 9, 2020 at 10:28 PM engelbert gruber via Docutils-develop
<doc...@li...> wrote:
[snip]
> do you know all uses of the sandbox ?
> did you see the quality of patches we get ?
> lacking everything, not even some documentation ... from the same people
> complaining the documentation of docutils is bad

I may have misunderstood, but I took that comment to suggest that
moving to Github was a bad idea because it would encourage more poor
quality patches.  In case that was really what Engelbert meant, I was
arguing that it's the poor quality of the Sourceforge infrastructure,
and SVN, that contributes to low-quality patches.   Otherwise, it's a
bit difficult to explain why Docutils would get bad patches, when that
is not true for the various other open-source projects I'm involved
in.


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** [feature-requests:#58] Migration Docutils from SourceForge to Github**

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**Last Updated:** Thu Oct 07, 2021 11:24 AM UTC
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