Consider adding a 'header' and 'footer' role

[scottaohara]

A similar topic came up when we had been discussing hgroup and what that could map to (just a group right now), but in working on other updates to the HTML AAM spec today, I thought I'd check the temperature of the working group for roles like these. Especially since the header and footer elements are only exposed as landmarks under certain conditions, and the rest of the time these "semantic" HTML elements are no different than div elements.

Could it not be potentially beneficial to allow AT to expose something beyond a generic or group role for these elements, even if we put a stipulation that the role only be overtly exposed to the user if provided an accessible name?

Note that there are potentially similar existing roles with dpub doc-pageheader and doc-pagefooter

Edit: I should have mentioned that I am aware this is retreading an older issue - #963 - but as that was closed in 2019 before the generic concept was implemented, and now we're also working on defining minimum role to combat generics not being useful, again, maybe we should think about if we should start thinking about rethinking this maybe?

[MarioBatusic]

I think, that these HTML elements have a clear semantics not only as direct children of body element but also e.g. in the article element. So why lose this semantic putting it to generic in the accessibility tree?

[spectranaut]

This topic was discussed at todays meeting: https://www.w3.org/2023/04/20-aria-minutes#t04

But we realized we needed @scottaohara for it so we punted part way through :)

[cyns]

@domenic @mfreed7 do you have any concerns about this change to ARIA/HTML interaction?

[domenic]

No concerns from me! Please remember to send a PR updating the relevant "Accessibility considerations" links in HTML, which currently say e.g.

If there is an ancestor sectioning content element: for authors; for implementers.
Otherwise: for authors; for implementers.

[jnurthen]

Discussed at https://www.w3.org/2023/04/27-aria-minutes#t11

[domenic]

Nice! Small ping on

Please remember to send a PR updating the relevant "Accessibility considerations" links in HTML

[scottaohara]

The changes that need to be made in html aam and the aria in html specs shouldn’t need to change the links in the html spec. But if they do, I’ll be sure to make a pr to html as well.