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Di : AekB me| eis ejv hZ cvi, e_ nqQb ejB Avcbvi
mdj nIqvUv GLb mnR| KviY cw_exi cvq cwZwU mdj gvbyli
iUv e_Zv w`qB| Rgm WvBmb| fvKzqvg wKbvi bvgK h hwU
ce 2 \ mvdj

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GLb AvaywbK gvbyli Nievwo, Awdm, nvUj I Abvb vb cwivii

GK cqvRbxq DcKiY nq MQ Zvi AvweviK| gRvi evcvi njv,
G gwkbwUK h_vh_ ic `qvi AvM Rgm WvBmbK e_ nZ
nqwQjv cuvP nvRvi eviiI ewk|
Rgm PvBwQjb Ggb GKUv fvKzqvg Zwi Kieb hvZ Kvbv
evM _vKe bv| KviY evM _vKjB ayjvevwjZ AvQb nq wKQyw`bi
gaB gwkb Rvg nq hvq| cvdUv b nq hvq, dj ayjvevwj Ub
bqvi gZvUv Avi gwkbi _vK bv| G j Rgm Kvwnxbfve
KvR Ki Mjb cuvP cuvPwU eQi| MelYvq cyiv mgq `qvi Rb
PvKwiUv Qo w`jb| xi DcvRb w`qB G mgq PjZ nqQ ZvK|
cuvP eQi AbKeviB Ggb AbK cwiwwZ GmQ hvZ nvj Qo
`qvUvB wQjv ^vfvweK| wK Rgmi KvQ GUv md GKUv gwkb
Avwevi wQjv bv, GUv wQjv Zvi Rxeb|
eQi cuvPK ci gwkbUv Zwi njv wVK| wK GUvK Kbvi Rb
Kvbv KvvwbK ivwR Kivbv Mj bv| wZbwU eQi wZwb ay GK
Kvvwb _K AviK Kvvwbi `iRvq NyiQb KqKwU UvKvi
wewbgq GB fvKzqvg wKbviUvi jvBm wew Kivi Rb| wK mevB
gwkbUvi KvhgZvi cksmv KijI evRvi Pje wK bv GUv wbq
m`n cvlY KiZv| KviY evRvi mqjve nq AvQ evMIqvjv
fvKzqvg wKbvi| mLvb GiKg evMnxb GKUv fvKzqvgK Zviv
Kxfve be mUv wbqB mevi Avkv wQjv|
Aekl 1993 mvj Rgm wbRB GUvi evRviRvZKiYi D`vM
i Kijb| gv `o eQii gv_vq wWwm 01 nq DVjv evRvii
mePq ewk wewZ fvKzqvg wKbvi| Rgm ejb, h evM bv _vKvK
Gi evRvi gvi LvIqvi KviY wnme fwelvYx KiwQjv mevB, mB
evM bv _vKvUvB nq Mj Gi RbwcqZvi mePq eo KviY| Avi Avwg
mUvB RvbZvg| ZvB Zv c_gevi e_ nq Avwg hgb _g hvB wb,
Zgwb 50 evi e_ nqI nZvk nB wb| nvj Qo `B wb cuvP nvRvi
evi e_ nqI| KviY Avwg RvbZvgGjv e_Zv bq, eis G njv
GKUz GKUz Ki mdjZvi w`K Gbv|
KvRB Avcbvi nZvk nIqvi wKQy bB| Avcbvi e_Zvjv Avmj
Avcbvi mvdji c_iB GKKwU avc|
16

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

gbQwe \

gbQwe Kx? Kxfve KvR Ki?

ck : gbQwe Avmj Kx?
Di : gbQwe gbi c`vq Mfxi wekvm Avi GKvM gbvhvM jvwjZ
mvdji Qwe| A_vr Avcwb hv nZ Pvb ev cZ Pvb Zv c_gZ PvIqv,
cvev ej wekvm Kiv Ges cvwQ ej Abyfe Kivi bvg gbQwe|
BwZnvm mdj gvbyliv KLbvB weivRgvb AevK gb wbZ cvib
wb, Abi mvdj `L wewZ nb wb; eis wekvm KiQb h weq
mw Kivi kw Zvi wbRi gaB iqQ| cwieZbi gvMZ ^c
Zv`i ciYv hywMqQ Rxeb e`jvZ, bZzb eveZv MoZ| mPZb ev
AePZbfve Zviv Avmj gbQweB KiQb| ay Avkv bq, gbQwe njv
wekvm I Kg jvwjZ fwelZi eveZv| cvwL hgb Zvi Me
cuQvq Wvbvq fi Ki, gvbylI mvdji wkLi cuQvq gbQwei Wvbv
gj w`q| G cm GKwU HwZnvwmK NUbvK DZ Kiv hZ cvi
1903 mvji 17 wWm^i, ejv 10Uv| cw_exi BwZnvm c_gevii
gZv evZvmi Pq fvix kwPvwjZ GK hvb wbq gvbyl mdjfve
AvKvk Dojv, nvRvi eQi ai hv wQjv ay GK Ame Kbv| Avi
Zv Kijb `yB fvBDBjevi ivBU Ges Aiwfj ivBU|
gRvi evcvi njv, Zviv KD wK Kvbv wevbx wQjb bv|
wekwe`vjq _K A, c`v_wevb ev GivbwUKj Bwwbqvwisq
Zv`i Kvbv DPZi wWwM wQjv bv, GgbwK nvBzji MwI Zviv
civb wb| WUbi `yRb evBmvBKj wgw Kx Ki GB AmeK me
Kijb? GK K_vq Zvi DigbQwe|
QvUejvq evevi Gb `qv GKwU Do Ljbv _KB `yB fvBqi
gv_vq c_g Do hvIqvi wPv RvM| Zvici eQii ci eQi ai
MelYv, Pv, e_Zvi ci Zviv jvf Kib G mvdj| Gici Avcwb
hLb Kvbv wegvb Poeb ev gv_vi Ici w`q wegvb Do hZ
`Leb, Avcwb Abyfe Kivi Pv Kieb KZ mvaviY GKwU fvebv
_KB bv G eveZvi i nqwQjv| KviY gb hv fveZ cvi, hv
wekvm KiZ cvi; Zv ARb KiZ cvi| GLvbB gbQwei kw|
ce 2 \ mvdj

17

ck : gbQwe Kxfve KvR Ki?

Di : gbQwe MwZ cvq Kbvi kwZ| KvR Ki MvBWW wgmvBji
gZv| Avmj mvdj I AvZ Dbqbi g~j m~ nQ Avcwb eve hv
nZ Pvb c_g Kbvq Zv nvb| Kb? JcbvwmK K~U fbMvUi
fvlvq, Avgiv wbR`i mK hv Kbv Kwi Avgiv Avmj Zv-B|
gwi fvlv nQ Qwe ev BgR| Avgv`i wPv cavbZ Avgv`i gbi
c`vq cwZdwjZ Qwejvi wek-lY gv| Avgiv Avgv`i wbR`i I
cvwicvwkKZv mK h Qwe gb gb AuvwK Zv Avgv`i Abyf~wZ,
AvPiY I KgZrciZvK cfvweZ Ki| dj gb gb wbRi h Qwe
AuvwK, axi axi Avgiv ZvZB cwiYZ nB|
Avgiv hLb GKvM Kbvq Avgv`i ji Qwe gb Mu_ dwj
ZLb Zv eb I bvfvm wmgK ^qswqfve j ARbi c_
cwiPvwjZ Ki| AbKUv ^-wbqwZ wgmvBji (self guided missile)
gZv| GB wgmvBji UvMU AvM _K wbavwiZ _vK| Gi Kvbv
w`K-wb`kbvi cqvRb nq bv| GwU wbRi c_ GwMq Pj Ges
BwZevPK wdWevK viv (A_vr h wdWevK ejQ m mwVK c_ AvQ
mB wdWevK viv) cfvweZ nq bv|
wK hLbB m Zvi jc_ _K wePyZ nZ i Ki ZLbB m
cv bZzb Z_ viv cfvweZ nq| A_vr wgmvBji MvBW wmg hLb
Lei cjv h, m wbw` MwZc_ _K evgw`K mi MQ, ZLb Gi
c_-mskvabx h ^qswqfve GK Wvbw`K cwiPvwjZ Ki|
Wvbw`K hZ wMq hw` Avevi ewk Wvb Pj hvq, Zvnj Avevi Zv
evgw`K MwZ cwieZb Ki| cwZwbqZ fyj mskvab KiZ KiZ
wgmvBjwU mvgb AMmi nq Ges GKmgq jeZ AvNvZ nvb|
gbQweI KvR Ki GKB cwqvq| gbQwei gvag ji Qwe
AePZb gb ewmq w`j gb ^qswqfve m j cuQvi Rb Zvi
mKj kwK wbqvM Kie| w`evwbwk KvR Ki hve| cqvRb c_
mskvab Kie| cqvRb Avcbvi `wfwK cv `e| Aviv wPv
MelYvq AvcbvK wbqvwRZ Kie| `y`gbxq AvMn I D`g mw
Kie| wbw` Me cuQvi Rb hv hv Kiv `iKvi Zv Kivi Rb
fZi GKUv Zvobv mw Kie| AvcbvK wbq hve jcvb| GKwU
18

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

cvPxb Mi ga w`q G welqwU Aviv fvjvfve evSv hve|

Zzii Bv^yji mgy`cvii ZuvwZKbv dvwZgvQvUejv _KB
Zvi ^c wQjv m ivRivbx ne, Zvi HkhK m eq Kie `yewZ`i KjvY| GK Mwie ZuvwZKbvi Zzjbvq ^cUv AbK eo
ewK| wK mvivw`b Kvco eybZ eybZ m G ^cB `L| Aekl
Zvi cxovcxwoZ eva nq evev ZvK wbq mgy`c_ hvv Kijb|
Me wgkii AvjKRvw`qv| cw_ga Soi Kej co bKvWywe
njv| dvwZgv nvwiq Mj Zvi evevi KvQ _K| mgy`Zxi GK e
Rj ZvK cq wbq Mj wbRi evwoZ| mLvb dvwZgv wkLjv
`wo cvwKq Rvj eybZ|
wKQyw`b ci Avevi Zvi Rxeb bg Gjv `ywecvK| Rj`myiv ZvK
AcniY Ki wew Kijv emivi GK mI`vMii KvQ xZ`vmx
wnme| mI`vMii wQjv Rvfv _K KvV Avg`vwb Ki bKv
evbvbvi eemv| mLvb m Avq Kijv KvV PivB Avi gvj
evbvbvi cwqv| BZvga KqKevi RvnvRWyweZ mI`vMii ek
qwZ njv, jvKRb ZvK Qo Pj Mj| ZLb eywgZx I wek
dvwZgv gwbei cvk `uvovjv| gwbe Zvi AvwiKZvq gy nq ZvK
eemvq Askx`vi Kijb| dvwZgv KvV AvbZ mgy` c_ Rvfvi
Dk iIbv njv| wK Avevi So, AveviI wbik fm hvIqv|
Gevi dvwZgv wMq cojv Pxb `k| vb wdi m `Ljv,
gnvmgvivn ZvK wbq hvIqv nQ ivRcvmv`|
NUbv wQjv GiKgPxb`ki ivRcyi weq mK ivR-RvwZlx
fwelvYx KiwQjb h, ney Kb c~wYgvi ivZ mgy` _K Avme, hvi
fvlv, Pnviv ne Avjv`v Ges m Zuvey evbvZ cvie| cvwicvwkK me
wgj Mj| Gevi Zuvey evbvZ ne| dvwZgv bg cojv Zuvey evbvZ|
Kvco evbvi AwfZv _K Kvco evbvjv| Rvj evbvbvi AwfZv
_K `wo evbvjv| Avi gvj evbvbvi AwfZv _K evbvjv Zuveyi
LuywU| Zuvey Zwi njv| ivRv wbwZ njb GB m gq| c~iY njv
dvwZgvi AvRb jvwjZ ^c|
Avmj GUvB gbQwe| GwMq Pj GiKg Rxebevcx| Rxebi bvbv
NUbv, euvKjvZ cv-GKwUf _K GKvM wekvm bxie KvR Ki
MjB Avm P~ov mvdj|
ce 2 \ mvdj

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ck : j ARbi Rb `p BQvkwB wK h_ bq? Gi Rb em

em Kbv Kivi cqvRb AvQ wK?
Di : bj nqZv AevK jvMZ cvi| wK eve mZ nQ, Kbv
I BQvi ga msNvZ nj BQv civwRZ nq| Kbv Rqx nq|
Avmj hZB BQvkw _vKzK gbi mv_ Rvi Ki cviv hvq bv|
hiKg AbK cyil AvQb, KZevi BQv KiQb a~gcvb Qvoeb|
gbK cfvweZ KiZ cvib wb, Dy KiZ cvib wb, a~gcvbI QvoZ
cvib wb| hZevi QoQb ZZevi aiQb| GUv cavbZ Kbvkwi
mv_ BQvi i KviY| wK hw` gb _K wRwbmUv AvmZv, gbK
hw` Dy KiZ cviZb h, GB KviY Avgvi a~gcvb Kiv DwPZ
bvgbi gb, ZzB Avgvi K_v kvbZvnj a~gcvb QvoZ cviZb|
gbi ^fve Avi Mvavi ^fve GKB iKg| Mvavi Mjvq iwk w`q
Avcwb ZvK hw`K Uvbeb mw`K m hve bv| Avcwb c~ew`K
Uvbb, m Ab mew`K hve wK c~ew`K wKQyZB hve bv| hLb
Avcwb hw`K gbvhvM w`Z Pvb, gb mUv Qvov Ab me evcvi
gbvhvMx nq IV| AZGe, gbK w`q hLb Avcwb KvR KivZ Pvb
ZLb Rvi KiZ hveb bv|
MvavK w`q KvR Kivbvi mePq fvjv Dcvq nQ Zvi mvgb
GKUv gyjv Szwjq `qv| gyjv hw`K hZ _vKe MvavI mw`K hZ
_vKe| UvbvUvwbi Kvbv cqvRb bB| GKBfve gbi mvgb GKUv
gyjv Szwjq w`Z ne Ges GB gyjvUv nQ gbQwe| GB QweUv nQ
Zvgvi j, GUv ZvgvK cZ ne| cw_exZ AvR ch hZ gvbyl
mdj nqQb, mevi mvgbB GB gyjv A_vr ^c wQjv| hyw Ges
vbi Pq ^c Ges Kbv AbK AbK ewk kwkvjx| ^c Ges
KbvB mfZvK GwMq wbq GmQ|
ck : gbQwe Avi Ajm Kbvi ga cv_K Kx?
Di : gbQwe nQ hv Avcwb wekvm Kib| hiKg 1952 mvj Avgiv
wekvm KiwQjvg ivfvlv evsjv ne| hw` wekvm bv KiZvg, Rxeb
w`Z cviZvg bv| ivfvlv evsjvGUv nQ gbQwe| Avi AvKvk Kzmyg
Kbv ev Ajm Kbv nQ mB Mvqvwjbxi wPvi gZv| `yai Nov
20

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

gv_vq wbq evRvi hZ hZ m Wye Mj Ajm Kbvq| fveZ

jvMjv `ya wew Ki gyiwM wKbe, gyiwM Kbvi ci gyiwMi evPv ne|
evPv wew Ki QvMj wKbe| QvMji evPv ne| QvMji evPv wew
Ki Mi wKbe| GB Ki m AbK mwi gvwjK ne| Zvici
ivRvi Qj ZvK weqi cve cvVve| Kbvi G chvq m gv_v bo
ej DVjv bwn Kiv! A_vr m ivwR bq| h-B gv_v boQ`yai
Nov co wMq NovI fvOjv, `yaI Movjv gvwUZ| GUv nQ AvKvkKzmyg Kbv hLvb wekvm bB, hv KvRi ciYv mw Ki bv, hv
eveZvK Gwoq hvIqvi GKwU Ajm gvag gv|
ck : Avcbvi c`wkZ c_ Avgvi Rxebi Avg~j cwieZb KiQ, Avgvi
KZZv MnY Kib| AjxK Kbv I gbQwei ga cv_K Kx AbyMn
Ki evLv Kieb| gbQwe Kivi Avgiv AbK mgq AbK eo
eo jK gbQwe awi, hv AbK mgq AjxK KbvI nZ cvi|
AjxK Kbv I gbQwe cvkvcvwk evLv Kij AbK cki Di cq
hZvg| gbQwei mv_ wK hw` kwU hy Kij Zv AjxK ^c nq
hve? eZgvb Avgvi Mvwo qi mvg_ bB| hw` Mvwo qi ^c
`wL Ze mUv AjxK Kbv ne wK bv|
Di : eySZ cviwQ h, KvbUv AjxK Kbv Avi KvbUv gbQwe eySZ
Amyweav nQ| Avmj GKUv nQ Aeve, AviKUv nQ AvcvZ
Ame wK me| hgb AZxZK cwieZb Kivi wPv Aeve, `wi`
cwievi RbMnY bv Ki Avwg hw` ivRvi Ni Rb wbZvgG aibi
wPv Aeve| Avevi Avwg hw` cwmWU nZvgGB wPvI AjxK
Kbv, KviY Avcwb cwmWU bb|
wK Avwg cwmWU nevGB wPv AjxK Kbv bq, GUv fwelr|
Avi eZgvbi mv_ fwelZi Kvbv msNl bB| eis wekvm wbq
Avcwb hLb Kbv KiQb Avcwb cwmWU nq MQb, ZLb mUv nq
hvQ gbQwe| A_vr Avcwb wVKB aiQb AjxK KbvK kbv Kivi
GKwU Dcvq nQ hw` kwU|
Avi GKUv Mvwo wK Lye eo Kvbv PvIqv? gvUB bv| evsjv`k
KqK j Mvwo AvQ| hv KqK j gvbyl KiZ ciQ mUv Avcwb
ce 2 \ mvdj

21

Kb KiZ cvieb bv? Ze Avcwb hw` ay Kbv Kib h, Avgvi hw`

GKUv Mvwo nZvZvnj Avwg Kx my`i WvBf KiZvgGUv nQ AjxK
Kbv| Avi Avgvi Mvwo Avwg my`i WvBf KiwQ ...G nQ gbQwe|
ck : AUvmvRkbB wK gbQwe? AUvmvRkb, cZqb Ges gbQweGB
wZbwUi ga cv_K Kx?
Di : aib, Avcwb wekvm Kib bv h, Avcwb mvnmx| wekvm bv KiB
ejQb, Avwg mvnmx, Avwg mvnmx, Avwg mvnmx, GwU nQ
AUvmvRkb| Avevi hLb wekvm Ki ejQb h, Avwg mvnmx, Avwg
mvnmx, GUv nQ cZqb| A_vr hLb K_v, evK, k ev gmRi
mv_ wekvm hvM KiQb ZLb GUv nQ cZqb| Avevi Avcwb mvnmx
nj AvcbvK hgb `LvZv mB Qwe hLb `LQb ZLb GUv njv
gbQwe| Avgiv ewj, cZqb nQ AwWI, gbQwe nQ wfwWI|

j Kx ne
ck : ckvMZ mvdjK Rxebi j KiZ PvB| Rxebi j
wbaviY wbq wKQy wUcm `eb `qv Ki|
Di : Avmj Rxebi j nIqv DwPZ mdj gvbyl nIqv| mvaviYfve
Avgv`i Rxebi j nQ Wvvi, Bwwbqvi nIqv, wmwfj mvwfm
hvIqv, eemvqx nIqv, wevbx nIqv, AavcK nIqv BZvw`| wK Gme
njB wK gvbyl nIqv hvq?
h Wvvi GKRb gvbylK Avb Ki Zvi wKWwb ei Ki wew
Ki `q, ZvK wK gvbyl ejv hvq? h Bwwbqvi cvimbURi ci
cvimbUR wbq Ggb vcbv Mo hv asmi KviY nq, ZvK wK gvbyl
ejv hvq? h mwPe wbRi `ki ^v_K wew Ki `q, ZvK wK gvbyl
ejv hvq?
h eemvqx WvMm, g` wew Ki, gvbyli Rxeb asmKvix wRwbm
wew Ki ZvK wK gvbyl ejv hvq? h AwfbZv-Awfbx wZKi
cYi wevcb gWj nq ZvK wK gvbyl ejv hvq? h wevbx gvbyl
22

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

nZvi Rb gviYv Zwi Ki ZvK wK gvbyl ejv hvq? h wkKi

nvZ Zvi Qvxi mg b nq ZvK wK gvbyl ejv hvq?
hw` we`v viv Avgiv AvjvwKZ nZvg Zvnj Rxebi j nZv
Abb gvbyl nIqv| c_g AvgvK gvbyl nZ ne| gvbyl nZ nj Zvi
j ne mwi mev Kiv, RweK jvjmv PwiZv_ Kiv bq| Avi mwi
mevi Rb cqvRb gavi weKvk|
Avi ckv nQ gavK weKwkZ Kivi gvag| AvgvK Avgvi gav
weKwkZ KiZ ne mwi mevg mev Kivi Rb, Rxebi j GUvB
nIqv DwPZ| A_, we, LvwZmeB Avme evB-cvWv wnme| KviY
mev c`vb Kij cKwZi wbqgB Gme cwZ`vb wnme Avme| ckv
j ARbi GKwU gvag A_vr Dcj| wK Awe`vi KviY GLb
DcjjvB Avgv`i j nq MQ|
ck : Kvb KvRi gvag Rxeb P~ov mv_KZv AwRZ nZ cvi? hvi
dj Avgiv cvev Ab ckvw?
Di : Avmj wbRK AvjvwKZ Kivi KvR, wbRK Awe`v nZ gy
Kivi KvRGi Pq fvjv KvR Avi wKQy nZ cvi ej Avgvi Rvbv
bB| wbRK AvjvwKZ gvbylic Mo Zzjj Avcwb Avcbvi euP
_vKvi KviY eySZ cvieb| hLb Avcwb eySZ cvieb Avcwb Kb
euP _vKeb, Kb KvR Kieb, ZLbB Avcwb Ab ckvw cveb|
ck : Rxeb c_g nIqv Ges Abb gvbyl nIqv`yUv wK GKB? Rxeb
c_g whwb neb Zvi gvS Kx Kx Yvewj _vKe? hviv cw_exZ
wbR`i mdj KiQb ZvivB wK Rxeb c_g?
Di : Rxeb c_g nIqv GKwU mvweK mvdji bvg| Rxeb c_g
nIqv Avi Abb gvbyl nIqv GKB| whwb mvi mwi Rb Zvi
gavK mePq my`ifve weKwkZ KiQb Avi Zv KvR jvwMqQb
mwi KjvY, nqQb vb Avi cvPzhi Avavi Avi nvRvi gvbyli
Avkqj| wZwbB Rxeb c_g, wZwbB Abb gvbyl|
Rxeb c_g whwb, Zvi Kvbv nZvkv ev AZw _vKZ cvi bv|
Abb gvbyl wbR Z, kvKiMvRvi| Zwi Rb, kvwi Rb Zvi
ce 2 \ mvdj

23

KvQ nvRviv gvbyl QyU Avm| wZwb nvRviv gvbyli fimvj|

KvRB whwb cw_exZ wbRK ckvq mdj KiQb, LvwZgvb
nqQb, weevb nqQb Zvi fZi hw` nZvkv _vK, `ytL _vK Ges
wZwb hw` Z bv nb, Zvnj wZwb Abb gvbyl nZ cvib wb| hgb,
AbK wkKviLvbvi gvwjK iqQb, Zv`i AbK mw AvQ, AbK
KgPvix AvQ, wK Zviv wK mB KgPvix`i Avkqj nZ ciQb?
AwaKvsk B cvib wb| mB KgPvixivB Zvi gZyZ gb gb
Avbw`Z nq h, GKw`b QywU cvIqv Mj| A_vr Rxeb c_g ejZ
Avcwb hw` ay elwqK mvdj evSb Zvnj Rxeb c_g Avi Abb
gvbyl GK bq|
ck : Rxebi j wVK KiZ cviwQ bv, GKKevi GKKUv gb
nQ| Kx Kiev?
Di : AvM gbK ckv KiZ ne| hZY ch Avcbvi gb ckv
bv nQ Avcwb j wi KiZ cvieb bv| h KviY Avgv`i c_g
PvIqv nQ ckvw| gb ckv nj Avcbvi AMZ mv Avcbvi ga
wekvm mvwiZ Kie| ZLb Avcwb j wbaviY KiZ cvieb|
GRb wbqwgZ gwWUkb Kib, gbmvabv A_vr KvqvUvqb
Kib, mNi mv_ GKvZ _vKzb| fvjv KvR hZ wbRK mswk-
Kieb gbi AwiZv ZZ KgZ _vKe Ges j wi Kiv mnR ne|

gbQweZ Kx `Lev \ Kxfve `Lev

ck : gbQwei gwWUkbi cwqv `qv Ki Rvbveb|
Di : aib, Avcwb PvKwii Rb gbQwe KiZ Pvb| G Avcwb
Gfve PPv KiZ cvib :
wbqggvwdK gbi evwoi `ievi K hvb| Gevi gbQwe `Lyb|
LuywUbvwUmn cwic~Y `k Zzj aib GKevi wfwWI Qwei gZv| `Lyb,
Avcwb Lye vUfve webqi mv_ KgKZvi KvQ PvKwii Ave`bc
w`qQb| wZwb Ave`bc Dcv `L ci Avmvi Rb ejjb|
24

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Avcwb ci wMq Rvbjb h, AvcbvK BUviwfD evWi mvgb nvwRi

nZ ne| wbw` w`b BUviwfD evWi mvgb Avcwb nvwRi|
mevB AvcbvK `L Drdzj- nqQb| mevi cki mwVK Reve
w`Qb Avcwb| KgKZviv wbR`i ga AvjvPbv Ki Avcbvi
evcviB wmv wbqQb| Zv`i wb`k Avcbvi Rb wbqvMc
UvBc Kiv nQ| c`KZv wbqvMc mB KiQb| wbqvMc Avcbvi
bvg cvVvbv nQ| Avcwb evmvq wbqvMc cqB Avb` DQwmZ
nq DVQb| AvcbRbiv AvcbvK Awfbw`Z KiQ| Avcwb
wbqvMc wbq Awdm wMqQb| KvR hvM`vb KiQb| Avcbvi
Rb wbavwiZ Pqvi-Uwej wMq emQb| Avcbvi Rb wbavwiZ KvR
eyS wbQb| cwic~Y Zwi mv_ KvR KiZ i KiQb| Gfve
Avcbvi h j Zv c~iY nevi `k LyuwUbvwUmn `Lyb|
cyiv QweUv AvcbvK mKj Bw`qhvM Abyfe KiZ ne| eve
PvKwi cj Avcbvi ga h Abyf~wZ nZv, gbQwe `Lvi mgq wbRi
ga m Abyf~wZjv cyivcywi wbq Avmyb| PvKwi cvIqvi ci gv-evev
fvB-evbi gyL Avb`i Abyf~wZ `Lj Avcbvi ga h fvei D`q
nZv, cyivcywi m fve wbq Avmyb| wcqRbiv wgwgyL Kivj Avcbvi
ga h Abyf~wZ AvmZv, Zv-I m Kib Abvb Bw`qi Abyf~wZi
mv_| PvKwi cvIqvq ezeve`i ga Avcbvi ghv`v hfve eo
hZ, Zv Abyf~wZi mv_ cwic~Yfve wgwkq w`b| NUbvi mv_
Bw`qjvK Ggbfve m Ki djyb, hb Avcbvi AePZb gb
cyiv NUbvKB eve ej gb Ki|
Avmj AePZb gb eve I Kbvi ga Kvbv cv_K KiZ
cvi bv| mRb Avgiv wmbgvq Kvbv weqvMv ev KiY `k `L
Ku` dwj ev Kvbv DRK `k `L DwRZ nq DwV| hw`I Rvwb
h, Avgiv Awfbq `LwQ gv| ZvB eKviZ Aemvb wbRi h ic
Avcwb `LZ Pvb, m QweK `q I Bw`q cyivcywi Mu_ djyb|
Avcwb h PvKwi cq MQb, GUvB memgq gb KiZ _vKzb| RvMZ
AevqI Avcwb GKRb PvKwiRxexi gZv AvPvi-AvPiY Kib| eve
fvb Kib Avcwb PvKwi cq MQb, PvKwii eZb cq Kx Kx
KiQb, Zv-I Kbvi PvL `LZ _vKzb| memgq c~Y Abyfe I
GKvZZvi mv_ PvKwi cvIqvi gbQwe `Lyb| c~Y wekvm I wbqZvi
ce 2 \ mvdj

25

mv_ gbQwe `Lyb| avc

AvcbvK ej `e|
cwZw`b wbqwgZ GB
MvdjwZK ckq `eb
AUvmvRkbmn Abykxjb
Rb mgqi evcvi gv|

avc Kx Kieb Avcbvi AePZb gbB Zv

Abykxjb Ki hvb| KLbvB Avjm I
bv| gbi evwoZ wbRK `qv mKj
Ki hvb| eve PvKwi cvIqvUv Avcbvi

ck : Avwg `ki Rb eo wKQz KiZ PvB| cvkvcvwk my`i cvwievwiK

Rxeb PvB| Avwg GLbv Rvwb bv Kvb c_ Avwg j cuQev| ay
j cuQ MwQ Gic gbQwe `LwQ| Avgvi gbQwe wK nQ?
Di : Avmj gbQwe PPvi Rb j wbw` KivB h_, Kvb c_
j cuQeb Zvi mPZb evLv-wek-lYi cqvRb bB| AePZb
gb Avjv`xbi `Z, Avcbvi `qv gbQwei eve icvqY Kgm~wP wVK
Kivi fvi Avcwb wbw gb Zvi Ici Qo w`Z cvib| gbQweK
gbi Mfxi Mu_ w`Z cvij AePZb gbB AvcbvK ej `e Kvb
c_ cuQeb| Avmj c_ bvgj c_B c_ `Lvq| c_g c`c
wbj wZxq c`c Kx nIqv DwPZ Avcwb wbRB Zv eySZ cvieb|
cZvwkZ cvq nvK, AcZvwkZ cvq nvK j Avcwb cuQvebB|
ck : gbQwe wK eZgvb `Lev, bvwK fwelZ `Lev? Kxfve Kbv
KiZ ne D`vniY w`q eywSq w`b|
Di : Avmj gbQwe `Lvi mgq Avcbvi gbQwe h mgq evevwqZ
nZ cvi, mB mgqKvj AvcbvK Pj hZ ne| mB Aevq wMq
wbRK `LZ ne h, I have achieved. A_vr gbQweZ fwelrUvB
eZgvb nq hve|
KviY j wbq wPv Kij Zv mvebvic weivR Ki, Avi
jj _K wPv Kij eveic cvq| jj _K wbw
wPvZi mvdjK Pz^Ki gZv AvKlY Ki| Avcwb hw` gbQweZ
AejvKb KiZ cvib h, Avcwb cwmWU nq MQb, ZLb eve
cwmWU nj Avcbvi h Abyf~wZ nZv, h AbyiYb nZv, Avcbvi
26

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

ga mB AbyiYb mw ne| mvdji GB AbyiYb ZLb eve

mvdjK Avcbvi w`K AvK Kie| GUvB gbQwei mvdji
PvwjKvkw| AZGe gbQweZ fwelrKB eZgvb wnme `LZ ne|
ck : Avwg wgDwRwkqvb nZ PvB| Kxfve gbQwe Zwi Kiev?
Di : GUv Zv Lye PgrKvi| `Leb jvL jvL wmwW ewiqQ|
jvKRb jvBb ai wKbQ, wUwfZ mUvi Ici Abyvb nQ|
wWqvg Abyvb nQ| j j `kK kvZv mevB evnev w`Q,
nvZZvwj w`Q|
ck : cixvi AvM I ci Kx iKg gbQwe `Lev?
Di : cixvi mgq gbQwei PqI AUvmvRkb ewk KvhKix|
AUvmvRkb eBZ jLvcovq gbvhvM, wZ, Vvv gv_vq cixv `qv
BZvw` bvbviKg welq PgrKvi AUvmvRkb AvQ| Avcbvi cQ` I
cqvRb Abymvi hKvbvwU eQ wbZ cvib|
ck : RbwcqZv ARb ev fvU msMni Rb Kxfve gbQwe `Lev?
Di : GUv wK ej `qvi cqvRb AvQ? `Lyb, Avcwb weivU gvV
eZv KiQb Avi mevB nvZZvwj w`Q| gvjv w`Q| fvUi w`b
mevB fvU K` Gm fvU w`q Pj hvQ| Avcwb wbevwPZ nqQb|
mevB AvcbvK Awfb`b RvbvQ|
ck : gwWUkb Avgvi gbQwe `LvUv KxiKg ne? gbi evwoi `ievi
K em `LwQ, bv H Aevq Pj MwQ?
Di : hZY gbQwe `Leb, ZZY Avcwb gbQwei cwigjB
wbRK AejvKb Kieb, mUv Kvbv WBsig nvK ev Awdm ig
nvK ev Lvjv gvV nvK| gbQwe `Lv kl nj Avevi gbi evwoi
`ievi K wbRK Abyfe Kieb|
ce 2 \ mvdj

27

ck : gbQwe Kxfve `Lev? hw` PvKwii gbQwei Avwg `wL,

fvBfv evW wbevPKiv hv ck KiQb Zv-B cviwQ| Avwg ZLb eve
Avgvi nvZ-cv, `n hgb `wL wK Avgvi gyLi cQbi Ask `wL
bv, fvBfv evW hviv _vKb Zv`iK `wL|
Di : wVK AvQ|
ck : gbQweZ Avwg Kvbv NUbv NUvwQ bv eis NUbvi QweK
^Zt~Zfve AvmZ w`wQ| welqwU fvjv Ki eySZ cvwi wb|
Di : Avmj welqwU mnR| Gi A_ nQ Rvi Ki QweK Avbvi
Pv bv Kiv| AbK mgq Avgiv Rvi Ki GKUv welq `LZ PvB|
Qwe AvmQ bv Kb, AvmZB ne| bvK-gyL KzuPK hvq| GUv bv Ki
^vfvweK ^Zt~Z _vKeb| cZvkv KiZ _vKzb| Qwei Kbv KiZ
_vKzb| Qwe ^Zt~Zfve Pj Avme|
ck : gbQwe fwelZi KZ`~i ch mgqi nIqv fvjv?
Di : gbQwe hZ `~iiB nvK Kvbv Amyweav bB| mePq fvjv
njv Avcbvi Rxebi P~ov jK wbq gbQwe Kiv| KviY gaeZx
avcjv cvi bv nq Zv Avcwb P~ov j cuQZ cvieb bv| P~ov
ji Qwe hw` AePZb _vK, AePZb gbB ZLb ej `e gaeZx
avcjv Avcwb Kxfve cvi neb|
aib, Avcwb meRbkq GKRb wPwKrmK nZ Pvb| wPwKrmK
nZ nj AvcbvK GgwbZB GmGmwm, GBPGmwmZ fvjv iRv
KiZ ne, gwWKj fwZ cixvq DxY nZ ne| KvRB Avcwb
hw` wPwKrmK nIqvi gbQwe `Lb, Zvnj GB cZKwU avc
^Zt~ZfveB Avcbvi gb AvmZ _vKe| hgb Avcwb kxlvbxq
meRbkq GKRb wPwKrmK nqQb, ivMxiv AvcbvK Avkqj
MY KiQ, Avcbvi Rb cvYfi `vqv KiQ, Avcwb me RvqMvq
mvwbZ nQb...| GB QweK gb Mu_ djyb| gaeZx avcjv
^Zt~ZfveB Avme|
28

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

GKvwaK welq gbQwe

ck : gbQweZ Kx Kx welq AvmZ cvi? ewMZ Rxeb ev cvwievwiK
Rxeb ev we`k gY wbq Kxfve gbQwe Kiev?
Di : ewMZ Rxeb, cvwievwiK Rxeb, we`k gY, cwZvb
cwiPvjbvmewKQy wbqB gbQwe KiZ cvib| cwZwU B hv nZ
Pvb, gbQweZ `Leb Zv nq MQb| Avi mdj nIqvi Avb`AbyiYb wbRi fZi mvi Kieb|
ck : gbQweZ cvkvcvwk `yUv j hw` wi Kwi, A_vr Avwg eemvi
cvkvcvwk hw` mdj PvKwiRxex nZ PvB Zvnj wK Amyweav ne?
Di : cvkvcvwk `yUv j wi KiZ cvib hw` ciiweivax bv
nq| Avcwb mdj PvKwiRxex Ges mdj MvqK nIqvi gbQwe GKmv_
`LZ cvib| GUv mvsNwlK bq| wK mdj eemvqx Ges mdj
PvKwiRxex `yUvB hw` Avcwb `Lb GUv mvsNwlK nq Mj| KviY G
`yUv GKmv_ nIqv me bq|
ck : Avwg wZb eQi hveZ GKwU xov msMVb cvKwUm Kwi| Avgvi
gbQwe AvcvZZ `ywU1. fvjv wKUvi nIqv| 2. jLvcov kl Ki
GKRb Kweb z nIqv| eZgvb Avwg I-jfj cowQ| GLb ck
njv, GKB mv_ wK `ywU gbQwe `Lv hve?
Di : GKB mv_ `ywU Kb, `yqi ewkI gbQwe `Lv hve| wK kZ
njv gbQwejv nZ ne cwic~iK| ciiweivax ev mvsNwlK nZ
cvie bv| wK Avcbvi gbQwejv nq MQ ciiweivax|
hgb, GKRb fvjv wKUvi nZ nj AvcbvK cyiv mgqUvB
wKUi Rb w`Z ne| cvKwUm KiZ ne, LjZ ne,
cwZhvwMZvq Ask wbZ ne Ges GKmgq ckv wnmeB wKUK
eQ wbZ ne|
Avevi Kweb-z nZ PvBj AvcbvK gvmi ewkifvM mgq
_vKZ ne wegvb, AvKvk| Zvi AvM Kweb-z nIqvi cqvRbxq
ce 2 \ mvdj

29

`Zv, Kkj i KiZ ne| RvbZ ne KvqUK m Kivi

AvU| KviY wegvb wewfb aibi hvxK mevg mev `qv LyeB
`vwqZc~Y Ges Pvjws GKwU KvR| AZGe GB wecixZgyLx gbQwe
Avcbvi gw MnY Kie bv, evevwqZ nIqv Zv cii K_v|
AvcbvK Gi ga _K hKvbv GKUvK eQ wbZ ne Ges
gbQweI `LZ ne mfve|
ck : gbQweZ GKwU welq `Lvi KvhKvwiZv wK GKvwaK welq `Lvi
Pq ewk kwkvjx ne?
Di : Avmj j hw` GKUv _vK Avi mUvi cQb Avcwb 30
wgwbU mgq eq Kib, Avi Avjv`v Avjv`v cuvPUv j wgwjq hw`
Avcwb 30 wgwbU mgq eq Kib Zvnj jcwZ Avcwb c_g
cvQb 30 wgwbU Avi wZxq cvQb Qq wgwbU| AZGe ZvZ
wKQy NvUwZ Zv neB| Ze jjv hw` cwic~iK nq ZLb wfb K_v|
ck : GKvwaK j wi wK gwWUkbi AvMB Ki bev?
Di : AekB AvM wVK Ki beb| Zv bv nj ILvb wMq GUv bv
mUv KiZ KiZB `Leb mgq cvi nq hvQ|
ck : GKvwaK gbQwe wK Avjv`vfve GKUvi ci GKUv `L hvev?
Di : Avjv`v Avjv`v bq, Avmj mePq fvjv nq GKB gbQweZ
mejv welqK wbq AvmZ cvij| A_vr PvIqv GKUvB, wK ZvZ
meB _vKe| AbKUv mB i-wkli Mi gZv|
GK wkl Zvi ii Lye mev-klv Kivq i m nq ZvK
Avkxev` Kijb| RvbZ PvBjb Zvi Ggb GKwU BQvi K_v hv wZwb
c~iY Ki `eb| Ze kZ njv, PvBZ ne Kej GKUvB, Zvi ewk
bq| wkl ZLb fwfi Rvbvjv h, Zvi PvIqv GKUvB| Avi Zv
njvAvwg mvZgnjv evwoZ mvbvi cvj q my kixi bvwZcywZ
cwiewZ Aevq Zwi mv_ gviv hZ PvB| i ZLb ejjb,
30

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

PvIqvi Zzwg Avi evwK ivLj Kx? Zvi G PvIqvi ga kvixwiK,

gvbwmK, Avw_K, cvwievwiK Ges AvwZKmeB wQjv|
Avmj PvIqvi cKwZ GUvB| ZvB gbQwe njv Avcbvi Rxebi
mejv i ji GKUv mgw^Z ic| GUv Avcwb GKmB
`LZ cvib|

KLb, KZevi, KZY

ck : Kvbv GKwU gbQwe Kij wK Zv evi evi KiZ ne?
Di : cwZw`b Kgc `yBevi gwWUwUf jfj gbQwei PPv Kieb
hZw`b ch Zv eveic bv cvq| Avi eve mvivY gbQwei mv_
GKvZ _vKeb, hLbB myhvM cvb gbQwei K_v gb Kieb|
ck : cwZevi wewfb welq gbQwe Kiv hve wK?
Di : Avmj cwZevi hw` wewfb welq gbQwe Kib Avcbvi gw
wev ne| m KvbUv Qo KvbUv evevwqZ Kie eySZ cvie bv|
AZGe GKwU ev wbw` KqKwU gbQwei PPv KiZ _vKzb hZw`b Zv
evevwqZ bv nq|
ck : gbQwe KLb `Lv fvjv? Kgv mUvi hvIqvi AvM, bv ci?
Di : Kgv mUvi hvIqvi AvM|
ck : wkw_j cwqvq wkw_jvqb gbQwei mgq gv `yB wgwbU| Avwg
RvbZ PvwQ hLb myii gvS fm eovbvi K_v ejv nq ZLbI wK
gbQwe `Lv hve?
Di : evSv hvQ gbQwe `LvUv Avcbvi Lye cQ`i| wkw_jvqb
KvmU hLb myii gvS fm eovbvi K_v ejv nq ZLb Avcwb
gbQwe KiZ cvib| PvBj myi kl nq hvIqvi ciI gbQweZ Wye
_vKZ cvib| Kvbv Amyweav bB|
ce 2 \ mvdj

31

`LZ bv cj
ck : gw Qwei fvlv fvjv evS, wK Avgvi Kvbv QweB Avm bv|
Kbv KwinQ| wK miKg Qwe GLbv cvB wb, Kx Kiev?
Di : PPv KiZ _vKzb| `Leb Avme| weklZ wmwW b^i 7-G
Kbvi gwWUkb AejvKb ev wfRyqvjvBRkb gZv ewi Rb
wKQy PPv AvQ| Gjv KiZ cvib|
ck : gbQwe `Lvi mgq Gjvgjv `k fm IV| hv wbq gbQwe
`Lev Zv Avi nq bv, Kx Kiev? GKB cZqb wK evi evi `qv hvq?
Di : Ab Gjvgjv `k Avmvi KviY Avcbvi gbvhvM wew|
ZvB gbvhvMUv K`xf~Z KiZ ne| GRb AUvmvRkb w`Z
_vKeb| Ab Gjvgjv `k Pj Gj mUvK ZIev ZIev ev evwZj
evwZj ej mwiq `eb| GKB cZqb evi eviB KiZ nehZY
ch cZqb evevwqZ bv nQ|

gbQwei mgqmxgv
ck : gbQwe evevqbi mgqmxgv Avi gv KqK gvm| Avwg wK
gvMZ KvqvUvqb KiZ _vKev? bvwK cvkvcvwk wewfb mUvi
GKmv_ wnwjs-I Pvwjq hZ _vKev| GeviB klevi| Gi AvM
wZbevi e_ nqwQ| `qv Ki mywbw` wUcm `eb|
Di : gbQwei mgq wbw` Kij Avcbvi gaB Zv Ubkb mw
Kie| Avcwb gwWUwUf jfjB hZ cvieb bv| mxwgZ mgq
j c~iYi Rb eis AUvmvRkb eenvi Kiv fvjv|
Avi wZbevi Kb e_ nqQb Zvi KviY Abymvb Kib| Avcbvi
nq cwZi Afve AvQ, bv nq AvZwekvm NvUwZ AvQ ev wbRK
Dcvcb Kivi RoZv AvQ| GB e_Zvi KviYK wPwZ Ki Zv
`~i Kivi Rb eve c`c wbb| Zv bv nj wnwjs ev `vqv
KvbvUvB KvR Kie bv|
32

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

ck : Rxebi gbQwe Zv AvQB, wK G gyn~Z Avgvi jLvcov wbq

gbQwe `LvUv Lye Riwi| Avwg AvcvZZ mUvB `Lev, bvwK Ab
gbQwe `Lev?
Di : cixvi hnZz mgqmxgv AvQ mnZz Gi Rb gbQwe bv Ki
AUvmvRkb `qv ewk KvhKi|

gbQwei hwKZv
ck : wekvm ev Avv gbQwei KZLvwb iZc~Y?
Di : gbQweZ Avcbvi 100% Avv _vKZ ne| hw` Avcwb wekvm
KiZB bv cvib Zvnj Zv gbQwe _vKe bv, AvKvkKzmyg Kbv ev
w`ev^c cwiYZ ne| gbQweK Avcbvi gw eve ej MnY Kij
ZeB Zv Avcbvi ga cwieZbi m~Pbv Kie|
ck : gwWUkbKvj gbQwei hwKZv wbq wPv Kiv hve wK?
Di : gbQwei gwWUkb Kivi mgq GUv hwK njv, bv AhwK
njv Zv wbq wPv Kiv hve bv| KviY AhwK gb KijB mUv Avi
gbQwe _vKQ bv| hwK bv AhwKG wPv KiZ ne gbQwe
Kivi AvM|
ck : gbQwe hwK I evewfwK nZ ne| Gi gvb Kx?
Di : Avmj evewfwK gbQwe nQ Ggb gbQwe hv ARb Kiv me
ej Avcwb wekvm KiZ cvib| Ab KD wekvm KiK ev bv KiK,
AvcvZ`wZ gbQwei evevqb hZB `ytmva gb nvKwKQy hvq Avm
bv| iZc~Y nQ, Avcwb GK me ej wekvm Kib wK bv|
aib, Avcwb hw` GLb wPv Kib h, luvoi Kx my`i euvKvbv wks!
wVK AvQAvwg gbQwe `wL, Avgvi gv_vq `yUv wks MwRqQ| GUv
Avcbvi gw MnY Kie bv| hw` Lye ewk gbvhvM `b mLvb `yUv
ce 2 \ mvdj

33

wUDgvi nZ cvi| wK wks ne bv KviY Avcbvi wWGbG-i cvMvg

wks bB| GUv nQ Aeve|
wKsev aib, Avcwb GKRb cywjk Awdmvi| h_ Awfhvb wMq
`Ljb h, cywjk Awdmvii Pq Avwg Awdmvii iZ ewk| Avcwb
fvejb, gwWUkb hLb wkLwQ gbQwe Ki Pxd Ae Avwg vd nev|
GUv Avcbvi gw MnY Kie bv| KviY Avcwb H cwqvq bB| wK
Avcwb Bci Rbvij Ae cywjk nevi gbQwe KiZ cvib, KviY
Avcwb cwqvi ga AvQb|
A_ev aib, Avcwb Lye mdj eemvqx| 40 eQi eqm nq MQ,
wK Avcbvi GK dvBj mwPei ILvb wMq AvUK Mj| Avcwb
eySjb h, Avcbvi AbK UvKv _vKZ cvi wK mwPei Kjg Lye
kwkvjx| fvejbmwPe nev| eemv ev` w`q gbQwe Kijb mwPe
nIqvi| GUvI Avcbvi gw MnY Kie bv|
Avevi 20 jvL UvKv FY nq MQ, 20 KvwU UvKvi gbQwe
KiQb| GUv eve| 20 jvL UvKv FY nQ Avcbvi eZgvb, 20 KvwU
UvKvi gbQwe nQ fwelr| GLvb eZgvb Ges fwelZi Kvbv
bB| hgb, Avcwb 100 KvwU UvKvi gvwjK nIqvi gbQwe KiZ
cvib| GUv AekB hwK| KviY AvRK evsjv`k 100 KvwU
UvKvi gvwjK Ggb AbK AvQb hviv Lye mvaviY Aev _K, nqZv
100 UvKv wbq hvv i KiwQjb| AZGe 100 KvwU UvKv ARb
Kvbv Aeve wKQy bq| A_vr Avcbvi gbQwe hZ eo nvK ZvZ
Kvbv Amyweav bB, wK Zv hb Aeve ev AhwK bv nq| Avcwb
wbR hb Zv me ej wekvm KiZ cvib|
Ze Gi mv_ mgq Ges myhvMi welqwUI iZc~Y| GKevi GK
`wZ Mjb fviZ gY| AvMvq NyiZ NyiZ Kv nq x AvMv
dvU-G `ievi AvghLvb gq~i wmsnvmb wQjv, GLb hLvb ay
kZcv_ii e`x, mLvb em cojb| `L Zvi ^vgx ejjb, `L,
Zvgvi fvM Lye fvjv| Zzwg 300 eQi ci RbMnY KiQv| 300
eQi AvM hw` GB e`xZ emZ PvBZ Zvnj nq Zvgvi `n _K
gv_v Avjv`v nq hZ A_ev e gvbyli `n _K gv_v Avjv`v Ki
Zvici ZvgvK GLvb Gm emZ nZv| A_vr mgqiI GKUv evcvi
_vK| Avgv`i KvQ AvRK h myhvM iqQ 100 eQi AvM RbMnY
34

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Kij GB myhvM Avgv`i mvgb _vKZv bv| AvcbvK mgq `LZ

ne, myhvM `LZ ne, cvwicvwkK cwigjUv `LZ neZvici
j wi KiZ ne|
ck : Avgvi gbQwe AvgvK Dxcbv hvMvq, ciYv `q, mvnm Ges
kw `q| Zvnj wK Avgvi gbQwe wVK AvQ? Avgvi gbQwe AvKvkcvZvj Kbv bv| Zv weUv jfj gbQwe `Lvi mv_ Kx Abyfe nevi
K_v hvZ evSv hvq h, j wVK AvQ?
Di : Avcbvi gbQwe AvcbvK Dxcbv I ciYv hvMvq, mvnm I
kw `q| Gjv gbQwe AePZb Mu_ hvIqvi jY| Avmj gbQwe
ay PvIqvi bvg bq, gbQwe njv PvIqv Ges GKB mv_ cvIqvi
cwqvq mshy nIqv| Avi cvIqvi cwqvq mshy nj PvIqv
icvwiZ nq cZvkvq| hgb, Avwg gv nevGUv GK aibi PvIqv|
wK Avwg gv nwQI am expecting a babyGUv GKUv cwqv|
gbQwei cwqvI GKB| G cwqvq hviv cek Kib Zviv gbQwei
mv_ mwZc~Y kvixwiK, gvbwmK cwieZb Abyfe Kib| Avcwb GB
cwieZbB Abyfe KiQb| Avcbvi gbQwe evevwqZ nIqv GLb mgqi
evcvi gv|
ck : Avwg eZgvb eQiwUK wbRi Rb DQvmi eQi wnme iYxq
Ki ivLZ PvB| GiB avivevwnKZvq PvB mdj Kvwiqvi MVb KiZ
Ges GKB mv_ PvB eevwnK Rxeb cek KiZ| G `yUv gbQwe
cvkvcvwk `Lv KZUzKz hywhy ne?
Di : Avcwb eevwnK Rxeb cek KiZ hvQb GwU AekB Kvbv
AhwK KvR bq| whwb PvKwi KibKvwiqvwi, wZwbI weq Kib|
`yUv Avjv`v welq| Kvwiqvi Ges eevwnK Rxeb`yUvi gbQwe GK
`LZ Kvbv mgmv bB eis mgqgZv `Lv fvjv| weqi wmv
wbZ nj mgqgZv bqv DwPZ| AbK wmv wbZ AbK mgq bb|
weq Kiv, bv Kiv cZKi ewMZ wmv, Ze weq Kij mgqgZv
Kieb| Avcwb hnZz gb KiQb weq Kivi Rb PjwZ eQi
Avcbvi Rb fvjv mgq, gbQwe `LZ Kvbv Amyweav bB|
ce 2 \ mvdj

35

jvbyiYb
ck : jvbyiYb welqwU Avwg fvjvfve eySZ cvwi wb, `qv Ki
eywSq ejeb wK?
Di : jvbyiYb nQAvcbvi j AwRZ nj Avcbvi ga h
Abyf~wZ nZv mB Abyf~wZ wbRi fZi _K wewKiY Kiv|
Avmj cKwZi wbqg nQ, hv Avcbvi fZi _K wewKwiZ ne
mUvB Avcbvi w`K AvK ne| KweZv wewKiY Kieb, KweZv
Avcbvi w`K AvK ne| NYv wewKiY Kieb, NYv Avcbvi w`K
AvK ne| ggZv wewKiY Kieb, ggZv Avcbvi w`K AvK ne|
mvdji Abyf~wZ wewKiY Kieb, mvdj Avcbvi w`K AvK ne|
MuvRvi Abyf~wZ wewKiY Kieb, MuvRv Avcbvi w`K AvK ne|
aib, Avcwb h MwjZ _vKb m Mwji gyLB AvQ GK cvbi
`vKvb| Avcwb cZK w`b mLvb _K cvb wKb cvb wPeyZ wPeyZ
Awdm hvb| 15 eQi ai GUvB Avcbvi cwZw`bi iwUb|
gRvi evcvi nQ, GB `vKvb h MuvRv wew nq, 15 eQi ai
cvb wKb LjI Avcwb Zv Rvbb bv| A_P w`bvRcyi _K Kvbv
GK MuvRvLviK Avcbvi MwjZ Gb Qo `b| c_gevi `vKvb
GmB m `vKvb`vii mv_ jb`b Ki dje| Kvbv fvlv jvMe
bv, PbvRvbv jvMe bv| Kb? KviY GB MuvRvLvii gv_v _K ay
GKUvB wPv wewKiY nQMuvRv Kv_vq! MuvRv Kv_vq! MuvRv Kv_vq!
Avi `vKvb`vii gv_v _K Kx eivQ? MuvRv GBLvb! MuvRv
GBLvb! MuvRv GBLvb! GKRb ay AviKRbi PvLi w`K ZvKve,
em, jb`b nq hve|
A_P Avcwb h 15 eQi ai ZvK Pbb, Avcwb ZvK wRm Ki
`Lb, MuvRv AvQ bvwK, GKUz `vI Zv| Avcbvi w`K m ZvwKq
eje MuvRv? wKmi MuvRv? MuvRv w`qv Kx Ki?Ggb fvb Kie hb
m wKQyB Rvb bv| KviY MuvRv kwU Avcbvi gyL w`q eivQ, eb
_K eivQ bv, gb _K eivQ bv| m AvcbvK `LB eySZ
cviQMuvRvi evcvi Avcwb `yB b^i jvK, Avcbvi Ab Kvbv
gZje AvQ| Avcwb MuvRvLvi bv|
36

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

A_vr Avcbvi fZi hv AbyiwYZ ne mUvB Avcbvi w`K AvK

nZ _vKe| Avcwb hw` cwmWU nZ Pvb cwmWU nj h iKg myL
myL Abyf~wZ nZv m Abyf~wZ fZi wbq AvmZ ne| cwmWUi
Pqvi emZ cvij Pnvivq h Rj-v nZv, mB Rj-v hw` GLbB
Kbvq Abyfe KiZ cvib, Zvnj Avcbvi cwmWU nIqv ay
mgqi evcvi|

mvewYK mZv
ck : gbQwei KvhKvwiZvi 4 b^i kZ nQ gbQwei mv_ mvewYK
mZv ARb, gbQwei cwZ AL gbvhvM `vb| gbQwei mv_
mvewYK mZv Kxfve ARb Kiev? AL gbvhvM Kx? Avgvi
Dk hw` nq 100 KvwU UvKvi gvwjK nIqv Zvnj Kx Ki Zvi
Ici gbvhvM `ev?
Di : mvewYK mZvi A_ kqb-^cb Avnvi-wenvi memgq
jUv PvLi mvgb _vKv| hgb, Avgv`i QvqvQwei bvqK hLb
eywoMv b`xZ bKv evBZ evBZ hvq, b`xi cvwbZ Kvi Qwe `L?
bvwqKvi Qwe| bvwqKv Avqbvq Pzj AuvPovZ AuvPovZ Kvi Qwe `L?
bvqKi Qwe| GRb `Leb Avgv`i QvqvQweZ Kvbv e_Zv bB|
KviY gbQwe GLvb Lye kwkvjx|
KvRB Avcbvi Dk hw` nq 100 KvwU UvKvi gvwjK nIqv
Zvnj AvcbvK mB gbQweB `LZ ne| `Lyb, Avcwb 100 KvwU
UvKvi gvwjK nq MQb| 100 KvwU UvKvi gvwjK nj hfve AvPiY
KiZbAvcbvi eenvi, KgcwZ hiKg nZv, miKg AvPiY
Kib| cqvRb eve GiKg GKRb abxK `L wbb h, Zvi
AvPiY-KgcwZ Kgb|
wbRK memgq 100 KvwU UvKvi gvwjK gb Kib| GUvB
mvewYK mZv| Avi AL gbvhvM nQ, 100 KvwU UvKvi
gvwjK h AvcwbGB wekvmUvK `p ivLv Ges kqb-^cb memgq H
fvebvB fvev|
ce 2 \ mvdj

37

ck : GKRb `wi` jvKi c ab-Hkhi gbQwe `L abx jvKi

gZv AvPiY Kiv Kxfve me? KviY m Zv `wi`| abxi gZv LiP
KiZ _vKj Zv Zvi mviv gvmi evRU GKw`b LiP nq hve?
Di : GLvbB nQ gRv| Avwg wbRB Avgvi mxgveZv Zwi KiwQ|
gb KiwQ, Avwg `wi`| abx nZ cviev bv| AZGe AvPiY KiwQ
Mwiei gZv| wK fe `Lyb, Avcbvi Afveeva _vKe Kb?
Avj-vni `ywbqvq Avcwb wbRK Kb mxwgZ Ki beb?
Avcwb eojvK nq MQb GB AvPiYUv evBi Kieb bv| Kieb
gb| 100 KvwU UvKv nj h `vb-LqivZ KiZb mUv Avmvi AvMB
hw` `qv i Ki `b, Zvnj fyj ne| myLvbyf~wZUv mw Kieb gb|
eojvK nj Avcbvi gb h myL AvmZv mB myLvbyf~wZ wbq Avmyb|
100 KvwU UvKvi gvwjK nj gvbyli mv_ h AvZwekvm wbq
wgkZb, mfve wgb| `Lyb A_ Kxfve Avm| A_vr cwieZb
AvmZ ne gb| gb cwieZb Gj eveZvI e`j hve|
ck : Avcwb ejjb h, gbQwei mvdji Rb c Bw`qi mshyw
NUvZ| wK Avgvi Amyweav nQ Avwg aygv avbvevq gbQwei mv_
GKvZ nB| Abmgq nZ cvwi bv ev nIqvi Rb ZvwM` Abyfe Kwi
bv| Ze wK Avwg gbQwei m GKvZ nwQ bv?
Di : c Bw`qi mejv Abyf~wZKB GK Ki eenvi KiZ
ne| Avmj AbmgqI AvcbvK ZvwM` Abyfe KiZ ne| hLbB
myhvM cvQb, mgq cvQb ZLbB wbRK gbQwei mB mdj gvbyl
wnmeB fveeb|
ck : gbi evwoZ h gbQwe KiwQ, ^cI Zv-B `LwQ| AvM Zgb
^c `LZvg bv| GLb wbqwgZ gbQwe `LwQ, mB mv_ ^cI| GUv wK
BwZevPK?
Di : AekB BwZevPK| GiKg nj Zv K_vB bB, kqb-^cb
memgq Avcbvi gbQwe| ^cI Avcwb gbQwe `LQb GRb
AvcbvK Avgiv Awfb`b RvbvwQ|
38

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

bxie KvR
ck : cvPzhi bxie KvR Kiv ejZ hv evSvbv nQ gwnjv`i
c Zv cyivcywi gvbv me nQ bv| KviY GKK cwievii cvcU
GKKiKg| gwnjv`i KiYxq Kx ne eywSq ejeb|
Di : bxie KvR gvb Mvcb KvR bq| bxie KvRi A_AnZzK
nB PB ev cPviYv wbq e bv nq eis KvR gbvwbek Kiv|
RvwZMZfve Avgiv K_v ewk ewj, wK KvR Kg Kwi| Avgiv
Avgv`i eyw KvRi Rb bv jvwMq, Lye fvjv KvR KiwQ GUv
evSvbvi Pvq eq Kwi| GRbB Avgiv GZ wcwQq AvwQ| h KvR
hZUzKz bxie Kiv hvq wVK mfveB Zv Kiv DwPZ|
weLvZ wPwkx gKeyj wd`v mb ev Gg Gd mb| cuvP/ mvZ
eQi AvMB Zvi GKKwU cBwUsqi g~j wQjv Bwqvb iwci GK
KvwU iwc| mv`v KvMR wZwb hw` ay GKUv wmMbPvi Ki w`Zb,
Zvi `vgI `uvovZv Bwqvb iwci GK jvL iwc|
GKevi cvjviqW Kvgivi mv_ cwZhvwMZv nqwQjvGKwU
Pnviv wZwb ewk `Z AuvKZ cvib, bv Kvgiv ewk `Z aviY KiZ
cvi Zv `Lvi Rb| mevBK wewZ Ki w`q mB cwZhvwMZvq
Rqx nb mb| ay wPwkx bb, PjwP wbgvZv wnmeI wZwb mdj|
A_P Gg Gd mb KvR i KiwQjb wmbgvi nvwWs A_vr wmbgvi
h eo eo cvvi, mB nvwWs cBUvii GwmmUU wnme|
Gg Gd mbi GKUv Lye weLvZ Dw iqQ h, Avgiv mwjewU
nZ PvB| Avgiv PvB h, jvKRb AvgvK RvbyK, AvgvK eySzK,
AvgvK `LyK, AvgvK m^abv w`K| AvgvK gvjv w`K| wK mwjewU
nIqvi AvM h 10/15 eQi AemwKDwiwUZ KvUvZ nq, bxie-wbRb
mvabvq KvUvZ nq Zv Avgiv PvB bv| A_vr mvdj cvPyh LvwZ cvIqvi
Rb cwZ wbZ ne| wbRK hvM I ` Ki Mo ZzjZ ne|
cPviYv ev K_vi Pq KvR ewk gbvhvMx nZ ne|
ck : Heroism ev show off hviv Ki, gvbyl Zv`iKB ewk cQ`
Ki| ZvivB mnR gbvhvMi K` Pj hvq| bxie KvR Ki nq
bv| Avwg wev|
ce 2 \ mvdj

39

Di : kv-Ad Ki gbvhvMi K` hvIqv hvq, wK Zvi vwqZ

KZY? dvbymi gZvB| dvbym ivZ Avjv Qwoq AvKvk IV| wK
wKQyY ciB wgwjq hvq| mwjewU nIqvi Rb h mvabv `iKvi,
mB mvabv hw` bv _vK, Zvnj m wbRK ai ivLZ cvi bv|
hgb, wmbgvi h bvqK-bvwqKviv `ywZbU Qwe KiB ZiY-ZiYx`i
nvU_e nq hvq, Zv`i KRbK Avgiv ci gb ivwL? MZ 30 eQi ev
MZ 10 eQiI XvwjDW ev ewjDW h bvqK-bvwqKviv GmQ Zv`i
KRbK Avgiv gb iLwQ? Zviv mvgwqK Dbv`bvi ga w`q fm
DVwQjv| Dbv`bvq hLb fvUv cojv ZvivI nvwiq Mj mvevbi
dbvi gZv| Avi GUvB kv-Ad Ges bxie mvabvi ga cv_K|
Avevi Avgv`i gywhy h mvZ Rb knx` gywhvv exik
nqQb, Zv`i KvDKB Avgiv eve `wL wb| wK Avgiv Zv`i bvg
Rvwb, Zv`iK gb iLwQ| A_P 70 mvj ev 75 mvji ga gviv
MQ Ggb mvZ Rb bvqK-bvwqKvi bvg ejZ ejj Avgiv KqRb Zv
ejZ cviev? KviY kv-Ad Ki Agi nIqv hvq bv| Agi nZ nj
bxie KvR KiZ nq, mvabv KiZ nq, AvZ`vb KiZ nq|
KvqvUvg Avgiv memgq bxie KvR Ki hvIqvi bxwZZ wekvmx|
dj cPvii Avgiv Ab`i Zzjbvq 100 fvMi GK fvMI
Zrci bB| wK ZviciI KvqvUvgi evYx `wfw e`jvb, Rxeb
e`j hve, iM Mjb Zv ni Mjb, my `n ckv gb
Kge myLx Rxeb GLb jvLv jvLv gvbyli gyL| KviY Avjv hLb
Rj ZLb mevB `L| Avi Ai Avjv Rvjvbvi Rb `iKvi bxie
KvR| KviY bxie gyn~ZjvB Rxebi k gyn~Z, mRbkxj gyn~Z|
bxie gyn~Z h wPv-fvebv-wekvm I `pZv Avm mUvB gvbylK wniv
Ki, Agi Ki|
ck : gbQwe Ab KvDK ejv hve bv Kb?
Di : Avmj Avcwb hw` GLb mevBK ejb h, Avcwb cwmWU
nZ hvQb Zvnj Kx ne? GK`j AvcbvK wekvmB Kie bv|
nvmvnvwm Kie, wUwb KvUe| nqZv Dcnvm Ki eje, H
cwmWU, hv GKKvc Pv wbq Avq| GZ Avcbvi gbvej zY ne|
40

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Avevi nqZv `Lv hve, KD KD Avcbvi K_v wmwiqvmwj wbQ|

Zviv nqZv Avcbvi wcQ jM hve hb Avcwb wKQyZB cwmWU
nZ bv cvib| `iKvi Kx LvgvLv Gme Svgjv WK Avbvi? Zvi
Pq hZw`b gbQwe evevwqZ bv nQ ZZw`b bxie KvR Ki hvb|
evevwqZ nIqvi ci mevB GgwbB Rvbe, Avcbvi ej eovbvi
cqvRb ne bv|

gbQwe cwqv
ck : Avgvi ck nQ Kx Kx Kij gbQwe c~Yv ne? eveZv m~Y
cwZKj njI wK gbQwe evevwqZ ne?
Di : gbQwei cuvPwU c~ekZ iqQ| GK, j wi KiZ ne| j
mywbw` nZ ne, my nZ ne h, Avwg cdmi nev, Avwg
abKzei nev ev Avwg cavbgx nev| A_vr hv nZ Pvb mB jK
wi KiZ ne|
`yB nQ, j Avv| jUv h hywmZ G evcvi Avcbvi
Avv _vKZ ne|
wZb nQ, jvbyiYb| j ARbi Abyf~wZ wewKiY| jUvK
eZgvb wnme `LZ ne| j AwRZ nq MQGB Abyf~wZUv
wbRi ga AvbZ ne|
Pvi nQ, j GKvZZv| j memgq GKvZ _vKZ ne|
cuvP nQ, bxie KvR| j ARbi Rb bxie KvR KiZ ne|
gbQwei G cuvPwU m~ AbymiY Ki h KD AvcvZ AmeK me
KiZ cvib| D`vniY wnme Avgiv eZgvb cw_exi mePq gZvai
gvbylwUi K_v Dj-L KiZ cvwi| gvwKb BwZnvmi c_g Kv
cwmWU evivK Ievgv Avmj GB cuvPwU avcK AwZg KiB
AvcvZ`wZ AmeK me KiQb|
Ievgvi Kwbqvb eskv~Z evev AvgwiKvq GmwQjb fvMv^lY|
mLvbB Ievgvi gvqi mv_ Zvi cwiPq Ges weq| wK Ievgvi
Rbi ci ciB Zviv Avjv`v nq hvb Ges `yRbB Avevi weq Kib|
1967 mvj Ievgvi eqm hLb Qq, ZLb wk IevgvK wbq Zvi gv
ce 2 \ mvdj

41

B`vbwkqvb ^vgxi mv_ Pj hvb RvKvZvq| `vwi` Avi cwZKjZvi

ga eo DVZ jvMjb wZwb| wK mLvbI _vKv njv bv Zvi|
wdi Gjb nvIqvBZ Zvi bvbv-bvbxi KvQ| A_vr gv-evevnxb GKwU
wewQb cwievii wKkvi wnme eo DVZ jvMjb|
12 eQi eqm evevi mv_ Zvi c_g Ges klevii gZv `Lv nq|
Gici wkvRxebi avcjv mvdji m cwiq fwZ njb Kjw^qv
wekwe`vjq| 1980 mvj wZxq ^vgxi mv_ Zvi gvqi wWfvm nq
hvq| Avi 1982 mvj gviv hvb Zvi wbRi evev|
1988 mvj NUjv Zvi Rxebi euvKe`jKvix NUbvwU| wcZf~wg
Kwbqvq wMq wcZvi cwievii mv_ wgwjZ njb| Abyfe Kijb
kKoi kw| `ytL, `vwi` Avi cwZKjZvi wei jovBK `Ljb
KvQ _K| Zvi Dcjw cjv GK bZzb gvv| ci wZwb wjLQb,
The visit united my outward self with my inward self in an
important way. A_vr G mdii ga w`q Zvi fZii mvi mv_

evBii mvi GK iZc~Y wgjb NU| bZzb `wfw wbq 1990 mvj
KvR i Kib wZwb| G eQiB c_g Avdv-AvgwiKvb wnme nvfvW
j wiwfD-Gi mv`K gbvbxZ nb|
1992 mvj GK AmvaviY eB iPbv Kib wZwbwWgm dg gvB
dv`vi, hLvb wZwb Zvi kKo mvbi msMvgi K_v ejQb|
2004 mvj wZwb BDGm wmbUi m`m nb| 2008 mvj wnjvwi
wKbUbi gZv cwZcK civwRZ Ki `jxq gbvbqb cjb Ges
Aekl Rqx nq mw Kijb c_g e-vK AvgwiKvb cwmWU nIqvi
weij BwZnvm|
GZ cwZKjZv mI evivK Ievgv G Aewa AvmZ ciQb KviY
Zvi gbQwe wQjv| wZwb Kx Pvb, mUv Zvi KvQ wQjv| zj
_vKZB Kvm cixvq iPbv wjLwQjbAvB IqvU Uz we w` cwmWU
Ad AvgwiKv| Avi ji hwKZvq KZUv Avv _vKj GKRb
Kv gvbyl wmbU m`m nIqvi gv `yeQii gv_vq fvKvx`i
Dc`k AMvn Ki cwmWU c`cv_x wnme wbRi bvg NvlYv KiZ
cvib Zv mnRB Abygq|
bwgbkbi Rb cwZhvwMZv PjvKvj AbKB ZvK ck KiQb
Avcbvi eYi KviY AbKB AvcbvK fvU `eb bv, G wbq wK
42

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Avcbvi Kvbv `ywv nq bv? Ievgv wbtkwP ejQb, m Zv

Avgvi Kvb `yUv ewk eo ej gvbyl AvgvK fvU w`Z bv-I cvi,
wnjvwi wKbUb bvix ej ZvK AbK fvU w`Z bv-I cvi, Rb
GWIqvWm-Gi DPviY AvwjKZvi Qvc AvQ ej ZvK KD KD
fvU bv-I w`Z cvi| eY wbq GZ wPvi Kx AvQ?
Ievgvi jvbyiYb KbwW cwievii m`mmn AbK cfvekvjx
WgvUK Dy KiwQjv wnjvwi wKbUbi gZv cwiwPZ gyLi
cwieZ ZvK mg_b KiZ|
mvivRxeb wZwb wbRK avc avc cZ KiQb Zvi gbQwei
Rb| G KviY Kjw^qv wekwe`vjq _K cvk Kivi ci AbK gvUv
Ai PvKwii myhvM _vKvi ciI c_g ckv wnme eQ bb
KwgDwbwU msMVbK| `vwi` I eYmgmv wbq KvR i Kib wZwb|
myweavewZ jvwaK bvMwiKi fvUvwaKvii myhvM Zwi Ki `b|
nvfvW _K j cvki ciI KvR Kivi Rb eQ bb Ggb GKwU
dvgK, hwU AvKvi QvU, eZb AbK Kg, wK hLvb cfvekvjx
ivRbxwZwe``i mv_ hvMvhvMi myhvM AvQ|
ay evivK Ievgv bb, hvivB mdj nqQb ZvivB Rb ev bv Rb
GB cwqvKB AbymiY KiQb| AZGe hZ eo ^cB nvK, wav
Kieb bv| KviY AvcvZ AmeK me Kivi bvgB gbQwe|
ck : gvnvw_i gvnv` Ges gvjqwkqv cm Avcbvi gei
cwicwZ ejwQ, Avcwb wK gb Kib bv ewi gZv RvwZiI
gbQwei cqvRb AvQ?
Di : AekB AvQ| RvwZMZ gbQwe evevqbi GKUv Dj D`vniY
njv Avgv`i gywhy| cw_exi BwZnvm gv bq gvm weRq ARbi
gZv GKwU AmvaviY NUbv me nqwQjv wZbwU Dcv`vbi
KviYgbQweZ AwePj wekvm, mNeZv Ges mevZK cPv|
c_gZ, gbQweZ AwePj wekvm| 26 gvP _K ^vaxbZvi h ^ci
mv_ mg evOvwj GKvZ nq wMqwQjv ZvZ wekvmi Kvbv NvUwZ
wQjv bv| AvaywbK mgiv mwZ bksm cvwKvwb evwnbxi wei
joZ eva nIqv wbi GKwU RvwZi wekvmi GB `pZv mwZB
ce 2 \ mvdj

43

AmvaviY| GgbI nqQ, UvsK AvmQ b cvwL wkKvi Kivi mvgvb

GqviMvb nvZ GKRb gvbyl QyUQ UvsK gvKvejv Kivi Rb|
wZxqZ, mNeZv| GB GKwU gbQweK mvgb iL Avgiv hfve
mNe nqwQjvg, GKvZZv I mggwgZvi h `v vcb KiZ
ciwQjvg Zv Avgv`i RvZxq Rxebi GK ^Yvj Aavq| GKgv
nvbv`vi evwnbxi fq Qvov MvUv Rbc` wQjv bv Kvbv fq, AwbqZv
ev wbivcvnxbZv| gv Zvi ZiYx KbvK wbq GKv XvKv _K Mvgi
c_ w`q nuU nuU Pj MQb w`bvRcyi| Kvbv fq ev Avkv wQjv
bv Zvi gb| XvKv ev Abvb Avv Rbc` _K hvivB Avkqi
LuvR c_ bgQb ZvivB cqQb Gi cgvY| Pbv bB, Rvbv bB
Ggb gvbyl`iI ivw hvcbi Rb wbRi Ni Qo w`qQb Mvgi
Mn| gaivZ Mig fvZ, gyiwMi MvkZ Avi mKvj wcVv LvBq
Avcvqb KiQb| m mgq mNeZv Ges mggwgZvi `v GgbB
wQjv h, m~Y APbv ARvbv GK`j gvbyl gywevwnbxZ hvM w`q
wbglB nq hZ GK Acii mePq KvQi Rb| mnhvviv
cZKB PvBZv Ki, wec`i, SuywKi KvRUzKz wbR KiZ Avi
mx`i wbivc` ivLZ|
wZb nQ mevZK cPv| ^vaxbZv cvIqvi Rb hv hv Kiv `iKvi
Ges hv hv ZvM Kiv `iKvi Zvi meB Avgiv KiwQjvg| GK KvwU
gvbyl `k ZvM KiwQjv Ges MnZvM KiZ eva nqwQjv Aviv
wZb KvwU gvbyl| ay evwo ev m` bq, wbRK wemRb w`ZI Zv`i
Kvbv wav wQjv bv| h ZiYiv Avivg-Avqk ev wejvmx Rxeb Af
wQjv, ZvivB gywhyi Rb Ni Qo ewiq MQ| Uwbs Kvi
K, hy Ask wbq AvnZ ev wbnZ nIqvi AvkvmewKQyKB Zviv
gb wbqQ A-vb e`b|
Avi wekvm, mNeZv Ges mevZK cPv hLb Kvbv gnr ji
Rb wbew`Z nq ZLb ZvZ mvi ingZi aviv m nq| gywhy
Avgiv Kvbv ewMZ ^v_i Rb bq, mgM RvwZi gywi Rb
KiwQjvg| Avgiv wQjvg Ryjyg I kvlYi wei| bvqi c_| hvi
dj GZ A mgq DcKiYi GZ mxgveZv mI bksm cvwKvwb
evwnbxi wei jo Avgiv mdj nqwQjvg|
GZ Mievj mvdji ci Avgv`i AvRKi GB Aevi KviYI
44

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

nQ ^vaxbZvi ci Avgiv Avi Kvbv RvwZMZ gbQwe mw KiZ cvwi

wb| wK 90-Gi `kK _K Avgiv RvwZMZ gbQwe `LZ i
KiwQevsjv`k bZZ w`Q AvMvgx weki| AvcwbI wbtmsKvP GB
gbQweZ kvwgj nZ cvib|

gbQwe I ag
ck : gbQwei evcvi Avgvi GKUz AZv AvQ| eag wbvg
Kgi K_v ejv nqQ, KvRi dji cwZ Avm bv nq KvR KiZ
ejv nqQ| MxZvqI GKB K_v ejv nqQ| Bmjvg agI KvRi Kx
dj ne Zvi Rb Avj-vni Ici wbfi KiZ ejv nqQ| Avj-vn hv
Kib, Zv ev`vi gji RbB Kib| wK gwWUkb Avgiv
Avgv`i KvRi dj AbK Zxefve Kvgbv Kwi| Avwg gbQwei mv_
agi `wKvYi wgj eySZ cvwi wb|
Di : Avmj KvRi dj `qvi AwaKvi Avj-vni wK KvR Kivi
`vwqZ Avcbvi| h KviY Avj-vn Zvqvjv m~iv evjv`-Gi 4 bs AvqvZ
fve ejQb Avwg gvbylK cwikg I Kwbfi Ki mw KiwQ|
A_ee` ejv nqQ, n gvbyl! Drmvn-Dxcbv wbq AvwiKZvi
mv_ cwikg Ki| `vwi` I AmyZv Zvgvi KvQ _K cvwjq hve|
A_vr cw_exZ gvbylK cvVvbvB nqQ K I cwikg Kivi Rb|
Zgwb djvdji RbI kg w`Z ne gvbylKB|
GLb Avgiv hw` gb Kwi, Avwg Lvev wK Lvev bv, GUv Avj-vn
wbavwiZ Ki iLQb| GB ej Avwg PvjI Avbjvg bv, ivbvI Kijvg
bv Ges LvIqvi DcKiY hvMvoI Kijvg bv| em _vKjvg GB fe
h, Avj-vn Kcvj wjLj Zv LvevB| wK Avj-vn Ifve Kcvj wjL
ivLb bv| Zvnj Avj-vn gvbylK KvRi Rb ejZb bv| m~iv RygAvGi 10 bs AvqvZ Avj-vn ejQbbvgvR kl Ki cw_exZ Qwoq
co Ges Avj-vni AbyMn m` Abymvb Ki| fMeMxZvq iqQ,
gvbyli AwaKvi ay Kg| dj Zvi AwaKvi bvB| KvR Ki| wbRK
Kgi KviK gb Kiv bv| Avevi wbRK wbwq nq hZ w`I bv|
A_vr Kgi iZ me RvqMvq me ag `qv nqQ, dji bq|
ce 2 \ mvdj

45

djvdji `vwqZ Avcwb Avj-vni Ici Qo w`jb wK PvBZ Zv

Kvbv `vl bB| Avj-vn PvBZ wbla Kib wb| KviAvb ejv
nqQZzwg Avgvi KvQ PvI, cv_bv Ki, Avwg Keyj Kiev| Avj-vn
cv_bv Lye cQ` Kib, PvIqvUvK Lye cQ` Kib Ges gbQwe nQ
PvIqviB GKUv ic, PvIqvi mv_ wbRK wgwkq djv| PvIqv Ges
wbRK Gi mv_ GKvKvi Ki djv nQ gbQwe hv Avj-vn cQ`
Kib| h Kg KiQ Avj-vn ZvKB dj w`qQb, h Kg Ki wb
Avj-vn ZvK dj w`jI m ivLZ cvi wb, dj Abiv fvM KiQ|
FMe` PgrKvifve ejv AvQ, hviv mrc_ KVvi cwikg Ki
Ges ciiK mnhvwMZv Ki Zv`iKB cfy mvnvh Kib| AZGe
gbQwei mv_ Avcbvi wekvmi Kvbv weiva bB, agi Kvbv weiva
bB| gbQwe nQ GKvM PvIqv, PvIqvi mv_ wbRK GKvKvi Ki
`qv| PvIqv I PvIqvi cwqvi mv_ wgk hvIqv|
ck : Bmjvg Ges Ab AbK ag eo eo cZvkvi wb`v Kiv nqQ|
gvbylK me`v Zz I cwiZ _vKvi wkv w`qQ| wK gbQwei gvag
Avgiv eo wKQz ARb Kivi j wbq e _vKvi gvag wK A_ LvwZ
ev cYi cwZ Avm nq hZ cvwi bv? gbQwei mxgviLv Kv_vq
nIqv DwPZ?
Di : wbtm`n Bmjvgmn mKj agB Zz cwiZ I kvKiMvRvi
_vKvi wkv w`qQ| AvgivI ZvB memgqB mewKQyi RbB ewj
kvKi Avjnvg`ywjj-vn! Kwiqvi wZxq w`K nQ, cw_exZ mwi Rb
KjvYKi mewKQyB Avj-vni bqvgZ| ^vfvweKfveB Avj-vni bqvgZi
Ici wekvmx`iB AMvwaKvi iqQ|
KviAvb ejv nqQ, Avj-vn wekvmx`i `ywbqv I AvLivZDfq
vbB cwZv `vb Kib| GB Rb KviAvb mvjvZ Kvqgi
cvkvcvwk hvKvZ Av`vqi Ici iZ `qv nqQ| A_vr weevb nq
hvKvZ Av`vq bvgvRi gZvB iZc~Y| ZvB bvgvR kl Ki cw_exZ
Qwoq cov I Avj-vni AbyMn m` Abymvb KiZ ejv nqQ|
imyjyj-vn (m) ejQb, Zzwg mB ewK Clv KiZ cviv hvK
Avj-vn cPzi m` w`qQb Ges m Zv mwi KjvY eq Ki| GLvb
46

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

mwi KjvY eq Kivi Rb cPzi wei AwaKvix nIqvi Ici iZ

`qv nqQ| ay fvMwejvm g _vKZ wbla Kiv nqQ|
KviAvbi GB wkv AbymiY KiB mvnvevq Kivg ZLbKvi Rvbv
cw_exi Pviw`K Qwoq cowQjb| Lvjvdvq ivk`vi mgq Zviv
AaK cw_ex kvmb KiQb| Avi Aviei mKj gvbyl hvKvZ`vZvq
cwiYZ nqwQjb|
AvwZK DbwZi cvkvcvwk ivgvb I cvim mvgvRi AgvbweKZvi
cZb NwUq Zviv GKgv civkwZ icvwiZ nqwQjb| AZGe
gbQwei j hw` wbRi I mwi KjvY nq, Ze Gi mxgviLv nIqv
DwPZ Kgc mviv cw_ex| j gnr nj A_ LvwZ ev cYi cwZ
Avmwi ckwU Aevi| imyjyj-vn (m) QvovI nhiZ Avey eKi, nhiZ
Igi, nhiZ Imgvb, nhiZ Avjxi Rxeb Gi Rj D`vniY|
ck : PvKwii Rb gbQwe KiwQjvg wK h_vmgq Zv mdj nq wb|
Ze mvgb myhvM iqQ ZvB AveviI wK Gi Rb gbQwe KiZ cvwi?
Di : GLbv Kib wb Kb, Avwg Zv AvcbvK mB ck Kiev|
hnZz myhvM AvQ AekB Avcwb gbQwe Kieb|

gbQwe cwieZb
ck : KvqvUvg g_W Kvmi mgq h gbQwe KiwQjvg Zv c~eeZx
v aviYvjvi Ici wfw Ki wQjv| hZ gwWUkb KiwQ ZZ v
aviYvjv cwivi nQ| Gi dj Avwg GLb eySZ cviwQ, AvM Avwg
gbQweZ hv PqwQ Zv Avgvi Rb mwVK wQjv bv| G Aevq gbQwei
evcvi Avgvi Kx KiYxq?
Di : ^vfvweKfveB gbQwe e`jvZ ne| bZzb cwiwwZ-AwfZvwekvm-aviYvi AvjvK bZzb gbQwe wbgvY Kib|
ck : `ki evBi covkvbvi wmv wbqwQ| wK c_g h `k
wbevPb Ki gbQwe `LwQjvg, iZc~Y wKQz KviY Zv cwieZb Ki
ce 2 \ mvdj

47

Ab `ki evcvi wmv wbqwQ| Avmj Avgvi gbQwe Nb Nb e`j

hvQ| gbQweZ cwieZb wK mvdj weic cwZwqv Avbe?
Di : Avmj cwieZb wKQy wKQy h Kiv hve bv Zv bq| wK Nb Nb
cwieZb Kij Zv weic cwZwqv AvbZ cvi ewK|
aib, Avcwb wmv wbjb h, cdmi neb| Qq gvm cdmi
nIqvi Rb KvR Kijb| Zvici gb njv cdmii Kvbv M-vgvi
bB, Zvi Pq eis ZvgvKB LuyRQ evsjv`k nq hvB, ILvb
M-vgvi AvQ| Avcwb Zvi cQb jM Mjb| wK `Lv Mj,
evsjv`k AvcbvK Avi LuyR cvQ bv| ZLb fvejb h, wVK AvQ,
Gevi Avi Gme wKQy bq, Gevi Avwg Wvvi nev| GiKg evi evi j
e`jvZ _vKj Kx ne? eb KbwdDR&W nq hve| eje h, G AvM
wVK KiK, Zvici Avwg KvR Kiev|
AbKUv H NUbvi gZv| GKRb Lye weLvZ Wvvii P^vi
memgq wfo jM _vK| GZ Z-wei nq Wvvi mvne gvUv
eZb w`q GKRb mye`vi ivLjb wmwKDwiwU MvW wnme Ges ejjb
h, Lei`vi! GB mgqUv Avgvi wekvgi mgq, G mgq KvDK XyKZ
`e bv| Avwgi mye`vi, hgb Kzg Zvi Zgb KvR| Gi ga Kx
KviY KqKw`b ci Wvvi mvnei x GmQb `Lv KiZ| x
Gm cwiPq w`jb, Avwg Zvi IqvBd| mye`vi ejjb h, gvWvg,
mvii Kzg bvB| x Zv P^vi XyKZ cvi bvB| eySZB cviQb
Wvvi mvne evmvq hvIqvi ci Kx Aev nqQ!
wZwb ciw`b Gm mye`viK aiQb| mye`vi ejjv h, mvi,
AvcwbB Zv ejQb KvDK XyKZ `e bv| wZwb ejjb, Avwg
ejjB njv! Avgvi x Avme Avi ZvK XyKZ `e bv! GLb _K
Avgvi x Gj XyKZ `e| mye`vi ejjv, Rx mvi! Zv-B ne|
w`b 15 ci Gevi Wvvi mvnei ki Gjb Zvi mv_ `Lv Kivi
Rb| ki Zv Aviv eq gvbyl| mye`vi ejjv h, Gmgq Kviv
XvKvi Kzg bvB ay Ibvi x Qvov| Avcwb xi evev nvb, ZeyI
mvii Kzg bvB| Kzg Qvov Zv Avwg KvDK XyKZ w`Z cvwi bv|
GLb ki gkvB Zv Pj MQb evmvq| eySZB cviQb iv hLb
Wvvi mvne evmvq MQb ZLb Kx Aev!
48

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

ciw`b cdmi mvne P^vi Gm Avevi ejjb h, GB evUv

eAvj, xi evev GmQ ZvK XyKZ `vI wb Kb? mye`vii Mj
gRvR Lvivc nq| KviY Zvi Uwbs Zv ay h Kgv cvq, Kej
mUvK AbymiY Kivi gaB mxwgZ| evi evi Kgv e`jvbvq m
w`knviv nq cowQjv| ejjv h, mvi, Avwg Avcbvi PvKwi Kiev
bv| Avcwb GKevi ejjb KvDK XyKZ bv w`Z, Zvici ejjb ay
Avcbvi x-K XyKZ w`Z| Avi GLb xi evevK XyKZ bv `qvi
Rb AvgvK eKQb| Avcwb Zv Avmj Kgv w`ZB Rvbb bv|
Avwg mvi, Avcbvi PvKwiB Kiev bv|
eb wK Avmj GB mye`vii gZv| G ay Kgv evS| AZGe
eyS b Kgv `eb, evi evi hw` Kgv cwieZb Kib, GKevi
Gw`K Zv AviKevi Iw`K `ovZ ejb, Zvnj GZ wav- Zv
gw mwVK Kgcwqv cve bv| Avcbvi gbQweI KvR Kie bv|

gbQwe : Abvb
ck : Avgiv gbQwe `wL, c~iY nq MQ wK AUvmvRkb `B
fwelZi| hgb Avwg gbQwe `wL Mvwo PowQ wK AUvmvRkb `B
Avgvi Mvwo ne| mwVK Z_wU RvbZ PvwQ|
Di : `yUvB wVK AvQ| gbQweZ fwelrK eZgvb wnme `LZ
ne Avi AUvmvRkb `qvi mgq Avcbvi cQ` Abyhvqx eZgvb ev
fwelr KvjhKvbvwU eenvi KiZ cvib| GLvb fwelr Kvj
hgb, Zgwb eZgvb KvjvcK AUvmvRkbI eenvi KiZ cvib|
ck : gbQwei fZi eZgvb Aev Pj Avm hvi welqe m~Y
wecixZ aibi| axi axi Zv hw` mwiq w`q Avevi h_vj Kbv
Kwi Ze wK Zv wVK ne?
Di : eZgvb Aev XyK coZ cvi| Av Ki IUvK mwiq w`q
Avmj Avcwb hv nZ PvQb m QweZB wdi hveb|
ce 2 \ mvdj

49

ck : Avwg hv gb gb fvwe ev AvKvv Kwi eve memgq Zvi Dv

dj nZ `Lv hvq| hgb, KLbv Kvm hZ `wi nj fvwe AvR
wbqB mvii eKv Lvev| wK Kvm wMq `wL mvi Lye dwej|
A_ev mviB ZLbv Kvm Avmb wb| Avwg j KiwQ, Avgvi Rxebi
cwZwU NUbv GfveB NU| dj KvwZ welqi Rb AvgvK Dv
fveZ nq| GUv gbQwei mv_ mvsNwlK wK bv GKUz evLv Kieb|
Di : Avmj GUvI nQ Avcbvi GKUv `wfw| hLb fveb AvRK
eKv Lvev, ZLb ay eKv LvIqvi K_v fveb bv| GKB mv_ Avevi
fvebbv bv, me wVK nq hve| Avcbvi ga `yUv fvebvB memgq
KvR Ki| GK gb ej eKv Lveb, AviK gb ej eKv Lveb bv|
bwZevPK Ges BwZevPK `yUv wPvB GKmv_ nZ _vK| Avcwb aiB
wbQbh bwZevPK wPvUv Kijb, eve Zvi DvUv ne| Avi
nqI Zv-B| GLb _K gbQweK `p Kib| memgq fveeb h, hv
wPv Kiev m iKgB `Lev| jUvK hZ my Kieb Ges j
hZ GKvM _vKeb ZZ j AbymviB Avcbvi Rxeb cwiPvwjZ ne|
ck : GKmgq cvwim ew wbq hvIqvi Pv Kwi| e evavi myLxb
nB| Ze kqb ^cb eBZ cov eYbvbyhvqx RvqMvq Aevb KiZvg|
ci mwZB mLvb wMqwQjvg|
Di : evn&! Avcwb Zv cwkY QvovB PgrKvi gbQwe KiQb| Avmj
me mdj gvbylB mPZbfve A_ev mnR ^Zt~Zfve GB cwqvKB
AbymiY KiQb| Avi Avcwb hnZz cwkY QvovB Ki djQb,
cwkYi ci gbQwe Aviv AbK my`i ne|
ck : gbQwei mgq Kvbv wKQy cZ nj wK gb gb ay KbvB
KiZ ne h, Avwg AvKvwZ e cq MwQ ev cZ PvB, bv Kviv
KvQ `qv wfv PvBZ ne| hgb Avj-vni wbKU?
Di : Avmj gbQweZ Avcwb `Leb h, Avcwb cq MQb| GUv
Kviv KvQ `qv wfv bv| Ze Avj-vni KvQ cv_bv Kiv wfb K_v|
KviY cv_bv gbQwei cvwK Zivw^Z Ki|
50

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

ck : Avwg GK eQi njv KvqvUvg MvRyqU| GZw`b Avgvi gbi

evwo cwivi nqQ| Avi Avgvi gbQweI GLb ^c cwiYZ nqQ|
gbQweUvK gvS gvS eve ej Kbv Kwi| Avgvi wekvm Avgvi
gbQwe eve cwiYZ ne| wK ay gbQwe `LjB wK mUv eve
cwiYZ ne? Avcwb nqZv ejeb h, m Abyhvqx KvR KiZ| wK
iRx Avgvi gbQweUv GKUz AbiKg| GKgv Avj-vnB mUv eve
cwiYZ KiZ cvieb| `qv Ki GB evcviwU GKUz ejeb wK?
Di : hw` GUv ay Avj-vnB evevwqZ KiZ cvib Zvnj Avj-vni
Ici Qo w`b| GUv wbq Avi wPv Kivi `iKvi bB| KviY hv ay
Avj-vn evevwqZ KiZ cvib mLvb cv_bv Kiv Qvov Avi Kvbv
Dcvq bB| hUvi Rb Avcbvi Kivi wKQy AvQ, mUv nQ gbQwe|

Abi evcvi gbQwe

ck : Ab Kviv DbwZi Rb gbQwe Kij mUv KZUzKz KvhKi ne?
hgb ^vgxi eemvwqK mvdj, mvbi wkv mvdji gbQwe wK
`LZ cvwi? m Zv Kxfve evevwqZ ne?
Di : Avmj gbQwe wbRi Rb, Abi Rb bq| Avi Avgiv wekvm
Kwi h, AvM Avgv`i wbRi KjvY KiZ ne| hLb Avcwb wbRi
KjvY KiZ cvieb ZLb hw` Abi KjvY KiZ hvb mUv ne
hywmZ| Avi wbRi KjvY bv Ki Abi KjvY KiZ hvIqvUv
AhwK| KviY Zvi wekvm ev Avv KvbvUvB Avcwb cveb bv|
Ze ^vgxi eemvwqK mvdj, mvbi wkv mvdji Rb
`vqv KiZ Kvbv evav bB| wK G jjv ARbi Rb g~j
cPv KiZ ne Zv`iKB| m Avcbvi cZvkv mnvqK wnme
KvR Kie| Avcbvi BwZevPK AbyiYb Zv`iK Aviv BwZevPK Ki
Zzje| ZvB wbR `vqvi cvkvcvwk Zv`iKI gbQwe `LZ I eve
Pv PvjvZ Dy Kib| cqvRb Kgv mUvi Gb evSvb| Avevi
mevB wgjI GKmv_ gbQwe `LZ cvib|
ce 2 \ mvdj

51

ck : mgwMZ gbQwe mvgwMK mvdjjvf KZUv jf` KiZ cvi?

Di : whwb mgwMZ mvdji gbQwe `Leb, Kvjg wZwbB bZv
neb| KviY wZwb ay GKvi Rb wPv KiQb bv, wZwb Ab`i
RbI wPv KiQb| wZwb hw` Zvi gavK weKwkZ KiZ cvib
Zvnj AbivI Zvi mv_ mshy neb Ges mvgwMK gbQwe mdj ne|
Avmj gnvgvbeiv c_g GKvB gbQwe `LQb| nhiZ Bevwng (Av)
_K i Ki imyjyj-vn (m) ch mKj gnvgvbe c_g wbRB gbQwe
`LQb RvwZK cwieZb Kivi| Kvjg Zv mdj nqQ|
gvnvw_i gvnv` 1975 mvj gbQwe `Ljb, AbMmi gvjqwkqvq
20 eQii ga Mo Zzjeb cw_exi mevP feb| Zvi GKK gbQwe
cyiv RvwZi gvS mvwiZ njv| 1995 mvj ZrKvjxb cw_exi mevP
feb wbwgZ njv gvjqwkqvi Kzqvjvjvgcyi| AZGe GKK gbQweI
AZ kwkvjx nZ cvi hw` wZwb Zvi wbRi fZii kwK
weKwkZ KiZ cvib Ges GUv hw` mvgwMK ^v_ nq| AZGe GKK
gbQwe, hw` GUv AvwiK nq, mgwMZ nq, mvgwMK KjvYi Rb nq
A_vr mevi DcKvii Rb nq, Ze AekB Zv jf` KiZ cvi|

gbQwe evevqb Abi mnhvwMZv

ck : gbQwe evevqbi AbK Ask Avgvi wbqY bB| AbK
KvRi Rb Abi Ici wbfi KiZ nq| GB Aevq wbRi KiYxq
mwVKfve mb Kivi ci Kx Kiev?
Di : hv`i gbQwe evevwqZ nqQ, evevwqZ nIqvi AvM
AwaKvsk welqB Zv`i wbqY wQjv bv| wK mgq Zv`iK GwMq
wbq MQ, hnZz Zviv j AwePj wQjb| j ARbi Rb hUzKz
KvR Kiv me mUzKz Zviv KiQb, evwKUyKz nqQ KviY Zviv cKwZi
mnhvwMZv cqQb| Avgv`i cZKi gb wekgbi mv_ mshy|
Avmj Avcbvi wekvm hLb my`p nq, ZLb mvgwMK mPZbZv
(collective consciousness) _K mnhvMx kw Pj Avm, cKwZi
bc_ `b KvR KiZ i Ki Avcbvi AbyK~j|
52

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

ck : Avgvi gbQwe hw` Ab Kviv BQvi wei nq Ges Avgvi

gbQweZ m iZc~Y nq Ze wK GUv Abvq?
Di : Ab Kviv BQvi wei Zv gbQwe nIqv DwPZ bq| Ze
aib, Avcwb GKUv cwZhvwMZvq c_g nZ Pvb| G Ab Kviv
BQvi wei Zv nQ bv| Avcwb c_g nZ PvQbK mK njv,
K _vW njv GUv wbq Avcbvi Kvbv gv_ve_v bB| Ggb nj Kvbv
Amyweav bB| wK Avcwb hw` gb Kib AgyKK Avwg cfvweZ KiZ
PvB Ges Abvqfve Zvi BQvi wei KvR KivZ PvB| Zvnj GUv
gbQwe ne bv| GUv vPvi ej MY ne Ges Avcwb wZM neb|

gbQweZ Avv AvbZ cviwQ bv

ck : Avwg h gbQwe KiwQ Avwg mRb RbwQ wK bvGB m`n
Abyf~wZ _K Kxfve ei nev? Avwg Avmj Kx KvRi Rb fvjv
GUv LuyR cvwQ bv| GUv bv LuyR cq Avwg h RxebQwe Zwi KiwQ
ZvZ c~Y wekvm vcb mgmv nq|
Di : GB m`nUvB nQ GKRb gvbyli mePq eo k| GRb
KvqvUvgi Rxeb Avgiv hZ KvR KiwQ Avgiv Kv_vI GB m`ni
ckq `B wb| hv gvbyl Ame gb KiQ, cieZxZ mUvB me
wnme eve `Lv MQ|
Kvmi K_vB ewjAvgiv hLb i Kijvg, Avwg hnZz AvM
mvsevw`KZv KiwQ, GjwR KiwQAvgvi wbR^ GKUv mvKj wQjv|
mevB b ejjv, Kx ejb? GKRb gvbyl cqmv w`q Avme Avi Pvi
w`b em em ay Avcbvi K_v be! Ame! Avi gvbyl GKKfve
GKUv bvPi cvMvg/ Mvbi cvMvg `yB/ wZb Nvi ewk KiZ cvi
bv| Avi Avcwb Zv ay K_v ejeb! KZY gvbyl be!
Avwg ejjvg, Avwg Zv wbRi K_v ejev bv, Avwg Zvi DcKvii
K_v ejev| Avi wbRi DcKvi, wbRi fvjv Zv cvMjI evS|
mLvb Zv hviv Avmeb Zviv me my gvbyl, me fvjv gvbyl, Zviv
beb bv? we`cKvixiv ejjb h, nuv, `Lv hve|
ce 2 \ mvdj

53

Avgiv Avj-vni Kwiqv Av`vq Kwi| nvRvi nvRvi gvbyl KvqvUvg

g_W Kvm Gm DcKZ nqQb| KviY gvbyli 75 fvM ivM nQ
gbv`wnK| Avi 25 fvM BbdKkb, `wnK AvNvZ, Ilya I
Acvikbi cwZwqvi KviY| GB 25 fvMi Rb Wvvi cqvRb|
wK gbv`wnK ev gbi RUi KviY h 75 fvM ivM nq Zv Ilya
w`q wVK Kiv hve bv| gbK w`q wVK KiZ ne| avbi i gb
hLb K_vjv be, gbi RU Lyje Ges wZwb fvjv neb|
h hv-B ejyK Avgiv wekvm AUj wQjvg| ZLb Zv Kvbv D`vniY
wQjv bv| D`vniY mw nqQ Kvm i Kivi ci| nvRvi nvRvi gvbyl
DcKZ nqQ| GLb jvLv gvbyl DcKZ nQ| KviY Avgv`i Kvbv
wav wQjv bv|
Avgvi eZv Kivi Kvbv AwfZv wQjv bv| Avwg mvBwKqvwU ev
mvBKvjwRI bB| wK wekvm KiwQ h, G cvwZvwbK Kvbv
wWwM hw` bv-I _vK, Avwg GB welqwU Rvwb, Avwg GB welqwU eySwQ|
Avj-vnK ejwQ h, Avj-vn, Avwg ev bB| eZv Rvwb bv| Rxeb
Kvbvw`b eZv Kwi wb| wK AvgvK Zv GB mZ K_vjv ejZ
ne| Zzwg AvgvK ejvi kw `vI| Avj-vn Zvqvjv kw w`qQb|
Avgvi mnawgYxI Avgvi AvjvPbv b AevK njb| KviY AvM
Dwb ejZb Avwg bZvg| Avwg kvZv wnme wK GLbv Lye fvjv|
wK Kvm kl Dwb ejjb h, Zzwg h GZ K_v ejZ cviv Zv Zv
AvM eywS wb| Avwg ejjvg, AvM ejvi cqvRb nq wb| GLb ejvi
cqvRb| Avgvi wekvmi K_v Zv AvgvKB ejZ ne| Avgvi
wekvmi K_v Zv AviKRb Avgvi gZv Ki ejZ cvie bv|
AZGe Rxeb hv Kieb wekvmi mv_ Kieb| hLb KD wekvm
Ki dj ZLb Avj-vni KiYv Zvi Ici Pj Avm| Avi Avcbvi
wekvm AvcbvKB KiZ ne| AviKRb wekvm Kij Avcbvi ZvZ
Kvbv jvf ne bv|
Avj-vn Zvqvjv cZKUv gvbylK Avjv`v Avjv`v Ki mw KiQb|
Kviv gZv KvDK mw Kib wb| AZGe AvcbvK h gZv Avj-vn
w`qQb, AvcbvK h gw Avj-vn w`qQb, GB gwK hw` Avcwb
KvR jvMvZ cvibAvcvZ AmeK me KiZ cvieb| wK
Avgiv cvwi bv Kb? Avgv`i wPvjv wewQb-wew, m`n
54

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Avv| m Rb cvwi bv| Avgiv mNe bB ej Avgiv cvwi bv|

hLb GKv _vKeb wav ewk _vKe|
whwb gavex, hvi gav `L Avgiv wewZ nBZvi eb Avi
Avgv`i ebi ga gwjK Kvbv ZdvZ bB| Avgv`i ebi
wbDivbjv nQ wewQb wew| mshvM Kg| whwb gavex wZwb
mshvMUv evovZ _vKb| Avi wbDivb _K wbDivb mshvM hZ
evoveb ZZ Avcwb mdj neb| Avgv`i mgvR cfvekvjx gvbyl
ZvivB hviv mNe| hvi mv_ hZ gvbyli mshvM iqQ Zvi kw
gZv ZZ ewk| Avcwb GKUv Awdm KvR KiZ hvQb, mKvj _K
em AvQb, Kvbv KvR nQ bv| Gi ga hvi mvgb em AvQb
wZwb nqZv GKUv dvb cjb wKQyY ci| Avcbvi mvgbB
AviKRb jvK XyKjv| Zvi KvRUv ZrYvr Ki Dwb ZvK Qo
w`jb Avi Avcwb emB AvQb| Kb? mshvMi Rb|
Avcwb hZ wbDivbi mshvM evoveb ZZ Avcbvi gavK KvR
jvMvZ cvieb| AZGe wekvm KiZ ne Ges wekvm AUj _vKZ
ne| hLbB wekvm KiebwbfRvj wekvm Kieb, ZLb gw KvR
KiZ i Kie| ZLb KiYvgqi KiYv Avcbvi Ici ewlZ ne|
Avmj me aibi gavB gw my _vK| 700 KvwU gvbyl GKB
gZvmb gw aviY KiQ hvi Re ivmvqwbK MVb Kvbv cv_K
bB| h welq Avcwb AvMnx I wekvmx neb mB msv wbDivb
mshvMvqb I mwqZv mw ne| Avcwb jcvb GwMq hveb|
ck : gbQwe AvQ Rxeb eo nevi| wK hfve mewKQy GQ gb
m`n RvM| nZvk nq cwo| mevB Drmvn `q| ZviciI mgqi
cwZ Lye ewk nZvk nq cwo| Kx KiZ cvwi? gbQwe hv `wL mB
j AvgvK cuQvZ neB ne| Avgvi Kx Kiv DwPZ?
Di : Avmj Avgv`i AwaKvski mgmv GUvB| Avgiv wekvm AUj
_vKZ cvwi bv| evi evi Lvwj LuvPvB| GKUv gyiwM wWg wbq emQ,
evPv dzUZ Zv 21 w`b jvMe, bv 21 w`bi AvM evPv dvU?
GK Qv Zvi wkKK ejjv h, GLb bZzb gwkb ewiqQ
GKw`b evPv dvU| Avwg `LwQ AvMi w`b wWg GKw`K w`q
ce 2 \ mvdj

55

XvKvQ, Avi cii w`b evPv Abw`K w`q ei KiQ| wkK

fvejb, GKw`b evPv dvU! GUv Kgb K_v! GUv Zv nq bv| wVK
AvQ, LuvR jvMvI| wZwb LuvR jvMvjb, hLvb gwkb gyiwMi evPv
dvUvbv nq ILvb Mjb| wMq wRm Kijb, GKw`b bvwK evPv
dvU? LuvR wbq Rvbv Mj, nuv, wVKB AvQ| cZKw`bB XvKvbv nq
cZKw`bB ei Kiv nq, wK gvSLvb 21Uv dR AvQ| GB h
wWgUv Mj, GUv Zvi cii w`b wZxq P^vi, Zvi cii w`b ZZxq
P^vi, Zvi cii w`b PZz_ P^viGiKg 20 w`b 20Uv P^vi cvi
nq 21 w`bi w`b wWg _K gyiwMi evPv ei nQ| m hUv
`LwQjv ciw`b mKvj, mUv 20 w`b AvM XvKvbv nqwQjv,
AvMi w`biUv bv| Zv gyiwMi wWg gwkb dvUvb Avi gyiwM w`q
dvUvb, 21 w`b mgq Zv w`Z ne! GLb Avcwb hw` cZKw`b gyiwM
DwVq DwVq `Lb h, evPv dzUjv wK bv Zvnj wK evPv ne, bv
wWg b nq hve? Avgv`i gbQwe nq bv GRb| cZKw`bB wPv
Kwi njv wK bv! KZ`~i njv `wL| G AwiZv bv Ki eis wekvm
AUj _vKZ ne|
GB h m`n mw nIqv, Kx Rvwb, ne wK ne bv, cvev wK cvev
bv, ie wK ie bvGB m`nUvB nQ mKj webvki GKUv eo KviY|
mUv wbRi KvRi evcvi nvK, mUv cviwiK mKi evcvi
nvK, gbQwei evcvi nvK, cwiKbvi evcvi nvKGB m`ni
Pq bwZevPK kw Avi wKQy bB| GB mskq Ges m`n nQ
GKRbK e_ Ki `qvi Rb kqZvbi mePq eo A| hLbB
Avcwb `p cZq wbq GQb, `pZvi mv_ wPv KiQb, cwiKbv
KiQb, cvMvg KiQb, ZLbB kqZvb Avcbvi fZi _vKv bwZevPK
mvUvK DmK w`Q| dj Avcwb h 10 avc GwMqwQjb, GK avc
wcwQq Mjb| KviY Avcbvi BwZevPK kw hfve KvR KiwQjv
mLvb GKUv Q` co Mj|
Avmj m`n nQ Ggb GKwU wel hv fZi _vKj gvMZ
Kvvii gZv evoZ _vK| mvaviY mj Ges Kvvi mj-Gi ga
ZdvZ Kv_vq? mvaviY mj fO GKUv _K `yUv nq| Kvvi mj
nq GKUv _K PviUv| hvi dj mvaviY Ai Pq GUv eo hvq|
m`nI mfve evoZ _vK| AZGe m`n-mskqK ckq `eb bv|
56

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

mvi Ici AwePj wekvm ivLyb| wekvm ivLyb Zuvi `qv mvg_i Ici|
wbijm cwikg Kib| hywmZ KjvYKi j Avcwb cuQebB|
ck : Avwg h gbQwe `LwQ, m gbQweZ Avgvi cyivcywi wekvm mw
nq bv| KviY Avgvi gbQwe AbK eo| Avgvi gb nq, evwK Rxeb
GB gbQwe eve ic`vb Kiv me bq| GB KviY mgqK cyivcywi
gbQwei j KvR jvMvZ cviwQ bv| Avgvi Kx KiYxq?
Di : Avmj gbQwe memgqB i nq k~b _K wK kl nq
c~YZvq| mwZKvi gbQwei cwqvq hw` GKvZ nZ cvib Zvnj
AvcvZ` G gbQwe hZ AmeB gb nvK ev DcKiYi hZ ^ZvB
_vKzK, Zv AwRZ neB| Avcwb ay wbqZ wVK Ki c_ bvgyb| c_B
AvcbvK c_ `wLq wbq hve| Avmj Avgv`i mePq eo cuywR
Avgiv wbRiv| Avgv`i hv `qv nqQ Zvi hv `vg ne mB
mgcwigvY A_we AvR ch KD KiZ cvi wb| hvivB mdj nqQb
Zviv GB cuywRKB eenvi KiQb|
Avi mB mv_ cqvRb cwZ| gbQwe ay PvIqv bqPvIqv Ges
cvIqvi cwqvi mv_ GKvZ nq hvIqvi bvg gbQwe| hiKg, GKRb
MfeZx gv hLb ejb h, AvB Gg Gcws ZLb mB wkK aviY I
jvjb Kivi Rb Zvi hv hv gbv`wnK cwieZb nIqv cqvRb Zv
^Zt~Zfve nZ _vK| A_vr j ARbi Rb h gbv`wnK
cwZ, mB cwZUv wbZ ne| Zvnj Avcbvi ga G m`nUv _vKe
bv| Avi hw` gbv`wnK cwZ bv _vK, ZvnjB nZvkvq coeb,
m`n `Lv `e|
ck : Avcbvi `qv `xvgZ wekvmB mewKQyi PvweKvwV| Avgvi ck
gbQwe `Lvi c_g _K 100% `pwekvm _vKZ ne, bv
wekvm wKQyUv NvUwZ _vKjI gvMZ gbQwei PPv Ki 100%
`pwekvm vcb me? KviY Avgvi AwfZv Abyhvqx gbQwe PPvi
gvag `pwekvmI ARb me nqQ| `qv Ki civgk w`b|
Di : fZi hZY ch wekvmi NvUwZ _vKe ZZY ch Zv
GKUv BwZevPK Kbv wnme _vKe| hLb 100% `p wekvm mw ne
ce 2 \ mvdj

57

ZLb GB BwZevPK Kbv gbQweZ cwiYZ ne| Avmj wekvmB nQ

gbQwei exR| GLvb KvbviKg NvUwZ _vKj mUv Ab Kvbv wRwbm
w`q c~iY Kiv hve bv| ^Zt~Zfve wekvm `p nZ cvi, wK wekvm
Qvov evi evi gbQwe `Lj mUv AvcbvK cfvweZ KiZ cvie bv|
Kbbv gbQweZ j cuQ hZ cvij mB mvdj-AbyiYb eve
mvdjK Pviw`K _K Avcbvi w`K AvK KiZ cvi| wK fZi
mskq _K Mj gbQweZ Avcwb m RvqMvq cuQZB cvieb bv|
wekvm mw Kivi Rb Avcwb AUvmvRkb PPv KiZ cvib,
Avevi AbK ^Zt~ZfveI mgqi mv_ mv_ wekvm mw nZ
cvi, wK gbQwe wekvmi NvUwZ c~iY KiZ cvie bv| wekvmnxb
gbQwe Avi AvKvkKzmyg Kbvi ga Kvbv cv_K bB|
ck : Avgvi gbQwe `LZ Lye fq nq| gbQweK gb-cvY wekvm
Kijvg wK njv bv, ZLb gb KvPi gZv fO LvbLvb nq hvq|
Avwg fxlY w`knviv nq cwo| AjxK wKQyZ wekvm Kiv wK wVK?
Di : AjxK welq wekvm Kiv Zv wVK bv| hv Avcwb AjxK gb
Kieb, Zv KLbvB gbQwe ne bv| wK AjxK A_vr Aeve Avi
AvcvZ`wZ Ame GK bq| eo wKQyK PvBZ fq cvIqv DwPZ bq|
Avmj Avgv`i e_Zvi GKUv cavb KviYAvgiv PvBZ fq cvB,
wK Rvwb, Kx Pq Avevi Kvb wec` cwo| GK eyRyM AvR _K 70
eQi AvM nR Ki mw` Avie _K Gjb| wZwb wKQy NUbv
ejwQjbAvgiv ZigyRi jvj Ask LvB, mv`v-meyR Ask dj w`B|
Zv Dwb ILvb jvj Ask Lq mv`v Ask djZ cviZb bv, djvi
AvM mw`iv KvP ai djZv|
GZ Afve, GZ `vwi` wQjv h, Zviv H mv`v-meyR AskI LZv|
AvRK Kvb mw`i Mvwo bB? kvbv hvqMvwo GwWU Kij bvwK
IUv mLvbB dj bZzb Mvwo wKb Zviv evmvq Pj hvq| cZK
mw`K GKUv Ki Mvwo `qvi ciI hw` Avj-vni fvvi Mvwoi Afve
bv co, Zv cZK evOvwjK GKUv Ki Mvwo w`j wK Avj-vni fvvi
Mvwoi Afve ne? A_vr PvBZ ne| GB PvIqvi bvg nQ gbQwe|
aib, gvqi wZb Qj, wRwbm GKUv| KvK `b gv? mePq
58

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

wbixnh memgq gvqi AuvPj ai mv_ mv_ _vK ZvK? bvhUvK

bv w`j AvRK ivZ wPrKvi Ki Nyg nvivg Ki `e ZvK?
h wPrKvi Ki ivZi Nyg nvivg Ki `e wRwbmUv ZvKB `b
gv| Avi Ab`iK evSvb h, IUv fvjv bv, ZvgvK fvjv wRwbm
Gb `ev| Zv PvBZ ne, GB PvIqvi bvg nQ gbQwe|
ck : hLb Kvbv AvKvv wbq Kgv mUvi I gbQwei gwWUkb
Kwi, ZLb `Lv hvq h, Gi dj nq Dv| AbK mgq gb fO hvq,
Avv nvwiq dwj| m cwiwwZZ Avwg Kx fveZ cvwi?
Di : GZ mnR Avv nvivbv hve bv| ievU em hw` Avv nvwiq
djZb Zvnj wZwb AvqvijvK ^vaxb KiZ cviZb bv|
gywhyi mgq Avgiv hw` gb KiZvg h, Avgiv kl nq MwQ
Avgv`i c `k ^vaxb Kiv me nZv bv| AZGe, memgq gb
ivLZ ne h, Kvbv e_ZvB e_Zv bq, hZY bv Avcwb wbRK
e_ gb KiQb|
hKvbv mgq hKvbv Aev _K Avcbvi Dvb NUZ cvi|
KvqvUvgi ii w`K 93, 94, 95 mvj ch Avgv`i wbq
Pvicvki ewkifvM gvbylB Dcnvm KiQ| ZLb nZvk nj Avgiv
ILvbB nvwiq hZvg| wK Avgiv Avgv`i Avvq AUj wQjvg|
Rxeb mvdj Avm avc avc| GKeviB Avcwb KvwUcwZ nq hZ
cvieb bv| Avi GKevi hw` Avcwb KvwUcwZ nqI hvb Zv m UvKv
ai ivLZ cvieb bv| KviY mdj nIqvi Rb hiKg cwZ
cqvRb, mvdj ai ivLvi RbI cwZ cqvRb|
ck : Avwg 322 evPi KvqvUvg MvRyqU| KvqvUvg wnwjs I mvBwK
IwiqUkb KiwQ| gbi w`K _K AvMi Pq AbK fvjv AvwQ|
wK cwZw`b gbQwe `Lvi ciI Avgvi nvZ Kvbv KvR AvmQ bv|
mevB ay Avkvm `q| Gw`K cwZw`b Avgvi FYi cwigvY evoQ|
mvgb Kxfve Pjev Zv wbq fq cvwQ| Avwg GLb Kx KiZ cvwi?
Di : Avcwb cwZw`b gbQwe `LQb| gbQwe `Lvi ci Kx ne, fq
nq Gjv hLb gb AvmQ ZLb evSv hvQ gbQwe Avcbvi fZi
ce 2 \ mvdj

59

Muv_ wb| gbQwe hw` Avcbvi fZi Mu_ hZ Zvnj DrKvi

cwieZ Avcbvi gb Avb` mw nZv| Avcbvi gb mvdji AbyiYb
mw nZv| Avi mvdji AbyiYb hLb mw ne ZLb AekB mvdj
Avme| Gi AvM ch jvKRb AvcbvK ay Avkvm w`q hve| KviY
Avcbvi gb GLbv cwieZb Avm wb| Avcwb GLbv gvbwmKfve
e_Zvi mv_B wbRK mshy Ki iLQb| AvM `wfw e`jvZ
ne| wekvm KiZ ne h, Avwg mdj nev, mvdj Avgvi| mvdji
mv_ wbRK gvbwmKfve mshy KiZ ne| GiciB cvwicvwkKZvq
cwieZb i ne|
ck : gbQwe evevqb bv nj Avgv`i `wfw Kx iKg nIqv DwPZ?
Avgvi cwiwPZ GKRb gwWUkb Kvm mb KiwQjb| wZwb h
gbQwe `LQb m Abyhvqx KvR KiI Zv evevwqZ nq wb| ZvB wZwb
G evcvi Abxnv I Abvv cvlY Kib| G evcvi wKQy ejyb|
Di : Avmj gbQweZ hw` Avcbvi wbRi wav _vK, m`n _vK,
msKvP _vK Zvnj mUv ne bv| Avi gbQwei c_ KLbB mij c_
bq| GUv Sbvi gZv AuvKveuvKv| gbQwe i nq k~b _K, kl nq
c~YZvq| wK AvcbvK wekvm cej _vKZ ne| evav AvmZ cvi,
Sbvi mvgbI evav Avm| evav Gj Sbv hiKg weK c_ AMmi
nq, gbQweI nQ miKg|
Avgiv hLb KvqvUvg g_W Kvm i Kwi, Avgv`i gbQwe wQjv
kZ kZ gvbyl Kvm Avme, Kvm Kie| GUv nQ wekvm| Kvmi
c_g evP hZRb Gjb ZvZ nji fvovB DVjv bv| wZxq evP
Gjb 11 Rb| ZZxq evP 12/13 Rb ne| PZz_ evP 10/11 Rb|
Avj-vni Kwiqv Av`vq Kwi h, GLb mevB wewZ nb h, Kvm Gm
GZ gvbyl DcKZ nQ! KviY Avgv`i wekvm Kvbv NvUwZ wQjv bv|
Avgiv wekvm AUj wQjvg h, ne| hLb gvbyl eySe ZLb Zviv
AekB Kvm Avme| ZLb hw` Avgiv nZvk nq hZvg Zvnj
AvRKi Aevb AvmZ cviZvg bv|
gbQwe c~iY nIqvi Rb wekvmUv Lye iZc~Y| Avgiv memgq ewj
h, wav- _vKj ne bv| hgb BjKwUK mvc-vB jvBb GKUv
60

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Zvii mv_ Avi GKUv Zvii gvS Pzj cwigvY duvK _vKvB kU
mvwKUi Rb h_| GB Pzj cwigvY mskq m`n hLb Avcbvi ga
XyK hve gbQwe Avi evevwqZ ne bv| ZvB whwb ejQb wZwb Avmj
gbQwe Kib wb| AvKvkKzmyg Kbv KiQb| Avi AvKvkKzmyg Kbv
Ges gbQwe GK wRwbm bq|
ck : Avwg myweavewZ QvU QvU evPv`i covwQjvg| GLb Avwg
Avgvi mxgveZvK Ui cvwQ| evmv _K AvgvK Rvi Ki GKUv
`vKvb wbq emZ ejQ Ges weq Kivi Rb Pvc w`Q| Avwg GLb
wbRi cvq `uvovbvi gZv Aevq cuQvB wb| gbQwe AuvKwQjvg Ze
Awekvm AvgvK GZ w`Q bv| euP _vKvi Rb DcvRb KiZ
ne, Avwg wK Avgvi gbQwe e`jvev?
Di : Avmj wbRi fZi wekvmK my`p KiZ ne| Avi GB
RbB AUvmvRkb| Rxeb e`ji PvweKvwV AUvmvRkb eB ev wmwWi
h AUvmvRkbjv Avcbvi mgmvi mgvavb KiZ cvie gb nq
mjv gyL Ki djeb Ges cwZwU AUvmvRkbi AvjvK
Avcbvi cwieZb nQ wK bv `Leb| hLb GKv _vKeb, wbwiwewj
_vKeb ev gwWUkb Kieb Ab wPv bv Ki GB AUvmvRkbjv
PPv Kieb| hvZ gbQwe Avcwb mnR KiZ cvib, GRbB
AUvmvRkb| Avmj wbqZ mKj Kgi Azi, AUvmvRkb j ev
wbqZKB `q my`p wfw|

gbQwe evevwqZ nQ bv
ck : aib, gbQwei `yUv Ask| `yUv AskB m| GLb G
c_g gbQweUv evevwqZ nIqvi ci wZxq AskUv hw` evevwqZ bv nq
Ze m Kx Kiev?
Di : wZxq AskUv hw` evevwqZ bv nq gvb? evevwqZ ne bv
Kb? hLvb `yUv Ask mwKZ mLvb c_g gbQweUv evevwqZ
nIqvi ci wZxq AskUv hw` evevwqZ bv nq Zvnj mUvK AevnZ
ce 2 \ mvdj

61

ivLZ ne hZY ch mUv eve bv nQ|

aib, gvwUi wbP GKUv exR eybjb| evbvi ci mUv Aziv`Mg
nq MvQ nq dj w`Z Zv AvcbvK mgq w`Z ne| gbQweUv nQ
exR| GB exRUv _K Aziv`Mg nq MvQ nq dj w`Z h mgq
cqvRb Zv AvcbvK w`Z ne| hLbB cqvRbxq mgq `eb Avcwb
`Leb h, NUbv NUQ|
ck : Avgvi Rxebi j ek KZjv c iqQ| Gi ga hw`
Kvbv c evevwqZ bv nq ZLb Avgvi Kx Kiv DwPZ ne?
Di : Avmj gbQwe hw` P~ov j wbq nq Zvnj gaeZx Kvbv
avc evevwqZ bv njI wPwZ nIqvi wKQy bB| KviY mvdj
cZvwkZ cvq bv Gm AcZvwkZ cvqI AvmZ cvi| memgq gb
ivLZ neP~ov ji Avcwb Abo| wK G j ARbi
c_i AvcbvK bgbxq nZ ne| Sbv hgb evavK cvk KvwUq
Pj hvq AvcbvKI Zgwb GKwU ivv e nj weK ivv LuyR ei
KiZ ne|
ck : gbQwei hw` KLbv gb nq GUv AwRZ bv njI mgmv
bB, G aibi wPv wK gbQwe evevqbi c_ evav nZ cvi? nj
Gi mgvavb Kx?
Di : AekB evav nZ cvi| Avwg cavbgx nj fvjv nq GUv
Kvbv j bq, KZwKQy njB Zv fvjv nq| Avwg cavbgx nZ PvB
ev Avwg cavbgx nevGUv nQ j| Avwg cdmi nev, Avwg
Wvvi nev, Avwg abKzei nev, Avwg Bwwbqvi nevGUv nQ j|
imyjyj-vn (m)-Gi GKwU nv`xm, hUv evLvix kixdi c_g nv`xm
h, Bbvgvj Avgvjy web wbqZ| wbqZ nQ mKj Avgj A_vr mKj
KvRi Azi| exR Ges wbqZ ev Azii cv_K nQ exRi ga
ei mvebv my _vK Avi Azi ei mvebv cwqvi ga Pj
Avm| gbQwe nQ mvdji Azi|
H nv`xmi evLvq bexRx (m) wbRB ejQb, hw` KD Avj-vnK
cvIqvi Rb wnRiZ Ki, m Avj-vnK cve; hw` m Kvbv gwnjvK
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KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

cvIqvi Rb wnRiZ Ki, Zv gwnjvK cve| wnRiZ ki ggv_

nQ mevP K ^xKvi Kiv| A_vr gbQwei Rb mevP K ^xKvi
KiZ cZ _vKj ZeB Zv evevwqZ ne| Avi hw` gb nq bv
njI mgmv bBZvnj eySZ ne Avcwb hv fveQb Zv nQ
AvKvkKzmyg Kbv, gbQwe bq|
ck : wbqwgZ gwWUkb KiwQ| wK AbK mgq gbQwe mdj bv
nIqvq AvZwekvm nvwiq djwQ| mgvavb Kx?
Di : wbqwgZ gwWUkb mwVK cwqvq KiQb wK bv mUv AvcbvK
Lqvj KiZ ne| gwWUkbi c_g avc njv wkw_jvqb| Avcwb
nqZv gwWUkb KiQb, gbi evwoZ hvQb, Kbv KiQb, meB
KiQb| wK Avcwb nqZv h_vh_fve wkw_jB nZ cvib wb| hw`
wkw_j bv nZ cvib Avcbvi gbi Avqbv ^Q ne bv|
QweUv AuvKZ ne ckv gb| ckv gb Avcwb h Qwe AuvKeb
mB Qwe cwivi ne, my ne| h c`vq AbK jLv AvQ m
c`vqB Avcwb hw` bZzb Kvbv jLv jLb Zvnj m jLv KD
coZ cvie bv| hw` wkw_j bv nb Zvnj Avcbvi gb h Avqbv, GB
Avqbvi AuvwKeywKjv _K hve| bZzb jLv wjLZ nj AvM
c`vUvK cwivi KiZ ne|
hLb wkw_j Aevq gbQwe `Leb ZLb gbQwe fZi Mu_ hve,
gb AvcbvK eje h, Kx Kiv cqvRb| Kx KiZ ne| Kx KiZ
ne bv| Avi Gfve KvR Kivi ga w`qB `Leb h, Avcbvi gbQwe
mdj nQ, Avcbvi AvZwekvm evoQ| AvMvgx 40 w`b `yBejv wkw_j
cwZZ wkw_jvqb Kib| `Lebwkw_j nIqv Lye mnR nq MQ|
jvgvq wZb w`bi KvqvUvqb Kib| avbi i Aviv Mfxi ne|
KviY wkw_jvqbK Avq KiZ ne| Avmj wkw_jvqb nQ mKj
gwWUkbi Rbbx| wkw_jvqbK ejZ cvib gwWUkbi 1| Ab
me gwWUkbi gvb nQ k~b| 1 Gi Wvbcvk hZ k~b emveb ZZ
msLvgvb evoZ _vKe| wK 1 hw` bv _vK Ze AbK k~b wgjI
msLvgvb k~bB _K hve| AZGe wkw_jvqb Avq Gj gbQwe
evevwqZ nIqv mgqi evcvi gv|
ce 2 \ mvdj

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ck : gwWUkb Ki ivM wbivgq GZ ewk DcKvi cqwQ hv fvlvq

cKvk Kiv hvq bv| wK gbQwe evevqbi mKj kZ c~iY KiI
evevqb nq wb| G evcvi Aviv RvbZ PvB|
Di : Gi KviYUv njvivM wbivgqUv Avcwb `LZ cvQb|
cwZgyn~Z Abyfe KiZ cviQb h, Avcwb DcKvi cvQb| wK
gbQwe hZw`b ch evevwqZ bv nQ ZZY ch Zv Avcwb eySZ
cviQb bv| Avi gbQwe evevqbi Kvbv mgqmxgv bB| mRb
AvcbvK Acv KiZ ne|
Avgiv Avmj Lye `Z dj cZ PvB| AvRK gbQwe `Ljvg
fvwe, Kvj mKvj DVB `Levnq MQ| Avmj gbQwei wbw`
Kvbv mgq bB|
GKevi GK Qj Gjv| ZLb m Kvm Ub-G co| gwWUkb
Kvm Ki MQ gvm `yqK AvM| LyeB z nq wRm KiQ, iRx,
Avgvi gbQwe Zv njv bv| Avwg wRm Kijvg, Kx gbQwe wQjv
Zvgvi? m ejjv, Kvmi wZxq w`bB Avwg gbQwe KiwQ, Avwg
Wvvi nev| `yB gvm cvi nq Mj, GLbv Zv Avwg Wvvi njvg bv!
GB QjwUK Kx ejeb? Wvvi nIqvi Zv GKUv cwqv AvQ|
m Kvm Ub-G coQ, GmGmwm cvk Kie, GBPGmwm cvk Kie,
gwWKj fwZ ne| Kgc AvU eQi mgq Zv ZvK w`Z ne| Avi
mkbRU nj bq eQi| Avi Zv bv nj Zv Zvi c Wvvi nIqv
me bv| Zvi AvM m hw` Zvi cwievii mevBK wbqI gbQwe Ki
ZvnjI Kvbv jvf bB|

Rxeb Qwe Kgb ne

ck : Rxebi j ejZ Kx evSvq? Kxfve Zv `Lev?
Di : Rxebi g~j j njv cw_exZ gvbyl wnme Avcbvi AvMgbK
A_en Kiv| Avi Zvi Dcvq njv wbRK wRm Kiv h, Kb GmwQ
Avwg, Kx KiZ PvB| GKUvB Zv Rxeb| G RxebUvK Avwg Kxfve :
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KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

DcfvM KiZ PvB, mgqUvK Kxfve eq KiZ PvB, Pvicvki

gvbyli KvQ _K Avwg Kx PvB? Zv`iK Kx w`Z PvB? G ckjvi
DiB nQ Rxebi j, Rxebi gbQwe ev RxebQwe| Gi Aviv
mnR Dcvq nQAvcwb wbRi gZz msev`K Kxfve `LZ Pvb,
bZ Pvb mUvK AejvKb Kiv| KviY GKRb KxwZgvb gvbyli gZy
msev`B _vK Zvi Rxebi me Ae`vbi K_v| Avcbvi myweav_
GLvb Zgwb GKwU KvwbK msev`i weeiY `qv njv

Wv. Zvmbxg Rvnvb Avi bB

MZ 20 g ivZ 11Uvq XvKvi jkvb wbR evmfeb BKvj KiQb
cLvZ wPwKrmvwevbx cdmi Wv. Zvmbxg Rvnvb (Bbvwjj-vn -----ivRDb)| gZzKvj Zvi eqm nqwQjv 70 eQi| Dcgnv`k wKWwb
ivMi wPwKrmv I MelYvi AbZg GB w`KcvjK nvwiq `ki
meii gvbyli ga bg GmQ Mfxi kvKi Qvqv| AvR ev`
Rvni bvgvR Rvbvhvi ci Zvi jvk MvRxcyi Zvi cwZwZ
wekwe`vjqi Mvivb `vdb Kiv ne|
Rb I Qjejv
cdmi Zvmbxg Rvnvb 1941 mvj eZgvb bxjdvgvix Rjvi
mq`cyii GK mvaviY cwievi RbMnY Kib| cuvP evb wZb fvBqi
ga wZwb wQjb ZZxq| ijIqi GKRb mvaviY KgPvix evevi c
AvU mvbK jLvcov kLvbv me wQjv bv| ZvB eo `yB evbK A
eqmB weq w`q `b| wK QvU Zvmbxgi covkvbvi cwZ cej
AvMn `L Zv`i eo QjwUi m ZvKI zj cvVvb gv-evev|
AmvaviY gavi cwiPq w`q AwPiB `w AvKlY Kib wkK`i|
zji cwZwU cixvq dv nZb wZwb| mvgvwRK I mvswZK
KgKvI bZZ w`qQb| Ag kYxZ covi mgq mncvVx`i wbq
Mo Zvjb wKkvi-wKkvix`i msMVb AvgivI cvwi, hv`i cavb
KvR wQjv Kbvwk`i zj cvVvZ AwffveK`i Dy Kiv|
wkv I KgRxeb
gwUK I BUviwgwWqU`yB cixvqB Wv. Zvmbxg Rvnvb mwwjZ
gavZvwjKvq h_vg ZZxq Ges c_g vb jvf Kib| Gici
ce 2 \ mvdj

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gwWKj fwZ cixvq cg vb jvf Ki wZwb XvKv gwWKj KjR

fwZ nb| GgweweGm mbi ci KvbvWv miKvii ew wbq wZwb Pj
hvb weLvZ gvKwMj gwWKj zj| KwZZi mv_ GgwW wWwM
ARbi ci wZwb hyivRi LvZbvgv `ywU gwWKj zj _K
GKBmv_ `ywU cv MvRyqU wWwM mb Kib|
GgAviwmwc-Z wZwb c_g vb AwaKvi Kib Ges c_g Gkxq
wnme nvfvW BDwbfvwmwUZ wKWwb wekl wnme hvM `b| Gici
BDwbfvwmwU Ae mvD`vb dvwiWv Ges BDwbfvwmwU Ae wgbmvUvq
wkKZvi ci wZwb hvM `b gwijvi Rb ncwK BDwbfvwmwUi
wKWwb Uvc-vU wefvM| wPwKrmvmyweav Ges mevgvbi weePbvq Rb
ncwK gwWKj nmwcUvjK hyiv GK b^i weePbv Kiv nq|
MelYv
wPwKrmvwevb Zvi Abb Ae`vbi Rb wZwb wPiiYxq nq
_vKeb| 1991 mvj gvKwMji bdvjwR BbwwUDU wZwb GKwU
MelYv cK cwZv Kib hv eZgvb wcGBPwW wWwMI c`vb KiQ|
Zvi AbKjv MelYvi GKwU njv wKWwbi i cixv| Gi AvM
wKWwb dBwjIii NUbvK AvMfvM kbv Kivi Kvbv Dcvq wQjv
bv| wK Zvi DvweZ cwqvq gvivZK chvq Pj hvevi AvMB Zv
kbv Kiv me nQ Ges cqvRbxq wPwKrmv MnYi gvag euvPvbv
hvQ g~jevb Rxeb|
Wv. Zvmbxg wQjb GKRb ewZgx wPwKrmK| ivMxK evwnKfve
cixv KiB mwVKfve ivM wbYqi GK AyZ gZv wQjv Zvi|
Kxfve wZwb GUv Kib, RvbZ PvIqvq cdmi Zvmbxg ejwQjb
ivMxi cwZ mggwgZv, AvwiKZv I gbvhvMB ZvK Z_ hvMvq|
`k cZveZb
wKWwb ivM Zvi wPwKrmv I MelYvi AwfZvK `ki mevq KvR
jvMvbvi Rb we`ki mdj Kvwiqvi, LvwZ, hk mewKQyK Dcv
Ki Wv. Zvmbxg Rvnvb 1995 mvj wdi Avmb `k| eez kL
gywRe gwWKj wekwe`vjqi bdvjwR wefvMi cwZvZv cwiPvjK
wnme i Kib `k Zvi bZzb KgRxeb| evsjv`k wKWwb
wPwKrmvq cv MvRyqU wkvi wZwbB cw_Kr| 2005 mvj Zvi
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KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

D`vM MvRxcyi cwZwZ nq Gwkqvi eng wbevY wKWwb

nvmcvZvj| G KvR wZwb eq Kib Zvi MelYvj A_i cyivUvB|
myjf AvaywbKZg wPwKrmvmevi Rb GwU GLb wekLvZ GKwU
cwZvbi bvg| mB mv_ wPwKrmvwevbi QvQvx`i KvQ wKWwb
wPwKrmvwkvi GKwU cxVvb|
`wi` I myweavewZ`i Rb Wv. Zvmbxg wQjb GKRb
wbew`ZcvY wPwKrmK| cwZ mvn webv wd ev bvggv wd-Z wZwb
`LZb kZ kZ ivMx| eQii GKwU wbw` mgq mviv`k Nyi
AvqvRb KiZb wKWwb gwWKj Kv|
mvbbv
miv wKWwb wekl Ges 45 eQiiI Kg eqm mePq ewkmsLK
wPwKrmvwelqK MelYvi Rb wZwb jvf Kib `ywU mvbRbK cyivi|
1993 mvj cdmi Zvmbxg Rb ncwKi wdwRwkqvb Ae Abvm wbhy
nb| wZwbB c_g Gkxq whwb G mvb f~wlZ njb| Avi
wPwKrmvwevb AbbmvaviY Ae`vbi Rb ^vaxbZv c`Kmn GKvWwg
Ad mvq, wek ^v msvi viK ^Yc`K, Mvx kvw cyivi
BZvw` AmsL mvbbvq f~wlZ nb| wZwb evsjv`ki c_g gwnjv
RvZxq AavcK| cw_exi wewfb wekwe`vjq _K jvf KiQb
40wUiI ewk mvbm~PK WiU|
AvgwiKv, BDivc I Gwkqvi wewfb wPwKrmvwelqK mwgbvi
wmvwRqvg wZwb Zvi MelYv I wPwKrmv AwfZvi Ici eZv
w`qQb| gyLvgywL nqQb wewewm, wmGbGb, UvBg I wbDRDBKmn
wekLvZ wUwf Pvbj I msev`ci|
jLvjwL
G ch Zvi 360wUiI ewk MelYv wbe cKvwkZ nqQ wekmiv me
gwWKj Rvbvj| Gme Rvbvji mv`Kxq jLvi `vwqZI wZwb cvjb
KiQb wewfb mgq| gwWKj yjjvZ Zvi jLv eB, Rvbvj
QvQvx`i AvewkK cvVi Afy| GKvWwgK jLvjwLi cvkvcvwk
AvZ Dbqb welqI wZwb wbqwgZ jLvjwL KiQb| Zvi Rvwb
UzIqvWm mvKmm eBwU Uvbv 21 mvn ai wbDBqK UvBgm e mjvi
ZvwjKvq wQjv|
ce 2 \ mvdj

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mvsMVwbK Rxeb
gZyi AvM ch Wv. Zvmbxg AmsL ckvRxex msMVb QvovI `wkwe`wk AbKjv `vZe I KjvYg~jK msMVbi iZc~Y `vwqZ
cvjb KiQb| mdU I GbvwR wWsKmweivax mPZbZv Av`vjb
Dcgnv`kevcx wZwb bZZ w`qQb| wevbwkv I MelYvi cmvi
Ges bvixwkvi RbI wZwb KvR KiQb| mwi mevq Abb msMVb
KvqvUvg dvDkbi wZwb wQjb GKRb mwq m`m| A_ mgq
gav I kg w`q dvDkbi mevg~jK cKjvZ Ask wbZ eZv
KLbv Zvi ARynvZ nq wb|
ewRxeb
ewRxeb wZwb wQjb AZ myLx Ges mdj gvbyl| Zvi ^vgx cdmi
Wv. dIRyj Kwig GKRb wbDivjwR| wZwb XvKv gwWKj KjR
nvmcvZvji wbDivmvRvwi wefvMi mveK cavb| Zvi `yB gq `yB
Qj| eo gq dviw`b Kwig KvwWIjwR, KgiZ AvQb evsjv`k
`ivM nvmcvZvj| QvU gq dvwiqv Kwig GKRb LvZbvgv
AvwKU| eo Qj eyjv` Kwig GKRb ZiY wPcwiPvjK, Zvi
wbwgZ weK avivi PjwPjv BZvgaB evvgnj Avjvob mw
KiQ| QvU Qj mb Kwig GKRb c`v_we`|
wcq cvVK, RxebQwe Kgb nIqv DwPZGwU Zvi GKwU KvwbK
D`vniY| AvcwbI wbRi gZv Ki mvwRq wbZ cvib G RxebQwe|
Zvici cwZw`b gwWUkb KiZ _vKzb| mBmv_ jM _vKzb cvYv
cqvm| mnR ^Zt~ZZvqB Avcwb Geb gbQwe evevqbi c_|

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fvjv iRv Kb
ck : Avwg `LZ mykx bB| Pvicvki gvbyli mv_I gZi wgj nq
bv| gvS gvSB nxbbZvq fywM| Kvm Kivi ci Avgvi AvZwekvm
eoQ wK covkvbvi evoQ bv, G Kx Kiv DwPZ?
Di : DiUv i Kwi GKUv M w`q
kv meyR GK Qv Mvg| dmj fiv gvV, Mvqvj fiv Mi Avi
DVvb fiv nuvm-gyiwM wbq mQj Mvgi cwZwU Ni| G MvgiB GK
Mni evwoZ GKevi GK gyiwM Zv w`q dvUvjv AbKjv Qvbv|
wK GwK! gyiwMQvbv`i m wWg dzU eivbv H wK~ZwKgvKvi
QvbvwU K? `LZ nuvmi gZv| wK Kx Kzkx Avi K`vKvi! Kx Ki
Gjv GLvb? KbB ev m Ab`i Pq Avjv`v?
Mn evwoi GK wPjZ DVvb Rxeb i njv Zvi| KD ZvK
fvjevm bv| myhvM cjB QvU Qj-gqiv LuvPvq, gyiwMQvbviv
Zvov Ki, KvK fq `Lvq| Lvevi Zvi AveRbv Avi Mni dj `qv
SzUvKuvUv, Zv-I evwKiv Lq hvevi ci hv cvIqv hvq| GKgv Avcb
Zvi gvgv gyiwM| me So-SvcUvi gaI GB gvqi KvQB LyuR cvq
GKUz Avkq|
GfveB PjwQjv Rxeb| Av Av eo nq DVQ m| gvS gvS
m Abyfe KiZv Rvi `ovZ wMq m hb LvwbKUv fmI hZ
cvi| wK G wbq Avi gv_v Nvgvq wb m|
GKw`bi K_v| Kvbv KviY me gyiwMQvbviv wgj Zvov Kijv
ZvK| cvYcY QzUZ QzUZ Mvgi GKevi kl cv GK n`i
avi wMq _gK Mj| GLb m Kx Kie? Avi GKUz GjB h n`
co hve| wK m Zv KLbv cvwbZ bvg wb| cQvbviI Kvbv
Dcvq bB| Gw`K Zvi gv-gyiwMI cQb cQb QzU GmQ|
nVvr cvwbZ PvL Mj Zvi| wbRi cwZwe^ `L PgK DVjv m|
Gici `w Mj H cvoi GK SuvK nuvmi w`K| Kx Avh! e Zvi
gZvB `LZ| AevK weq m GKevi ZvKvQ H nuvm`i w`K,
GKevi Zvi gvqi w`K, Avi GKevi n`i cvwbZ Zvi cwZwe^i
w`K| m Zv Zvi gvqi gZv bq, bq GZw`b hv`i mv_ KvwUqQ
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mB gyiwMQvbv`i gZv| eis gi`k _K nvRvi gvBj cvwo w`q

Avmv H cwihvqx cvwL`i GKRb m| kxZvZ cwiek _K euvPZ
bvwZkxZvgj Do Avmv GK gv-cvwLi wWg _K NUbvP hvi
Rb nqwQjv H Mni evwoZ|
Kx Aejxjvq nuvmjv DoQ, cvwbZ bvgQ! m-I Zv Zv-B cvi!
eySjv mGB Zvov LvIqv, AveRbv LuyU LvIqvi Rxeb Zvi bq,
bxj AvKvki DuPyZ nvRvi nvRvi gvBj cvwo `qvi `wnK mvg_
wbq RbQ m|
c_gevii gZv m wbRK Rvbjv| eySjv, Mni DVvbi z`
Mw Qo ZvK Dovj w`Z ne Ab AvKvk| `yduvUv PvLi Rj
dj gv-gyiwMI ZvK we`vq Rvbvjv| KviY z` ggZvi eb w`q m
Zvi Qvbvi mvebvK Mwe KiZ Pvq wb| bfvbxwjgvq Wvbv gj
w`jv nuvmQvbv AvZcwiPq mwi bZzb Awfhvvq|
MwU GRbB ejv h, GB nuvmQvbvwUi Rxebi m AvcwbI
nqZv wgj LuyR cveb| QvUejvq nqZv fvjv iRv KiZb| wK
GKmgq Lvivc Kivi ci _K wbRK Lvivc QvQvx`i `jB gb
KiZ jvMjb Avcwb| gv-evev, wkK ev AvZxq-ez`i bwZevPK
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bv| Avi KLbv fvjv KiZ cviev bv|
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ckvRxeb hKvbv AvcvZ DuPz j cuQZ| hywmZ cwZwU
PvIqvK cvIqvq icvwiZ KiZ|
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eemvqxiB Kvbv Dj-LhvM wkvMZ hvMZv bB| ZvB jLvcovq
fvjv Kiv Avgvi j ARb KZUv `iKvi Avwg Zv eySZ cviwQ bv|
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gbQwe `Lev?
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Di : cvwZvwbK wkvMZ hvMZv bBGgb mdj eemvqx hgb

AvQb, Zgwb AbK mdj eemvqx AvQb hviv wkvMZ w`K _K
AZ hvM| Avgv`i DwPZ hv`i cvwZvwbK wkv bB Zv`i w`K
bv ZvwKq hv`i AvQ Zv`i w`K ZvKvbv| KviY hviv cvwZvwbK
wkvq wkwZ, Zv`i c Lye `fve cwZwU evcvi bZZ w`q
eemv MvQvbv mnR|
wK h eemvqx cvwZvwbKfve wkwZ bb, AwaKvsk Zvi
KviY nZ cvi wZwb jLvcovi myhvM cvb wb Ges Lye A eqm _K
ZvK nqZv eemvi KvR i KiZ nqQ Ges AbK PovB-DrivB
cwiq wZwb AvR GKRb mdj eemvqx| ZviciI Zvi GB wkvMZ
hvMZvi Afve wK _KB MQ| wekl Ki Zvi eemv hZ weZ
nqQ, ZZB Zvi cqvRb nqQ AvaywbK wekl wkvq wkwZ `
GwwKDwUf`i, hv`iK w`q wZwb KvRjv Kivb|
G wbq GK gRvi M AvQ|
`ki GK eo wkcwZ| jLvcov RvbZb bv| wK Zvi AbK
eo eo eemv wQjv; we`ki mv_I jb`b wQjv| G iKgB GK
we`wk eemvqxi m GK eVK Zvi `iKlvKwl nQ| BsiwR bv
Rvbvi KviY wZwb PzcPvc em AvQb| hv K_vevZv ejvi ev kvbvi Zv
ejQb BsiwR Rvbv Zvi ` gvbRvi|
AbKY ai K_v ejvi ci wKQy bv eySjI GUzKz eySZ cvijb
h, A GKUzi Rb mgSvZv nQ bv| GLb Bqm ejjB nq|
ZLb wZwb Aah nq DVjb Ges Bqm ej nvZ evwoq w`jb|
we`wk cwZwbwa Zv Dj-wmZ| KviY m wRZ Mj| Avi Gw`K Zvi
gvbRvi weq nZevK! KviY AvjvPbvwUK wbR`i AbyKj wbq
Avmvi cvq AvM gyn~ZB Zvi gvwjK Bqm ej djvq Zvi Avi Kivi
wKQy iBjv bv Ges H GKwU Bqm-Gi Rb Zv`i eemvwqK wZ
nqwQjv gv(!) `o KvwU UvKv! ci Aek wZwb b Avdmvm
KiQb| wK g~j mgmvB wQjv jLvcov bv Rvbvi KviY wbRi
gvbRvi Ges we`wk eemvqxi K_vcK_b wZwb eySZ cvib wb Ges
fyj wmv wbq djwQjb|
A_vr wbR wkwZ bv nj GKRb mdj eemvqxI weo^bvi gyL
cob| Avi mdj nIqvi AvM ch ZvK Ab`i Zzjbvq h KZ
ce 2 \ mvdj

73

evavi myLxb nZ nq Zvi Kvbv kl bB| ZvB cvwZvwbK wkvq

wkwZ nj mdj eemvqx nIqv wbtm`n mnRZi| Avi cvwZvwbK
wWwM QvovI Avcwb ^wkwZ nZ cvib| hKvbvfveB nvK, wkwZ
nj Avcbvi weo^bv AbK Kg hve|
Avcbvi gbQwe neAvcwb cvwZvwbK wkvq fvjv KiQb, KviY
cvwZvwbK wkv GKRb mdj eemvqxK Aviv GwMq be|
ck : A covZB wei nq hvB| Kxfve covq gbvhvMx nZ cvwi?
Di : Gi mgvavb njv, Kb Avcwb coQb m mK my aviYv
_vKv| hviv fvjv iRv Kib Zviv wK KLbv fveb bv ev ejb bv
h, coZ Zv`i wei jvM| KviY covi mydjUv Zv`i Rvbv AvQ|
Zviv Rvbb, Kvm c_g nj Kx Kx myweav cvIqv hve Ges Gi Rb
K ^xKvi KiZI Zviv cZ| AvcbvK RvbZ ne Kb Avcwb
fvjv Kieb| fvjv iRv Ggb GK ARb hv AvcbvK `e mnR
^xKwZ, mvb I MnYhvMZvAb`i hv AbK KvVLo cywoq cZ
nq| gv-evev wkK I ezgnj hgb wZwb cvb G iZ Zgwb
hKvbv Avmi wZwb nb AvKlYi K`we`y|
wkvRxeb Ges KgRxeb cwZhvwMZvq GwMq _vKvi cvkvcvwk
Rxeb c_g nIqvi c_ nq AbK mnR| hviv cvwZvwbK jLvcovq
fvjv iRvi gvag ^xKwZ cvq Zviv Rxeb c_g nIqvi c_
AaK GwMq hvq| KviY cvwZvwbK wWwM, vb I Z_ GKRb gvbyli
Pjvi c_K AbK mnR Ki, Zivw^Z Ki| Aek G vb ay cyuw_MZ
vb bq| wK GKRb Kvm c_g nIqvi ci G vb ARbi myhvM
^vfvweKfveB ewk|
KvRB Avcwb coZ em fveebco Avcbvi Kx Kx jvf ne,
c_g nq Avcwb Kx Kx cveb| ZLbB `Leb coZ Avcbvi weiw
AvmQ bv, eis GK covi ci AviK cov wbq emZ PvBeb|
ck : QvUejv _K Avwg KLbv fvjv iRv Kwi wb| Avgvi KvQ
gb nq, hviv fvjv iRv Ki Zviv eva nq Avjv`v wKQy| Avwg wK
fvjv iRv KiZ cviev?
74

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Di : Kb cvieb bv? Avmj Avgv`i GKUv fyj aviYv njv, cwZfv

MW-wMdUW GKUv evcvi| mvg_i mevP Pv bv KiB wbR`i
gZv-`Zv-cwZfvi GKUv mxgviLv Ub w`B Avgiv| ewj,
AvBbvBb GKRbB nqQb| eUvfbi gZv myimvI Avi KD
nZ cvie bv|
A_P GUv h KZ fyj GKwU aviYv, Zv wbq ixwZgZv
MelYvwfwK GKwU eB `v wRwbqvm Bb Aj Ad Avm-G jLK
WwfW kvsK `wLqQb, Avmj Cki c` bq, eis A`g BQv Avi
cPvi dmjB njv cwZfv| wZwb ejb, wRwbqvm nIqvi wRb mevi
gaB AvQ| mwVK `wfwi Afve Avgiv fZii AvjvUv ei Ki
AvbZ cvwi bv| webq ^c BQvkw Avi j Quvqvi AUzU msK
_vKj hKvbv eqm AvcwbI nZ cvib wekLvZ cwZfvi AwaKvix|
QvUejv _K Avcwb KLbv fvjv iRv KiZ cvib wb| Zvi
gvb GB bq h, Avcwb AvMvgxZ fvjv KiZ cvieb bv| Avmj
fvjv iRv KivUv LyeB mnR, KiZ PvBjB Kiv hvq| GRb
wRwbqvm ev AmvaviY gavex ev kwZai nIqvi `iKvi bB| Mvq
Mvq cvBfU wUPvi ev fvjv zj wKsev abx gv-evevi mvb nIqvI
fvjv iRvi kZ bq| fvjv iRvi Rb cqvRb gv `ywU
wRwbm| GKAvZwekvm, `yBA`g BQv|
W. we Avi Av^`Kii K_vB aib| Zvi Rb 19 kZKi klfvM,
wewUk fviZi ga c`k GK `wi` cwievi| wQjb gv-evevi PZz`k
mvb| Ack nwiRb nIqvq zj ZvK emZ nZv Kvmi evBi
eviv`vq| GgbwK Zv cj zji DPeYi `ix Quvqv euvwPq Ici
_K cvwb Xj bv `qv ch cvwb cvbi AbygwZUyKzI wQjv bv Zvi|
GUv cixv w`Z 19 gvBj `~ii cixvK` hvwQjb wZwb|
wK gvSc_ Mvovqvb ZvK Mii Mvwo _K bvwgq w`qwQjv
Ack nIqvi Aciva| GZwKQyi ciI nvi gvbb wb| `vwi` Avi
ivM-kvKi wei jovB Ki euP hvIqv gv cuvP fvB-evbi GK
Rb wQjb Av^`Ki Ges GKgv wZwbB civb nvBzji Mw|
fviZi BwZnvm wZwbB c_g `wjZ mc`vqi m`m whwb KjR
fwZ nb| cieZxZ Kjvw^qv BDwbfvwmwU I jb zj Ad BKbwgK&m
_K AvBb I A_bxwZZ DPZi wWwMmn ARb Kib KqKwU WiU|
ce 2 \ mvdj

75

`k wdi GKRb cwZwZ AvBbRxexi cvkvcvwk wZwb nq IVb

mgKvjxb ivRbxwZi AbZg iZc~Y ewZ| `wjZ mc`vqi
AwaKvi ivi Av`vjb RxebK DrmM Kib|
^vaxb fviZi msweavb cYqbi i`vwqZ cvjb Ki evev
Av^`Ki bvg fviZel wZwb nq IVb meRbkq| cwZeQi Zvi
Rb I gZyw`em nvRviv gvbyl mgeZ nq Zvi wZma| Avcbvi
Aev wbqB evev Av^`Kii Pq Lvivc bq| Zvnj Avcwb Kb
cvieb bv?
Avmj Avcwb h cviebm cgvY w`qB Avcwb cw_exZ
GmQb| gvZMf GKwU wW^vYyi mv_ wgwjZ nIqvi Rb wcZvi `n
_K h 30 _K 50 KvwU vYy hvv i KiwQjv, Avcwb nQb
mB GKwUgv vYyi weKwkZ ic, h wW^vYyi mv_ wgwjZ nZ
ciwQjv| 30/ 50 KvwUi mv_ cwZhvwMZvq Rqx nqwQjb ejB
Avcwb cw_exZ AvmZ ciwQjb|
wbRi gbv`wnK cwqvK GKUz eySZ Pv KijB GB Avv I
AvZwekvm AbKY eo hve| weki mvZk KvwU gvbyli ga
Avcwb Abb| ZvB Kvm c_g nIqv _K i Ki Rxebi cwZwU
hywmZ PvIqvK Avcwb cvIqvq icvwiZ KiZ cvieb Kej hw`
wekvm KiZ cvib|
ck : Avwg PZz_ kYxZ cwo| cPzi covjLv KiI Avwg cov kl
KiZ cvwi bv| Kx Kij covjLv kl ne?
Di : hviv fvjv iRv Kib Zviv h ivZw`b cob Zv bq| Zviv
Avmj Kg mgq ewk cob| Kg mgq ewk covi GB UKwbKB
njv KvqvUv wiwWs| G cwZZ cvVeBqi AcqvRbxq kjv ev`
w`q cqvRbxq kjvB Avcwb coeb Ges gb ivLeb| hgb,
wbPi cvivMvdwU cob
wewfb z` z` Aji RbMY wbR wbR Aji fvlvq K_v ej|
Gjv AvwjK K_ fvlv ev Dcfvlv| cw_exi me fvlvqB Dcfvlv
AvQ| GK Aji RbMYi gyLi fvlvi m Aci Aji RbMYi
gyLi fvlvi h_ cv_K `Lv hvq| dj Ggb nq h, GK Aji
76

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

fvlv Ab Aji jvKi KvQ `yeva nq IV| D`vniY^ic ejv

hvq, PMvg Aji mvaviYi K_ fvlv w`bvRcyi ev iscyii
jvK`i Rb Lye mnReva bq| G aibi AvwjK fvlvK ejvi I
jLvi fvlv wnme mveRbxb ^xKwZ `qv myweavRbK bq| KviY ZvZ
wewfb Aji fvlvfvlx`i ga fvei Av`vbc`vb Aivq `Lv
w`Z cvi| m KviY `ki wkwZ I cwZmgvR GKwU Av`k fvlv
eenvi Kib| evsjv fvlvfvlx wkwZ RbMY G Av`k fvlvZB
cviwiK Avjvc-AvjvPbv I fvei Av`vbc`vb Ki _vKb|
wewfb Aji K_ fvlvi mg^q wkRbi eeZ G fvlvB Av`k
PwjZ fvlv|
Gevi cob wbPi cvivMvdwU
z` z` Aji RbMY wbR Aji fvlvq K_v ej| Gjv
AvwjK K_ fvlv ev Dcfvlv| cw_exi me fvlvqB Dcfvlv AvQ|
wewfb Aji fvlvi h_ cv_K `Lv hvq| Ab Aji jvKi
KvQ `yeva nq IV| PMvg Aji K_ fvlv w`bvRcyi ev iscyi
mnReva bq| mveRbxb ^xKwZ `qv myweavRbK bq| fvei
Av`vbc`vb Aivq `Lv w`Z cvi| `ki wkwZ I cwZmgvR
GKwU Av`k fvlv eenvi Kib| G fvlvB Av`k PwjZ fvlv|
c_g cvivMvdi AcqvRbxq kjv hv c_gevi covi ci Avi
Avcbvi covi `iKvi bB mjv ev` w`q mw nqQ cii
cvivMvdwU| Lqvj Ki `Lyb, c_g cvivMvd _K gb ivLv `iKvi
Ggb me K_vB AvQ cii cvivMvd| KvqvUv wiwWsq Avcbvi covi
MwZ ay evoe Zv-B bq, evoe gbvhvM I evSvi gZv| KviY axi
coZ MjB gbvhvM QzU hvq|
ck : wjLZ Mj Avgvi nvZ Kuvc| jLv Lvivc nq hvq| nvZi
jLv my`i KiZ Avwg Kx AUvmvRkb Abykxjb Kiev?
Di : Avcwb gbQwe `Leb h, my`i I ^vfvweKfve Avcwb wjLZ
cviQb| Avcbvi nvZ Kuvc wK bvG wbq fveZ hveb bv| Avi
AUvmvRkb `eb, Avwg mnR ^vfvweKfve wjLwQ| Avwg memgq
mnR ^vfvweKfve wjLev|
ce 2 \ mvdj

77

ck : Avwg QvUejvq Lye fvjv Qv wQjvg| wK Xvwe-Z fwZ nIqvi

ci `xNw`b gbvhvM w`q covkvbv Kwi bv| covi K_v gb nj
fvjv jvM bv, ci coev ej iL w`Z BQ Ki, Kx KiZ cvwi?
Di : Avmj GB h ci coev ej iL `qvGLvb _K
AvcbvKB ewiq AvmZ ne| KviY KD hw` wbR D`vMx bv nq
Zvi fvjv KD KiZ cvi bv| GKUv D`vniY `B|
Rb Zvi mvbvi PvgP gyL wbq| cvqive`i wekvj Rwg`vi
evwoZ wejvm DcKiY Avi `vm`vmx cwiewZ Rxeb eo DVQb|
wK hZ eo nQb GKUz GKUz Ki eySZ cviwQjb fvB`i mv_ Zvi
elg evoQ| eo `yfvBK zj cvVvjI Zv`i `yevbK _vKZ njv
Ni| KviY coZ Mj c`v b nq hve| ZviciI cej AvMni
KviY fvBqi KvQB cvV wbZ jvMjb| evsjv cov wbwl njI
jywKq jywKq mUvI Avq Ki djb fvBqiB mnhvwMZvq|
14 eQi eqm weq nq Mj| Ze Zvi ^vgx wQjb gygbv GK
AvjvwKZ gvbyl| gavi weKvk cqQb ^vgxi c~Y mnhvwMZv| wK
G myL-mfvM vqx njv bv| gv 31 eQi eqm weaev njb| `yUv
gq nq gviv Mj wkeqmB| ewMZ kvKK cwiYZ Kijb
ewZi Rb KvR Kivi kwZ| ^vgxi gZyi Qq gvmi gv_vq
fvMjcyi gv cuvP Rb Qvx wbq i Kijb gq`i GKwU zj|
KviY wZwb eySwQjb GKgv wkvB cvi evOvwj gymwjg bvixK gywi
c_ `LvZ|
h mgq jLvcovK gb Kiv nZv bvixi c`vi Ljvc wnme,
mB mgq G D`vM wbZ wMq ZvK KZ jovB KiZ nqwQjv Zv
mnRB Abygq| evwo evwo wMq Qvx hvMvo KiQb| nvZ Kjg
Zzj wbqQb G elgi wei jLvi Rb| mBmv_ AmvaviY wKQy
M bvUK Dcbvm Avi we`c iPbv w`q mg KiQb evsjv
mvwnZK| wZwb eMg ivKqv| evOvwj gymwjg bvixi gywi AM`~Z|
evOvwj bvix`i AvRKi h ^vaxbZv, h AwaKvi mPZbZv GwU Zvi
cwikgiB dmj| wZwb cwikgB Avb` cZb| gZzi AvMi w`bI
ivZ 11Uv ch zji KvR KiQb| bvixi AwaKvi kxlK GKwU iPbv
wjLZ wjLZ jLvi UwejB kl wbtkvm ZvM Kib wZwb|
78

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

GKRb bvix nq eMg ivKqv GZ wei cwiek hfve

joQb Zv GK AbymiYxq `v| Avmj D`vM memgq wbRKB
wbZ nq| wbRi ^c wbRKB evevqb KiZ nq| fvjv iRvi
RbI D`vMx nZ ne AvcbvKB| Avcbvi gv evev fvB evb ev
cvBfU wUDUi ev Ab KDB kZ D`vMx nqI wKQyB KiZ cvie bv
hw` Avcwb wbR e`jvZ bv Pvb|
ck : Avwg eyqU Bwwbqvwisq covkvbv KiZ PvB| wK memgq
gb nq Avwg Zv cviev bv| wbRK nZvk I `y`kvM gb nq| Avgvi
DwPZ GBPGmwmZ fvjv Kiv| wK cixv, covkvbv Zgb fvjv
nQ bv, Kxfve G _K cwivY cvIqv hvq `qv Ki ejeb wK?
Di : AvcbvK BwZevPK nZ ne| memgq BwZevPK K_v ejyb|
eve Aev Lvivc njI cKvk Kib BwZevPKfve| hgbGZ Kg
b^i cjvg, Avgvi wKQy ne bv| bv fe fveyb Avwg bvfvm nq
cixv Lvivc w`qwQ| AbK fyj KiwQ| Gici _K Avi bvfvm nj
Pje bv| fyjjvi w`K bRi ivLZ ne| GKevii b^i Lvivc wbq
fe jvf bB| cii evii Rb Zwi nZ ne|
wbRK fvjevmyb| Kx cvib bv ev KZ wKQz cvib wb, Zv wbq
gv_v bv Nvwgq Avcwb Kx cvib Ges GLb Kx KiZ cvib Zv wbq
fveyb| Clv bv Ki ev nxbbZvq bv fyM h Y I `Zvi KviY
AviKRb Avcbvi Pq wcq nQ, cksmv cvQ mUvK Avq Kivi
Pv Kib|
mgmv ev evav cj Gwoq bv wMq mgmvi gyLvgywL nvb|
cvjveb bv| cvjvj Avcwb Avcbvi Abb ebK Kvbv myhvMB
w`jb bv| bv cvivUvK cvivq icvii Rb hv hv Kiv `iKvi Zv-B
Kib| wKQyYi gaB `Leb Avcwb cviQb| Avcbvi ga
AvZwekvm Avi AvZ Avwevii Avb` mw ne| Avi GKevi G
cwqvq Af nj Avcwb `Leb, GKi ci GK v wekvmK
fvOvi GK Ab nv Avcbvi ga mw nqQ| KviY mgmvi gyL
cvjvbvi BQv gvbyli gb c_g RvMjI ^fveRvZfve m PvjK
cQ` Ki|
ce 2 \ mvdj

79

gbvhvM evovZ
ck : coZ em Avgvi gbvhvM wKQyZB AbKY ai ivLZ cvwi
bv| AmsjM wPv gv_vq fi Ki, hvi dj gbvhvM wQb nq hvq|
Kvbv welqi Ici AL gbvhvM ai ivLv wK mwZB Ame?
Di : Ame Kb ne? AekB me Ges mUv Lye mnR| KLb? hLb
Avcwb Rvbeb h, Kb Avcwb coQb| hLb Avcwb eySeb, GB
covUv fvjvfve Kivi gvagB Avcwb cixvq fvjv iRv KiZ
cvieb Ges Avcbvi c avc avc GwMq hvIqv me, ZLbB Avcwb
AvMnx neb| Avi AvMn _vKj hKvbv KvR gbvhvM GgwbZB
Avm| A_vr AvcbvK RvbZ ne h, Kb GB KvRUv iZc~Y|
mB mv_ KvqvUvg g_W eBq Dwj-wLZ `yB wgwbU gbvhvM
AbykxjbwU wbqwgZ KiZ cvib| A_vr GKwU NwoK mvgb wbq Nwoi
mKi KuvUvq GKUvbv `ywgwbU PvL ivLv Ges G mgqi ga hZevi
gb Nwoi mKi KuvUv Qvov AbwKQy fveZ PqQ m msLvUv
wnme Kiv| c_gw`K GB msLvUv Lye ewk nZ cvi| GgbI nZ
cvi h, `ywgwbU 25 evi gb wew nqQ| wK wbqwgZ PPv KiZ
KiZ GKUv mgq Ggb ne h, `ywgwbU GKeviI gb wew nQ bv|
KviY wbw` welq _K mi MjB gbK Avevi ai Avbv nQ| dj
gbvhvM eRvq ivLvUvB GKUv Afvm cwiYZ nq| GQvov gbvhvM
k~bvqbi AbykxjbxI KiZ cvib hv KvqvUvg g_W eBq AvQ|
covkvbvq gbvhvM ewZ QvQvx`i Rb G `ywU cwZ
PgrKvifve KvR KiZ cvi|
Avi gbvhvM evovbvi AviKwU mnR Dcvq nQ cwZwU welq
^vej^x nIqv| KviY GKRb wkv_x hZ ^vej^x ne ZZ m evR
KvR, hgb Uwjdvb wiwmf Kiv, wUwf `Lv BZvw` _K wbRK
weiZ ivLZ cvie| Avgiv GUvK ewj h, ZZ LyPiv kqZvb Kg
wWve Kie| h wbRi KvR wbR Ki Zvi cZKUv evcvi
gbvhvM AvQm wVK Rvb gvRvUv Lyj m Kv_vq ivLe, eBUv m
Kv_vq ivLe; KviY ci ZvKB Avevi LuyR ei KiZ ne|
Avevi aib, wUPvii KvQ coZ hvev ev wUPvi Avme wVK AvQ,
80

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

wK Avwg AvM GKUz `L ivwL, GiKg gbvfve _vKj GK Zv Kg

mgq cov hve Avi wZxqZ, wUPvii gbvhvM Avcbvi cwZ eo
hve| Kb? KviY, hvK aieua covZ nq Zvi cwZ wK wUPvii
AZUv gbvhvM _vK bv; wK hvK `L h, G Zv AbK AvMnx, G
Zv Zvi cov AvM _KB Ki iLQZvi cwZ wUPvii gbvhvM
memgq eo hvq| Avi ZLb Avcwb wkLZI cvieb ewk ewk|
A_vr g~j m~Uv nQ Avcwb hZ ^vej^x neb, hZ wbR D`vMx neb
ZZ Avcbvi gbvhvM evoe|
ck : Avwg hLb Mvwo PvjvB ev wfwWI Mg Lwj ev webv`bg~jK Kvbv
KvR Kwi ZLb Ggwb Ggwb gbvhvM Gm hvq| Gjvi Rb
gwWUkb KiZ nq bv| wK GKgv covkvbvZB Avwg AgbvhvMx|
covi mgq gbvhvM Avm bv Kb? ZvovZvwo gyLB ev nq bv Kb?
Di : gbvhvMi evcviUv ek gRvi| `Leb, GLb AbK KvwPs
mUvi LyjQ, hviv ejGLvb AgbvhvMx QvQvx`i wekl hZ
mnKvi covbv nq| Zvnj AgbvhvMx QvQvx ej wK wekl
Kvbv Mvx AvQ? Avmj Zv bq| gbvhvM ev gUvj GbvwR cqvM
Kivi gZv cZKiB AvQ| Kvmi mePq AgbvhvMx QjUvh
mvivw`b wKU wbqB _vK, ZvK `Lyb wUwfZ wKU Ljv `Lvi
mgq| Kx gM Avi gbvhvMx! Avevi cixvi AvM hLb Pvi gvmi cov
KiZ ne GK mvn, ZLb Kx Mfxi Avi AL gbvhvM w`q Avcwb
coZ cvib! A_vr g~j welqwU nQ Avcwb wfwWI MgK hZUv iZ
w`Qb, covkvbvK ZZUv w`Qb bv| wK cixvi AvMi ivZ
Avcbvi avb-vb nQ cov, ZvB ZLb Avcwb wVKB coZ cviQb|
Avi ZvovZvwo gyL KiZ PvBj KLbv ZvovZvwo nq bv| KviY h
KvR Avcwb Zvovov Ki KiZ hveb mB KvRB `wi ne| AZGe
axi axi gyL KiZ ne| Avi wfwWI Mg, Mvwo Pvjvbv Ges
webv`bg~jK KvR h AvMn iqQ Av Av covkvbvq mB
AvMnUv mw KiZ ne, ZvnjB ZvovZvwo gyL ne|
ck : evPv`i covZ hw` GK e (KvqvUvg g_W eBq gbvhvMi
Rb kLvbv e) KvR bv nq ZLb ci ci Kevi Kiv `iKvi ne?
ce 2 \ mvdj

81

Di : Avmj ZvK c_g evSvZ ne covkvbvq gbvhvMi iZ|

covkvbvq AvMn mw KiZ ne| AvMn mw bv nj GKUv Kb
nvRviUv e GuKI Kvbv jvf bB| Zvi gbvhvM H e chB
_vKQ| ei ci Abw`K Pj hve|
ck : jLvcovq gb em bv, gb emvbvi Rb Kx KiZ ne?
Di : wbqwgZ gwWUkb KiZ ne| mB mv_ AvcbvK cqvM
KiZ ne gbvhvM evovbvi wKQy mnR Kkj| gbvhvMi GKUv Lye
iZc~Y welq njv AvMn| coZ emvi AvM GKUz wPv KibKx
coeb, Kb coeb, KZY ai coeb| cZKevi covi AvM wKQy
UvMU wVK Ki wbb| hgb, GZ cv ev GZjv Abykxjbx| `yb^i
njv, welqi ewP ivLyb| wbZ bZzb covi Kkj wPv Kib|
GbvwR jfji m AvMni GKUv mK AvQ| GbvwR hZ ewk,
gbvhvM wbe Kivi gZv ZZ ewk nq| Avi AwaKvsk QvQvxi
w`bi c_gfvMB GbvwR ewk _vK| Zv`i `Lv MQ, h
covUv w`b GK Nvq coZ cviQ mB GKB cov coZ ivZ `o
Nv jvMQ| ZvB KwVb, weiwKi I GKNq welqjv mKvji
w`KB cob| cQ`i welqjv cob cii w`K| Ze hw` DvUv
nq, A_vr ivZ coZ Avcwb ^vQ` eva Kib, Zvnj mfveB
mvRvb Avcbvi iwUb|
AviKUv KvR KiebGKUvbv bv co weiwZ w`q coeb| KviY
MelYvq `Lv MQ, mvaviYZ GKUvbv 50 wgwbUi ewk GKRb gvbyl
gbvhvM w`Z cvi bv| ZvB GKUvbv gbvhvMi Rb gbi Ici ej
cqvM bv Ki cwZ 50 wgwbU covi ci cuvP wgwbUi GKUv Qv weiwZ
wbZ cvib| wK G weiwZi mgq wUwf, gvevBj ev KwDUvi wbq
e neb bv hv nqZv cuvP wgwbUi bvg `yNv wbq wbZ cvi|
gbvhvMi Rb Avcwb Kvb fwZ emQb mwU iZc~Y| mvRv
nq Avivg emyb| AcqvRbxq bovPov e Kib| Pqvi Ggbfve
emyb hvZ cv gSZ jM _vK| Uweji w`K GKUz SzuK emyb|
Avcbvi PvL _K Uweji `~iZ wbw` gvvq _vKv DwPZ|
coZ coZ gb hLb DknxbZvq fm eovQRvi Ki
82

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

ZLb eBqi w`K ZvwKq bv _K `uvwoq cob| Ze ig Qo hveb

bv| KqKevi G Afvm KijB `Leb Avi Abgb nQb bv|
cwZw`b wbw` mgq coZ emyb Ges coZ emvi AvM Kvbv
Amgv KvR nvZ `eb bv ev mUvi K_v gb GjI cvv `eb bv|
wPvjvK eis GKUv KvMR wjL djyb|
Avi mekl, hw` UvMUgZv cov wVKVvK KiZ cvib, Zvnj
wbRK cyyiZ Kib, Zv hZ QvUB nvK|
ck : covkvbvq gbvhvM I AvZwekvm Kxfve evovev?
Di : GK nQ, KvqvUvg wbqg covkvbv KiZ ne|
wZxqZ, wkv_x Kvhg Ask wbZ ne| wkv_x Kvhgi
KvDwji`i mv_ wbqwgZ hvMvhvM ivLZ ne| KviY gbvhvM Ges
AvZwekvm nQ GKUv avivevwnK evcvi| hZ mdj gvbyli mv_
Avgiv _vKev, ZZ mvdj Avgv`i w`K AMmi ne| Avi hZ e_
gvbyl`i mv_ _vKev e_Zv Avgv`iK Uvbe|
Avgv`i wkv_x Kvhg hviv cwiPvjbv Kib Zviv QvRxeb
mdj Ges KgRxebI mdj| Zviv cwic~Yfve wbew`Z nqQb
Avgv`i covkvbvq mnhvwMZv Kivi Rb| ZvB gbvhvM Kxfve
evoe, AvZwekvmi mv_ cixv w`q Kxfve c_g nIqv hvqGUvB
Zv`i Pv, Zv`i mvabv| Zv`i mv_ hvMvhvM ivLeb Ges mB
mv_ wbqwgZ gwWUkb Zv AvQB|
ck : hLb cixvi K_v fvwe ZLb covi AvMn RvM wK hLb Uwej
covi Rb ewmwKQzY covi ci m AvMn nvwiq dwj| GRb
Avwg Kx KiZ cvwi?
Di : covq gbvhvM Ges AvMn ai ivLvi Rb AvcbvK covi
cwieki evcviI mPZb nZ ne| hgb, covi UwejUvK ivLeb
`qvjgyLv| Qwe, kv-wcm BZvw` hme wRwbm gbvhvM wew KiZ
cvi mjvK PvLi mvgb _K mwiq ivLyb|
Pv Kib memgq GKB RvqMvq covi Rb| covi UwejUvK
ce 2 \ mvdj

83

Ab Avi Kvbv KvR eenvi Kieb bv| GKBfve weQvbvq q ev

em covi Afvm Kieb bv| gvevBj e Ki ivLyb| mvBj ev
fvBekb ivLjI GKevi cov kl Ki gvevBj Ab KiZ cvib|
AviKwU wRwbm gb ivLeb| wUwf-i mvgb emeb bv| covi
RvqMvq chv Avjv hb _vK| Avjv covi gbvhvM evovq| covi
KvR h wRwbmjv jvMe Zvi mejvB wbq emyb hvZ evi evi DV
wMq gbvhvM wew KiZ bv nq| ez iggU ev evmvi KD Avcbvi
gbvhvM weN mw KiQ wK bv Lqvj Kib| ZvK Govbvi Rb
Kkj Aej^b Kib|
covi Rb jvBewi, mwgbvi ig, wiwWs nj BZvw` hLvb Aviv
AbKB coQ Ges cyiv cwiekUvB covi Rb AbyK~j mjvK
eQ wbZ cvib| Avcwb gbvhvMx nZ cvieb|
ck : Avwg hLb coZ ewm ZLb AbK dvjZz wPv gv_vq Avm| hZB
ev` `qvi wPv-fvebv Kwi, c_g ev` nq ci Avevi Pj Avm| Gme
KviY cov gyL KiZ cvwi bv| h cov AvaNvq Kiv me, mUv
KiZ `yB Nv jvM| G mgmvi mgvavb Kx?
Di : AvcbvK hv KiZ ne Zv njv Avcbvi covi mgqUvK KqK
fvM Ki GKK fvM GKKUv covi KvR KiZ ne| KviY gbvhvM
Avi mgqK my`ifve KvR jvMvbvi cv GKB| Gi Rb SQ3R
cwZ AbymiY KiZ cvib|
SQ3R-G S gvb Survey, Q gvb Question Ges 3R-G 1g R
njv Read, 2q R njv Recite Ges 3q R njv Revise. cZKUvi
weeiYB wbP `qv njv|
S= SurveycoZ emvi AvM hv coeb ZvZ KvqvUv wiwWs
cwZZ `Z GKevi PvL eyjvbvB mvf| G h AavqwU coeb
Zvi wkivbvg, Dcwkivbvg, Qwe, Kvckb, Mvd, WvqvMvgjvZ PvL
evjvb| mvfi ga w`q Avcwb eySZ cvieb Kx coZ hvQb|
Q= QuestionPvvii wkivbvgjvK ck icvwiZ Kib|
Kx K Kb Kxfve KLb A_ev Zzjbv Ki, cv_K Ki, eYbv Ki,
ZvwjKv Ki BZvw` cwifvlvq G ck Kiv hZ cvi| hgb, eBqi
84

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

wkivbvg njv Dcgnv`k wewUk kvmbi Aemvb| ck icvwiZ

Kij GwU ne, Dcgnv`k wewUk kvmb Aemvbi cvcU eYbv Ki|
ck Kivi dj Avcwb mPZb nq DVeb h, Kx coZ hvQb|
R= ReadAvcbvi ckjvi Di cvevi Rb Gevi cov i
Kib| hgb, Aavqi bvgAvgv`i kixii K_v, Dcwkivbvgi
Ges SQ3R ck njv, i Kx? ii Dcv`vbjv Kx Kx? G`i
KvR Kx?
eBq GB ckwUi Di wnme `qv AvQ wbPi cvivMvdwU :
i bv _vKj gvbyli c euP _vKv me nZv bv| m Pv
nZv Zj Qvov Mvwo Pvjvbvi gZv| ii KvR nQ kixii me
cqvRbxq e mieivn Kiv| mBm AcqvRbxq e ei Ki `qv|
GKRb c~Yeq gvbyli kixi cuvP wjUvii gZv i _vK| i
`yiKg KwYKv _vK : jvwnZ KwYKv I kZ KwYKv| ewkifvM jvwnZ
KwYKv Zwi nq nvoi gvq| kZKwYKvi f~wgKv nQ kixiK iv
Kiv| Zviv RxevYyi m jovB Ki Avi GwUewW bvg ivmvqwbK e
mw Ki hvi KvR nQ AvZZvqx RxevYy asm Kiv| i cwZ Nb
wgwjwgUvi 40 _K 60 j jvwnZKwYKv _vK| GivB cqvRbxq
AwRb enb Ki Avi Kveb-WvB-AvBW AcmviYi eev Ki|
R= Recitehv coQb mjvK Rvi Rvi AvIovbvB
wimvBU| covwbRK kvbvb| wVKgZv wK nQ? bv nj Avevi
cob| GZ gb ivLv mnR ne|
R= ReviseGZY hv cojb Zv evi evi SvjvB KivB njv
wifvBm| wbqwgZ weiwZZ GB wiwfkb w`Z ne|
ck : covkvbvi Kvm DcwwZ KZUv iZc~Y? AbK ej
wbqwgZ Kvm bv KiI fvjv iRv Kiv me| K_vUv KZUzKz
hywmZ?
Di : GUv wVK h, Avgv`i AbK QvQvxB wbqwgZ Kvm Ki bv|
Avevi KijI KvmUvK Zviv iZi mv_ bq bv| Kvm bv covbv
ch Zviv wbRiv co bv| Zviv gb Ki AvM Kvm nvK, Zvici
coev| Avi Gi dj Kvmi AbK covB Zviv evS bv| Kvmi
ce 2 \ mvdj

85

AaK mgq KvU AbgbZvq, Avi evwK AaK weiwZ| Avmj

Kvm wK me cov eywSq `qvi Rb bv| Kvm njv aygv h
covjv m evS wb mjv awiq `qvi RvqMv|
KvRB co Avmyb Kvm hvIqvi AvMB| GZ KqKwU jvf ne|
c_gZ, Kvm Ki Avcwb Lye Avb` cveb| gbvhvM wew ne bv|
wZxqZ, Avcbvi Kvm imc fvjv ne, dj Avcwb wkKi `w
AvKlYi KviY neb| ZZxqZ Ges mePq iZc~Y njvKvmi ci
Avcwb hLb welqUv coZ hvebAvcbvi AbK mnR jvMe Ges gb
_vKe AbKw`b|

gb ivLvi Rb
ck : GKB cov AviK evexI coQ, AvwgI cowQ| LuywUbvwU mewKQz
Zvi nqZv AbK w`b gb _vK hv Avgvi gb _vK bv| gbvhvM
w`q covi ciI Ggb Kb nq? G wbq Avwg nxbbZvq fywM| Avwg
Kx Kiev?
Di : KqKUv KviY Ggb nZ cvi| c_g KviYwU nZ cvi
Avcbvi wbRiB bwZevPK cvMvwgs| GB h ejjb, Avcbvi evexi
gb _vK, wK Avcbvi _vK bv Ges GUv wbq Avcwb nxbbZvq
fvMb| Zvi gvb Kx? Avcwb wbRB ai wbQb h, Avcbvi gb
_vKe bv| dj hv-B Avcwb coQb ev wkLQb Avcwb fyj hvQb|
wZxqZ, Avcwb nqZv gb w`q covwU kLb bv Ges evi evi
SvjvB Kib bv| cixvq `Lv MQ, Z_jv cieZxZ eenvi bv
Kij hKvbv covi GKw`bi gv_vqB Gi 75% fyj hvq gvbyl|
ZZxqZ, wew Ges AcvmwKfve wkLj Ges Ubkb I `ywvq
gb AvQb _vKj fyj hvIqvi ceYZv ewk nq| Avi Avcbvi fyj
hvIqvi AviKwU KviY nZ cvi, hfve Avcwb wkLQb wVK mfve
nqZv gb KiZ cviQb bv| cixvi mgq ck GKUz wfbfve GjB
Avcwb fveb, Avcbvi wKQyB gb bB|
A_P Avgv`i meviB gb ivLvi gZv mgvb| cv_KUv nq wZK
86

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

PPv bv Kivi dj| ebi GB ggvwi evsKi Kvbv mxgveZv bB|

cwZ mK nvRviLvbK bZzb Z_ MnYi gZv AvQ Zvi Ges hZ
bZzb Z_B `B bv Kb m wK wVKB Gi Rb RvqMv Ki w`Q|
Zvnj Kxfve Avcbvi gb ivLvi gZvK evoveb?
c_gZ, hv Avcwb gb ivLZ Pvb Zv gbvhvM w`q byb ev cob|
GKB mgq hw` GKUv welqB gbvhvM `b Zvnj GUv mnR ne| h
Z_jv gb ivLZ Pvb mjvK wbw` Kib Ges ay ZvZB
gbvhvM w`b| hgb, eBqi h Z_jv Avcwb bZzb `LQb ev
KwVb gb nQ mjvB ne Avcbvi gbvhvMi welq|
GKwU welqK Avcwb hZ wfb `wKvY Ges evLv _K eySeb
ZZ GwU Avcbvi gb ivLv mnR ne| hZ cyibv Rvbv Z_i m
wgj-Awgj wPv Kieb, ZZ Avcbvi gb _vKe|
hgb, Avcwb RvbjbwPwKrmvwevbi RbKi bvg wncvwUm|
c_gB Avcbvi gb njv wncvU GKwU BsiwR k hvi A_ njv
f ev cZviK| wK Avcbvi bZzb kLv GB bvgi m G A_i
Kvbv wgj bB| eis DvUvB chvR| KviY GLbv wPwKrmKiv cvk
Kivi ci h kc_ bb ZvK ejv nq wncvwUK I_ hvi ee
njv GKRb wPwKrmK wnme wZwb ivMxK mvagZv wbivgq Kivi
Pv Kieb, ivMxi Mvcb K_v cKvk Kieb bv Ges mrfve Rxeb
hvcb Kieb|
hv gb ivLZ Pvb, ZvK GKwU c~Yv KvVvgvq icvwiZ Kib|
AvswkK bv Ki welqwU cyivcywi wkLZ ev eySZ Pv Kib| gb
ivLvi Qwei gZv AbK ewk| ZvB Kvbv RwUj ev evcK
welqK Qwe, PvU ev WvqvMvg mvwRq wbb|
gb ivLvi Rb c_gevi covi `yB/ GK w`bi gaB covK
wifvBR Kib| KvqvUv wiwWs cwZZ myhvM cjB PvL eywjq
wbb| Kvm kl wbqwgZ KvmbvU PvL evjvb|
GQvov Zwi KiZ cvib gb ivLvi bvbv Q`| hgb, gvNj
mvgvRi ciiv evSvZ evevi nBjv GKevi Ri, mvwijv Jla
QovwU AvIovjB evei gvq~b AvKei Rvnvxi mvRvnvb AvIiRe
cgyL gvNj ev`kvn`i bvg GKi ci GK ej `qv hvq| Gi mv_
wbqwgZ AUvmvRkb w`b hcwZw`b Avgvi wZkw evoQ|
ce 2 \ mvdj

87

cixvq fvjv Kivi Rb

ck : cixvi ck Kgb coe wK bvG fqUv memgq KvR Ki| G
_K gywi Dcvq Kx?
Di : ck Kgb coe wK bvG fq ZLbB KvR Kie hLb cwZ
mvlRbK bv ne| mviveQi bv co ay cixvi AvM coe ej
hviv cov Rwgq ivL Zv`i G AwiZvq fvMv ^vfvweK|
Avevi cixvi cwZ fvjv nIqvi ciI hw` cixvfxwZ _vK,
Zvnj wbqwgZ AUvmvRkb w`Z ne| Avi g~j welqwU njv `wfw|
A_vr fq bv cq cixvK fveZ ne Avcbvi hvMZv cgvYi
myhvM wnme| KviY Avcwb hZB hvMZv ARb Kib bv Kb, Zv
cgvYi Avi Kvbv myhvM bB cixv Qvov Ges Gi gvagB Avcwb
GK GK Ki avcjv cwiq ARb KiZ cvieb mvdji ^xKwZ|
ck : Avgvi gqi eqm 15 eQi, m nvDm wUDUi I Kvm U fvjv
iRv Ki wK nj U Lye Lvivc Ki, Gi cwZKvi Kx?
Di : Gi Rb Avgv`i wkv_x Kvhg iqQ| Avi cixvq fvjv
Kivi wUcmjvi Mbv wbq cKvwkZ KvqvUvg wkv_x mnvwqKv
G Avcbvi gqi Lye KvR jvMe| Avmj Zvi g~j mgmvUv nQ
KbwdWi Afve, bvfvmbm| GB bvfvmbm GKw`b `~i ne bv, Gi
Rb jM _vKZ ne| ZvK mN _vKZ ne Ges mrmN hLb
_vKe ZLb Zvi bvfvmbm `~i nq hve, AvZwekvm evoe|
ck : AvR RvZxq wekwe`vjqi Aaxb Avgvi 2q el cixv wQjv|
cixv w`q ei nq Rvbjvg, AvRKi welqi ck AvMB duvm
nqQ| Avwg Kvbv mgqB cixvi AvM ck bB bv| Zv Avwg mviv
eQi covkvbv Ki cvev 70% b^i, Avi KD GKw`b co cve
90% b^i| ck bv bqvUv wK Avgvi evKvwg?
Di : Avmj GUvI `yfvM h, Avgv`i cixvq G wRwbmjv nQ|
G`i `vg~jK kvw nIqv DwPZ| GLb, Avcbvi `wfw Kx ne?
88

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

nZ cvi h, GKw`b coB m nqZv 90% cvQ| wK gb ivLeb,

Rxebi cixv Lye KwVb| mLvb ckc duvmi Kvbv myhvM bB
Ges mLvb GKw`b co KLbv 90% cvIqv hvq bv| mLvb c_g
nZ nj eQi Ryo cwikg KiZ nq, hvMZvi Kwcv_i hvPvB nq
DrivZ nq| Avi Avcwb mUvB KiQb|
KvRB Rxebi cixvq AvcbviB c_g nIqvi mvebv ewk|
AZGe KLbv nZvk neb bv GB fe h, AgyK bv co iRv
fvjv KiQ; Avgvi Zvnj GZ co jvf Kx! KviY Avcbvi vb Zv
AvcbvK Qo hve bv| GKUv-`yUv cixvq Iiv mvgwqK G myweav
cjI Avcbvi KvwRZ vb KvR jvMe Avcbvi mvivRxeb|
ck : Avgvi cixvi Avi `yB gvm evwK| wK Kvm i nqQ gv GK
gvm AvM| cixvi wmjevm wekvj| GZ A mgq G wekvj wmjevm
co wK cixvq fvjv KiZ cviev?
Di : Kvm GK gvm AvM i nqQ, wK fwZ Zv GK gvm AvM nb
wb, fwZ nqQb Aviv AvM| cixvq fvjv Kivi wPv ZLb _KB
Kiv DwPZ wQjv| Kvmi Rb Acv Kij cixv KLbv fvjv
nq bv| KviY Avgv`i wkv cwZvbjv QvQvx`i covbvi
`vwqZ bq bv| covi `vwqZUv QvQvx`i wbR`iB wbZ nq|
hZw`b bv GB wkveevK Xj mvRvbv hvQ ZZw`b wmgi
mv_B Af nZ ne|
GLb hnZz Avi `yB gvm mgq AvQ, G mgqUvKB KvR jvMvbvi
Rb cwikg KiZ ne| iwUb Ki wbb| Zvici i Kib| Avi A
mgq cixvi cwZ Kxfve beb, m evcvi Avgv`i wkv_x
KvDwji`i mv_ civgk KiZ cvib| Pv Kij GB `yB gvm
coI Avcwb fvjv iRv KiZ cvieb|
ck : Avwg Abvm dvBbvj cixv w`qwQ| Avgvi GKUv ccvi ek
Lvivc nIqvq fxlY AwiZvq fyMwQ h, dv Kvm cvev wK bv| KviY
Avwg Lye Pv KiwQjvg Avi Avgvi cwievii mevBI GUv Pvq| wK
cixv Lvivc nIqvi dj GLb Avwg Lye Ubkb AvwQ|
ce 2 \ mvdj

89

Di : Qj ev gq fvjv KiKGUv Zv me cwieviB Pvq| Avmj

hv wKQy fvjv, AvKlYxq Zvi cwZ meviB AvKvv _vK| wK cvq
Kviv? hviv j wi Ki Ges m j cwikg Ki| Avi G
Aviv GKwU mZ nQ gvbyl KvRi gvwjK njI djvdji gvwjK m
bq| djvdji gvwjK njb mv|
KvRB gvbyli mwVK `wfw ne Zvi mvagZv P~ov Pv Kiv
Ges Zvici cv_bv Kiv hb djvdj my`i nq| Ubkb Ki ev
bvfvmbm fyM Kvbv jvf bB| KvRB Avcwb GLb Avcbvi KvwZ
djvdji Rb gbQwe `Lyb, cv_bv I `vb Kib| Avi myhvM _vKj
GLbKvi mgqUv dvDkb fvjv KvR eq Kib|
ck : `yB ezi GKRb wbqwgZ co Ges AviKRb cixvi GK mvn
AvM _K covjLv Ki Ges mB QjwU Kvm c_g mvwiZ _vK|
Gi KviY Kx?
Di : Avmj GLvb Avcbvi hUv gb nQ, mUv wVK bq| KviY GK
mvn AvM co KLbv Kvm c_g mvwiZ _vKv me bq| m nqZv
cwZw`bi covjv h_vh_fve mb Ki ivLZv| A_vr Zvi cwZUv
GZB wbqwgZ h, Zv Avjv`v Ki PvL co wb| Avi AviK h ezi
K_v ejQb ZvK wbqwgZ coZ `LjI Zvi covi ga mgmv
iqQ| A_vr AbK mgq wbq cojI covUv wVK KvhKix nQ bv|
A_ev Zvi cov Avi fvjv iRvi ga duvKUv nQ cixv|
Zvi cixvjv nqZv ZZUv fvjv nQ bv| Avi GRb ZvK
hUv KiZ ne Zv njv fyj _K kLvi Afm KiZ ne|
wmwiqvmwj wbZ ne gWj U ev Kvm U ev gK U A_vr g~j
cixvi AvMi GB cixvjvK| fvjv cixvi Rb Di jLvi
mgq AbymiY KiZbmdj wkv_x`i GiKg wKQy wUcm wbq MwZ
Avgv`i wkv_x KwYKv _K wKQyUv GLvb DZ Kiv njv :
o nj wbRi Avmb cixv ii AZ 15 wgwbU AvM emyb|
cuvP wgwbU gwWUkb Kib| AUvmvRkb w`bhv cowQ me gb
AvQ| jLvi mgq my`ifve Zv gb Pj Avme|
o ckci DfqwcV fvjvfve cob| wb`kbvjv Lqvj Kib|
90

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

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cwZwU cki Rb mgq fvM Ki djyb| eivKZ mgq kl bv

nj duvKv iL cii ck Pj hvb|
RwUj cki bq; i Kib fvjvfve Rvbv DiwU w`q|
kl 5/10 wgwbU LvZv wifvBR Kib|
Kvbv ck Qo Avmeb bv| KviY `yUv AaK Di GKwU m~Y
Dii Pq ewk b^i Zzje|
evaZvg~jK bv nj RwUj ev mwVK Di Rvbv bBGgb ck Gwoq
Pjyb| KviY, Di MuvRvwgj _vKj b^i Aviv Kg hZ cvi|
cki Di wZb fvM fvM Kibf~wgKv, g~j ee I Dcmsnvi|
f~wgKv I Dcmsnvi hZ Ki wjLyb|
Di ewP AvbZ WvqvMvg, QK, wP eenvi Kib|
jLK/ eBqi wKQy k/ evK DZ Kib|
Kvb cki Di Kx RvbZ PvIqv nqQ Zv eyS wjLyb| Kvb
Aski Rb KZ b^i Zv-I `Lyb|
Kvbv cki Di ev cqU gb KiZ bv cvij duvKv RvqMv iL
cieZx ck ev cqU wjLZ _vKyb|
LvZv Rgv `qvi mgq bvg, ivj, iwR. b^i wVK AvQ wK bv Zv
wbwZ nvb| AwZwi KvMR wbj cwjs ev myZvi wMuV wVKfve
w`b| bBj fvjv cixv w`qI Avkvbyic dj bv-I nZ cvi|

mviveQi covkvbv KiI fvjv bv Kivi KviY nZ cvi G

wUcmjv h_vh_fve AbymiY bv Kiv| KvRB c_g ezwUi KZe ne
cixv kl chvjvPbv Kiv h, Kx Kx fyj m KiQ, fyji aib Kx
Ges Kv_vq Kv_vq Aviv fvjv Kiv hZ BZvw`| Ges cii cixvq
mjvK ai wbZ ne|
ck : Avwg fvBfv ev BUviwfD evWK Lye fq cvB| AbK mgq Rvbv
cki DiI gb co bv| G fxwZ _K Kxfve gyw cvev?
Di : fvBfv evW Avmj GKRb cixv_x ev cv_xi gav ev vbi
PvBZI Zvi AvZwekvm Ges Zvi ewZi mvejxjZv Ges wbRK
Dcvcb Kivi `Zv I KzkjZv hvPvB Kiv nq| KviY fvBfv evW
ce 2 \ mvdj

91

cixK ev ckKvix wnme hviv _vKb AwaKvsk B Zv`i

e`kbi AwfZv w`q A mgqi fZiB Zviv cv_xi G
`ZvjvK hvPvB Ki wbZ cvib| KvRB bvfvm bv nq hZ kv
I AvZwekvmx _vKZ cvieb, cwiwwZK ZZ wbqY ivLZ cvieb,
ARb Kieb Avcbvi cixK`i my`w|
AZGe mnR, ckv gb fvBfvq Ask wbb| wkK`i wePviK bv
fe mnhvMx fveyb| Ges Kvbv AevZB KUvwWKkb-Gi ga
hveb bv, hvZ GUv cgvY nq h, nuv, wUPviI ivBU, AvcwbI ivBU|
hvZ wUPvi gb Kib h, GUv GKUv AwcwbqbGUvI Pj, IUvI
Pj| wUPvi fyjGUv KLbv ee _K AvmZ cvie bv| dj
fvBfv evW ev hKvbv cwiwZZ Avcbvi ckv cZq, webq Avi
mvejxj Dcvcbv wkK`i mcksm `w Ko be|
Avi BUviwfDZ memgq gb ivLebem BR AjIqR ivBU,
A_vr em hv ejeb ZvZB mZ neb| wK bxwZMZ evcvi ev
wbRi ee wi _vKebILvb Avcm KiZ hveb bv| A_vr
wbRi ee webqx wK `p _vKeb| G m~jv KvR jvMvbvi Rb
wbqwgZ AUvmvRkb w`b, Kgv mUviK eenvi Kib| Avi eve
`Zvjv ARbi Rb KvR Kib|
ck : cixvi mgq fxwZ KvR Ki, cov fyj hvB| Kx Kiev?
Di : Avmj GB cixvfxwZi DrmUv Kv_vq? gwjK mgmvUv
Avgv`i gaBcixvK Avgiv Lye wmwiqvm gb Kwi| GKUv wec`
ej gb Kwi| Avi ZvZB hZ mgmv, KviY wecbK wRwbmK
gvbyl fq cvq|
AwaKvsk QvQvxi Rxeb cixv hb GK g~wZgvb AvZ| bjB
gb nq, GB eywS evN nvjyg Ki nvgj coe Nvoi Ici! A_P
cixv gvb nQ myhvMwbRi hvMZvK cgvY Kivi, Icii Kvm
DbxZ nevi| PvKwiZ cixv gvb Kx? nvqvi MW IVv| Avi cixv
hw` bv _vKZv Zvnj nvqvi MW IVvi Rb mvaviY gvbyli Kvbv
myhvM _vKZv bv; hviv Zj w`Z cviZv ayy Zv`iB myhvM _vKZv,
KviY Kvbv wmg bB|
92

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

cixvfxwZ KvUvbvi mnR c_ Kx? GK nQ, iwUb Ki covkvbv

Kiv; `yB nQ, gWj U `qv Avi wZb Ges mePq iZc~Y nQ,
cixvK Lye mnRfve MnY Kiv| hgb cixvK wbRi mePq wcq
wcVvi mv_ Zzjbv Kib| GKUv cixv gvb GKUv wcVv!
Avi GUv ZLbB me ne hLb Avcbvi fZi wekvm mw ne|
Avcwb hLb wbqwgZ gwWUkb Kieb; wbqwgZ AUvmvRkb `eb,
axi axi GB wekvmUv cej ne Ges wekvmUv vqx Kivi Rb
gwWUkbi cvkvcvwk wbqwgZ covkvbvUv Lye iZc~Y| KviY h
wekvmi mv_ Kg hy nq, h cv_bvi mv_ Kg hy nq mB cv_bvB
evevwqZ nq| Avi h wekvmi mv_ Kg _vK bv mUv KLbv vqx nq
bv, evevwqZ nq bv|
ck : bewK ck Kxfve ewk ewk gb ivLZ cviev?
Di : bewK cixvq fvjv Kivi Rb KqKwU wbqg AbymiY
KiZ cvib :
o wb`kbvjv cob| `Lyb fyj Dii Rb b^i KvUv hve wK bv|
o mejv Ackb cob| hgb, gvBKj Gjv GKRb
1. cLvZ fvi I vcZwkx
2. cLvZ wPKi I vcZwkx
3. cLvZ Kwkx I wPKi
4. cLvZ wPKi, fvi I vcZwkx
o cki iZc~Y AskwUZ AvvijvBb Kib ev Mvj `vM w`b|
hgb, Kei bvUKi cvcU wnme Kvb hywwU mg_bhvM?
1. wkv Av`vjb
2. fvlv Av`vjb
3. MY Av`vjb
4. ^vaxbZv Av`vjb
o mivmwi mwVK DiwU eySZ bv cvij ev` `qvi cwqvq GMvb|
h Ackbjv fyj ej Avcwb wbwZ mjvK mwP w`q
w`b| Gevi evwKjvi ga _K eQ wbb| hgb, a~gcvb ZvMi
Rb h_ KvbwU?
ce 2 \ mvdj

93

1. a~gcvqxK kvw
2. a~gcvqxK eqKU
3. a~gcvqxi BQvkw
4. a~gcvqxK ew` Kiv
AbK mgq cki gaB mwVK Dii BwZ _vK| hgb, AvwZK
gZz gvb Kx?
1. wkv`xv _K `~i _vKv
2. jvfvZzi cKwZi Dbl
3. mgvR _K wewQb _vKv
4. RvMwZK gZz
Icii meKwU eQ bqvi AvM wbwZ nq wbb h, mejvB
wVK| hgb, cvBKvwi eemvq cwZvb Kvb aibi eemvq cwZvb
nZ cvi?
1. GK gvwjKvbv msMVb
2. Askx`vix msMVb
3. h_ g~jabx Kvvwb msMVb
4. Icii meKwU
KvbvwUB bq RvZxq Di _vKj wbwZ nq wbb KvbwU eQ
beb? hgb, Kvb wnmve eemvqx`i Rb DchvMx?
1. PjwZ wnmve
2. mqx wnmve
3. vqx wnmve
4. KvbvwUB bq

ck : Avwg h welq cowQ Zvi ck _vK Avbwmb UvBci| ckvi

wjLZ Mj AvgvK cPzi mgq w`Z nq ckvii KvVvgv Zwii
Rb| GQvov Avgvi jLv fvjv bv, MwZI gi| mewKQy wgwjq Avwg
GKk cvimU Di wjLZ cvwi bv| mgmv _K gywi Dcvq Kx? Avi
nvZi jLv fvjv Kivi Dcvq Kx?
Di : Avmj GiKg DiUvK msw wK Pz^K Kieb|
AviKRb hw` mvZ cv jL Avcwb cuvP cvq Avcbvi Di wjLeb|
94

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

wK mejv cqUm IUvi ga Vm `eb| wjLeb Kg wK

welqe ewk| hgb Avgv`i KwYKv| KwYKvZ Avgiv h gmRUv
w`qwQ GUvK wK Avgiv AbK eo KiI w`Z cviZvg| wK Zv bv
Ki Avgiv Kej wbhvmUv w`qwQ| ZvB GUv coZI AbK fvjv
jvM| Zv AvcwbI IiKg wbhvm Ki djeb Ges `Leb h,
PgrKvi Di w`Z cviQb|
Avi nvZi jLv Lye iZc~Y| cixvi LvZvq Avcbvi nvZi
jLvB cixKi mv_ K_v eje| Lvivc nvZi jLvq fvjv Di
Ges fvjv nvZi jLvq Lvivc Di-G `yUvi ga b^i ewk cve
wK ciiUvB|
ZvB ej AvcbvK h gyvi gZv nvZi jLv wjLZ ne Zv wK
bq| KqKwU Kkj RvbjB nvZi jLv fvjv Kiv hvq : AuvKveuvKv
bv Ki jvBbUvK mvRv ivLvi Pv Kib| wZxqZ, AwaKvsk
Avgv`i mgmv nq gv `yB/ wZbwU Ai wbq, hjvK Avgiv
KLbv wVKfve wjwL bv| H Aijvi w`K bRi w`b| ZZxqZ,
kjvi gvS chv Mvc w`b hvZ `LZ MvQvbv jvM| PZz_Z
Ges mekl nQ cvKwUm| my`i Kvbv nvZi jLv `L Abykxjb
Kib| mPZb nvb h, Avcwb my`ifve wjLeb| Avcwb cvieb|

iwUbi iZ
ck : KvqvUv fw Ki coZ emjvg, wVK Kijvg Avi boev bv|
Ggb mgq eo KD Gm ck Kijv ev Kvbv KvR w`q w`jv| KvRUv
Kiev bv ejvi Dcvq bB| dvb Gjv, dvb aiviI KD bB| GLb
Kx Kiev? iwUbI KiZ cvwi bv| iwUb gZv KvRI KiZ cvwi bv|
Di : Avmj AvcbvK mgqi iZ mK mPZb nZ ne| wPv
Kib Ggb GKUv evsK hLvb _K cwZw`b mKvj AvcbvK
86,400 UvKv `qv nq| UvKvUv _K Avcwb BQgZv LiP KiZ
cvieb| wK kZ njv hv LiP KiZ cvieb bv, w`b kl Zv wdwiq
w`Z ne| GiKg nj Avcwb Kx KiZb? wbqB cyiv UvKv KvR
jvMvbvi Rb DV-co jvMZb| wK mgqK wbq wK Gfve
ce 2 \ mvdj

95

fveb? A_P mgqB wK Avcbvi mePq eo m`| KviY GKwU w`b

_vK gvU 86,400 mK hv AvRK Pj Mj Avi Kvbvw`bB wdi
cveb bv Avcwb|
QvQvx`i mgq gvUvgywU Pvi aibi KvR Ki KvU :
1. Riwi (`iRv Lvjv, dvb aiv ev Kvbv Awbevh evav-weN)
2. iZc~Y (Kvmi AvM cov, bvU Zwi Kiv, cixvi c~ecwZ,
wbqwgZ evqvg, gwWUkb)
3. Riwi Ges iZc~Y (cixvi cov, evwoi KvR, cvKwUKvj ev
Kvbv GmvBbgU)
4. Riwi bv, iZc~YI bv (hgb, wUwf `Lv, KwDUvi Mg
Ljv, gvevBj K_v ejv, Avv, eovbv ev Amgq AwZwi Nyg)
mvaviY QvQvx`i ewkifvM mgq KvU 3 Ges 4 b^i KvR|
wK GKRb Abb Qv wnme AvcbvK mePq ewk mgq w`Z ne
2 Ges 3 b^i KvR| 1 b^i KvRjv hvZ Lye ewk mgq wbq bv
bq m evcvi mPZb nZ ne Ges 4 b^i KvRjv _K weiZ
_vKvi Pv KiZ ne| GRbB iwUb KiZ ne| Pjyb `Lv hvK
Avcwb Kxfve iwUb Kieb
iwUb Kivi c_g avc nQ Avcbvi cixvi wkwWDj, GmvBbgU,
wicvU BZvw`i ZvwjKv Avcbvi covi Uweji mvgb Ggb GK
RvqMvq muU ivLyb hb XyKjB PvL co| AviK mU ivLeb
Avcbvi mB| eBqi evM ev gvwbevM ev fvwbwU evM|
euvav-aiv h KvRjv cwZ mvn AvcbvK KiZ nq Zv H m~wPZ
wjL AbKjv dUvKwc Kieb| KviY cwZ mvnB Avcwb Gi
GKwU Ki Kwc eenvi Kieb| mvvwnK GB iwUbK Gici `wbK
iwUb icvwiZ KiZ ne| KviY ZvnjB Avcbvi mvivw`bK
iwUbi AvIZvq AvbZ cvieb| cwZw`b Nygvbvi AvM KiZ ne
GB `wbK iwUb|
iwUbi eveev`x nvb| iwUb Kivi Ggb jgvv
wVK Kieb bv hv evewfwK bq| c_gw`K welqwU eySZ GKUz mgq
jvMZ cvi| wK KqKw`b Pv KijB GwU Avcwb Avq KiZ
cvieb Ges Abyfe Kieb iwUbi Avb`K|
w`bi iUv Kib kvKi Avjnvg`ywjj-vn ej cwiKwZfve|
96

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Zvnj mvivw`bB eRvq ivLZ cvieb my`i KgQ`|

j Kib w`b-ivZi Kvb mgq Avcwb ewk gbvhvMx I mwq|
iwUbi KwVb, AcQ`bxq Ges GKNq welqjvK mfve mvRvb|
iwUb GKB aibi welq ci ci bv iL welqi ewP ivLyb|
GZ gbvhvM ai ivLv mnR ne|
Avcwb KZ Nv cojb mUv g~L bq, eivKZ mgq Avcwb KZUv
gbvhvM w`q cojb iwUb chvjvPbvq GUvB iZc~Y|
iwUb AbymiY KLbv Q` cojI nZvk neb bv| cii
Nvjvi Rb wdi Avmyb iwUb| KviY iwUbi 80% AbymiY
KiZ cvijI MocoZv QvQvx`i Pq Avcwb GwMq hvQb|
ck : AvM hviv mgqK KvR jvMvq wb| A_P mvgb Zvi nvZ mgq
Lye Kg| G mgqK Kxfve KvR jvMvbv hZ cvi?
Di : h mgq Pj MQ, b nq MQ, Zv Avi diZ Avme bv|
KvRB IUv wbq Avdmvm Ki Kvbv jvf bB| GLb hUzKz mgq
AvQ mUvK KvR jvMvb| iwUb Ki wbb| wPv Ki wVK Kib
mgqK Kxfve KvR jvMveb|
Avgiv ewj h e| wK mgmvUv njv Avgiv Avmj mgqK KvR
jvMvB bv| AZGe GLb hUzKyB mgq AvQ, mUvKB cwiKwZfve
KvR jvMvb|
ck : cwZw`b mgqi cQb QyUwQ Zv QyUwQfvi 5Uv _K ivZ
12Uv| ZeyI hb Aviv mgq `iKvi| w`bi kl gb nq Avi GKUz
w`b `iKvi| ivZi kl gb nq Avi GKUz ivZ `iKvi|
Di : Avcwb KweZv wjLj fvjv Kieb| mgqi evcvi GB AZw
_vKvUv fvjv| Zvi gvb Avcwb cwikg KiQb| wK cwikgUv KiZ
ne mycwiKwZfve, mywebvmvqbi gvag| Zvnj Avcwb fvjv dj
jvf Kieb Ges KvRi mgqI `Leb Aviv evovZ cviQb| hgb,
AvcbvK NygvZ ne| wK Avcwb hgb Pvi Nv NygvZ cvib Avevi
10 NvI NygvZ cvib| KZY Nygveb GUv Avcbvi Afvmi Ici
ce 2 \ mvdj

97

wbfi Kie Ges GUvB wbaviY Ki `e h, w`b KZUv ewk KgNv

Avcwb hvM KiZ cvieb Avcbvi mgqi mv_| KviY w`bK Zv
Avcwb evovZ cviQb bv| AZGe wbavwiZ 24 NvKB mywebvmvqbi
gvag KvR jvMvZ ne| Avcwb mgq Ges KvRi Zw cveb|
ck : Avwg wkv_x IwiqUkb KiwQ| wK iwUb Zwi KiZ cviwQ
bv| Avevi Kij Zv gvbZI cviwQ bv| dj covkvbv fvjv nQ bv|
GLb Avwg Kx KiZ cvwi?
Di : Avgv`i wkv_x KvDwji`i mv_ Avjvc Kieb|
dvDkbi mv_ memgq hvMvhvM ivLeb| GKRbK MvBW wnme
MnY Kib hvi KvQ Avcwb covkvbvi evcvi Revew`wn Kieb|
iwUb Kb AbymiY KiZ cvijb bv m evcvi Zvi KvQ Revew`wn
Kieb| wZwb Avcbvi evev nZ cvib, gv nZ cvib, ez nZ
cvib| KviY Revew`wnZv Qvov KD Avmj GZ cvi bv| KD KD
Avevi wbRi KvQ wbR Revew`wn KiZ cvi| Avcwb hnZz wbR
cviQb bv, GKRbK MvBW wnme wbb| ZvnjB `Leb h, Avcwb
iwUb AbymiY KiZ cviQb, wbRK e`jvZ cviQb|
ck : covkvbvi cvkvcvwk GKRb wkv_x Kxfve Avj-vnK WvKj
Zvi WvKvUv wVK ne? covkvbvi mgq GgbI nqbvgvRi mgq
nqQ, AbK gbvhvM, DVZ BQ KiQ bv| Avevi bvgvRUv wbqwgZ
coZI BQ Ki|
Di : Avmj Rxeb mewKQyi RbB _vKZ ne GKUv kLjv, GKUv
iwUb| mUv covkvbvi Rb hgb, Zgwb LvIqv, Mvmj I Bev`Zi
RbI| Avcwb hZ iwUb gb G KvRjv Kieb, `Leb mgq
njB m KvRwU Kivi AvMn, gbvhvM, myhvMmewKQyB cZ nq
MQ| KviY gb ZLb Gi Rb AUvgwUK cZ nq hvq| hgb, hviv
mgqgZv Lvq, `Leb wVK H mgqB Zv`i zav jvM, Zvi AvM bq|
AZGe bvgvR KLb coeb, mUvI Avcbvi iwUb Afy Ki wbb|
`Leb, mgvavb nq MQ|
98

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

j wVK Kiv
ck : Avmj Avgvi Rxebi j Kx Zv Avwg wKQyZB wi KiZ
cviwQ bv| wbRK memgq nZvk I `y`kvM gb nq| GRb cixvI
Zgb fvjv nQ bv| Kxfve GB nZvkv _K cwivY cvIqv hvq?
Di : Avgv`i mgmv wK GLvbB h, Avgiv AwaKvskB Rxebi
j wVK KiZ cvwi bv| G KviY Avgv`i ga nZvkv Pj Avm|
Rxebi j hw` GKRb gvbyl wVK KiZ cvi, Zvi Rxeb KLbv
nZvkv Avm bv; AbK euvK, AbK gvo cwieZb KiI Zvi ga
Kvbv nZvkv Avm bv|
ZvB AvcbvK gbQwe KiZ ne| cvwL hgb Zvi Me cuQvq
Wvbvq fi Ki, AvcwbI mvdji wkLi cuQeb gbQwei Wvbv gj
w`q| Avcwb wVK Kib, Avcwb Kx neb? AvMvgx cixvq Avcwb KZ
b^i cZ Pvb? GBPGmwm-i ci fwZ neb Kv_vq Zv wVK Kib|
Avcbvi gbQwe nZ ne mywbw` I my| AvMvgx cixvq Avwg
fvjv KievGUv gbQwe bq| gbQwe njvAvMvgx cixvq cwZwU
mveR Avwg 90+ cq wRwcG-5 cvev|
j nZ ne evemZ, Ze AekB eo| wXjUv hw` Puv`K j
Ki Quvob, Kgc Zv Zv MvQi gMWvj wMq jvMe| hZUv me
LyuwUbvwUmn gbQwe `Lyb| hZ wevwiZ `Leb Avcbvi Abyf~wZ ZZ
Rxe ne| Avi G Abyf~wZB ^Zt~Zfve AvcbvK wbq hve gbQwe
evevqbi w`K|
Ze gbQwe hv-B nvK bv Kb, g~j j nZ ne gvbyli KjvY
Ges mwi KjvY; mg mwMvQ, ccvwL, RxeR mewKQyi KjvY|
Avi mB mv_ wbRi KjvY Zv AvQB| Avgiv hZ wbRi I gvbyli
KjvY Kiev ZZ `Lev cKwZ Avgv`i mg KjvYi cwZ`vb
w`Q, eY cwZ`vb w`Q|
Avmj cKwZ h Kxfve cwZ`vb `q, Zvi GKUv eve D`vniY
`B| ev`ievbi jvgvi KvqvUvgg Avgv`i GKUv bZzb RvqMvK
AvMvQvgy KiwQjb Kgxiv| AvMvQv mvd KiZ KiZ nVvr Zviv
mxgvbvi GKUv MvQi KvQ Gm _gK Mjb| QvU GKUv MvQ me
ce 2 \ mvdj

99

w`Mcvb gj w`qQ Zvi Wvjcvjv| cwivi KiZ nj MvQUv KU

djvB hywhy, wK KvUZ GZ gvqv jvMjv Zv`i h, GKUz Amyweav
njI MvQUv iL `qvi wmvB wbjb Zviv| Avi Gi GK mvni
gaB Ggb GK AfvweZ NUbv NUjv hvZ cKwZi GB cwZ`vbi
evcviUv AveviI bZzb Ki Abyaveb Kijb mevB|
mvi GKUz ci jvgvi avbhvx`i wbq GKwU wRc iIbv
w`qwQjv Avwgivev` XvKvMvgx evmi Dk| wK wKQy`~i hZB
ewfRv wcwQj c_ cvnvo wKQyUv IVvi ci wbqY nvwiq wbPi
w`K MovZ i Kijv wRc Ges weRi iwjsqi KvYv fO Ici
_K Lv` coevi wVK AvMgyn~Z AvUK Mj GKUv MvQ| cvVK
Abygvb Kib Kvb MvQ| GUv mB MvQ, h MvQUvK KvUZ wMqI
KvqvUvggi Kgxiv KvUb wb| GZ mi KvIqvjv GKUv MvQ h
GKUv wRc AvUKvZ cvi, Zv PvL `Lvi AvM KD wekvm Kib wb|
ck : Avwg KwgKj Bwwbqvwisq wWc-vgv KiwQ| Avgvi j wQjv
Kvm c_g nIqv| wK Avcwb ejQb, j nIqv DwPZ Rxeb c_g
nIqv| Zvnj G gyn~Z KiYxq Kx?
Di : Rxeb c_g nIqvUv j, Avi Kvm c_g nIqvUv Dcj|
Kvm c_g nj Rxeb c_g nIqvUv mnR| GUvK ev` `qv hve bv|
ck : Avwg eemvq wefvMi Qvx| Avgvi Rxebi j ev gbQwe Kx
nIqv DwPZ?
Di : j nIqv DwPZ, Avwg h mveR-G hvB, hv-B Avwg cwo,
hv-B Avwg Kwi, Avwg hb Avgvi G vbUvK gvbyli mevq KvR
jvMvZ cvwi| KviY Avcwb hw` gvbyli mev, RvwZi mev, `ki
mevq Avcbvi vbK KvR jvMvb, Avcbvi KvbvwKQyi Afve ne
bv| A_ hgb cveb, mB mv_ cveb we-LvwZ-cwZcw|
Avgiv hw` G wc R Avyj Kvjvgi K_v awi, `Lev h, Zvi
Rxebi j wQjv wevbx nq `ki mevq m vbUvK KvR
jvMvbv| Dwb we`k hKvbv wekwe`vjqi cdmi nZ cviZb,
100

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

we`wk MelYvMvi wMq MelYv KiZ cviZb| wK Zv wZwb Pvb wb,

ay `ki mev KiZ PqQb| G KviY Zvi `k Ges RvwZ Zvi
AvwiK mevi cwZ`vb w`qQ ZvK `ki ivcwZ Ki| GKRb
gvwSi Qj nqI fviZi BwZnvm wZwb Agi nq _vKeb| wK Zvi
mgmvgwqK Zv Aviv KqK nvRvi wevbx wQjb, Zv`i K_v wK
fviZi jvKRb iY Kie? Kie bv, KviY Zviv nqZv we`k
wMq eo jKPvivi ev MelK nqQb, `kK wKQz w`Z Pvb wb|
AZGe Rxebi jUv nQ Lye iZc~Y| Avcwb AvM wi Kib
h, Avcwb Rxeb _K Kx Pvb| Avcbvi j hw` nq gvUv eZbi
PvKwi-evwo-Mvwo-UvKv, Zvnj eySZ ne Avcwb cY`vmZi gixwPKvi
cQb QyUQb| Avi DcvRbB wK me bq| GKRb gvbyl 50 nvRvi
UvKv DcvRb Kijv, wK gvm Zvi LiP nq Mj 60 nvRvi UvKv,
evj Kx njv? gvBbvm 10 nvRvi UvKv| hgb, GK GgweG-i K_v
ewj| gvm eZb cvq 40 nvRvi UvKv| wK Zvi wbRi PvLi
wPwKrmvi Rb 60 nvRvi UvKv jvMe| m UvKv ZvK wbZ nQ Zvi
gvqi KvQ _K| wZb eQi PvKwi Kivi ciI hw` Zvi G Aev nq,
Zvi gvb Kx?
Avi GKRb gvbyl hw` 10 nvRvi UvKv DcvRb Ki GK nvRvi UvKv
RgvZ cvi Zvnj Kx njv? c-vm Iqvb _vDR, m wK FYx bq, m
mqx| AZGe Rxeb Avmj AbK eo Ges GUv GKUvB| mRb
AvcbvK GK RxebB c_g nZ ne| gavi weKvk NUvZ ne|
Avevi Avcwb GKRb mdj eemvqx wnme wbRi gavK mevq
cwiYZ KiZ cvib| m Abyhvqx gbQwe `Lyb|
ck : Rxeb c_g nIqvUv GKUz eywSq ejeb wK?
Di : Avmj Avgiv `LwQKvm c_g nIqvGwU GKwU ji
Ask, GKwU z` j gv| aygv Kvm hviv c_g nqQ Zv`i
AwaKvskB Rxeb c_g nZ cvi wb, e_ nqQ| ZvB Avgv`iK
Rxeb c_g nZ ne| Rxeb h c_g nqQ m-B Avmj mdj|
Avi G wkv Avgv`i zj, KjR, wekwe`vjq cvIqv hvq bv|
KviY Rxeb c_g nIqvi Rb cvVcyK wekl Kvq`vq gyL KivB
ce 2 \ mvdj

101

h_ bq| Rxeb c_g nIqvi Rb Aviv wKQy Yvewj Ges wbRi

Aviv wKQy gav weKwkZ Kiv cqvRb|
Avi GUv nQ eveZv h, Kvm c_g njI Rxeb hw` Avcwb
c_g nZ bv cvib, Zvnj Avcbvi G cvw A_nxb nq hve| Rxeb
c_g nIqvi m~UvK Avgiv Gfve `LZ cvwi :
Rxeb 1g = `Zv + mZZv + gvbweKZv + mNeZv > AvKlYi
K`we`y > mevi Avkq I fimvj|
Avi Rxeb c_g nIqvi gbQweK hviv jvjb Kie Zviv Rxebi
cwZwU B bZZ `eay `k bq, we`kI| Avcbviv `Lyb,
mviv wek GLb GKwU weiZv PjQ| bZZi msKU PjQ| 50 eQi
AvM h gvci bZviv wQjb, wek eQi AvMI h gvci bZviv
wQjb m gvci bZv GLb Avi mviv wek bB| mB aibi bZvi
Afy`q ne AvMvgx 15 _K 20 eQii ga| cwZ wbj, wbRi
gavK weKwkZ Kij mB gvci bZv nZ cvieb AvcbvivB|
ck : covjLvq evi evi iRv Lvivc nQ wK AvwgI Pv Pvwjq
hvwQ| Gw`K Avgvi ezeveiv KD eemvq KD PvKwiZ hy
nqQ| G Avgvi Kx Kiv DwPZ?
Di : Avcbvi Rxebi jUv Kx GUv iZc~Y| jLvcovi dj GLb
Lvivc nQ| wK fvjv Ki Zvici Kx Kieb? GRb Avcbvi
ckvMZ jUv Avcbvi KvQ cwivi _vKv DwPZ| Zvnj Avcwb
wbRB wmv wbZ cvieb h, Avcbvi Kx Kiv DwPZ|
Avi iRv Lvivc njB h Avcwb Rxeb mdj nZ cvieb bv,
Zv bq| AbK gvbylB AvQb hviv nqZv GKvWwgK Rxeb e_| wK
Rxeb mdj| mcwZ AvgwiKvi dvem mvgwqKx wekmiv 125 abxi
ZvwjKv cKvk KiwQjv| gRvi evcvi nQ, G`i 73 RbiB Kvbv
cvwZvwbK wkv bB| G`i ga wej MUm, gvBKj Wj, wiPvW
evbmbi gZv wekmiv chywwe`I AvQb|
ck : cixvq fvjv Kivi Rb covUvB wK me? GQvov evowZ wKQy
Rvbvi wK Kvbv `iKvi bB?
102

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Di : Avmj Avgiv covkvbvK `yfvM fvM KiZ cvwi| GKwU njv

vbvRb, AviKwU cixvq fvjv Kiv| G `yB covkvbv wK `yaibi|
vbvRbi Rb GKfve Avi cixvq fvjv Kivi Rb AviKfve
covkvbv KiZ ne|
hgb, cixvq fvjv Kivi Rb cqvRb wekl wKQy Kvq`vq
jLvcov Kiv| wK vbvRbi Rb cqvRb Rxebi cvV MnY|
GgbwK cvwZvwbK wkvq wkwZ bv nqI GKRb gvbyl vbx nZ
cvib| Avi Avgv`i Rb `ywUB cqvRb| cixvq fvjv KiZ ne|
vbvRbI AvMnx nZ ne| bexRx (m)-K wRm Kiv nqwQjv
mePq fvjv I eo `vb Kx? wZwb ejjb, vb ARb Ki I `vb Ki|
GwUB nQ mePq eo `vb| Gi Pq eo `vb Avi wKQyB bB|
Avgv`i wcq bex (m) vbK hZ iZ w`qQb cw_exZ Avi
KD vbK GZ iZ `b wb| Avgiv AbK mgq gb Kwiknx`
nZ cvijB enkZ Pj hvev A_P bexRx (m) ejQb, vbx
ewi Kjgi Kvwj knx`i ii PqI cwe| KviY vb hvi nvZ
_vK bZZ Zvi nvZB _vK| Avgiv AvR cvvZi w`K ZvwKq
AvwQ Kb? KviY elwqK vb I chyw Zv`i nvZ|
GKmgq vb I chyw GwkqvZ wQjv, Gwkqv ZLb mviv cw_exK
wbqY KiQ| gvS wbqY Pj Mj cvvZi nvZ| GLb wK
Avevi Dv nvIqv eBZ i KiQmycvi cvIqvi AvgwiKv wK
vbi w`K _K `Dwjqv nq hvQ|
AwjqviI GKB Aev| Zviv GLb Gwkqv _K gav wbq
hvQ| Gwkqvi hZ fvjv QvQvx AvQ Zv`i AvgwiKv jviwkc
w`q wbq hvQ| G _K Kx cgvY nq? Zv`i vbi `xbZv! Zviv
GKmgq kwgK wbq hZ, GLb Zviv wbRivB kwgK nQ|
wK eveZv njv, FY Ki KD KLbv eojvK nZ cvi bv;
Zgwb avi KiI KD ewkw`b KZZ KiZ cvi bv| cvvZi cZb
i nqQ Avi Avgv`i Dvbi mgq GmQ| Avgv`i Dvbi
Rb cqvRb njv gavK weKwkZ Kiv|
gvbyl memgqB vb viv cwiPvwjZ| cw_exZ memgq gav ivRZ
Ki| gavK hZ weKwkZ Kieb ZZ bZZ Avcbvi nvZ Avme|
Avi GRb c_g hwU cqvRb Zv njv vbvRb|
ce 2 \ mvdj

103

GLb ck nZ cvi, Avgiv cvwZvwbK covkvbvi cwZ GZ Rvi

w`wQ Kb? KviY wkvRxeb GwMq _vKj Rxeb c_g nIqvi c_ nq
AbK mnR| hviv cvwZvwbK jLvcovq fvjv iRvi gvag
^xKwZ cvq Zviv Rxeb c_g nIqvi c_ AaK GwMq hvq| KviY
vb I Z_ GKRb gvbyli Pjvi c_K AbK mnR Ki, Zivw^Z
Ki| Aek G vb ay cyuw_MZ vb bq| Kvm h c_g nq Zvi c
G vb ARbi myhvM ^vfvweKfveB ewk|
ck : 2011 mvj GBPGmwm cixvq 3.30 cqwQ wK 12-Z Avevi
GBPGmwm cixv w`wQ Mvb G-c-vm cvIqvi Dk| GUv wK
AjxK Kbvi ga co? Avwg wK Mvb G cvIqvi wPv ev` `ev?
[wekl `e : cixvi mgq kvixwiK-gvbwmKfve Amy wQjvg]
Di : hUv eve, hLvb KqK nvRvi G-c-vm cvQ, mUv Kb
Avcwb AjxK gb Kieb? cwikg Kij hUv ARb Kiv me mUv
AjxK Kbv bq, mUv memgq eveZv| hw` Avcwb G-c-vm cvIqvi
Rb wbqwgZ covkvbv Kib, cwikg Kib, Ze GUv nQ eveZv|
ck : Abvm Gm iRv Lye GKUv fvjv njv bv| GUvK MvD
wRiv ai BQv njv gvvm Lye fvjv GKUv BDwbfvwmwU _K fvjv
GKUv iRv Kiev| Gw`K fvjv fvwmwUZ gvvm fwZ nZ nj
Abvm fvjv iRv `iKvi| m Kx Kiv DwPZ?
Di : Avmj GUv GK aibi evKvwg! AvcbvK evevbyM nZ ne,
evKvi gZv PvBj ne bv| hLvb iRv fvjv BDwbfvwmwUZ
XvKvi AbyKj bq, mLvb Avcwb Kxfve PvBeb h, fvjv fvwmwUZ
covjLv Kieb? AvcbvK hKvbv fvwmwUZ XyKZ ne Ges mLvb
_KB iRv fvjv KiZ ne|
ck : fvjv Qv`i wKQy LvwZi weo^bv AvQ| Zviv Kxfve GUv
wiwmf Kie? G mgq wKQy mgmvq coZ nq| GUv gBbUBb Kivi
Dcvq ej w`b|
104

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Di : LvwZi weo^bv ej wKQy bB| GUvI GK aibi fvb, weklZ

Qv Aevq LvwZ cj KD weow^Z eva Ki bv, fZiUv ek xZ
nq IV h, AgyK AUvMvdi Rb AvmQ, AgyK fvBqv/ Avcv
ejQ| mevB cQ` Ki| GK AvaRb ewZg nqZv _vKZ cvib|
GUvK mnRfve MnY Kieb|
Avcwb fvjv nqQb, AvcbvK mevB wPbQ Zvi gvb Kx?
AvcbvK Zviv iZ w`Q Ges GKRb KvqvUvg MvRyqU wnme
Avcbvi ZLb KiYxq nQfvjv Qv nIqvi Rb Zv`iK DrmvwnZ
Kiv| Zvnj `Leb h, G LvwZUv weo^bv nQ bv, LvwZUv Avcbvi
Rb Avb`i evcvi nQ|
Avcbvi ZLb mx evoZ _vKe, Abymvix evoZ _vKe| Avmj
f Ges Abymvixi ga cv_K AvQ| fiv viK bvPvq, Avi
Abymvixiv viK AbymiY Ki| Zviv Avcbvi Abymvix ne hw`
Avcbvi Pvicvk hviv AvmQ Zv`i cwZ Avcwb GKUz ggZv `b,
Zv`iK hw` GKUz Dy Kib| ZvivI h Avcbvi gZv LvwZgvb nZ
cvi, fvjv Qv nZ cvi GUvK hw` Avcwb evSvb|
ck : mvivYB covkvbv wbq GZ ewk Ubkb _vwK h, gvS gvS
wbRK Lye mW gb nq| G mgq covI fvjv nq bv| mgvavb Kx?
Di : mvivY covkvbv wbq wPv Ki wbRi Ici gvvwZwi m
bqvi Kvbv cqvRb bB| nvfvW weRbm zj Zv`i GK MelYvq
`LZ cvq, zj-KjRi covkvbv GKRb gvbyli `Zvi gv 15%
Zwi Ki| evwK 85%-B ZvK wkLZ nq Rxebi zj _K|
hgb wej MUm| cvwZvwbK jLvcov kl bv KijI wZwb
nqwQjb gvBvmdUi KYavi| nqQb weki GK b^i abx|
KvRB GKUv cixvq GKUz Kg fvjv njB Avcbvi Rxeb e_ nq
hve bv| GKRb Abb wkv_x coeb vbi Rb| b^i ne Zvi
evB-cvWv|
Abi mv_ cwZhvwMZvi Kvbv kl bB| Avcwb hZ fvjv
djvdjB Kib, memgqB KD bv KD Kvbv bv Kvbvfve Avcbvi
Pq GwMq _vKe| ZvB cwZhvwMZvq bvgybAbi mv_ bq, wbRi
ce 2 \ mvdj

105

mv_| dv Uvg 70% b^i cj mK Uvg Pv Kib Gi Pq

ewk cZ| ZvnjB Avcwb mK GovZ cvieb|
GZ A mgq GZ cov coev Kxfve BZvw` fe LvgvLv
mW bv nq KvMR-Kjg wbq em hvb| c-vb Kib KZ mgq AvQ,
Avi cov evwK KZUv? ZviciB coZ emyb| hZ GZ _vKeb ZZ
m KgZ _vKe| gb ivLeb `xNm~wZv mi GKUv eo KviY|
Rxebi Rb covkvbv, covkvbvi Rb Rxeb bq| ZvB
covkvbvi cvkvcvwk eve Rxebi mv_I mc _vKzb| myhvMgZv
evmvq gvK mvnvh Kib, KuvPvevRvii fviUv wbRB wbq wbb| mvn
AZ GKw`b dvDkb mgq w`b| gvwUi evsK ev wnwjsqi K_v
GKRb ezK ejyb| `Leb mi cfve Kg MQ|

DPwkv \ Kx coeb, Kv_vq coeb

ck : Avwg b_ mvD_ BDwbfvwmwUZ covjLv KiZ PvB, wK Avgvi
vi Lye fvjv bv| Avwg G welq Kxfve mvdj cZ cvwi?
Di : Avmj b_ mvD_ fvwmwUZ cov Lye iZc~Y welq bq| Kvbv
fvwmwUZ covUvB iZc~Y bq, hw` Avcwb iRv fvjv bv Kib|
AZGe fvwmwU bq eis covkvbvi w`K gb w`Z ne|
ck : Avwg fwelZ AvBb welq covkvbv KiZ PvB| G welq
Avcbvi gZvgZ Kx?
Di : GLb AvBb welq Kb covkvbv KiZ Pvb GUv Avcbvi KvQ
cwivi _vKZ ne| AvBb welq covkvbv Ki Kx ne? AvBbRxex
neb A_ev wePviK neb| Kx nZ Pvb mUvi Ici wbfi KiQ AvBb
welq coeb wK bv| gvbyli DcKvi AvBbi vbK KvR jvMvj,
fvjv KvR Kij wVK AvQ| Avcwb AvBb coZ cvib|
ck : Avwg QvZKB Kvwiqvi wnme ai wbqwQ| Avwg XvKv
wekwe`vjq L BDwbU cixv w`Z PvB| wK Bswjk Avgvi fq|
106

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Di : wKQy bv, BswjkUv wkL djjB njv| Avi GLb Zv QvZB

Kvwiqvi| KviY wekwe`vjq fwZ nZ ne| cvk KiZ ne, Zvici
Ab Kvwiqvi hveb|
ck : Avcwb GKevi ejQb Bmjvgi BwZnvm I mswZ wefvMi
Kvbv fvjy bB| Avwg ivRkvnx wekwe`vjq _K GB welq GgG
KiwQ| GUzKz wbtm`n ejZ cvwi h, eZgvb hyMi kvmK`i _K
iv cwiPvjbvi `wfw Avgvi h_ DbZ| Avwg GB evcvi Avcbvi
ge Avkv Kwi|
Di : Avcwb hw` Zv-B gb Kib Zvnj Zv Avcbvi nZvk nIqv
DwPZ bq| GUv Lye fvjv| Ze ay Bmjvgi BwZnvm co bq,
Bmjvgi BwZnvmi evBiI Aviv AbK wKQy co Avcbvi ga GB
AvZwekvm mw nqQ| KviY mvaviYfve GLvb hv covbv nq,
hfve covbv nq Gme vb Kvbv KvR Avm bv| Ges Kvbv
welqi Ici GB `Lj, vbi GB MfxiZv Ab welqi Qv nqI
ARb Kiv hZ cvi|
Avgiv ejwQ v `wfwi K_v, Ab Kv_vI fwZi myhvM bv cq
GLvb fwZ njvg hvZ jvKRbK ejZ cviev h, Avwg
BDwbfvwmwUZ cowQ| Avi covkvbv bv Ki cixvi AvM AvM wKQy
bvUm wKb gyL Kijvg, cixvq cvm Kijvg| Avgiv GB eevi
wb`v Kwi| Avgiv ewj mveR KvbvUvB Lvivc bq hw` Avcwb mB
mveR GcvU nZ cvib|
wK Bmjvgi BwZnvm coZ ne hvZ wekwe`vjqi LvZvq
Avgvi bvgUv _vKZ cviGUv Kvbv j nIqv DwPZ bq| KviY
wekwe`vjqi LvZvq bvg wQjv bv Ggb e gvbyl BwZnvm weLvZ
nqQb| Zv`i bvg BwZnvm hy nqQ|
Avevi wekwe`vjq coQb wK ALvZ-AvZ _KB cw_ex
_K Pj MQbGgb AbK gvbylB AvQb| AZGe nZvk nIqvi
wKQy bB| hw` `wfw mwVK nq Ges eZgvb hyMi kvmK`i Pq
kvmbeev mK Avcbvi vb Aviv cMvp _vK Zvnj wbtm`n
fvjv Kieb|
ce 2 \ mvdj

107

cm cvBfU BDwbfvwmwU
ck : Avcwb ejb cvBfU BDwbfvwmwUZ hviv coQ Zv`i Kvbv
Avkv bB| Zvnj Avgiv hviv Gme wekwe`vjq cowQ Avgv`i Kx
ne? Avgv`i Rb wK Kvbv Avkvi evYx bB?
Di : AwaKvsk cvBfU wekwe`vjqi evcvi Avkvi evYx kvbvZ
cvij Avgv`iI fvjv jvMZv| wK mUv cviwQ bv| cvewjK
wekwe`vjq fwZ nZ bv cvij AwaKvsk Qj-gq gv-evevK eva
Ki Zv`iK cvBfU BDwbfvwmwUZ covbvi Rb| gv-evev AbK
K A_ msMn Ki covb| wK GB A_ Ges mgq eq Kivq Kvbv
jvf bB|
Avmj Kvbv Kvbv cvBfU BDwbfvwmwUZ covi Pq wWwM cvm
Kvm covI AbK fvjv| KviY mvaviY KjR wWwM cvm Kij AZ
QvULvUv GKUv PvKwi cveb| Avi emiKvwi wekwe`vjq weweG cvk
Ki PvKwi wbZ Mj PvKwi`vZv c_gB gb KiebG Zv _vKe
bv| ZvB GK ivLvi `iKvi bB| Avevi hviv cwZwZ wekwe`vjq
weweG coQ Zv`i mv_ Avcwb cvieb bv|
KqKwU cvBfU wekwe`vjq Qvov Avi mejvZ aygv jvK
`Lvbvi Rb, Avwg AgyK wekwe`vjq cwo ejZ cvivi Rb
coQ Qj-gqiv| GLb XvKvZB cvq 50wUi gZv emiKvwi
wekwe`vjq nqQ| wKQyw`b ci Gjvi msLv KwR zji gZv nq
hve| nvZ Mvbv KqKwU wekwe`vjqi wWwM PvKwii KvR
jvMe| evwKjvZ cov cyivcywi A_nxb|
KvRB hviv emiKvwi wekwe`vjq coQb, nqZv mK Bqvi ev
_vW Bqvi AvQb, Zv`i `wfw nIqv DwPZ hLvb coQb, mLvb
_KB Avi Kx Kx Kiv hvq| nqZv Iiv cove bv| wK Avcbvi
`wfw neGB Z_ GB chywvb AvgvKB ARb KiZ newbRi
D`vM, wbRi Pvq| Avi GLb gy Z_cevni G hyM bvbvb
aibi bZzb vb kLvi myhvM meviB nvZi bvMvj| GB gbvfve
wbq hw` Avcwb cob, ZvnjB Avcwb fvjv djvdj KiZ cvieb
Ges hvM nq DVeb|
108

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

we`k coZ hvIqv

ck : Abvm coB PvKwiZ XyK cowQ, fvjvI KiwQ| wK Avgvi
`ki evBi gvvm Kivi ^c ew`bi| me hvMZv _vKvi ciI
`yevi wcwQq AvmZ nqQ wbRi i mKi Kviv jvL jvL UvKv bv
_vKvi KviY| Avwg jviwkcI cqwQ| wK evwK UvKvUv avi KiZ
ne| hw`I Rvwb FY fvjv mgvavb bq| Avwg GLb Kx Kiev?
Di : Avcwb Abvm KiB PvKwiZ XyKQb| fvjvI KiQb| G
Aevq Kb gvvm KiebmUv c_g cwivi nIqv `iKvi| ZvI
Avevi FY Ki we`k wMq! GUv wK Avcbvi PvKwii Kvbv cqvRb?
Avcbvi ck co wK ZgbUv gb nQ bv|
Avmj GUv GK aibi RyM h, Avwg we`k wMq gvvm Kiev!
AbK gb Ki we`k _K gvvm Ki GjB eva nq AbK UvKv
eZbi PvKwi cvIqv hve| GUv LyeB fyj aviYv| gvSLvb _K j
j UvKv FY Ki Avcwb wec` coeb| KvRB G wmvi evcvi
AvcbvK Vvv gv_vq Aviv fveZ ne| ay gvvm Kivi Rb FY
Ki we`k hvIqvUv GKUv AvnvwK Qvov Avi wKQy ne bv| Avi
Avcwb hnZz BZvga ckvRxeb cek KiQb, `kB Avcwb
gvvm Ki wbZ cvib|
Avi nuv, cyiv jviwkc cj DPZi wkvi Rb we`k hvIqv
hZ cvi| wK FY Ki bq| FY Ki hvivB DPwkvi Rb we`k
MQb, cieZxZ Zv`i AbykvPbv KiZ nqQ|
ck : Avgvi gav gag gvbi, Avw_K mwZI Zgb bB, wK `ki
evBii Kvbv wekwe`vjq _K DPwkv MnY KiZ PvB|
Di : Avcbvi gav gag gvbi, Avw_K mwZI Zgb bB, Zvnj
we`ki DPwkv w`q Kx ne? Avcbvi `ki iRv hw` fvjv
nZv, ZvnjI wVK wQjv h, we`k wMq Avwg GKUv wcGBPwW Ki
Gjvg| Avcwb hw` wekwe`vjqi cfvlK nZb Zvnj GZ nqZv
Avcbvi wekwe`vjq cdmi nZ myweav nZv| wK Avcbvi `kB
ce 2 \ mvdj

109

iRv Lvivc, Avw_K mwZ bB, we`k wekwe`vjq co Kx ne?

Avmj Gjv nQ wKQy wKQy Awe`v, hv Avgv`i gv_vi ga XyK
AvQ| GB Awe`vjv _K gy _vKZ ne| we`k Avgv`i Pq
fvjv covq bv| mLvb nvB-evB AbK wKQy Avcwb wkLZ cvieb|
wK covi gvb Avgv`i Pq fvjv bv|
ck : memgq Avgvi BQ Bsjv GgweG Kivi| wK wUDkb wd ewk
nIqvq AvgvK AvibwUf wPv KiZ nQ| Kxfve Avwg G j
AwePj _vKev?
Di : Bsjv wMq GgweG KivGUv Kvbv j nZ cvi bv|
ILvb GgweG Kiv Avi evsjv`k GgweG Kivi ga gwjK Kvbv
cv_K bB| Rxeb c_g nIqvi Rb GUv AvekK bq|
ck : Avgvi weweG cov kl nqQ wKQyw`b njv, Avwg GLb we`k
hZ AvMnx| Avgvi BQ wQjv GgweG-i Rb BDK hvev Ges
mLvb GgweG kl PvKwi Kiev| wK GLb evsjv`k _K
zWUiv hfve mLvb GgweG KiZ hvQ ZvZ Gi gvb co hvq
wK bv eySZ cviwQ bv| GLb wmv wbZ cviwQ bvBDK, Awjqv
ev KvbvWvi ga Kv_vq hvIqvi Pv Kiv Avgvi Rb KjvYKi ne|
Di : Avmj GKK mgq GKKUv R i nq| Bsjv, BDivc
wMq GgweG Kiv Ges Gici mvaviY PvKwi cvIqvI Lye KwVb nq
hvq| KviY Gme cwZvbi AwaKvskB nQ evwYRwbfi| Gjvi
AwaKvski wWwMiB Kvbv g~j bB| wZxqZ, Bsjv covkvbv
KiZ hvIqvi Rb GZ wevcb `qvi KviY Zv`i GLb A_bwZK
g`v PjQ| Avcwb GK eQii h Kvm wd w`jb GUvB Zv`i jvf|
ZvivI Rvb h, Avcwb GLvb coZ AvmQb bv, PvKwi KiZ
AvmQb| Avcwb covkvbvI Kieb bv Avi ILvb wMq Kvbv PvKwiI
cveb bv| GLb Bsjv AW Re cvIqvI gykwKj| evOvwj`i
AwaKvskB hviv hvQ Zv`i _vKvi RvqMv bB, gmwR` _vK Ges
iv cvKi e Nygvq| DcvRbi Rb Kvbv KvR bB| AZGe
110

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

mwZKvii covkvbvi Rb hw` hvb, hw` Avcbvi cwievii mvg_

_vK, Avcwb fvjv BDwbfvwmwUZ covkvbvi Rb hZ cvib| wK
ILvb PvKwi Ki covkvbv KiebG Dk bv hvIqvB fvjv| Gi
Pq H UvKv w`q `kB AbK fvjv wKQy KiZ cvieb|

fvjv RvqMvq fwZ nZ bv cvij

ck : Avwg G eQi GBPGmwm cvk KiwQ| ek KwU wekwe`vjq fwZ
cixv w`qI c_gmvwii welq cvB wb| A_P wekwe`vjq covi BQv
Avgvi ew`bi| Zvnj wK GLb hKvbv welq fwZ nq hvev bvwK
emiKvwi wekwe`vjq fwZ nev?
Di : hKvbv g~j AgyK wekwe`vjq coZ neGUv
QvQvx`i Rxebi GKUv eo Awe`v| KviY mwZKvii vbvRbi
Rb bv nq hw` wekwe`vjq cowQay GB Mei Rb hKvbv
GKwU welq fwZ nZ neG `wfw Kvbv wkv_xi _vK, Zvnj
GB jLvcov Zvi Rxeb Kvbv KvR jvMe bv|
Avevi hw` c_g nZ cvib, Zvnj bwevbi gZv welq
jLvcov Ki KZx Qvx wnme we`ki gvwUZ `ki cwZwbwaZ
KiQb Ggb D`vniYI AvQ| wbRi covkvbv ev ckvi welq evwYR
njI BwZnvm Mfxi vbi KviY Rbwcq ev wnme mgv`Z
nqQb Ggb ewI iqQb|
KvRB wbRi welqK fvjevmZ bv cvij ay KvbviKg cvk
Kivi gbvew wbq wekwe`vjq fwZ nq Kvbv jvf bB| Zvi Pq
cvm Kvm fwZ nIqv AbK fvjv| Avi emiKvwi wekwe`vjq cm
ejv hvq, `yGKwU Qvov AwaKvsk emiKvwi wekwe`vjq GKKwU eo
AvKvii KvwPs mUvi Qvov Avi wKQyB bq| wecyj A_i Zzjbvq
GLvb h jLvcov, wkv Dcv`vb, AeKvVvgv Ges wkK gvb iqQ
Zvi wePvi Gjv AwaKvskB wekwe`vjq bvg cwiwPZ nIqvi Dchy
bq| GLvb _K wWwM wbq cieZxZ AbK B QvQvxiv PvKwii
evRvi e_ nq|
ZvB wekwe`vjq bv coj Rxeb e_ nq hve G `wfw ZvM
ce 2 \ mvdj

111

Kib Ges h welqB cob bv Kb m welqB c_g nIqvi j wbq

Pv Kib| `Leb, Avcwb ewZgx wnme mdj neb|
ck : KvwZ wekwe`vjq fwZ nZ cvwi wb| A_P GUvB wQjv Avgvi
gbQwe| ZvB MZ wZb gvm ai gbQwe `LwQ bv| GLb Avwg jnxb|
Kx Kiev?
Di : jnxb nq Zv Kvbv jvf nq wb eis wbRK Aviv wcwQq
djQb| Avmj gbQwe Sbvavivi gZv GwMq wbq hvq| ZvB GZ
Avwg Kxfve cuQev GUv memgq Avgvi wbavwiZ c_i Ici wbfi
Ki bv| dj mvgwqK e_Zv GjI ZvZ wbivk nIqvi wKQy bB|
nqZv G e_ZvB AvcbvK ji w`K GwMq wbq hve|
wevbx RM`xk P` emy| RbwQjb gqgbwmsn| KjKvZvi mU
Rwfqvm KjR _K weG Kivi ci gwWwmb wbq coZ hvb wejZ|
wK AmyZvi KviY GK eQi coI Qo w`Z eva njb| `k
wdi i Kib Aavcbv| wK Aveviv evav| cwmWw KjR
ZLbKvi wbqg wQjv evOvwj nj Zvi eZb ne BsiR AavcKi
eZbi wZb fvMi `yB fvM| Avi bZzb hvM`vb KiQb ej
RM`xki eZb njv gv GK fvM|
G elgi cwZev` Uvbv wZbwU eQi RM`xk P` emy KjR _K
Kvbv eZb bb wb| kl ch Zvi ewZi KvQ bwZ ^xKvi eva
njv KZc| wbqg Zv cvvjvB Avi PvKwiZ hvM`vbi ZvwiL
_K cyiv wZb eQii eZb cyivcywi eywSq w`jv ZvK| eZvi h,
MvQi cvY BZvw` Avwevimn AvaywbK mfZvq Zvi Ae`vb AbK|
gwWKj zj _K Si bv coj AvR Avgiv wevbx RM`xk P`
emyK bv cq cZvg RbK Wvvi RM`xk P` emyK!
AZGe weK c_ LuyR ei Kib| KvwZ wekwe`vjq fwZ nZ
cvib wb Zv Kx nqQ? H wekwe`vjq hviv coQ Zviv mevB wK
dv nqQ? mevB Rxeb c_g nqQ? wbqB bv| Ggb AbK AvQ
hviv dj KiQ, Lvivc iRv KiQ| KviY nqZv Zviv mvgwqK
mvdji Me A nq wMqwQjv| AZGe nZvkvq fvMvi wKQy bB|
gbQwe evevqbi c_ Kvbv c`c e_ njI kvKiMvRvi
112

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

_vKeb| KviY mB bv nIqvUvB nqZv Avcbvi gbQweK Aviv

Zivw^Z Kie|
ck : dvDkb b GmwQ, Avb` wbq cov hvq ev ^Zt~ZZv wbq
KvR Kiv hvqGgb welqB eQ bqv DwPZ| Avgvi Lye AvMn wQjv
mbv KgKZv A_ev Wvvi nIqvi| wK evav nq `uvovjv Avgvi
Kvjvi e-vBbm| mbvevwnbxZ njv bv| Rvbjvg gwWKjI ne bv|
GLb Avwg Kx Kiev eySZ cviwQ bv| Ab KvbvwKQyi cwZ AvMn
cvwQ bv| nqZv fwZ cixvq hLvb wUKev mLvbB fvjv Kvbv
mveR fwZ nev| wK AvMn cvwQ bv GKeviB|
Di : mbv KgKZv ev Wvvi nZ cvieb bvGUv wbq nZvkvi Kx
AvQ! Kvjvi e-vBbm Avcbvi evav bq| eis GUvB Avcbvi kw nZ
cvi hw` G wbq Kvbv nxbbZvq bv fvMb| Rxeb AbK eo|
AvMn mw Kib| GRb AUvmvRkb w`b| AvMn mw nj, c_g nZ
cvij cwZwU mveRB fvjv|
Qv D`vniY `BivRkvnxZ Avgiv hLb KvqvUvg g_W Kvm
KiwQjvg, GK gq Kvm kl AvgvK Gm ejjvZvi Lye `ytL,
KviY m Kvbv fvjv mveR cvq wb, cqQ b-wevb| hUvK m
giv mveR ej AvLvwqZ Kijv| Avwg ejjvg h, gv, mveR giv
bv, GUv Lye Rxe mveR| GUvZ dv nIqvi Pv Ki, iRv
fvjv Ki Ges AvRK _K GB mveRK fvjevmv h, GUvZ Avwg
c_g nev| Gi cwZ gbvhvMx nI| m ejjv h, Avcwb ejQb?
Avwg ejjvg, nuv, Avwg ejwQ|
mB gq Abvm _vW Bqvi coZ coZB AvgwiKv _K
GKgvmi Rb Nyi Gjv| KviY Zvi mveR ZLb m dvKvm
dv| AvgwiKvZ Gb_vcjwRi Ici mwgbvi ne, miv Qvx
wnme m Mj mLvb| m Abvm dv njv, gvvm dv njv
Ges GLb wekwe`vjqi wkK| A_vr Kvbv mveR Lvivc bv hw`
Avcwb fvjv nb| Avi Avcwb hw` Lvivc nbme mveR Lvivc|
Avcwb GgweG-i gZv GKUv fvjv mveR Pv cjb, wK
iRv Kijb _vW Kvm bvBb_| Avcwb Zv Kivwbi PvKwiI cveb
ce 2 \ mvdj

113

bv| wcqb wnme KD AvcbvK be bv| Avevi AwdmviI nZ

cvieb bv|
AZGe mveRUv Kx GUv iZc~Y bv, iZc~Y nQ Avcwb
mveRUv fvjevmb wK bv| Avcwb hw` mveRUvK fvjevmZ
cvib, hw` mveR gbvhvM w`Z cvib, h mveRB cob Avcwb
fvjv Kieb| Avcwb HUvZ wekl nq hvb| hLbB Kvbv wKQyZ
Avcwb wekl neb, AvcbvK cQb w`K ZvKvZ ne bv|
ck : Avwg GmGmwm cixv `ev| GKRb ejQ, Zzwg me mveR
fvjv KijI Bswjk G-c-vm cve bv| wK Avwg Bswjk Lvivc bv|
Avwg Rvwb Ges wekvm Kwi h, Avwg G-c-vm cvev| wK ZeyI
nxbbZvq fyMwQ| Kx Kiev?
Di : GB nxbbZvB nQ Avcbvi Rb wZKi| KviY nxbbZv
GKUv mgq Avcbvi ga v wekvm mw Kie hv Avcbvi e_Zvi
KviY ne|
Avmj wekvm GKUv gRvi evcvi| mdj gvbyl Ges e_ gvbyl
`yqiB wekvm AvQ| wK wekvmi cvUvbUv GK`g Avjv`v| wekvm
Avmj wPvi hvMvhvM| hgb aib, Avcwb hLb zj coZb,
cixv GjB Ri, gv_ve_v, cUe_v, cvZjv cvqLvbv ev Ab Kvbv
bv Kvbv AmyL `Lv w`Zv| Avcbvi evev ejjb, cixv GjB `wL
Zvgvi AmyL-wemyL nq| Avcbvi c_g wbDivKvbKkb Zwi njv|
gv nqZv ZLb ejjb, AvwgI GiKg wQjvg| Ilya Lq fvBfv
w`Z hZvg| Avcbvi aviYvUv mg njv, KviY wbRK evSvjb h,
cvwievwiKfve Avcwb nqZv evcviUv cqQb| cixv wgm Kivi ci
gv hLb AvcbvK wbq zj Mjb, KvmgUiv ejZ jvMjv, Zywg
cixvK fq cvI? DiUv gb gbB w`jb h, nuv, fq cvB| wUPvi
ejjv, wK evcy! cixv GjB `wL Lvwj AmyL-wemyL| Avcbvi ga
wekvm Rbvjv h, Avcbvi ga cixvfxwZ AvQ| Gici _K
cixv GjB Avcwb Awi nq IVb| Kvbv bv Kvbvfve GovZ
Pvb| Aekl Amy nq cob| eo Kvm DVjI cixv gvbB
Avcbvi KvQ g~wZgvb AvZ| A_vr wekvmUv k~b _K Avm wb|
114

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Avcbvi AwfZv, cvwicvwkK cwZwqv, `wfw, G mewKQyi GKUv

hvMvhvMi ga w`q Zwi nqQ G wekvm, v wekvm|
GKRb gvbyl mdj nq ev e_ nq Zvi wekvmi KviY| gy wekvm
hgb ZvK mdj Ki, Zgwb v wekvm ZvK kLwjZ Ki, wcwQq
`q| KvRB K Kx ejQ bv ejQ mUv iZc~Y bq| iZc~Y njv
Avcwb wbR Kx wekvm KiQb| Avi wbR hv wekvm KiQbGKRb
Kb, kZRb ejjI Zv viv cfvweZ neb bv|
ck : BQ wQjv gwWKj co mwi mevq wbqvwRZ nIqvi| wK
0.5 b^ii Rb e_ nqwQ| Avevi i Kivi wmv wbqwQ Ges mB
jB covkvbv i KiwQ| Avwg fwZ cixvq c_g nZ PvB| 25
eQi ci wbRK wbDivmvqwUic `LZ PvB| Avwg wK mwVK
wmv wbqwQ? gbQwe c~iYi h Avkv KiwQ, Zv wK Avgvi c me?
Di : AekB me| Avmj cw_exZ gvbyl hv ciQ Ges gvbyl hv
cvie Zv Kvbv wKQyB Kiv Ame bq| Avi Ggb Zv bq h, Avcbvi
AvM Avi KD gwWKj fwZ nq wb, Avcwb c_gevi neb| LuvR
wbb, `Leb cwiwPZ AbKB wZxqevi fwZ nZ ciQ| AZGe
wmvi evcvi wbRi fZi Kvbv wav _vKv DwPZ bv| Avwg wK
cviev? wmvUv wK wVK njv?GB wav ev mskq gbQwei c_ evav
mw Ki `q|
AZGe memgq wmv beb kZfvM AvZwekvmi mv_| wav,
msKvP ev wekvm Kvbv NvUwZ ivLeb bv| cwikg Kvbv wU
ivLeb bv| wbRi Ici `p wekvm ivLeb, Kvbv cwZKjZvB hb G
wekvmK UjvZ bv cvi| Bbkvj-vn, Avcwb AekB mdj neb|
ck : GmGmwm Ges GBPGmwm cixvq Avgvi iRv fvjv, wK
fvjv RvqMvq fwZ nZ cvwi wb| dj mevB Avgvi e_Zv wbq K_v
ej| w`b w`b Avwg GZ cfvweZ nq hvwQ| GLb `wfwUv Kgb
nIqv DwPZ?
Di : Avcwb Lvivc KiQb Zvi gvb GB bq h, Avcwb Avi KLbv
ce 2 \ mvdj

115

fvjv KiZ cvieb bv| AvRK hviv mdj, Zv`i Rxeb wK e_Zv
Avm wb? wevbx Ugvm GwWmbK zj Zvi wkKiv g~L ej WvKZb
cov cviZb bv ej| AvBbvBbi wKQy gb _vKZv bv| dj zj
fwZ nZ nZ Zvi eqm bq eQi nq wMqwQjv| dvW gUimi AvM
nbwi dvW Zvi `y-`yUv Mvwoi eemvq e_ nb|
KwDUvi wbq bvovPvov Kij Avcwb wbqB GBPwc ev wnDjUcvKvW bvgwUi mv_ cwiwPZ| cw_exi AbZg enr GB UKbvjwR
KvvwbwUi cwZvZv wej wnDjU Ges WwfW cvKvW Zv`i RxweKv
i KiwQjb jUzm cvZv Zvjv Ges IRb Kgvbvi gwkbi `yUv
AvBwWqv wbq| wK Zv-I e_|
mvgvb ivRMvii Rb Gwbgkbi RbK Iqv wWRwbK w`bi
ci w`b NyiZ nqQ GKRb AwfbZv ev Leii KvMRi AvwU Ges
Aekl GKRb WvBfvi nIqvi Avkvq| nq wb KvbvUvB| gyLi Ici
mv`K ej w`qQb GiKg evR AvBwWqv wbq AvwUi PvKwi
wZwb cveb bv|
Avmj GiKg e D`vniY `qv hvq| KvRB mvgwqK e_Zv
KLbvB mvdji c_ Aivq bq| j hw` AwePj _vKb Zv j
Avcwb cuQebB| GUvB nIqv DwPZ mwVK `wfw|
ck : Avwg XvKv wekwe`vjq GgweG covi ^c `LwQ| wK Gi Rb
Avgvi cwikgi mv_ mv_ AbK gavex nIqvI cqvRb| wK Avgvi
gav gag gvbi| Zvnj Abvb cwZfvevb cwZhvMxi mv_ Avwg
Kxfve ci DVev?
Di : Avmj Avgiv gb Kwi, gav _vKj mvdj GgwbZB cvIqv
hvq| wK eve mZ njv, ZzLvo gavex njI Aaemvq Qvov
mdjZv jvf me bq| KxiKg?
AvaywbK wPwKrmvwevbi RbK gbxlx Beb wmbv| wPwKrmvwevb
_K i Ki RvwZwevb imvqb MwYZ f~Mvj `kb gbvwevb
hywwevb mvwnZ Ges Bmjvwg kvmn vb-wevbi cvq me kvLvqB
wZwb Zvi Ae`vb iLQb| AmvaviY gav Ges iYkwi Rb gv
14 eQi eqmB wkL djb Zvi wkK`i mewKQy|
116

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Gici i Kib evBii `ywbqvq hv AvQ Zv Rvbvi Pv| wK

wbR co evSv GZ mnR njv bv| GwiUji gUvwdwR eySZ
wMq cojb Mfxi mgmvq! GKevi `yBevi Ki 40 evi co Svov
gyL nq Mj| wK eySZ cvijb bv GKeY|
hLbB KwVb wKQy eySZ cviZb bv, Beb wmbvi Afvm wQjv
gmwR` Pj hvIqv| ARy Ki bvgvR Mfxi cv_bvq Wye hZb|
gvbyli KjvY h vb wZwb Avq KiZ PvQb Zv evSvi mvg_
hvZ cig cfy ZvK `b mRb| DVZb ZLbB hLb gb nZvcfy
Zvi cv_bv bQb| Geviv ewZg njv bv|
Gi ga nVvr GKw`b evRvi wMq LyuR cjb gUvwdwRi Ici
vbi AviK w`Kcvj Avj dvivexi evLvm^wjZ GKLvbv eB| wZb
w`invg w`q m eBwU wKb QyUZ QyUZ Beb wmbv Pj GmwQjb
gmwR` Avj-vni KvQ Kwiqv Rvbvbvi Dk|
AZGe HiKg 40 evi covi Aaemvq hw` bv _vK Zv gav
Kvbv KvR Avme bv| KviY ejv nq LiMvki Pq KQc fvjv|
LiMvk GKjvd QyU wMq GZ cvijI GKUvbv nuU axiMwZi
KQcB memgq Me cuQ hvq AvM| Avcwb nqZv fveZ cvib,
Avgvi ebUv Zv AZ fvjv bv| `wiZ eywS| gb _vK Aviv Kg|
AgyK ZzLvo gavex`i gZv wK Avwg cviev? AvcwbB cvieb|
mvaviY gavi ejB Avcbvi c fvjv Kivi mvebv ewk| Avcwb
KQci gZv jM _vKZ cvieb, cwikg I Aaemvqi ga w`q
avivevwnK KvRi gvag jvf Kieb mvdj|
ck : fvjv KjR fwZ nZ cvwi wb ej AbK AbK K_v ej|
GB KjR GUv bB, mUv bBGiKg AbK wKQy| Avwg Zv`i K_vq
Kvb w`Z PvB bv| wK gvMZ bZ bZ AvgviI gb nQ GLvb
_K fvjv iRv Kiv me bv| iRx, hv`i Gme myhvM-myweav
bB, Zv`i c wK eo wKQy Kiv me?
Di : Rxeb c_g nIqvi c_ h wRwbmjv mePq ewk evavi mw
Ki mjv wbRiB AMZ evav| A_vr cvwicvwkKZvq Avgvi
cwZwqv| Kvbv wekl KjR ev wekl RvqMvq myhvM bv cvIqv
ce 2 \ mvdj

117

mvdji c_ Kvbv mgmvB bv| Avwg hw` fvjv iRv KiZ PvB,
hKvbv RvqMv _K Avwg Zv KiZ cvwi|
GLb Avgiv `wL cwZ eQi GmGmwm, GBPGmwm-Z Ggb AbK
zji QvQvxiv G-c-vm cvQ hv`i bvg KD Gi AvM kvb wb Ges
Ggb AbK `wi` hv`i covkvbvi Zgb Kvbv myhvM wQjv bv, Zviv
G-c-vm cvQ| Kb? KviY mvdj Avmj wbfi Ki wbRi Ici| GUv
wVK h, fvjv zji myhvM-myweav ewk _vK| mdj nIqvi myhvMUv
ewk _vK| wK GKRb gvbyl hKvbv RvqMv _K mdj nZ cvi|
hKvbv RvqMv _K mdj nIqvi h kw, GB kwUvB nQ
GKRb gvbyli Avmj kwAvwg AbyKj cwiek hv Kiev, cwZKj
cwiekI Avwg Zv-B Kiev| cwZKj cwiek Avgvi nqZv cwikg
GKUz ewk ne, K GKUz ewk ne wK dj Zv-B ne, hv Avgvi Kiv
DwPZ| KvRB djvdjUv wK zj KjR wekwe`vjqi Ici wbfi
Ki bv| djvdj wbfi Ki h mveR Avwg hvwQ mB mveR
fvjv Kivi Ici| Kx mveR Avcwb coQb Zv bq, iZc~Y nQ
Kx iRv Avcwb KiQb|

Avjm I `xNm~wZv KvUvZ

ck : QywU cj GZ Ajm nq hvB h, Gici covq gbvhvM emvZ
Lye K nq| G _K gywi Dcvq Kx?
Di : Avmj KvRwcq RvwZivB hyM hyM cw_exK bZZ w`qQ,
cwZwZ nqQ| Rvcvbi K_vB aib| AvR _K 40 eQi AvM
Rvcvbi A_bxwZ GZ mg nq Mj, miKvi eva nq mvvwnK QywU
GKw`bi e`j `yw`b Kijv| KviY Qq w`b KvR Kij h wecyj
cwigvY Drcv`b nZv Zv wew Kiv mgmv nq hvwQjv| ZLb Rvcvwb
kwgKiv wgwQj KijvBwZnvm c_gevii gZv GK Awfbe `vwe
Rvwbq| Avi Zv njvevowZ QywUi w`bwUZ Zviv Kx Kie Zv hb
Zv`i ej `qv nq! A_vr KvRUvB wQjv Zv`i avb vb webv`b
mewKQy| Avi GRbB Zviv nZ ciQ A_bwZK civkw|
118

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Avmj Avgv`i gwi aibB Ggb h, GK hZ KvR `qv nq

ZZ Zv kvwYZ nZ _vK| Avi KvR bv w`jB eis ZvZ giP ai hvq
Ges cybivq Kgg nZ AbK mgq jvM| ZvB hviv eywgvb Zviv
KLbv QywU bq bv| GKUv KvR kl nZ bv nZB Zviv i Ki bZzb
KvRi cwiKbv| AZGe, QywU bqvi `iKviUv Kx! zj-KjR QywU
nZ cvi wK Avgvi cov _K Zv Avgvi QywU bB| ZvB QywU cjI
m mgqi Rb GKUv cwiKbv Ki beb h, G mgq Avwg GB
KvRjv Kiev| Avi mfveB KvR KiZ _vKzb| `Leb Kvbv
Avjm ev RoZv AvmQ bv|
ck : Avwg Avgvi RxebK cwZwZ KiZ PvB| wekl Ki dvKvm
AekB cZ PvB| wK covkvbv GK`g nQ bv, ay Nywi Avi mgq
b Kwi| GRb Avgvi KiYxq Kx?
Di : hw` Nywi Avi mgq b KwiZvnj Kx ne? kl ch Aev
neNywi Avi M Kwi/ jvd w`q mgy` cwo! Avmj AwaKvsk gvbyli
KvQ mdj nZ PvIqvUv ay PvIqvZB mxgve| Zviv Pvb gvS gvS
covjLv Kiev, wUwf-wmbgv `Lev, Avv `ev, Mvb bev, Mi
eB coev| Zvici hw` G-c-vm bv cvB Zvnj Kx Avi Kiv! RxebUvK
Zv DcfvM KiZ ne! wK GKRb dveq wK Gfve fve? fve
bv| Zvi KvQ dv nIqvUvB iZc~Y| Gi Rb hv Kiv `iKvi,
hfve Kiv `iKvi Ges hv eRb Kiv `iKvi m Zv-B Ki|
wbRK wRm Kib, h mvdji gbQwe Avwg `LwQ m
mvdjK eiYi cwZ wK Avwg wbwQ?
Avmj Avgv`i mgmv njvAvgiv Rvwb, wK gvwb bv| RvbvK
hw` wbRi KjvY, Abi KjvY eenvi KiZ bv cvwi Ze m Rvbv
wbRi RbB wZKi nZ cvi| G wbq gmbexi GKwU M AvQ|
MwU GiKgGKw`b GK hyeK nhiZ gymv (Av)-i KvQ Gm
ejjv, n gymv, Zzwg Zv Avj-vni cwZwbwa| Zzwg mg vb Rvbv,
evSv| Avgvi ccvwLi fvlv evSvi Lye kL| Zzwg AvgvK GB fvlv
evSvi gZv `vI|
gymv (Av) ZvK wbirmvwnZ Kivi Pv Kijb| KviY wZwb eySZ
ce 2 \ mvdj

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cviwQjb, G we`v Rvbvi ci hyeKwU wbRi DcKvii Pq wZB

Kie ewk| wK gymv hZ wbirmvwnZ KiQb ZZ hyeKi AvMn eo
hvQ| kl ch m ejjv, Avi wKQy bv nvK, Avwg AZ Avgvi
MncvwjZ ccvwL`i fvlv eySZ PvB|
AMZv gymv (Av) Avj-vnK ejjb| Avj-vn cv_bv gyi Kijb|
hyeK gnvLywk| m evwoZ Pj Mj| c_g w`bB fvejv, h vb
cqwQ GUvK cixv KiZ ne| fviejv m DVjv| ZLb evwoi
MnKgx DVvb `iLvb cwivi KiwQjv| `iLvb _K AvMi w`bi
LvIqv iwUi Aewk GK UzKiv co Mj| `LB Nii KzKzi-gviM
`o Gjv| wK KzKzi aivi AvMB gviM VvKi w`q iwUi UzKivUv
wbq MvQi Wvj DV Mj| KzKzi gviMK evSvbvi Pv Kijv,
`L, Zzwg Zv KZ wKQyB LZ cviv| km`vbv LZ cviv, avb LZ
cviv, Pvj LZ cviv| Avwg Zv avb, Pvj LZ cvwi bv| GB iwUi
Ici Avgvi AwaKvi ewk| Zzwg AvgvK GUv w`q `vI| gviM ejjv,
Zvgvi wPvi Kvbv KviY bB| Kvj Avgv`i gvwjKi QvMjUv gviv
hve| Zzwg gZ QvMji nvo LZ cvie|
hyeKwU hnZz GLb ccvwLi fvlv eySZ cvi, KzKzi Ges gviMi
GB K_vcK_b b m fvejv, Avi, ZvB bvwK? Zvnj Zv AvRB
QvMjUvK evRvi wbq wew Ki AvmZ nq| gviv Mj Abi
evwoZ wMq gviv hvK, Avwg Kb jvKmvb bev?
hB fvev mB KvR| m QvMj wew Ki bM` UvKv wbq evwo wdi
Gjv| ciw`b mKvjejv Aveviv `iLvb _K iwUi UzKiv coQ|
AvRKI gviM mUv VvKi w`q wbq Mj| KzKzi evSvjv, Zzwg Zv
KvRUv fvjv Kij bv| Kvj AvgvK QvMji jvf `wLq iwUUv Lj
Avevi AvRKi iwUUvI wbq Mj! ejwQj AvR QvMjUv gviv hve,
Avwg Zv QvMjB `LwQ bv|
gviM ejjv, Zzwg gb Lvivc Kiv bv| AvMvgxKvj gvwjKi MvavUv
gviv hve| Mvav gviv Mj Zzwg KqKw`b Gi gvsm LZ cvie|
h_vixwZ AvRI Zv`i K_v hyeKi Kvb Mj| b Zv m nv nv Ki
DVjv| mw`bB m evRvi wMq MvavUvK wew Ki Gjv|
ZZxqw`b mKvj ejvI hLb KzKzi bv cjv Mvavi gvsm, bv cjv
iwUi UzKiv, m Lye c Mj| cvij gviMi Ici ZLbB Suvwcq
120

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

co| gviM ZLb KvbvgZ ejjv, `L ey, AvgvK gi Zv

Zvgvi jvf bB| Zvi Pq Avgvi K_v kvbv| AvMvgxKvj Avgv`i
gvwjKi NvovUv gviv hve| `qv Ki Avi GKUv w`b ah ai|
KvjKB Zzwg Avivg Ki Nvovi gvsm LZ cvie|
h_vixwZ ciw`b NvovI bB| gvwjK b wew Ki djjv|
mw`bI hLb iwUi UzKivUv gviM wbq Mj, KzKzi ZLb gviMK
ejjv, Zvgvi gZv wg_vev`x Avi nq bv| Zzwg fwelr ejZ cviv
fe Avwg cwZw`bB Zvgvi K_vq wekvm KiwQ| Avi Zzwg AvgvK
auvKv w`qB hvQv|
gviM ejjv, `L Avgvi Kx `vl! Avwg Zv wVK K_vB ejwQ|
GLb gvwjK hw` Ijv wew Ki dj Zv Avwg Kx KiZ cvwi?
hv-B nvK Avi Zvgvi wPv bB| Gevi Avgv`i gvwjK wbRB gviv
hve| Zvi klKZ Dcj h fvR ne, Zvi DwQ Lvevi Zzwg
GKgvm LqI kl KiZ cvie bv|
Gevi Zv hyeKi w`knviv Aev| GLb m Kx Kie? AbjvK
wew Ki hfve wZ cywlq wbqQ GLb Zv Avi Zv KiZ cvie
bv| `o Mj m gymvi KvQ| NUbv Lyj ejjv| gymvK ejjv,
AvgvK euvPvI|
gymv ejjb, `L, Avgvi GLb wKQy Kivi bB| Zvgvi wbRi wZ
Zzwg wbRB KiQv| Zzwg z` jvfi Rb eni jvfK Rjvwj
w`qQv| KviY QvMjUv wQjv Zvgvi Mvavi m`Kv, MvavUv Nvovi m`Kv
Avi NvovUv wQjv Zvgvi m`Kv| hw` QvMjK gZzi nvZ Qo w`Z
Ze Mvav, Nvov Ges Zzwg euvPZ| QvUwUK hnZz QvoZ cviv wb,
GLb Zvgvi Avi Kvbv Dcvq bB| GK_v b m gZz hYvq
mLvbB KvZivZ jvMjv| ZvK AvZxq^Rbiv LvwUqvq Ki wbq
Gjv| ciw`b mKvj m gviv Mj|
A_vr Avgv`i mgmv nQ, Avgiv PvB wK m PvIqvi Rb
wbRK cZ Kwi bv| QvU QvU wRwbmjvK QvoZ cvwi bv| A_P
G hvMZv mw KivUvB nQ hKvbv cvIqvi mePq iZc~Y
welq| A_vr AvgvK eyK nvZ w`q ejZ cviZ neAvwg GUv PvB,
Ges Avwg Gi Dchy| Zvnj cKwZi wbqgB Avcwb Rxeb cwZwZ
nZ cvieb|
ce 2 \ mvdj

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ck : Avwg Kbvwejvmx| cvq mvivw`bB Kbv Kwi, coZ emjI gb

Abw`K Pj hvq, Ab wKQy Kbv Ki| wK Avwg memgq fvjvfvjv wRwbm-B Kbv Kwi| GUv wK Avgvi gbQwe?
Di : Ajm Kbv, w`ev^c Avi gbQweZ cv_K AvQ| GB cv_KUv
h eySZ cvi m-B Avmj eo nq| hviv G cv_KUv eySZ ciQb
Zv`i ga GKRb nQb Avgv`i Lye cwiwPZ bvgfviZi mveK
ivcwZ G wc R Avyj Kvjvg| Zvi GKUv weLvZ eB njv 'Wings
of Fire'| G eBq wZwb ^ci my`i evLv w`q ejQb, gvbyl Nywgq
Nywgq hv `L mUv Avmj ^c bq, Avmj ^c nQ hv gvbylK NygvZ
`q bv| A_vr ^c AvcbvK memgq KvRi ga Wyweq `e, KvR
Qvov Avcwb wKQy eySeb bv| NygUv ZLb KvRiB GKUv Ask nq hvq|
hgb, h Qj ev gq G-c-vm cvIqvi ^c `L, m wK Nywgq
Nywgq G-c-vm cvIqvi wPv Ki, bv AbeiZ Pv Ki? Nywgq Nywgq
^c `Lj m G-c-vm cve KLbv? KLbv bv| KviY G-c-vm-Gi ^c
hw` gv_vq XyK hvq, ZLb `Leb, covi mgq Avi NygB AvmQ bv|
KvRB Avcwb hZ fvjv KbvB Kib bv Kb, GUv md mgq b
nehZY bv Avcwb ^c evevqb wbijm KvR KiQb|
Avcwb nqZv Rvbb, MvavK w`q KvR Kivbvi mePq fvjv
Dcvq nQ Zvi mvgb GKUv gyjv Szwjq `qv| gyjv hw`K hZ
_vKe MvavI mw`K hZ _vKe| GKBfve, gbK Rvi Kiv hve
bv, ZvK evSvZ ne| Avi mvgb GKUv j wi KiZ ne| gbi
mvgb GKUv gyjv Szwjq w`Z ne| ejZ ne, GB gyjvUv nQ
Zvgvi j, ZvgvK cZ ne| cw_exZ AvR ch hZ gvbyl mdj
nqQb, mevi mvgbB GKUv ^c wQjv| GKUv gbQwe wQjv|
ck : Avgvi GKwU cavb mgmv njv AwZwi AvZwekvm| Gi KviY
Avwg `xNm~wZvq Rwoq cowQ| wekl Ki covkvbvi | GB
AwZwi AvZwekvmi `yP _K Avwg Kxfve iv cvev?
Di : Avmj GUv KLb nq? hLb Avwg gb Kwi h, Avwg me cvwi,
Avgvi Avi kLvi Kx `iKvi!
122

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

GB AwZwi AvZwekvm wbqI M AvQ|

GKi ci GK cwZhvwMZvq wRZ, LvwZ cyivi Avi f
Abyyii wfo hyeK Zxi`vR GZ ewk AnsKvix nq DVjv h,
iKI Pvj Ki emjv| e`~i _K wbkvbvi wVK gvSLvb Zxi
Quvovi ci wZxq Zxi Qzuo mUvKI `yfvM Ki djZ cvi m|
`fwZ ii w`K ZvwKq wRm Kijv, Avcwb wK GgbwU
cvieb? i wKQzB ejjb bv| GKw`b wklK wbq wZwb Pjjb
cvnvoi w`K|
AbKUv c_ hvIqvi ci Gm _vgjb cvnvoi Icii GKevi
kl gv_vq| GZ nj GLb hZ ne H `~ii cvnvo| wK
gvSLvb GK LimvZv b`x, fqsKi MRb eq PjQ ARvbvi
Dk| GKUvB Dcvq`yB cvnvoi ga mshvM vcb KiQ h
MvQi KvwU Zvi Ici w`q nuU hvIqv| AgmY Ges MvjvKvi
boeo H MvQi Ici w`q nuU hZI hKvbv exicyili AvZv
LuvPvQvov nq hve| mLvb wklK wewZ Ki w`q i MvQi
gvSLvb Pj Mjb Ges wi `uvwoq wbkvbv Kijb e`~ii GK
MvQi AvMvi GK QvU WvjK| gyn~ZB wMq weuajv wbkvbvq| i
Gevi AvgY Rvbvjb wklK|
wK Gfve wbkvbv Kiv `~i _vK MvQi Ici wMq cuQe Kxfve
Zv feB m KuvcZ jvMjv fq| i ZLb ejjb, nvZi Ici
Zvgvi `Lj GmQ wVKB, wK gbi Ici bq| ` Zxi`vR nZ
nj ZvgvK Aviv mvabv KiZ ne| gbi Ici `Lj AvbZ ne|
AZGe, GB `yP _K eivZ nj AvM wbRi gbK wi
KiZ ne| Avcwb wbqwgZ gwWUkb Kib, Rxebi j wi Kib,
AvZRvMiYi AUvmvRkb byb| `Leb Avi `xNm~wZvq fyMQb
bv| KviY Avcbvi kLvi GLbv AbK evwK|
ck : Avwg Kvbv KvRB avivevwnKfve KiZ cvwi bv| Lye Drmvn
wbq i Kwi, wK GB D`gUv ai ivLZ cvwi bv| Avgvi Kx KiYxq?
Di : Avmj avivevwnKZvUv nQ Lye iZc~Y| KviY, avivevwnKfve
bv nj mvdjI ^xKwZ cvq bv| hiKg, `Leb GKRbB wK Nyi
ce 2 \ mvdj

123

wdi Kvm dv nQ| Avi KD hw` U Ki dv nq hvq, ZLb?

hgb, GKRb Kvm-Uz Z dv njv, wK w_ Z wMq KvbviKg cvk
Kijv ev Zvi ivj b^i nq Mj 13 ev 30; GB dv nIqvUv wK
KD gb ivL? bv, eis ej h, So eK giQKvbviKg dv
nq MQ, Avmj QvUv evR! evanq Kvbv jvBb-UvBb wQjv, ZvB
Kgb co MQ! A_vr Avcwb ZLbB mvb cveb, hLb gvbyl `Le
h, Avcwb gvMZ mdj nQb, Avcbvi ga avivevwnKZv AvQ|
GRb KvR KLbv Q` `eb bv, Q`i KLbv cZb NUZ
`eb bv| GKevi Q`cZb NUj m Q`Uv ZzjZ AbK mgq jvM|
Avgiv avivevwnKZv ivLZ cvwi bv Kb? AvQv, Kiev b, GKUz ci
Kiev| GLb GKUz M Kwi, GLb GKUz KvUzb `wL| HUv `Lvi ci
AveviAvQv, GUv Zv `Ljvg, Gi ciiUvZ Kx Ki `wLGme
Lqvwjcbvi KviYB wK KvR avivevwnKZvi Afve NU, DrmvnD`gUv Avgiv Avi ai ivLZ cvwi bv| GRb memgq iwUb Abymvi
KvR KiZ ne Ges nZ ne KQci gZv| PU Ki gb nZ cvi
LiMvk fvjv| wK GKUz wPv KijB eySeb Avmj KQcB fvjv|
KviY GKjvd QyU wMq LiMvk GZ cvijI, Me AvM cuQ
wK KQcB| axiMwZi njI avivevwnKZvi KviY KQcB memgq
GwMq _vK| AZGe jUvK memgq mvgb ivLZ ne| cZKw`b
gwWUkb Zv `LebB, Avqbvq hLb Pzj AuvPovZ `uvoveb ZLbv
hb H QweUvKB AvqbvZ `LZ cvb| Zvnj KLbv avivevwnKZvi
Afve NUe bv, KvR KLbv Q`cZb NUe bv|
ck : Avwg me KvRB `xNm~x| mePq eo mgmv Avwg coZ emZ
cvwi bv, emev emev KiI emv nq bv| GiKg KiZ KiZ cixv
Pj Avm| Kx Kiev?
Di : GUvK ejv nqkl gyn~Z Zvovov Ki KvR Kivi Afvm|
GRb Kx Kieb? emev emev bv Ki GLbB em cob, coZ i
Ki w`b| GB i KivUv memgqB GKUv Pvji evcvi| KviY i
gvbB GZw`bi cwiwPZ Avivgejq fO AwbqZvi c_ hvv| i
gvbB AvcvZ Avb`, Ajm webv`bi AfvmK wemRb w`q Ki
124

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

c_ Suvwcq cov| AwaKvsk gvbyl ZvB i Kivi cixvZB cvk

KiZ cvi bv| Zviv fveAviKUz Acv Kwi, BQUv Aviv Pvv
nvK, Zvici Kiev| Avmj AvM KvR i Ki w`Z nq, BQ Pvv
nq Zvici| Avi i Kivi Rb G gyn~ZUvB nQ mevg|
ZvB GLbB i Kib| eB wbq em hvb; cwZv Kib, hZ
AwiB jvK, AZ 15 wgwbU ai Avcwb eBwU wbq em _vKeb|
Kvbv ARynvZKB cvv `eb bv| gb ivLeb, hZ `wi Kieb,
i KiZ `wi ne ZZUvB| wbRi KvQ cwZv Kib h, hLb
Kvbv KvR i Kieb Avcwb Zv kl KiebB|
eo KvRK fO QvU QvU KvR fvM Ki djyb| mgqK GB
QvU QvU KvRi ga eb Ki w`b| cZKwU cvivi Rb wbRK
cyiZ Kib Ges LyeB iZc~Y h, KvRwU mi DV hvevi AvM
cii KvRwU LvwbKUv i Ki w`q hvb| Zvnj Gm Avcwb wbRK
wKQyUv Gbv `LZ cveb Ges i Kivi RoZvq fyMeb bv|
GKmgq `Leb Avi `xNm~wZvq coeb bv|
ck : Avwg Kvbv KvR avivevwnKfve KiZ cvwi bv| Kvbv w`b
mKvj gwWUkb Kij ivZ KiZ BQv Ki bv ev KLbv nq Zvi
Dv| Avgvi mePq eo mgmv coZ emZ cvwi bv| emev emev
KiI emv nq bv| Kx Kiev?
Di : Avmj GB h `xNm~wZvGi wKQy KviY AvQ| BDwbfvwmwU Ad
KvjMvwii AavcK wcqvm wj Zvi 10 eQii MelYvi dj cKvk
Kib| hvZ `Lv hvq, `xNm~wZvi GKwU cavb KviY njv, KvRwU
Avwg cviev G wekvm KiZ bv cviv| hLb GKRb wkv_x Kvbv
wekl welq wbRK `yej gb Ki, mwU i Kiv nq Zvi Rb
Pvjws| hgb jLvjwLi evcvi nqZv Avcbvi ga RoZv AvQ|
GLb hw` Ggb Kvbv GmvBbgU _vK hvZ wbRi AvBwWqvjvK
wjL cKvk KiZ ne, Zvnj Avcbvi ga Mwogwm `Lv hve|
G gwWUkbi gvag Avcbvi AePZb gbi fq ev
AwbqZvK ei Ki Avbvi Pv Kib| mgmvjvK kbv Kib|
AUvmvRkb Ges gbQwei gvag Avcbvi BwZevPK AevK
ce 2 \ mvdj

125

AejvKb Kib Ges eve Avcbvi c hv hv Kiv me Zv-B Kib|

cqvRb bZzb hvMZv, `Zv ARbi Pv Kib| G evcvi hviv
mvnvh KiZ cvie Zv`i mv_ hvMvhvM Kib| Avcbvi Pq Kg
gavi AbK gvbyl hw` GUv ci _vK Avcwb Kb cvieb bv?
Avevi Abi Pvwcq `qv ji Avgiv `xNm~wZvq fywM|
A_vr h KvRi Rb Avgiv wbRiv Dy nZ cvwi bv ev hUv Ki
Avgvi Kx jvf Zv eySZ cvwi bv mUv Kivi cwZ Avgv`i AvMnI
mfve nq bv| evcviUv AbK mgq AePZbfveI nq| hgb,
Avcbvi gv Pvb Avcwb Wvvi nvb| wK Avcbvi Wvvwi cQ` bq|
Avcwb nqZv Ggb welqjv BQ KiB Lvivc Kib hjvZ fvjv
Kij Avcwb WvvwiZ myhvM cq hveb| mjvZ Avcwb nqZv
Lvivc Kivi Rb AePZbfveB `xNm~wZvq fvMb|
Zvici wPv KibKb Avcwb G KvRUv KiZ Pvb| GUv Kij Kx
Kx jvf ne Avcbvi? cov hw` nq, Zvnj fveyb GB cov _K Kx Kx
fve Avcwb jvfevb neb|
AbK mgq e_Zv ev mvdji fq _KI nq `xNm~wZv| hgb,
KD nqZv gb Kijv, GZ Pvi ciI hw` KvRwUZ dj Kwi! Zvi
Pq Pv bv KivB fvjv| Zvnj Zv AZ GUv ejZ cviev h,
Zgb Pv Kwi wb|
Avevi GUvI nZ cvi h, mvdji fq| A_vr GKevi mdj nj
cii evi Avcbvi evcvi cZvkv Aviv eo hve ev AvcbvK jvBgjvBU Pj AvmZ ne hv Avcwb Pvb bv| GwU Avcbvi `xNm~wZvi
KviY nj eySZ ne Avcwb Avmj Avcbvi Rxebi evcvi wmwiqvm
bb| Avi wKQy Kivi bB ZvB cowQGiKg GKwU evcvi|
gwWUkbi gvag `wfw e`ji Pv Kib|
`xNm~wZvi AviKUv KviY nZ cviwbLuyZfve KiZ ne, miv
nZ neGB gvbwmKZv| GLvbB wbLuyZ KiZ PvIqv`i `xNm~wZv|
Zviv cwZwU KvRB wbLuyZfve KiZ Pvq Ges Gi mv_ Rwoq dj
AvZghv`vK| Giv cwZwU wRwbmKB nq GKevi wbLuyZ A_ev wKQyB
bvGB `wKvY _K `L| Kvbv KvR e_ nj Giv wbR`iKB
e_ ej fve| gb Ki cyivcywi bv cvijB kl nq Mjvg|
G `wfw e`jvZ ne| Avcbvi Kx Kiv DwPZ Zv bv fe
126

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

KZUzKz KiZ cvib, Zv wbq fveyb| 100 Z 90 cjI G-c-vm Zv

Avcwb cvQbB| Zvnj 100 bv cvevi `ytLK eo Ki Kb Akvw
WK Avbeb? Avi Kvbv gvbylB wbLuyZ bq| ZvB Kvbv KvRB wbLuyZ
nZ cvi bv| Uweji Ici Avavejv me Gjvgjv Ki ivLyb|
cvkvK GKUz LuyZ _vKzK bv GKejv| hLb `Leb Gi dj cw_ex
asm nq hvQ bv ZLbB Avcwb wkLebwbLuyZ bq, my`ifve
mgqgZv KvR KivUvB iZc~Y|
ck : GKRb fvjv Qvi `wbK iwUb KxiKg nIqv DwPZ Ges
mLvb webv`bi Rb KZUzKz mgq ivLv DwPZ?
Di : GKRb fvjv Qvi iwUb Kx iKg nIqv DwPZ GUv wbq
Avgv`i wkv_x Kvhgi hviv gWviUi AvQb, KvDwji AvQb
Zv`i mv_ K_v ejZ cvib|
Avi webv`bi GB aviYvwU Avmj cyuwRev`x kvlYi aviYv| Avgiv
webv`b ejZ eywS wUwf `Lv, wmbgv `Lv, b`b cvK hvIqv| Avevi
B`vbxsKvi webv`b nQ evPv-KvPv wbq dv dzW LZ hvIqv, wKsev
cqmv ewk _vKj cuvPZviv nvUj LZ hvIqv| A_vr cqmv LiP
Kiv, mgq b Kiv, Kv nIqv Avi Zvici KvR weiw Avi AbvMn|
A_P webv`b Zv nIqv DwPZ wQjv ckvwi Rb, Avb`i Rb|
wK Z_vKw_Z G webv`b w`q wK ckvw nq, Avb` nq?
cvvZ mgvR DBKG njv kwb-iwe| mvgevi Zv`i mvni
i| dvwii Drcv`b cwimsLvb `Lv MQ, mvni mePq Kg
cWvwwfwU _vK mvgevi Ges mw`b cYi Drcv`b gvbI _vK
mePq Lvivc| GUv GZB evcK GKUv ceYZv h, GUvK Zviv ej
gvbW nvs AvDU| A_vr kwb-iweevi QywU KvwUq mvgevi m
GZUvB Aemb _vK h, Zvi Avi KvR Kvbv gb _vK bv|
hgb, yj hZ mePq ewk Avjm jvM KLb? mvvwnK ev
gvwmK ei ci hw`b zj hZ nq| Kb? KviY QywU KvUvZ
KvUvZ GZUvB Avjm Rwoq hvq h, KvR Kivi cwZ Zvi Avi AvMn
_vK bv| h webv`b, h KvR gvbylK Kv Ki dj, KgwegyL Ki
`q Avgiv m webv`bi c bB| Avgiv ewj, KvRUvB nQ GKRb
ce 2 \ mvdj

127

gvbyli k webv`b hw` mB KvR Avcwb Avb` LyuR cvb| AZGe

Ggb KvR LuyR ei Kib hUvZ Avcwb Avb` cvb| mUvB ne
Avcbvi Rb mePq eo webv`b|
ck : Aemi mgq wUwf `Lv ev webv`bg~jK KvRI wK Avjmi
ga co?
Di : Avmj webv`b Kvi `iKvi?hvi Rxeb Kvbv j bB|
KviY mvgb hLb j _vKe ZLb Z_vKw_Z webv`bi mgqB cvIqv
hve bv| GKwUi ci GKwUGKwU KvR _K AviKwU KvR; KvRB
ne ZLb mwZKvii webv`b| wbRi cov kl Ki AviKRbK
covwQGUvB Zv webv`b| hZ cwikg Kieb ZZ Avcwb ji
w`K AMmi neb, gw LyPiv kqZvb XvKvi c_ e ne| Ajm
_vKjB kqZvb Avgv`i ewk cq em| GRb hLbB cixv kl
nq hvq ZLb Kx KiwQ? nq Avv w`wQ, bv nq AvnvKi
evwUwfi mvgb em AvwQ| wnw` wmwiqvj `LwQ!
gw Ges mgqiGi Pq eo AcPq Avi Kvbv wKQy w`q nq
bv| KviY ILvb wkYxq wKQy bB| MxeZ-Clv-Pv-loh `L Kx
kLvi AvQ? kvwo eDqi wei loh KiQ, e kvwoi wei,
`ei bb`i weibb` `eii wei loh KiQ| Avevi
ciKxqv Kivi Rb GKRb AviKRbi xK gi djQGUv `L
Kx kLvi AvQ? GUv _K Kej gbi AkvwB evoe| Avi GUv h
Avgiv eywS bv, Zv-I bv| wK eySI Gi _K ewiq AvmZ cvwi bv|
hgb GKRb WvM-GwW wK Rvb h, G WvMUv Zvi Rb Lvivc|
Zgb wnw` wmwiqvj ev wUwfi evcviUvI nQ GK aibi GwWKkb|
WvM ev wmMviUi GwWKkb hiKg Lvivc, wUwfi GwWKkbI GKB
iKg Lvivc| G eK fvOZ ne|
Avmj ZiY`i KvQ _K hLb GiKg ck cvB, Avgvi gb co
hvq e eQi AvM mvBKvjwR UzW cwKvq `Lv GKUv Qwei K_v| GK
ZiY Ges GK e ciii w`K ZvwKq AvQ| ZiYwUi wcV evM|
evSv hvQ m `xN gYi Rb eivQ| Avi ei nvZ jvwV| Ni
_K DVvb ch eivbvB Zvi Rb AbK| ZiY ei w`K
128

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

ZvwKq fveQ, Ke GB ei gZv ne| eqm, AwfZv, vb

mewKQyZ mg ne| Avi e ZiYi w`K ZvwKq fveQ, m hw`
Avevi GB ZiYi gZv Kgvxcbvgq nZ cviZv, Zvnj Zvi me
Ac~Y ^cjvi evevqb m KiZ cviZv| ZiYi ^c evevwqZ
njI ei ^c KLbv evevwqZ nIqvi bq| KviY h mgq Pj MQ
Zv Avi KLbv wdi Avme bv| KvRB Ag~j G mgqi h_vh_ eenvi
KiZ ne|
ck : covi Pvc bv _vKj Avgvi cov nq bv| hvi Rb cixvi mgq
fvjv cov nq| covi Pvc mw Kivi Rb ev cwZw`b A A Ki
covi Rb Avwg Kx KiZ cvwi?
Di : Avgv`i AbKiB kl gyn~Z Zvovov Ki KvR Kivi Afm
AvQ| WWjvBb GwMq bv Gj Avgiv KvRi Rb D`gx nZ cvwi
bv| cixvi iwUb bv cj ev mgq bB, cixv Avi cQvbv hve
bv G Aev bv nj Avgiv covq AvMn ev gbvhvM cvB bv| dj
Avgiv AbKB cixvi AvMi ivZ co cixv w`Z hvB| GZ
Avgiv cvk KiZ cvwi eU| wK fvjv iRv Kiv me nq bv| Avi
QvU Kvm G cwqvq cvi cq MjI eo Kvm hLb AbK cov
ZLb Avi Zvj mvgjvbv hvq bv| AbK Avevi covi GZ Pvc
mvgjvZ bv ci Amy nq co|
GwU Afvm bq, e`fvmhvi Kvbv fvjv w`K bB| Pvci gyL
KvR mevB KiZ cvi| wK Pvci AvM KvR KiZ cvivUvB `Zvi
jY| ZvB wbqwgZ covi Afvm Kib| fvjv Qv`i mv_ K_v ej
`Leb, Zviv cwZw`b GKUv wbw` mgq co| hZ eZvB _vKzK ev
hZ SvgjvB _vKzK, Gi eZq Zviv Ki bv|

Nygi mgmv
ck : coZ emj wKQyY ci Lye Nyg cvq| Avevi ivZ wbRi ig
GKv GKv covi mgq ARvbv GK fq Avgvi fZi KvR Ki| G
Kx KiZ cvwi?
ce 2 \ mvdj

129

Di : ivZ GKv GKv coZ emj AbK mgq GiKg fq jvMv

^vfvweK| nqZv gb nq GB eywS f~Z Gjv ev wRb-cix Gjv| wK
Avcwb hnZz GKRb KvqvUvg MvRyqU, ZvB Avcbvi evqexq
KvbvwKQyK fq cvIqvi wKQy bB| Avcwb Gjv _K myiwZ|
wbw gb coZ emeb| Avi coZ em Nyg Gj PvL cvwbi
SvcUv w`Z cvib| GZ KvR bv nj Pv LZ cvib| hw` GZI
KvR bv nq, Zvnj wbRi Rb kvwi eev KiZ cvib| wbRB
wbRi `yMvj Ggbfve Po gvibhvZ AbKY Rj| Avi fveyb
h, PoUv wbRK gviQb bv, gviQb LyPiv kqZvbK, h Nygi
ARynvZ AvcbvK cov _K `~i mwiq ivLZ PvBQ|
Avmj evcvi nQ wbRi `p BQv, hfveB nvK AvgvK Avgvi
cov kl KiZ ne Avgvi iwUb Abyhvqx| Avi GB iwUbUvK hLb
wbRi Rxeb cwZwZ KiZ cvieb, ZLb `Leb wbw` mgqi
AvM PvBjI Avcwb NygvZ cviQb bv| KviY QvRxeb Aaemvqx
nIqvi c_ GKUv eo evavB njv AwZ Nyg| NygK hw` wbqY
KiZ cvib `Leb KvR Kivi Rb mvivw`b AbKUv mgq Avcwb
cq hvQb|
ck : ivZ Avgvi Lye Nyg cvq Ges fvi DVZ cvwi bv| Kxfve Avwg
w`b Pvi Nv Nywgq myfve covjLv I Abvb KvR KiZ cviev?
Di : hviv gwWUkb Kib Zv`i Rb Pvi/ cuvP Nv NygB h_|
KviY AvaNvi gwWUkb `yB Nv Nygi mgvb DcKvi nq| Ze
Avcbvi hw` AvU/ bq Nv Nygi Afvm _vK, Zvnj GKw`bB Avcwb
Pvi/ cuvP Nv Nygi Afvm KiZ cvieb bv| avc avc cwZ gvm
AvaNv Ki Nyg KgvZ ne|
Avi Avcbvi hw` ivZ Nyg cvq, Zvi gvb Avcwb w`b ev mKvj
ewk Kgg _vKb| m ivZ ZvovZvwo q mKvj IVvi Afvm
Avcbvi Kiv DwPZ| KviY mKvji H mgqUvq Avcwb mZR gb wbq
hv coZ cvieb Zv nqZv w`bi Ab hKvbv mgqi Pq ewk|
A_vr AvcbvK Avcbvi `nQ`i mv_ wgwjq iwUb KiZ ne Ges
Zv AbymiYi Pv KiZ ne|
130

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

ck : gvS gvS mKvj Nyg _K DVZ cvwi| gvS gvS cvwi bv| Kx
Kij wbwZfve mgqgZv Nyg _K DVZ cviev?
Di : wbqwgZ gwWUkb KiZ ne| Avi hw`b mgqgZv Nyg _K
IVv hve bv mw`b GKejv LvIqvi UvKv gvwUi evsK `vb Kieb|
cwZvUv njv, Nyg _K hLb mgqgZv DVZ cvwi wb, AZGe `ycyi
Lvev bv| `Leb, GK `ycyii wL`B AvcbvK Nyg _K Zzj w`Q|
KviY eb Lei Pj MQ h, Nyg _K mgqgZv bv DVj `ycyii
Lvevi ne bv| A_vr hLb Kvbv Awbqgi Rb Avcwb kvwi eev
Kib, m mgmvi GKwU KvhKix mgvavbi c_ ZLb Zwi nq|
ck : Dj-L, evi evi Pv KiI Uwej Nywgq cov wbqY KiZ
cviwQ bv, AUvmvRkbI KvR nQ bv|
Di : Kx Kieb, coZ emj hLb Nywgq cob ZLb coZ emebB
bv| coZ `uvoveb| A_ev nuvUZ nuvUZ coeb| A_vr memgq weK
wPv Kieb| AvQv, Gfve GUv nq, Zvnj Gfve Ki `wL bv|
A_vr ni hvIqv hve bv| Rxebi mv_ hZevi nvieb ZZevi DV
`uvoveb, hiKg GKUv wk hZevi co ZZevi m DV `uvovq|
hZevi gb ne h, cvijvg bvAvevi bZzb Ki i Kieb|
KviY Rxeb GKUvB, wK i KiZ nq evi evi| fyj nZ cvi,
cvc nZ cvi, Abvq nZ cvi| GKevi nZ cvi| evi eviI nZ
cvi| wK mB fyjK kvaivbvi Rb AvcbvK Pv KiZ ne evi
evi| GKUv fyj Kijvg, Abvq Kijvg ev `vl Kijvg, GLb GB fyjUv
wbqB hw` em _vwK Zvnj Avwg Gev KLb? KvRB GB cvcUvK
gyQ dj AbykvPbv Ki Avevi `uvovZ ne, i KiZ ne|
ck : Avwg hLb GKUvbv coZ _vwK, ZLb `ycyii jvi ci Nyg Nyg
fve Pj Avm Ges Nywgq cwo| DiYi Dcvq Kx?
Di : jvi ci 15 wgwbU eRvmb Kieb Ges eRvmb GKUz Nywgq
beb| eRvmbI njv, NygI njv| ZviciI emj hw` Nyg Nyg cvq
ZLb emeb bv, covi Rb `uvoveb, coZ `uvoveb|
ce 2 \ mvdj

131

gwWUkb Kb
ck : j cuQvbvi Rb jLvcov Kiv Lye `iKvi| Avwg KvqvUvg
MvRyqU bB| wK gwWUkb Kwi| ZviciI coZ cvwi bv Kb?
Di : gwWUkbi jfjUv wVK nQ wK bv `LZ ne| Avcwb
GLbv KvqvUvg g_W Kvm Ask bb wb| Kvm Ask wbZ ne|
AbK mgq `Leb, KD KD Wvvii mnhvwMZv KiZ KiZ
Wvvi nq MQgvS gvS Zviv Lye mvKmmdzj Acvikb Ki
djb| wK Acvikb hw` fyj nqG fyj wZwb aiZ cvieb bv, hv
GKRb mvRb Lye mnRB cvieb Ges mskvab KiZ cvieb|
Avcwb hw` KvqvUvg g_W Kvm Ask bb Zvnj Avcbvi gwWUkb
jfj mK Avcwb wbRB eySZ cvieb| GKv GKv PPv KiI
Avcwb GZ cvieb| mgq jvMe, wK Pvi w`bi Kvm `Z m
i cuQ hveb|
ck : mgq ^Zvi KviY wkw_jvqb gwWUkb cuvP wgwbU Ki wK PPv
eRvq ivLv me?
Di : Avmj mgq ^Zv ej wKQy bB| cwZwU gvbyli RbB
mgcwigvY Nv-wgwbU-mK eiv| g~j welq njv, wZwb Kxfve Zvi
mgqK eq KiQb| A_vr Avcwb m KvRB mgq eq Kieb hv
iZc~Y ev DcKvwi ej gb Kib| hgb, Kb gwWUkb Kiv
`iKvimUv hw` wVK KiZ cvib Zvnj nvRvi eZvi gaI
Avcwb wVKB AvaNv Ki w`b `yejv gwWUkbi Rb mgq ei
Ki wbZ cvieb| KviY Avcwb Rvbb h, KvRjv my`ifve Kiv
Ges KvRi dmj Ni ZvjvG `yqi RbB gwWUkb| Avevi
eZvi ARynvZ w`q Avgiv AbK wKQy Kwi bv| wK GKRb mdj
gvbyl eZvi ga w`qB me KvR Ki bb|
GKevi GK Awdmi eo KZvK wRm Kiv nqwQjv, Zvi Awdm
Kvbv bZzb KvR KivZ nj wZwb KvK `vwqZ `b| wZwb ejwQjb,
Awdm h jvKwU mePq e, wZwb ZvKB `vwqZ `b| GB eZvi
132

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

gaB m KvR Ki `e| KviY mgqi ga KvR mdjfve mb

Kivi `Zv m Avq KiQ| Avi h jvKwU Ajm mgq KvUvq, m
Zvi GB Adzi Aemi wbqI KvRwU KiZ cvie bv| KviY AMvwaKvi
wfwZ eevcbvi `Zv Zvi bB|
Avi my`ifve mgqK KvR jvMvbvi PvweKvwV njv gwWUkb|
24 Nvi ga GK Nv gwWUkb eq Kij evwK 23 NvKI
Avcwb my`ifve eq KiZ cvieb| Avi PvweKvwV hw` dj `b
Zvnj evwK 23 Nvi AbKUv GgwbZB b nq hvq| gwWUkb
Kij eZv hgb evoe, Zgwb eZvi dmjK NiI Zzje
gwWUkb| gwWUkb Ki mgq b nj Avgiv wbRivI gwWUkb
KiZvg bv Ges Ab`iI Zv KiZ ejZvg bv| wK Avgiv PvB
QvQvxiv Kvm c_g Ges Rxeb c_g nvK| hvi Dcvq njv mgqK
mwVKfve KvR jvMvbv; mRb wbqwgZ gwWUkb KiZ ne|
ck : Avgiv hviv Qv Zv`i Kb `yejv gwWUkb Kiv DwPZ?
Di : hw` myhvM _vKZv Zvnj QvQvx`i ejZvg wZbejv/
Pviejv gwWUkb KiZwkv_x`i Rb gwWUkb GZUvB
iZc~Y| ckv cZqi cvkvcvwk gbvhvM Ges wZkw evovZ
gwWUkb GZUvB KvhKix h, h wkv_xivB wbqwgZ gwWUkb
KiQb, ZvivB fvjv QvQvx wnme cwiwPwZ cqQb| MelK`i
MelYv vivB GUv GLb cgvwYZ|
2007 mvj Pxbi 50 Rb QvQvxK wbq GK MelYv Kib W.
Rvs Ges Zvi mnhvMxiv| cwZw`b 20 wgwbU Ki gvU cuvP w`b
G`iK gwWUkb Kivbv nq| cuvP w`b ci gbvhvMi cixv wbq
`Lv Mj, meviB gbvhvMi DbwZ NUQ| ay Zv-B bq,
gwWUkbi dj Zv`i `ywv welYZv ivM Aemv` KgQ Ges
gvbwmK Dxcbv eoQ| `n KwUmj bvg m nigvbi wbtmiY
KgQ| eoQ ivM cwZiva gZv|
2005 mvj gvmvPymUm Rbvij nvmcvZvji MelK mvivn
jRvi I Zvi mnKgxiv GK MelYvq `LZ cvb h, gwWUkb
gvbyli gwi MVb e`j `q| Zviv `LZ cvb wbqwgZ gwWUkb
ce 2 \ mvdj

133

gbvhvMi mv_ mKhy gwi Ask wc-dUvj KU Ges ivBU

GvUwiqi BbmyjvG `yUvi cyiZ ew cvq|
Ggwi wekwe`vjqi MelK cvMbwb Ges mwKK `Lvb h,
gwi M gvUvii cyUvgb Ask, hv Avmj gbvhvMi KjKvwV
bvovq Zvi KvhgZv eoQ gwWUkbi gvag|
DBmKbwmb gwWKj KjRi MelK wedwRbw-jyBm Ges
Abvbiv `LQb wew wPv I AveM mw nq ebi h ZrciZvi
KviY gwWUkbi mgq Zv Kg mwq _vK| ZLb eis gbvhvM
mwKvix ZrciZv mwq nq| MelK jvR `LQb, wbqwgZ
gwWUkb gbvhvM Ges wZkw ew cvq Ges AveMMZ fvimvg
eRvq _vK|
ZvQvov gwWUkbi mgq eb Avjdv Iqf weivR Ki hv
gbvhvM ewi Rb mnvqK| 1970 mvj wevbx WwfW Iig Rbmb
Ges Zvi mnhvMxiv Avwevi Kib, ebi ejqjvi fvimvgi mv_
mRbkxjZvi mK AvQ| Avi Iig Rbmb, wWjeK, Iqvjm,
Uvwfm Ges Abvb mevi MelYvZB Avjv`v Avjv`vfve GUv `Lv hvq
h, gwWUkb GB fvimvgKB evovq|
MelKiv Aviv `Lb, gwWUkb wZkw evovq| 2004 mvj
wjfvicyj BDwbfvwmwUi MelK IqvKvd Zvi GK MelYvq `Lb,
gwWUkb Kivi dj AZxZ NUbv gb Kivi gZv ew cqQLye
ewk wZ nvZovZ nq wb| 2004 mvjiB AviKwU MelYvq wevbx
gybv_ 11 _K 16 eQi eqmx 60 Rb wkK 30 Rb Ki `yUv Mc
fvM Kib| GK McK gwWUkb, hvMevqvgi wKQy Avmb I `gPPv
Kivbv nq| AviK McK GKwU wPwk c`kbxZ Nywiq Avbv nq|
`yUv McKB GB AwfZvi AvM I ci wZkwi cixv Kiv nq|
`Lv Mj, 2q McwU A_vr hviv wPwk c`kbx _K Nyi GmQ
Zv`i wZkwi Kvbv cwieZb nq wb| A_P 1g McwUi gb ivLvi
gZv eoQ 43%|
Avmj Qvvevq gwWUkbi h gRv, h Avb`, h jfj, eyov
eqm G gRv KD KLbv cve bv| GKRb wKkvi ev GKRb ZiYi
wbRi Rxeb MVb Kivi h wekvj mvebv I myhvM iqQ GKRb
ei Zv bB| Avcbvi eqm hw` 20 eQi nq Zvnj Aviv 50 eQiK
134

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

djcm~ Kivi Rb gwWUkb Kiv DwPZ| myhvM nj wZbevi Kiv

DwPZ| GZ Ki LyPiv kqZvb `~i _vKe, gb ckv _vKe, gbvhvM
m~PvM ne, AvZMVb I AvZwbgvY mnR ne|

dvDkbi mv_ GKvZZv

ck : Kvm Kivi ci wKQyw`b ek BwZevPK wQjvg| wK B`vbxs evex
ev mncvVx`i AbKi K_vq cfvweZ nq hvB| Avwg Kx Kiev?
Di : Avcwb memgq mN _vKeb, dvDkb _vKeb| memgq
mUvi/ kvLv/ mj hveb| Kvhgjvi mv_ mshy neb|
cwZgvmi c_g eyaevi cv Rvjvwj cvMvg Avmeb| hZ Avcwb
dvDkbi mv_ _vKeb, ZZ `Leb bwZevPK KvbvwKQy AvcbvK
Avi cfvweZ KiQ bv|
Avcwb nqZv ejeb, Avwg Zv wkv_x, GZ wKQyZ mgq Kxfve
`ev| Avmj Avcwb mNi mv_ hZ GKvZ _vKeb, ZZ Avcbvi
Rxeb kLjv _vKe, iwUb _vKe Ges mywebvmvqb Kivi `Zv
evoe| dj cixvq Avcbvi c_g nIqvi mvebvI evoe| Avgv`i
KvqvwUqvi`i AbKB Zv`i wkvRxebI wQjb AZ mdj, c_g
mvwii KwZ wkv_x| dvDkb cPzi mgq w`qQb| Zviv Kb
ciQb? KviY dvDkb Zv`i mgqvbyewZZvi, mywebvmvqbi wkv
w`qQ| fvjv iRv Kivi AbyciYv-w`Kwb`kbv hywMqQ| myhvM
w`qQ mgqK fvjv fvjv KvR jvMvevi|
Avmj KD KD AvQb covjLvi `vnvB w`q dvDkbi
Kvbv cvMvgB Avmb bv| GgbwK evi GK Nvi mv`vKvqb
AvmZI Zv`i AbKiKg ARynvZ| eveZv nQ, GB GK Nvi
wewbgq h cvw Zvi nZv, Zv eySZ cvij wKQyZB GUv wZwb wgm
KiZb bv|
ck : dvBbvj cixvi mgq AvjvKvqb, mv`vKvqb, h_ wnwjs
BZvw` cvMvg AskMnY Kiv wK Riwi? Pv KiI dj fvjv bv
nj ZLb Kx Kiev?
ce 2 \ mvdj

135

Di : GKwU welq gb ivLZ ne h, wkv_x`i Rb dvBbvj

cixv nQ mePq Riwi Avi mePq iZc~Y nQ cixvq c_g
nIqv| cZK QvQvxi Rb cixvq c_g nIqvi Pv Kiv nQ
diR| cixvq c_g nIqvi wbqZv hw` _vK Zvnj mv`vKvqb,
AvjvKvqbmn hKvbv cvMvg Avcwb Ask wbZ cvib| wK
AvcbvK AvM cixvq c_g nIqvi welqwU wbwZ KiZ ne|
hLbB GiKg cixvi mgq ne, memgq AvM _KB kvLv ev
mji gvgwUqviK Rvbveb Ges H mgq Avcwb QywU wbq beb|
Ze Pv Kieb AZ mv`vKvqb Ask wbZ| KviY Avcwb Zv
mvivY coQb bv| eis mv`vKvqb h_ gwWUkb Ask bqv covq
gbvhvM evovZ mvnvh Kie|
Avi Zvici gb ivLebKg Avcbvi, Pv Avcbvi; A_vr c_g
nIqvi Rb Pv Kiv Avcbvi Rb diR wK djvdj Avj-vni nvZ,
GB RvqMvUvq Avevi fyj Kieb bv| Avj-vn h djB `bejeb,
kvKi Avjnvg`ywjj-vn! mw nQ h, c_g nIqvi Rb Avcwb Pv
KiQb| Gici cieZx avci Pvq bg coeb|
ck : Avwg nj _vwK| QvUejv _KB Avwg PzcPvc aibi| e wewP
gvbyli mv_ wgkZ ciwQ GLvb| Avgv`i igi Avcyiv ciPPv Avi
Abi mgvjvPbvq memgq gyLi _vKb| Zv`i iwP, K_vevZv Avgvi
fvjv jvM bv| Avwg Zv`i AvjvPbvq KLbvB AskMnY Kwi bv, dj
igi Ab`i _K Avwg gvbwmKfve wewQb| Avwg Zv`i _K
AbyciYvi wKQy cvB bv| Avwg Zv`i mv_ wbZv cqvRb Qvov K_v
ewj bv| Avwg Rvwb, Gi Rb Zviv Avgvi cQb K_v ej| wK
Avgvi gb nq, Avwg Avgvi Aevb wVK| Avgvi Kx Kiv DwPZ?
Di : Avcwb AvmjB Lye fvMevb| Avcbvi fZii fvjv gvbylwU
GLbv Lye my`i Aevq AvQ, fvjv Aevq AvQ| GLb hv`i wPvPZbvi mv_ wgj nq, hv`iK gb Kib h, GivI Avgvi gZv
fvjv _vKZ Pvq, Zv`i mv_ wgkZ ne| Avcwb hnZz KvqvUvg
MvRyqUdvDkbi KvqvwUqvi, MvRyqU G`i mv_ wgkeb|
136

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

mvaviY gvbyl fvjv KvDK `Lj c_g ZvK Aenjv Ki, Lvivc
eenvi Ki| wK ZviciI hLb `L h, mevi cwZ Zvi AvPiY
GKBiKg ZLb axi axi ZvK cQ` KiZ i Ki| ZvK kv
Ki, wbR`i Avkqj evbvZ Pv Ki| AZGe GB fvjvZUvK
Aviv evovZ ne| Avcwb h fvjv AvQb, GB fvjv _vKvUvK Aviv
GwMq wbq hZ ne| GKUv mgq Avme, hviv GLb Avcbvi cQb
K_v ej, Zviv AvcbvK mvb KiZ i Kie|
Avcwb wbqwgZ gwWUkb Kieb| evi mv`vKvqb A_ev
gjevi AvjvKvqb Avmeb Ges Avcbvi iggU`iI Av Av
gwWUkbi c_ wbq Avmyb| Avmj GKRb gvbyl Abi K_v ewk
ej hLb m wbRi `vljvK Pvcv w`q ivLZ Pvq| Abi
AgZv, Abi `vl m evi evi ej GK aibi Zw cvq| wbRi
gbK GB ceva w`Z Pvq h, G `vljv Abi, Abiv Lvivc, m
Avmj Lvivc bq| hLb Avcwb Aviv fvjv neb Ges I`iK fvjvi
c_ Avbvi Pv Kieb, ZvivI hLb AvZwbgM ne ZLb Zviv ckvw
cve Ges Avcbvi `jiB GKRb nq hve|
ck : KvqvUvg dvDkbi mv_ _vKZ fvjv jvM| GgbwK
covjLvi PqI ewk| eo Avcv, fvBqv my`i Ki ejj bv Gm
_vKZ cvwi bv| wK iRv Avkvbyic nQ bv| Kx Kiev?
Di : eo Avcv, fvBqv my`i Ki ejj Zv`iK Avevi ejeb,
`Lb, Avcbviv ejjI AvmZ cviwQ bv| iRv Lvivc nQ|
memgq gb ivLeb, Avcbvi iRv fvjv nIqvUv ay Avcbvi RbB
bv dvDkbi RbI cqvRb| Zvnj Avcwb dvDkbi AvmU
neb| dvDkb Pvq h, Avcwb fvjv iRv Kib| AekB
dvDkb Avmeb, wK evj Ki| dvDkb mgq w`j
iRvi Ici BwZevPK cfve coe hw` Avcwb evj Kib| XvKv
wekwe`vjq _K c_g nqQb Ggb QvQvxivI evj Ki mgq
w`qQb| Zviv mdj nqQb|
ck : gwWUkbi cvkvcvwk covkvbvi wW Kxfve ai ivLev?
ce 2 \ mvdj

137

Di : memgq gb ivLeb, mN nQ wW ai ivLvi Rb mePq

iZc~Y| dvDkbi mv_ memgq mshy _vKeb| hZ
evjWfve dvDkbi mv_ mshy _vKeb, ZZ covkvbvi wW
Avcwb ai ivLZ cvieb|
ck : Avgvi hLb KjR e _vK Aemi mgq ewk _vKvq Kvbv
iwUb AbymiY KiZ cvwi bv| Avi Aw`b ej KvqvwUqvi wnme
KvR KiZ hvB bv|
Di : Avi Aw`b gvb Kx? `yBw`b njI KvqvwUqvi nq hveb|
GKw`b njI neb| dvDkb Pj Avmeb| Avcy ev fvBqv`iK
ejeb, AvgvK wKQy KvR `b| Zv bv nj H Ajm mgq kqZvb
Pj Avme| Ges kqZvb AvcbvK h KvR `e m KvRUv Avcbvi
Rb Lye wZKi ne|

ezZ I cg \ wkv_x Rxebi duv`

ck : covjLvi KLbv KLbv Ggb nq h, wUgIqvK ev
McvwW AvekK| m Kxfve cvUbvi evQvB Kiev?
Di : Avmj vwW cvUbvi cqvRb wK Acwinvh bq| KviY Mc
vwWi bvg AbK mgqB `Lv hvq AvvevwR, ciPPv ev AcqvRbxq
KvR mgq b Kiv nQ| Avi vwW cvUbvi hw` Ggb KD nq h,
wnsmyK, ^v_ci, cg-Avvq Avm ev hvi mv_ cvqB fyj evSveywS
nq A_ev h Zvi ewMZ mgmvi K_v ej ej Avcbvi gvbwmK
Akvwi KviY NUvq, Zvnj m Avcbvi Rb KjvYKi bq eis
Aviv wZKi|
AZGe ZvKB vwW cvUbvi wnme wbevPb Kieb h gavex mr
mnhvwMZvcivqY Ges mevcwi Avcbvi wPv-PZbvi m GKvZ|
Avi McgU wbevPbi I GB ewkjv weeP| Ze G evcvi
wKQyUv bgbxq _vKv fvjv| KviY AbK mgq Ggb AbKi mv_ Mc
138

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

MoZ nq hviv mevB nqZv G mejv Y Yvw^Z bv-I nZ cvi|

m Zv`i mv_ KvRi Rb cqvRbxq hvMvhvM Ges evSvcov
_vKvUv evbxq|
ck : Ggb wKQz Kvm AvQ hLvb wUg IqvK ev Mc-cvUbvi AvekK|
m wUg Kivi evcvi euvavaiv hw` Ab Kvbv wbqg bv _vK ZLb
Kxfve wUg g^vi wbevPb Kiev ev Mc Zwi Kiev? Kvb w`KwU ewk
Lqvj ivLev?
Di : mevB AvwiK nj McvwWi AvBwWqvUv fvjv| hLb GKv
GKv cov eySZ K nq, bvU ev jKPvi ZzjZ mgmv nq wKsev
Drmvn ai ivLv hvq bv, ZLb McvwWB mePq mnR mgvavb| wK
mPZb bv _vKj GB McB nZ cvi Avv Avi mgq bi AvLov|
Mci m`m msLv Pvi/ cuvP Rbi ewk bv nIqvB evbxq| Giv
ne Ggb QvQvx hviv fvjv iRv KiZ Pvq Ges fvjv evS|
ZvK nZ ne `vwqZkxj Ges Mci mevi mv_ gvwbq Pjvi gZv
mnbkxj| Ges AwZ AekB mevB mevBK cQ` Kie|
Mci GKRb wjWvi _vKZ ne whwb Mci Dk AwRZ nIqvi
welqwU Lqvj ivLeb| mevB mgvb KvR KiQ wK bv, cviwiK
mK wVK AvQ wK bv Gjv hgb Lqvj ivLeb Zgwb AcvmwK
M, ciPPv ev md Vvv/ ZvgvkvZB mgq KU hvQ wK bv mUvI
`Leb| mvn `yB/ wZb evi emZ cvi Mc-mkb| emvi RvqMvUv
nZ ne gvUvgywU wbwiwewj, hLvb wew nIqvi myhvM Kg|
ck : mncvVx, wkK ev AwffveKi mv_ nj covkvbvi wZ
nq| mgmv mgvavbi Rb gwWUkb wK Zv`i eywSq ejev, bv
mivmwi wb`k `ev h, GUv Ki?
Di : wb`k w`j AvRKvj MnKgxivI we`vn Ki, Agvb Ki| wK
eywSq ejj Zv nq bv| ZvB wb`k bq, gwWUkb Zv`i evSveb,
Dy KiebggZv w`q, kv w`q| Avi AwffveK`i mv_ weZK Gwoq Pjeb| Zviv hLb ejQb, ZLb Avcwb Pzc Ki _vKzb|
ce 2 \ mvdj

139

cvv Reve `qvi Kvbv cqvRb bB| Zv`i K_v Avcbvi cQ` bv
njI PzcPvc bZ Zv Kvbv Amyweav bB| Avcwb `y-wZb w`b
Acv Kib| Zvici myhvMgZv ZvK evSveb|
Avmj mv_ mv_ cwZev` Kiv A_nxb| KviY Abc ZLb iM
AvQ| wbRi hywB Zvi KvQ GKgv MnYhvM| m mgq Avcwb hZ
hyw-evLvB w`b Zvi cfve co bv| wK hLb wKQyY ci ev
KqKw`b ci evSvZ hveb, `Leb Avcwb Zv cviQb|
KvRB mncvVx, gv-evev ev AwffveKmevi m fyj evSveywS
wbimb Avcwb eve G cwqvK KvR jvMvZ cvib| Avi Gi AvM
evSveb gwWUwUf jfj| wK mUvI vfi mv_ bq, ggZvi
mv_, kvi mv_| KviY vf wbq evSvZ Mj Zv Aviv `~i
mwiq `q|
ck : Avgvi mncvVx AvgvK bwZK_v kvbvq| Kvm Mj Ii mv_
AvgvK wgkZB nq| Ii m ZvM KiZ Avgvi Kx KiYxq?
Di : h mncvVx bwZK_v ej Zvi mv_ wgkZB ne Kb?
bwZK_v ejvi `yUv KviY _vKZ cvi| GK nZ cvi m eySZ
cviQ bv h, G K_vi Kx cfve Avcbvi Ici coe| wZxqZ Zvi
K_vq hvZ Avcwb nxbb nq cob Ges cwZhvwMZvq Zvi mv_
wUKZ bv cvib| AZGe h bwZK_v ej m KLbv Avcbvi
fvKvx bq| ZvK Av Av ev` w`q w`b| wgb BwZevPK
mncvVx`i mv_|
ck : wekl Ki wekwe`vjq AaqbiZ Aevq ezZ wK GK aibi
gwWKkb wnme KvR Ki bv? Zvnj Avcbviv GKZidvfve Gi
wei Kb?
Di : Avmj ezZi Avgv`i wPv Lye cwivi| ezZ Kvi
mv_ nq? h mggbv Ges mgPZbvq Dy| G aibi ezZ memgqB
ciYvi Drm wnme KvR Ki| Avgiv Kb mNe? KviY Avgiv
mggbv| Avgv`i PZbv j Dk GK| GUvI wK ezZ bq?
140

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

A_vr mggbv Ges mgPZbv bv nj Avmj ezZ nq bv| hiKg

GKRb WvM-GwWi mv_ GKRb mvaviY gvbyli ezZ ne bv, Avi
njI mUv wUKe bv| KviY m AvcbvK memgq Gc-qU Kie,
Ges Pv Kie AvcbvK WvMmi ga wbq hZ| Avmj Avgiv
GKZidvfve weivwaZv KiwQ bv, eis GB evcvijvK Zzj aiwQ
hvZ ezZ Rwoq Avcbviv wZM bv nb|
ck : mncvVx`i mv_ AvPiY wKic nIqv DwPZ? ez`i mv_ gkvi
KZUzKz mxgveZv Aej^b KiZ ne?
Di : Avmj mncvVx gvbB ez bq| mymK _vKe mevi mv_ wK
ezZ ne Zv`i mv_B hv`i Rxeb PZbv I ji mv_ Avcbvi
wgj iqQ| Avcbvi eziv hw` gavex, mnvbyf~wZkxj, my^v I my`i
ewZi AwaKvix nq, Zvnj AvcbviI Zv ARb Kivi mvebv
_vKe| Avi eziv hw` bwZevPK `wfwi ev ip AvPiY Af nq,
jnxb Rxeb fm eovZ _vK, WvM, a~gcvb I Abvb e` Afvm
wj _vK ev gvvb I mvmx`i mv_ RwoZ _vK, Zvnj Zviv
Rxebi mygnvb j _K AvcbvK wePzZ KiZ cvi|
Kvbv ez hw` Avcbvi Rb Avb`i KviY bv nq, hw` ewkifvM
mgqB Zvi mv_ ZK-weZK KU hvq, Zvnj Avcbvi AvPiY wKQy
cwieZb Avbv DwPZ| nq Zvi mv_ `Lv Kivi mgq Kwgq w`b ev
Kxfve Zvi mv_ gZK mw Kiv hvq Zv LuyR ei Kib| KviY,
gvMZ gZvbK Avcbvi gvbwmK ckvw webi KviY nZ cvi|
Avmj GB ez, evexGiv me `yai gvwQ| hZY Avcwb Zv`i
LvIqvZ cviQb, Dcnvi w`Qb, ZZYB Zviv _vKe| LvIqvbv,
bvU `qvGjv GKevi e Ki `Lyb KRb _vK|
ck : evmvq covkvbvi mgq Nwb ez eovZ Gj Kxfve Avwg
Avgvi covkvbv Pvwjq hZ cviev?
Di : G ezK Lye ^vfvweKfve ejZ ne`L ez, GLb
nqZv Zvgvi eovbvi mgq, wK GUv Avgvi covi mgq| AZGe
ce 2 \ mvdj

141

AvgvK coZ ne, wKQy gb Kiv bv| mvgbi AgyK w`b Avwg wd
AvwQ, ZLb Zvgvi mv_ M Kiev, Nyi eovev, wK AvR bq| A_vr
ZvK eywSq `qv h, covjLvi Avcwb Kvbv Qvo w`Z ivwR
bb| hZ NwbB nvK bv Kb, covi mgq KD Avcbvi ez bv|
ZvQvov Avcwb hw` hywmZ KviY bv ejZ bv cvib, meviB
gbvib KiZ Pvb, Zvnj Avcwb `xNm~wZvq fyMeb| bv cvieb
jLvcov kl KiZ, bv cvieb mevBK Lywk KiZ| ZvB AvcbvK
webqi mv_ bv ejZ wkLZ ne|
memgq nvZ mgq I KvR KZUv AvQ weePbv Ki nuv ejyb| G
mvn KiZ bv cvij AvMvgx mvn AvmZ ejyb| hZUzKz KiZ
cvieb ZZUzKzB ejyb| Avcwb myLx neb, AbivI Avb` cve|
ck : Avwg Rvwb h, QvRxeb cg njv GKUv Awe`v| wK ZviciI
wecixZ wji cwZ AvKlY _K ewiq AvmZ cviwQ bv| Kx Kiev?
Di : GB h Rvbvi ciI ewiq AvmZ cviwQ bvKb? KviY
Awe`vi GKUv AvKlY AvQ| hv mnR Avq Kiv hvq, hv ARbi
Rb gbvhvMi Zgb cqvRb bB, Zvi cwZ AvKlYUv memgq
ewkB _vK| Abw`K we`v ARb KivUv KwVb Ges mUv cvjb Kiv
Aviv KKi| dj we`vi Pq Awe`v Avgv`i cfvweZ Ki ewk|
gbK evSvZ ne h, gb, GLb Avgvi Rxeb Movi mgq| cg
Kivi Rb mvgb AbK mgq AvQ| GLb hw` K ^xKvi Kwi Zvnj
Avgvi kl fvjv ne| ZLb G K kZY Avgvi Avb`i KviY
ne| wK GLb md covkvbv|
GKUz K ne, wK hviv eywgvb Zviv fwelr mgwi Rb GB
KK ^xKvi Ki bq| Avi hviv wbeva Zviv GB gyn~Zi KK
^xKvi KiZ Pvq bv| Zviv wYKi Avb`UvB eo Ki `L| KviY
Zvi mvgb eo Kvbv ^c bB| aib, eo gvQ h aiZ PvqQvU gvQ
wQc GjI m wK Zvj bv, Qo `q| KviY GUv Zvi cqvRb
bB| GUv wbZ Mj mgq b ne, Gi ga eo gvQUv nvZQvov nq
hve| AZGe, eo gvQ hvi j m QvU QvU gvQ KLbv ai bv| h
evN wkKvi KiZ Pvq, m KLbv PoB gvi bv|
142

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

jZv gykKiKZ eo MvwqKv! AvRI Zvi Mjv mB wKkvix Ki

gZv! Kb GUv me nqQ? Zvi mvabv, msMxZi cwZ Zvi fvjevmvi
KviYB jZv AvRK jZv gykKi nZ ciQb|
ZvB Rxeb c_g nIqvi h Avb`, m Avb` hw` cZ nq Zvnj
GLbKvi QvU QvU Avb`jvK eRb KiZ ne| Avgiv hUvK
ivgv ewj, hUvK cg ewj, Zvi Pq Rxeb AbK eo| Rxebi
mB eo w`KjvK Avgv`i MnY KiZ ne|
ck : MZ Qq gvm hveZ Avwg Kviv viv cfvweZ| Avi eySZ cviwQ
h, Abvq KiwQ| wK Zvi cwZ AvKlY KgvZ cviwQ bv| mvivY GB
wPvq covkvbv nQ bv| Kx Ki G AvKlY Kgvev?
Di : G eqm AvKlYUv ^vfvweK Ges evSvB hvQ GUv wecixZ
wji Kviv cwZ| KviY mgwj mvaviYZ GiKg AvKlY nq bv|
hnZz AvKlYUv wecixZ wji Kviv cwZ Ges GUv covkvbv b
KiQ, KvRB AvcbvK wPv KiZ ne, GB AvKlY Avcbvi Kx jvf
nQ? nqZv hyw w`q G AvKlY _K ewiq Avmv hve bv| ZvB
Ab KvbvwKQyi cwZ AvKlY mw KiZ ne| GKUv AvKlYK
KvUvZ nq Ab AvKlY w`q| hgb, fvjvi Pv Ki Kvbv jvf nq
bv| ZLb Aviv ewk ewk Ki gb co| eis AvKlYUvK ZLb e`j
djZ nq| hLb AbwKQy wbq Avcwb gbvhvMx neb, wfb wKQyi cwZ
AvKlY mw KiebAvcwb fyjZ cvieb|
Avmj GB cg, wecixZ wji cwZ Avmw Gme KviY GLb
BDivc-AvgwiKvi Qj-gqivI covkvbvq, vb AbK wcwQq
MQ| BDivc-AvgwiKvZ AvR _K 100 eQi AvM h gvci
cwZfv wQjv, 50 eQi AvMI h gvci cwZfv wQjv, h gvci bZZ
wQjv, m gvci bZZ ev cwZfv GLb bB| Gi AbZg cavb
KviYGB cgivM, RweKZvi cwZ Avmw|
ck : Avgvi mv_ gwWKj KjR co GK evex MZ wZb eQi hver
GKwU QjK cQ` KiZv| wK wKQy evR Qj mB QjwUK
Avgvi evex mK bvbviKg K_v ej hv m~Y wg_v| Gme kvbvi
ce 2 \ mvdj

143

ci QjwU Avgvi evexi mv_ meiKg hvMvhvM e Ki `q| dj

I GLb jLvcovmn me bvbviKg mgmvi myLxb nQ| I
KvqvUvg mK Rvb| AvgvK memgq ej, Avwg hb Kgv
mUvi Gb mB QjwUK evSvB Ges Ii mv_ Avevi hvMvhvM
KiZ ewj| iRx, Avwg wnwjs I mvBwK IwiqUkb KiwQ| Avwg wK
wnwjsqi mgq QjwUK evSvev? GQvov Avgvi Avi Kx KiYxq AvQ?
Di : Gme RwoZ nIqvUv nQ AvnvwK| AvnvK neb bv|
Kvbv Qj hw` Kvbv gqK AviKRbi K_v b Awekvm Ki,
Avcbvi c Zv ZvK Kgv mUvi Gb evSvbv me bv| G
aibi KvRi ga KLbv hveb bv| Avi Gjv Zv KvR bq,
AKvR| Avcbvi ezi jLvcovmn me bvbviKg mgmv nIqvUv
Lye ^vfvweK| KviY, hvivB jLvcov KiZ wMq wec_ Pj hvq,
wecixZ wji cwZ Avm nq co, wewfb iKg mgmvK Zviv
wbRivB wbR`i w`K AvK Ki|
Avcwb gwWKj covkvbv KiZ MQb, gbvhvM w`q covkvbv
Kib| Avcbvi j ne fvjv Wvvi nIqv, gvbyli ivMi wPwKrmv
Kiv| evexi cgivMi wPwKrmv Kiv Avcbvi KvR bv|
ck : Avwg wVK KiwQ h, KLbv cg Kiev bv| wK Avgvi Qj I
gqezDfqB AvQ| Avgvi evmvi gvbyl AbK mgq m`n Ki h,
Avgvi evanq Kviv mv_ mK AvQ| Gi dj hw` KLbv ez`i
mv_ dvb K_v ewj Zvnj fyj evSveywSi mw nq| wK Avwg KLbv
G iKg mK Rovev bv ej wVK KiwQ| ZviciI h mgmv nQ
Gi mgvavb Kx?
Di : Avmj cZK ZiY-ZiYx cg covi AvM wmv bq h,
m KLbv cg coe bv| A_P m h KLb cg co hvq, m wbRI
Zv evS AbK ci| Avi 40 eQi ai Avwg `LwQ h, wecixZ wj
KLbv ezZ nq bv| c_g hw` nqI, GKUv mgq Zv cg ne, bv nq
`wnK mK ne| GUv AvM _K KD Ui cvq bv| Avi hLb Ui
cvq ZLb AbK `wi nq hvq|
144

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

AZGe, wecixZ wji mv_ KLbv ezZ nq bv, mymK nq|

KvRi cqvRb GKRb mncvVxi mv_ h mK _vKv `iKvi, wecixZ
wji njI ZZUzKzB _vKZ cvi| wK ezZ KiZ hveb bv| KviY
ezZi mv_ AveM RwoZ _vK| Avi wecixZ wji mv_ hLb
AveM RwoZ nq, GB AveMi cwiYwZ nq cg A_ev `wnK mK
A_ev weq njI nZ cvi| wK GwU KLbv ay ezZ mxwgZ _vK
bv| AZGe Avgiv KD hb G K_v bv ewj, Avwg wmv wbqwQ, cg
Kiev bv| KviY KD wmv wbq cg Ki bv|

Qv-wkK mK
ck : Kvm mvi Lye `Z covb| GZ `Z h, Avgiv wVKgZv jKPvi
ZzjZ cvwi bv| Avevi fvjv evSvZI cvib bv| wK Kvbv ck
Kij eKvewK Kib| G Avgiv Kxfve gbvhvMx nev?
Di : Avmj GUv wVK h, GiKg wkKi KvmK GbRq Kiv wKQyUv
KwVb| wK GUv gb wbZ ne h, cixvi LvZv hw` wZwb `Lb Zv
Zvi vi AvcbvK nZB ne| AZGe mvi/ gvWvg fvjvG
`wfwUvB wbRi ga wbq Avmyb| eve hw` bv cvib, gwWUkbi
mvnvh wbb| KviY QvQvx`i GKwU mvaviY ceYZv njv wUPviK
wec gb Kiv| mPZb ev AePZbfve h wkK`i Zviv AcQ`
Ki, myhvM cjB Zvi Avovj wbR`i ga ZvK wbq mgvjvPbv
Ki ev Zvi Kvbv AvPiYi wb`v Ki| AbKmgq Zvi Kvbv
gy`v`vl _vKj mUv wbq KvwiKPvi Kivi ceYZvI `Lv hvq Zv`i
ga| Avi G mewKQyi AePZb GKUv cfve co H wkKi Ici|
`Lv hvq, eve ay Zvi mv_B Svgjv nQ|
wkK fvjvG `wfw Avcbvi wbRi RbB cqvRb| Avcwb
hw` wUPviK wec gb Kib, Zvnj wZwb Kb AvcbvK c gb
Kieb? ZvB mvaviY`i gZv mvivY wkKi mgvjvPbvq gyLi bv
_K Zvi cwZ BwZevPK `wfw cvlY Kib| myhvM-myweavgZv ck
Kib, Kvm ev Kvmi evBiI nZ cvi| Avcbvi covi cwZ AvMn
evoe| cveb wkKi fvjevmv, mnhvwMZv I AvbyK~j|
ce 2 \ mvdj

145

QvRxeb vf-Awfgvb
ck : gb nq Avgvi gv-evev AvgvK evS bv| Avgvi mewKQyZB
Zv`i bv| dj Zv`i mv_ Mvc AbK ewk| Kx Kiv hvq?
Di : Avgvi gv-evev AvgvK evS bv, fvjevm bv, Avgvi ^vaxb
weKvki c_ Aivq, KwVb wbqg-kLjvi wbMo ew` Ki iLQ
gv-evevK wbq GiKg AwfhvM Avgiv AbKB Kwi| AbK mgq Zv
mZI| Zviv nqZv Zv`i wPvUv mvbi Ici Pvwcq w`Z PvQb
ev wbRi Ac~Y ^ci evevqb `LZ PvQb mvbK w`q Zvi PvIqv
ev cwiewZZ mgqi K_v gv_vq bv iL|
wK GB vfi bU iRv Kx? Aviv vf, Aviv e_Zv Ges
Aviv nZvkv| evcviUvK Gfve `Lybgv-evev MU nZ cvib,
wK Avcwb njb jU| jUi `vwqZ ewk, ZvB gv-evev hw`
AvcbvK eySZ bv cvib, evSvbvi `vwqZ Avcbvi| Zv`i evSvZ
ne mB fvlvq h fvlv Zviv evSb| Avi Zv njv kvi fvlv,
ggZvi fvlv, fvjevmvi fvlvh fvlvi Kvbv Rbvikb Mvc bB|
Avi hw` Ggb nqmgeqmx ev wgwWqvi PvKwPK viv cfvweZ nq
mw nqQ Avcbvi G Pvwn`v Ges hv `qvi mvg_ Zv`i bB, Zvnj
Zv`i AgZvK Avcbvi gb bqv DwPZ|
Avmj evBi ez-eve`i mv_ ev Kvm mncvVx`i mv_ Avgiv
Lye my`i AvPiY KwiGZ fvjv Qj, GZ fvjv gq Avi nq bv!
wK evmvq? mvaviYfve evmvq Avgv`i gRvR Lye Lvivc _vK|
ivMi ^i K_v ewjSvwo `qv Qvov Zv Kvbv K_vB bB| Avi
GLvbB fyjUv Kwi|
ejv nq, DP^ii k Kvb cek Ki, Avi h k axi-wi fve,
Av Av Kiv nq m k `q cek Ki| dj hZ Av K_v
ejeb mwU gv-evevi `q XyKe, Avi hZ Rvi ejeb mwU GK
Kvb w`q XyKe, Ab Kvb w`q ewiq hve!
KviY Zviv gb KiQb GUv mvbi eqmi `vl, Av Av wVK
nq hveGUvK wK Zviv iZ w`Qb bv| Avi Iw`K mvb gb
Ki h, hZUzKz `qv `iKvi ZZUzKz gbvhvM gv-evev Zvi cwZ w`Qb
146

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

bv| dj DwRZ nq kviMvj Ki Ggb me AvPiY KiQ hv ZvK

gv-evevi gbvhvM _K Aviv `~i mwiq wbQ|
Avmj gv-evev nQb MvQi gZv hvi dj Avi Qvqvq eo IV
mvbi Rxeb| mvbi Rb AbK gv-evevB MvQi gZvB bxie
wbtkl Ki `b wbRK|
MvQi GKwU cvPxb M Avgv`i PvL Lyj w`Z cvi| AbK Kvj
AvM GK Mvg wQjv wekvj GK AvgMvQ| GKwU wk ivR Gm mB
MvQi Wvj Szj Ljv KiZv| Avg co LZv| `ycyiejv Kv nq
mB MvQi wbPB LvwbKY Nywgq wbZv| MvQI wkwUi GB Avb`
hvM w`Zv| MvQwU ZvK MnY Kijv ez wnme| wK GKw`b m
Gjv bv| Acv Ki Ki MvQ eySjv AvR Avi m Avme bv|
Gfve KU Mj AbKw`b| nVvr GKw`b `Lv Mj GKwU evjK
gb Lvivc Ki em AvQ MvQi Mvovq| mB wk GLb evjK nqQ|
MvQ wRm KijvKx nqQ wcq ez Avgvi? Kb Zzwg GZw`b
Avmv wb? QjwU ejjv, Avwg GLb eo nqwQ| MvQ wbq LjZ Avi
Avgvi fvjv jvM bv| Avgvi GLb Ljbv `iKvi| wK Avgvi KvQ
UvKv bB| MvQ ejjv, Avnv! wK ez, UvKv Zv Avgvi KvQI bB|
Zzwg bv nq Avgvi Avgjv me co wbq hvI| Gjv wew Kij
wbqB wKQz UvKv cve| evjKwU Zv-B Kijv| wK Gici Avi m
Gjv bv| MvQ Acv KiQ|
AbKw`b ci GK myVvg `ni hyeK Gjv mLvb| MvQ wPbZ
cvijv ZvK| LywkZ AvULvbv nq ejjv, Gmv ez! Avgiv Avevi
AvMi gZv Lwj| i^i hyeKwU Reve w`jvbv, bv, Ljvi mgq
Avgvi bB| AvgvK GLb msmvii Rb iwR-ivRMvi KiZ nq|
Avgvi GLb GKUv Ni `iKvi| MvQwU ejjv, I AvQv, wK Ni Zv
Avgvi bB| Zzwg eis Avgvi Wvjjv me KU wbq hvI| Gjv
w`qB evbvZ cvie Zvgvi Ni| hyeKwU Zv-B Kijv| hyeKK Lywk
`L MvQi gbI Avb` bP DVjv|
KU Mj Aveviv AbKw`b| wbtm MvQwU GLbv Acv Ki
wcq ezK `Lvi Avkvq| AbK eQi ci GK gaeqmx cyil Gm
`uvovjv MvQi wbP| MvQ ZvK `L Avbw`Z njv| wcq ez GmQ|
ce 2 \ mvdj

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gb Lvivc `L wRm KijvKx NUbv? m ejjv, msmvii aKj

mvgjvZ mvgjvZ Avwg Kv| gbUvK Pvv Kivi Rb Avwg GLb
mgy` ewiq coZ PvB| wK Avgvi h Kvbv bKv bB| MvQ
ejjv, fvebv wK ez! Avgvi KvLvbv wbq hvI| GUv w`qB bKv
evbvZ cvie Zzwg| cvPxb MvQi wekvj Kv Vjvq Pvwcq wbq Pj
Mj m gaeqmx cyil|
AbK eQi ci jvwVZ fi Ki axi cvq MvQi mB RvqMvq Gm
`uvovjv eqmi fvi byq cov GK e| gZcvq kKoi GKUv wXwe
Qvov MvQi wKQzB AvR Avi Aewk bB| ZeyI m ej DVjv, GmQv
ez! wK ZvgvK `qvi gZv Avgvi h Avi wKQz bB| dj bB, Wvj
bB, Kv bB| Kx w`q Avwg Zvgvi mev Kiev ej?
e ejjv, Ime w`q AvR Avi Avgvi Kvbv KvR bB| Avwg
GLb Kv Aemb| wekvgi GKUz RvqMvB GLb Avgvi PvIqv| MvQ
ejjv, ez, eyov MvQi giv kKoi Pq wekvgi fvjv RvqMv Avi
Kx nZ cvi? Vm w`q emv| me fvebv fyj wbw Avivg Ki|
e Zv-B Kijv| AbKw`b ci nvmjv wbtm MvQ| Kuv`jvI|
Ze G Kvbv Avb`i| nvivbv wcqRbK KvQ wdi cvIqvi LywkZ|
GB wk _K e cwiYZ nIqv gvbylwUK wK Avcbvi wbzi gb
nQ? AKZ gb nQ? Zvnj gb Ki `Lyb ZvAvcbvi gvK wK
Avcwb KLbv abev` w`qQbAvcbvK aviY, jvjb Ges cvjbi
LyuwUbvwU KvRjv eQii ci eQi ai A-vb e`b Ki hvIqvi Rb?
evevK wK KLbv _vsKm RvwbqQb KvwRZ DcvRb AvcbvK
AvRKi Aevb Mo `qvi Rb? kvmbi Avovj nc~Y gb wbq
AvcbvK mwVK c_-wb`kbvi Rb?
nqZv Avcwb gb KiZ cvieb bv| KviY gv-evev Avgv`i Rb
hv wKQz Kib Avgiv ai wbB h, GUv Zv Zv`i `vwqZ| wK fe
`Lyb, Gi hKvbv GKwU I hw` Zviv `vwqZwU cvjb bv KiZb,
Kx Aev nZv Avcbvi! KZ Amnvq nq coZb Avcwb!
ck : Rxeb j AvQ, j hvevi mvg_I AvQ; wK gb Lvivc
_vKj eB QuzqI `LZ BQ Ki bv| wZ nQ Rvwb, wK w`bi ci
w`b cov nq bv| gyW wVK Kivi Rb Kx Kiev `qv Ki ejeb?
148

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Di : Avgv`i mgq mePq ewk AcPq nq GB gb Lvivc ev gyW

Ad _vKvi Qj| fe `Lyb, Rxebi KZUv mgq Avcwb ay gb
Lvivci Rb gbvhvM w`q coZ cvib wb| cixv Lvivc
w`qQb| Kx jvf nqQ ZvZ? gb ci fvjv nqQ wVKB| wK h
cixv Lvivc nqQ ev Awfgvb Ki h myhvM nvZQvov KiQb Zv
Zv Avi wdi Avm wb|
Avmj hviv `ytLwejvmx Zviv Zgb Kvbv KviY QvovB `ytL cvq,
K cvq| GUv Zv`i GK aibi ivM| wK Rxebi eveZvi
gyLvgywL nj AbK mgqB cvwjq hvq Zv`i G `ytLwejvm|
GKevi bvwmiwb nvRv `Ljv, GK jvK c_i Ici em AvQ
Lye wegl nq| Kx nqQ wRm KiZB jvKwU ejjv, Zvi AbK
ab-mw| LvIqv-civ wbq Kvbv fvebv bB| wK Zvi wKQzB fvjv
jvM bv| Rxebi cwZ AvMn nvwiq djQ| Ni-evwo, x-mvb
KvbvwKQzB Avi ZvK AvKlY Ki bv| G AwiZv mBZ bv ci
evwo Qo ewiq GmQ m|
nvRv gbvhvM w`q bjb| nVvr wKQz bv ejB cvk ivLv
jvKwUi Kvcoi evPKv wbq w`jb GK QzU Ges wbgl nq Mjb
PvLi Avovj| weqi Nvi KvUZB jvKwUI wcQz avIqv Kijv|
wK nvRvK cvq K?
AbK`~i hvIqvi ci ivvi Ici GK RvqMvq evPKvwU iL MvQi
Avovj Acv KiZ jvMjv nvRv| Gw`K QzUZ QzUZ Kv Aemb
DwM jvKwU hLb GLvb Gm Zvi evPKv LyuR cjv, Avb` wPrKvi
Ki m ej DVjv, cqwQ! cqwQ! GBZv Avgvi evPKv| ew`b m
GZ Lywk nZ cvi wb| nvRv Avovj _K nm ejjb,
`ytLwejvmx`i GfveB kvqv KiZ nq|
Avmj Avcbvi hv AvQ Zv wbq Z nvb| fveyb Zv`i K_v hviv
Avcbvi PqI Lvivc Aevq AvQ| Kwiqv Kib h, Zv`i Pq
fvjv AvQb| Avcbvi gb Lvivc ne bv| Avi cZvkv Kieb bv| Kx
cvQb bq, Kx w`Z cvib Zv wbq fveyb| Avcbvi K _vKe bv|
gvbylK fvjevmyb| Ab`i wUjv LyuR bv ewoq Kx Kx Y
Zv`i AvQ Zv wbq fveyb| cksmv Kib, mvdji Rb Awfbw`Z
Kib| gwWUkb KjvY Kvgbv Kib| Avcbvi ckvw eo hve|
ce 2 \ mvdj

149

AnZzK gyW Ad ev gb LvivcK Govbvi Rb e _vKzb|

covjLvi ciI h mgqjv wKQz Kivi bB, `ytLwejvm bv KvwUq
gvbyli Rb KvR Kib| Avmj vf-KK hw` Avgiv wek-lY Kwi
Zvnj `Lev vfi Zzjbvq NUbvUv AbK ZzQ| GUv Aek eqmi
KviY| ZiY eqmUvB Ggb h, G eqm vfUv GKUz ewkB _vK|
wK gvbwmK eqmK Avgiv AbK `Z evwoq wbZ cvwi| gvbwmK
eqm evovZ cvij `Lev, GLb h K_vq `ytL cvwQ, Kuv`wQ, m
K_vjv A_nxb nq hvQ, gv-evev, AvZxq^Rbi mv_ GKvZZv
evoQ| cvwicvwkK bwZwPv viv cfvweZ nwQ bv| gvB KiwQ bv|

KvR Ki covi LiP hvMvbv

ck : wkvRxeb covkvbvi cvkvcvwk cvU UvBg Re wK MnYhvM?
G `wfw Kx ne?
Di : covkvbvi cvkvcvwk cvU UvBg Re Kiv hZ cvi hw` m KvR
covkvbvK evnZ bv Ki| eis ejv hvq, Gfve KvR Kij fvjv
iRv Kivi mvebv eo hvq| KviY Abiv h mgqUvK AvvevwR
ev ezZi bvg AnZzK b KiQ mUvKB Avcwb KvR jvMvQb|
cw_exi BwZnvm hviv LvwZgvb nqQb, mdj gvbyl wnme cwZv
cqQb, Zv`i AwaKvskB Lye mvaviY Aev _K wZj wZj cwikg
AvRKi Aevb cuQQb| Avi Zv`i jLvcovi myhvM h GZ
mnRjf wQjv bv, Zv Zv ejvB evj| AbKB wbRi jLvcovi
LiP hvMvbvi Rb hKvbv KvR KiZI waveva Kib wb|
cLvZ mvwnwZK AvjvDwb Avj AvRv`i D`vniY `qv hvq|
Mvgi GK mvaviY cwievii mvb wQjb wZwb| gv `o eQi eqm
gv-K nvivb| evevK nvivb 10 eQi eqm| mnvq mw hv wQjv
AvZxq^Rbiv me `Lj Ki weZvwoZ Kijv ZvK| wbt^ AvjvDwb
hb AbKUv Dcjw Kijb, mKj cwZKjZvK civ Ki AwZ
ivi msMvgi GKgv A njv wkv| eBqi ga LyuR cjb
ivgvKi RMr| nvBzj _K i Ki DPwkvi kl ch Kvmi
150

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

c_g vbwU wQjv Zvi Rb wbavwiZ| ejvevj, wbRi covi LiP

hvMvo KiZ nZv Zvi wbRKB| KLbv wUDkwb, KLbv Leii
KvMRi Awdm cvUUvBgGB KiB PjZ nZv ZvK|
gv-evevK nvwiq h `v`xgvi KvQ eo nqwQjb, webv wPwKrmvq
ZvK gviv hZ `L PqwQjb Wvvi nZ| wK A_vfve Zv-I
njv bv| fwZ njb evsjvq| dvKvm dv njb| GgG-ZI Zv-B|
jviwkc wbq DPwkvi Rb Mjb eUb| jb BDwbfvwmwU _K
wcGBPwW Kijb| 70 mvj wZwb nqwQjb iqj mvmvBwUi djv|
AvgwiKv fvlv mwgwZi m`mI nqwQjb wZwb| AmvaviY gavex I
mRbkxj iPbvi Rb `k-we`k wZwb LvwZgvb nq DVwQjb|
Dcbvm, QvUM, bvUK, ce, Kve, wkZvl iPbv, gYKvwnbx,
RxebxMA_vr mvwnZi Ggb Kvbv bB, hLvb Zvi Abb
mRbi k jvM wb|
KvRB covkvbvi cvkvcvwk LKvjxb KvR KiZ cvib hw`
cqvRb nq|
ck : Avwg GKRb Qv| Avgvi eo fvB-evbiv AvgvK Kvbv
mnhvwMZv Ki bv| AvZmvbi Rb Zv`i KvQ PvBZI cvwi bv|
GRb Zv`i Ici Avgvi AbK ivM| GgZvevq Avgvi Kx KiYxq?
Di : AvZmvbi K_v ejQb Avcwb| mwZKvii AvZmvbeva
hw` _vKZv Zvnj eo fvB-evb mnhvwMZv KiQ bv GRb Avcwb
ivM KiZb bv| eis wPv KiZbKxfve Avcwb Zv`iK mnhvwMZv
KiZ cvib| Ab`i KvQ _K cvIqv bq, AvZmvbevamb
gvbyl memgq wPv Ki Ab`i Kxfve m mnhvwMZv KiZ cvi|
Avi Qv njB h Abi Ici wbfikxj nZ ne, mnhvwMZv wbZ
ne Zv bq| AbK QvQvx AvQb hviv wUDkwb Ki ay wbRi cov
bq, cwieviKI PvwjqQb| KvRB eo fvB-evb`i KvQ _K
mnhvwMZv cvQb bvGRb ivM Kivi hwKZv bB|
ck : cwZw`b mvi ci covkvbv KiZ BQv Ki wK cvqB KvRi
Pvc covkvbv KiZ cvwi bv| ivZ kvevi AvM gb Lvivc nq
GRb h, me KvRB nq, Kej covkvbvUvB nq bv| B`vbxs bvgvRI
ce 2 \ mvdj

151

nq, gwWUkbI Kiv nq `yBevi; wK covkvbv nq bv gbi gZv

Ki| Gfve vb ARb mvivRxebB evavi myLxb nwQ| GLb Avgvi
Kx KiYxq?
Di : Avmj covkvbvq cwikg ewk wK mdjZv KgGB RvZxq
Kvbv wPv Avcbvi gbi Mfxi eg~j nq MQ| GRbB Kej
covkvbvZB evavUv AvmQ| GLb Avcwb cvMvg Ki djyb h, GB
mgqUzKz Avwg coev| GB mgq ezeve, gv-evev h-B AvmyK, h-B
WvKzK, Avwg DVev bv, Avwg coev| A_vr Avcwb `pcwZ neb h,
Avwg coevB|
Avi mvi mgq Avcwb wKQy bv wKQyy Zv KiQb| hv KiQb H mgq
mUv cvqvwiwU cvQ, covkvbv bv| hw` covkvbvUv cvqvwiwU nZv
Zvnj Avcwb wVKB covkvbv KiZb| Avmj KvR bv Kivi Rb
AbK ARynvZ AvQ| wK KvR Kivi Rb GKUv ARynvZB
h_Avwg KvRUv Kiev|
ck : Avwg GKRb Qv| Avwg Avgvi gvgvi mv_ _vwK| m evsKvi I
eemv i Kie| m AvgvK w`q Zvi KvR Kwiq bq| wewbgq
Kvbv ^xKwZ I iZ `q bv| Avwg wUDkwb Kwi, ZvZ Lye fvjvfve
PjZ cvwi| ZvB fvweAb Kviv mv_ wMq _vKev| m AvgvK ay
Zvi ^v_ eenvi Ki| Zvi gbgZv DVZ nq, LZ nq, PjZ nq|
m ej, KvqvUvg hv ej Zv Rvwb Ges cvqB `wL Avwg hv Kwi m
Zvi wecixZ Ki I Pj| wK hLb ^v_ _vK, ZLb Zvlvgv` Ki|
Avgvi covi evcvi Drmvn `q, wK mgq `q bv|
Di : Avcbvi gvgvi evcvi Avcbvi AwfhvM AvQ, wK ck _K
gb nQ Zvi cwZ Avcbvi `yejZvI AvQ| Avi GKwU evcvi njv
hw` Zvi mv_ _vKb Zvnj Zvi K_vgZvB PjZ ne| wK Avcwb
hnZz ejQb h, wUDkwb Kib Ges ZvZ Lye fvjvfve PjZ
cvib Zvnj Avi Zvi mv_ _vKvi cqvRbUv Kx? ^vej^x nvb,
wbRK wQq wbb| myhvM _vKj Avjv`v _vKvi eev Kib| Zvnj
nqZv Avcbvi Avi GB vf I K _vKe bv|
152

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

cvwicvwkK cwZKjZv
ck : Avgvi covkvbvi LiP PvjvZ AvgvK KvR KiZ nq| wK KvR
KiZ AvgvK AbK mgq eq KiZ nq| dj covkvbvi wZ nQ|
wK KvRUv ev` w`j covjLvI e _vKQ| G Aevq Kx Kiev?
Di : Avmj Avgv`i mgmv njv Avgiv Lye AZB ah nvwiq
dwj| A_P hviv eo nqQb, Gi Pq AbK eo eo cwZKjZvi
gyLI Zviv wQjb cv-GKwUf| meii mv_ bxie ay KvR KiB
MQb| Awi nb wb, bv-kvKi nb wb| mgqi cwigvq ZvivB
mdj nqQb|
Agi myimv eUvfbi K_v aib| 1770 mvj RvgvwbZ Rb|
wkeqm _KB g`c Avi e`gRvRx evevi AZvPvii wkKvi
nqQb| msMxZ RbMZ cwZfv wbq RbQ h Qj ZvK
weqevjK wnme Dcvcb Ki A_ DcvRbi Rb wcqvbv-ev`K
evev Qv eUvfbi Ici PvjvZb kLvbvi AZvPvi| GKUz eo
nZB eySjb `vwqZvbnxb evevi KvQ _K gv Avi QvU `ywU fvBqi
AwffveKZUv ZvKB wbZ ne| GRb AbK myhvMI nvZQvov
KiQb| msMxZ DPZi cwkYi Rb Awqvi hyeivR c` ew
wbq wfqbvq MjI gv `yB mvni gv_vq wdi Avmb gvqi
AmyZvi K_v b| Aw`b ciB Aek gv gviv hvb| Gw`K fvB`yUvK iL eUvfbiI Avi hvIqv njv bv|
G mewKQyi ga w`qB PjwQjv myimwi KvR| wK eUvfbi
Rxeb mePq eo UvRwWi m~Pbv nq hLb gv 26 eQi eqm wZwb
nvivZ i Kib Zvi keYkw| Rxebi kl 15wU eQi wZwb
cyivcywi ewai wQjb| fvev hvqGKRb gvbyl Kx AmvaviY me msMxZ
mw Ki PjQb, A_P wbR bQb bv wKQyB! Zvi Agi mw bvBb_&
wmgdvwbi c_g c`kbxi w`b evRbv kl ggy `kK hLb wKQyYi
Rb nq wMqwQjv ZLb eUvfb `Ljb KD nvZZvwj w`Q
bv| gb Kijb, kvZviv eva nq Zvi evRbv cQ` Ki wb| WyKi
Ku` DVjb wZwb|
evRvbvi mgq eUvfb jvnvi GKUv j^v iW Kvgo _vKZb hvi
ce 2 \ mvdj

153

AviK gv_v jvMvbv _vKZv wcqvbvi mvDevW| jvnvi iWi ga

w`q evRbvi Kb wbRi Pvqvj Abyfe Ki wZwb wbqY KiZb
myii ewPK|
wbRK wKQyYi Rb eUvfbi RvqMvq ewmq Kbv Kib|
Kwiqv Av`vq bv Ki Avcwb cvieb bv| ZLb Avi GB QvULvUv
welqjvK wKQyB gb ne bv| AvcbvK Zv wUDkwb Ki LiP
hvMvZ nq| Zv-I Kej wbRi LiP| wK Ggb QvI AvQ hvK
w`bgRyii KvR Ki wbRi covi LiP Zv eUB, msmvii LiPI
hvMvZ nqQ, ZviciI Zviv G-c-vm cqQ|
Zgwb GKRb w`bgRyi nvmvb| KzwoMvgi GB wkv_x 2009 mvj
GmGmwmZ G-c-vm cqQ| wK nKvi evevi DcvRb msmvi bv Pjvq
covi mgq Kwgq ZvK wbZ nqQ w`bgRyii KvR| w`bfi avbKvUv,
wbovwbi KvR Ki ivZ h GKUz wbwiwewj coe m Rv bB, KviY
Kivwmb Kbvi cqmv bB| dj w`bi Avjvq hZUzKz cviZv mUzKyB
coZv| GKUvgv Ni Mv`vMvw` Ki _vKZ nZv ej MvqvjNi
eov w`q _vKZv m|
Avcbvi Aev wbqB GB nvmvbi Pq fvjv| AZGe Kwiqv
Av`vq Kib Ges Gi ga w`qB fvjv Kivi D`vM wbb|
ck : Avgvi evwoZ gngvb _vK memgq ZvB covkvbvq weN nq|
jvBewiZ hq covi Dcvq bB, evwoZ Kvjvnj _vK, evev _vK|
G welq wKQz ejvi mvnm AvR ch nq wb| Avwg GLb Kx KiZ cvwi?
Di : cwiek-cwiwwZ bq, gvbyl c_g ni hvq Zvi gbi KvQ|
Avi cwZKjZv AvcbvK Movi cqvRbB| KviY mgmv-evavi gyL bv
coj Avcbvi AMZ kw RM IVvi c_ cve bv| GUvB mdj
nIqvi cwqv|
mdj nZ nj ZvBevmvq covi cwiek bB, nvj wmU
mgmv, Avw_K Uvbvcvob, wUDkwb KiZ fvjv jvM bv, cvBfU
wekwe`vjq cwo, fvjv mveR Pv cvB wb, wUPvi fvjv bv ev
Drmvn `qvi KD bBG RvZxq ARynvZ bv w`q cwZwUKB MnY
Kib Pvj wnme, fyj _K kLvi myhvM wnme|
154

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Avmj cwZKjZv AbK mgq Mvavi gMRI Lyj `q| G wbq

GKwU gRvi M AvQ
KlKi eyov MvavwU cv dmK co Mj evwoi cvki gR hvIqv
Kzqvq| coB Ryo w`jv Zvi^i wPrKvi| w`bivZ ay ev-ev
wPrKvi| KlKi Nyg nvivg nq Mj| evwoZ jvKRb _vKZ cviQ
bv, Qj-gqiv coZ cviQ bv, cwZekxiv kvwZ KvR KiZ
cviQ bv|
gnvwei nq KlK wmv wbjv KzqvUv eywRq dje| GZ eyov
MvavUv gie| RvqMvUvI KvR jvMe| wK GZ gvwU Kv_vq cve?
klgk cwZekx`i kiYvcb njv|
evwo evwo wMq ejjvhvi hZ gqjv-AveRbv AvQ me hb Szwo
fi wbq Avm Zvi evwoi KzqvZ djvi Rb| mevB gnv Drmvn
evwoi AvbvP-KvbvP hZ AveRbv AvQ me Gb avgvq fi djZ
jvMjv Kzqvq|
c_g wKQyY Mvav eySjvB bv Kx NUZ PjQ| weqi Nvi
KvUZB m eySjvmevB wgj ZvK gqjvPvcv w`Z PvBQ| m-I
`gevi cv bv| eyw wVK Ki djjv| GKK MvgjvfwZ gqjv co
Avi Mvav wcV SuvwKq gqjvUzKz So Zvi Ici DV `uvovq| GB Ki
Ki GKmgq KzqvwU hLb cvq fi Mj GKjvd Mvav ewiq Gjv
evBi| h gqjv djv nwQjv ZvK Kei `qvi Rb m gqjvKB
m eenvi Kijv gywi Aej^b wnme|
ZvB cwZKjZvK BwZevPKfve wbb| eyw kvwYZ ne| Avcwb nq
DVeb kwgvb| fveyb gyxMi kvnxb wgqvi K_v| hvi gv
weqevwoZ gmjv eU, _vjvevmb ayq msmvi Pvjvb| weqevwoi DwQ
Lvevi RyUj Lywkgb wbq Avmb evwoZ wZb mvbK LvIqvevi
Avkvq| _vKb fvov Kiv GKUv Qv Us Ni| Ni GKwU PwK I
GKwU Uwej cvZv| gSZ gv-evev Avi PwKZ wZb fvB-evb
RovRwo Ki Nygvq| UwejUvZ Iiv cvjv Ki jLvcov Ki| Nii
fvov w`Z nq gvm 700 UvKv| GZ cwZKjZvi gaI kvnxb
jLvcov Pvwjq MQ| Kvm GBU UvjUcyj ew cqQ| wRwcG-5
cqQ GmGmwmZ| GLb ^c `LQ DPwkv wbq Aviv GwMq
hvevi| wbtm`n Avcbvi Aev kvnxb wgqvi Pq fvjv|
ce 2 \ mvdj

155

Bswjk wgwWqvg
ck : Avgvi evbK Avwg gv-evevi BQvi wei Rvi Ki Bswjk
wgwWqvg w`qwQ| KviY m cieZxZ AvBweG, eyqU, XvKv
wekwe`vjq covi myweav ne| m gv c- Mc coQ| Avwg wK fyj
KiwQ? GLb wK IK evsjv wgwWqvg Uvdvi Kiev?
Di : mvbK Bswjk wgwWqvg covbvi A_nxb cwZhvwMZvq B`vbxs
Avgv`i mgvRi gawe cwievijvI hfve kvwgj nqQ ZviB
GKwU D`vniY Avcbvi NUbvwU|
GKUv mgq wQjv hLb AXj A_wei AwaKvix DPwe mgvRi
gvbyl gb KiZv `k Kvbv wkveev bB, bB Kvbv fwelr|
`k covUvK G`i Qj-gqiv Lye AcgvbRbK gb KiZv|
Zv`i Pvwn`vZB Mo DVjv Bswjk wgwWqvg bvgi GK LvcQvov
wkveev| hLvb GKwU wk Zvi gvZfvlv wVKgZv ejZ kLvi
AvMB coZ wkLQ BsiwR ivBg, gyL KiQ eUbi BwZnvm|
wK cwinvm njv, AwZ DP eZbi Gme AwfRvZ zj cvwVq
mvbK KvqvwjwU GWyKkb w`Z cviQb ej ^wi wbtkvm djvi
AvMB GB AwffveKiv Ui cZ i Kijb Gi welduvovi hYv|
cvvZ wkvi cvkvcvwk cvvZ mswZi Lvjvgjv AvPiYI
Af nq DVjv GB be wkveevq `xwZ bZzb cRb| KvqvwjwU
GWyKkb Avq KiZ cviK bv cviK, WvM m Avi AwkvPvii
cvvZwkv wbZ Zv`i GKUzI `wi nq wb|
Avi GLb GB cwZhvwMZvq kvwgj nqQ Avgv`i mgvRi be
awbK kYx`ybxwZ I Aea DcvRbi gvag hviv Mo ZzjQ wekvj
m`i cvnvo| mvbK Bswjk wgwWqvg covbvUv Zv`i dzUvwbiB
GKUv Ask| Qj-gqiv BsiwRZ K_v ejQ, DM cvkvK ciQ,
Mvjd-eqd wbq NyiQZv`i KvQ RvZ IVvi GUvB gvcKvwV|
GB mvbiv bv nQ Bswjk, bv nQ evOvwj| gvSLvb _K evswjk
KvjPvi Af GK wev cRb| Ges eveZv nQ eyqU ev XvKv
wekwe`vjq ev miKvwi gwWKj G`i KRb Pv cvq? AwaKvsk
evsjv wgwWqvgi QvQvx`i mv_ cwZhvwMZvq Giv Zv
156

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

`uvovZB cvi bv| G`i fimv nq we`k, bqZv `k evOi QvZvi

gZv MwRq IVv wKQy cvBfU BDwbfvwmwU| KvRB Bswjk wgwWqvgi
QvQvxiv evsjv wgwWqvgi QvQvx`i Pq ewk Rvb GB aviYv hviv
cvlY Kib Zviv AvnvKi ^M evm KiQb|
Avi Bswjk wgwWqvg covbvi mePq wZKi cfve Avgv`i
mgvRi gawe kYxi ga coZ i KiQ| KviY GB Qjgqiv bv cvie Zv`i DPwe mncvVx`i jvBdvBj Af nZ,
bv cvie Bswjk wgwWqvg fvjv iRv KiZ, bv cvie `k
DPwkvi myhvM wbZ| gvSLvb _K nxbbZvq Avv nq wbRi
hZUzKz mvebv wQjv mUvKI b Ki dje|
Ze Avgiv wK BsiwRi wei bv, Avgiv BsiwRi c| KviY
BsiwR hw` Avcwb Avq KiZ bv cvib, Ze chywZ AMmi nZ
cvieb bv| fwelZ KvR Kiv Avcbvi Rb Lye gykwKj ne| GRb
mePq fvjv nq BsiwR fvmb (RvZxq KvwiKzjvg) Avq Kiv|
KvRB G cvcUjv gv_vq iLB hw` Avcwb Avcbvi evbi
evcvi wmv bb, mUvB h_v_ ne|
ck : Bswjk wgwWqvg zjjvZ wkvi Pq Awe`vB kLvQ|
mgvR Gi Lvivc cfve j Kiv hvQ| GLb Bswjk wgwWqvg zji
QvQvx`i mvaviY zj covbvi eev wK Mo DVQ? G Aevq
Kxfve mgmv Govbv hvq?
Di : Avgiv Pvwn`v mw KiwQ ejB evOi QvZvi gZv Bswjk
wgwWqvg zjjv Mo DVQ| GKUv m~gZ ay XvKv kniB G aibi
Bswjk wgwWqvg zji msLv GLb mvZ nvRvi| Gjv zj bq,
eemvK`| GLb AwjMwjZ hZ Bswjk wgwWqvg zj AvQ Gjv
gvbi w`K _K AZ wbgvbi|
fvjv iRvi Rb Bswjk zji Kvbv cqvRb bB| QjgqK Bswjk zj cwoq h cwigvY A_ mgq Ges kg `b mUv hw`
mvaviY zj cwoq w`Zb Zvnj Gi Pq fvjv iRv nZv| fvjv
djvdji Rb zj Kvbv kZ bq|
GLb Mvgi Qj-gqiv GmGmwm cixvq wRwcG-5 cvQ|
ce 2 \ mvdj

157

Zv`i Nwo wQjv bv, m~h `L mgq wVK KiQ| cixvi wdm w`qQ
Rwg eK iL| A_vr `wfw cwieZb KiZ ne| ZvnjB
Z_vKw_Z Bswjk wgwWqvg zji `ivZ Kge|
ck : Avgvi evPviv Bswjk wgwWqvg zj co| Avwg wK Bswjk
wgwWqvg zj ev` w`q I`i evsjv wgwWqvg covev?
Di : G evcvi wi-GKwUf nIqvi cqvRb bB| Bswjk wgwWqvgi
hme Lvivc ceYZvi K_v ejjvg mUv h mevi gaB AvQ, Zv
bq| Avevi evsjv wgwWqvgi Qj-gq`i gaI h Gme mgmv bB
Zv-I bq| Avmj evcvi nQ evPv Kx KiQ, Kv`i mv_ wgkQ Zv
Lqvj ivLv|
Ze `k hw` gvvm ch covZ Pvb Zvnj Bswjk wgwWqvg
bv covbvUvB eis ewk jvfRbK| `k covZ nj I-jfj,
G-jfji Kvbv `iKvi bB| Avi I-jfj cwoq Kvbv QjgqK we`k cvVvbv DwPZ bq, gvvm cov Qvov| 90% B
Zv`i DPwkv nq bv| memgq eZgvb Aevi cwZ weK Kx
Kieb Zv wPv Kieb| Bswjk wgwWqvg bq, Bswjk fvmb bvkbvj
KvwiKzjvgi wkv Avq KivB Avgv`i Rb fvjv|
ck : Bswjk wgwWqvg _K G-jfj KiwQ, wekwe`vjq fwZ nIqv
KwVb| cvBfU Kvbv wekwe`vjq coev bvwK we`k Pj hvev?
Di : Bswjk wgwWqvg covK wK Avgiv `vli wKQy gb Kwi bv|
Avgiv hUv ewj h, Bswjk KvjPvi hb AvcbvK k bv Ki|
BsiwR fvlvi Avgv`i GLbv cqvRb AvQ, Bswjk KvjPvi-Gi
Avgv`i Kvbv cqvRb bB| Avi G eqm evBi hvIqvUv Aviv
SuywKc~Y| KvRB cvBfU BDwbfvwmwUi ga covkvbvi gvb AvmjB
hLvb fvjv, LuvRLei wbq mLvb fwZ nZ Pv Kib| Avi
G-jfj _K h miKvwi wekwe`vjq fwZ nIqv hvq bv Zv bv, fwZ
nIqv MQ| nqZv KwVb, wK ZvZ Kx? KwVb KvR Kivi RbB Zv
KvqvUvg MvRyqU|
158

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

ck : Avgv`i `k wewfb wkveevi cPjb iqQ| B`vbxs wKQy

zj-KjR Bswjk wgwWqvgi cvkvcvwk `kxq KvwiKzjvg Bswjk
fvmb Pvjy nqQ| GLb evsjv gvag Ges Bswjk gvag G `ywUi ga
KvbwU ewk Dchy?
Di : GLb BsiwR gvag h `kxq KvwiKzjvg Pvjy iqQ GUv
fvjv| KviY GLb cw_exZ PjZ nj BsiwRZ Avcbvi `Zv
cqvRb Ges Avcbvi mvbK BsiwRZ ` KiZ ne| evsjv
Avgv`i gvZfvlv| evsjv Avgiv AekB Rvbev, evsjv eenvi Kiev,
wK BsiwR fvlvq `Zv ARb KiZ ne| ZvB `kxq KvwiKzjvg
BsiwR fvmbUv ewk KvhKix ej Avgiv gb Kwi|

wkK`i ck
ck : Avwg XvKvi GKwU cwiwPZ KjRi GKvDwUsqi jKPvivi, wKQy
BUvibvj KviY KjR cvqB Kvm nq bv| njI DcwwZ fvjv _vK
bv| dj BQv _vKv mI wkK wnme wbRi gav I hvMZvi
weKvk NUvZ cviwQ bv; Qv`iI wKQy w`Z cviwQ bv, wbRI wKQy
wkLZ cviwQ bv| Ggb me AhvM gZvai jvKjv Icii cv
em AvQ hv`i Gme K_v ejjI jvf nq bv| ZvQvov Avwg GKwU
cvBfU BDwbfvwmwUZ weweG-i Kvm bB| mLvbI `Lv hvq, hme
wUPvi ewk covq ev Av`k-mZZvi K_v ej Hme wUPvii Kvm Qviv
Kg cQ` Ki| dj ckvmb Zv`i evcvi AvMn Kg `Lvq| GiKg
cwiwwZZ wbRi weeKi KvQ QvU nq cowQ| Kxfve wbRK
GKRb Av`k wkK wnme cwZwZ KiZ cvwi?
Di : Avmj eveZvUvK Avgv`i gb wbZ ne| GK b^i nQ,
GLb Avgv`i `k cvBfU BDwbfvwmwUi bvg h wkveev PjQ
AwaKvsk B mLvb wkv nQ GKUv cY| Avi G cYi Zv
nQ Gme RvqMvq fwZ nIqv QvQvxiv (hviv mvaviYZ miKvwi wkv
cwZvbjvZ gavi cwZhvwMZvq DxY nZ cvi wb)| Avi Kvbv
cYi KbvePv hgb wbfi Ki Zvi cQ`i Ici, Zgwb GB
ce 2 \ mvdj

159

cvBfU BDwbfvwmwUjvI cwiPvwjZ nq Gi QvQvx`i fvjvjvMvg`jvMvi wfwZ| ^vfvweKfveB GLvb hviv coveb Zv`i
g~jvqbUvI ne GB gvcKvwVZB| Zv`i PvKwi wbfi Kie Qv`i
ivswKsqi Ici, Bfvjyqkbi Ici| Qviv ZvK KZUzKz cQ`
KiQ, ewk b^i w`q ev Kg cwoq wZwb KZUv Zv`i wcqfvRb
nZ cviQb BZvw`i Ici| GUvB eveZv|
KviY cvBfU BDwbfvwmwUjvi KvQ Zv`i KvwU UvKv
wewbqvMi wiUvbUv iZc~Y, Qv`i vvW bq| Kvbvfve 3.5
cvBq w`Z cvijB Zviv Lye Lywk| Avi wKQy ewZg Qvov GLvb
coqv QvQvx`i AwffveK`i KvQI mvb KZUv vbvRb Kijv ev
bxwZ-bwZKZvq `xwZ njv Zvi Pq wWwMUv iZc~Y, fvjv MwWsUv
iZc~Y| fvjv wmwRwcG cjB Zviv Lywk|
AZGe cvBfU BDwbfvwmwUZ Mj H cwiwwZi mv_ gvwbq
PjjB Qviv Avcbvi f ne| Avi Avcwb hw` wKQy KiZ Pvb,
mZZv-bwZKZv wbq PjZ Pvb, Zvnj AvcbvK k~b _K i KiZ
ne| K KiZ ne| wbRB GKUv BbwwUDU Mo ZyjZ ne| K
ne, wK GKUv mgq Avme hLb Avcwb Zw cveb|
ck : Avwg Bswjk wgwWqvg zji wkK| hw`I Avwg QvQvx`i
Avgvi gav, `Zv Ges mev mevgfve `qvi Pv KiwQ, wK
G`i AvjvwKZ gvbyl wnme Mo Zvjv Ame| Zvnj wkK
wnme Avgvi f~wgKv Kgb nIqv DwPZ?
Di : G`iK AvjvwKZ gvbyl wnme Mo Zvjv AmeAvgiv GB
Ame KvRUvKB me KiZ PvB| bexRx (m) ejQb, cwZwU gvbyl
cKwZi ag RbMnY Ki| A_vr cwZwU gvbyl RbMZfveB fvjvZi
cKwZ wbq Avm| cwiek-cwiwwZ ev Awe`vi cfve m AmrAbwZK nq|
Avgiv gb KwiGKRb gvbyl hKvbv mgq fvjv nZ cvi|
Zvi fvjv Yjv AbK wbP Pvcv co _vKZ cvi| wK mUvKB
hw` Avgiv GKUz nvZ eywjq `B Zvnj Zvi gaI fvjv gvbyl RM
DVZ cvi|
160

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

G wbq GKwU mZ NUbv AvQ| 12/13 eQi eqmx GK wKkvi|

`yevi mdjfve evsK WvKvwZ Kivi ci ZZxqevi m aiv cojv| Gi
ga m wZbUv LybI KiQ| wKkviK mskvab K` wbq Avmv
njv| mLvbKvi `vwqZ wQjb D`vigb GKRb dv`vi| c_g hw`b
wKkviwUi mv_ `Lv KiZ Mjb dv`vi, m Lye DZ fwZ em
wQjv| nvZ wQjv wmMviU| dv`vi Zvi mvgb Gm emZB wKkvi
gyLfwZ auvqv Qo w`jv Zvi gyLi Ici|
dv`vi wKQyB ejjb bv| eis Zvi nvZcvq ewo jvMvbv
wQjvmUv Lyj w`Z ejjb| Gici _K cwZw`bB dv`vi
wKkviwUi mv_ K_v ejZ Avmb| wK bv ZvK w`q wKQy ejvbv
hvq, bv Zvi mv_ Kvbv K_v ejv hvq| fvjv wKQy ejZ MjB
wKkviwU Lye iM DV ejZv, AvgvK Gme ej Kvbv jvf bB|
GmeB Avwg Rvwb| wK dv`vi wei nb bv| eis Aviv ah ai Zvi
mv_ K_v ejb, Zvi JZjv mn Kib|
ek wKQyw`b KU Mj Gfve| Av Av QjwUi JZ hb
wKQyUv Kg Gjv| GKw`b dv`vi ejjb, Zzwg wK jLvcov wkLe?
Avgvi gb nq Zzwg jLvcovq Lye fvjv KiZ cvie| KviY Zzwg Lye
fvjv Qv|
GB c_gevii gZv wKkviwU gyL Lyjjv| ejjv, dv`vi, Avwg Zv
AvcbvK kv KiZ i KiwQjvg| wK mB AvcwbI wg_v K_v
ejQb Avgvi m? Avwg jLvcov wkwL wb| QvUejvq GKevi zj
fwZ nqwQjvg| wK cvk KiZ cvwi wb ej mB zj _KI AvgvK
ei Ki `qv nqwQjv| mB AvgvKB wK bv Avcwb ejQb fvjv
Qv! GUv wg_vevw`Zv Qvov Avi Kx?
dv`vi ejjb, Zzwg AekB fvjv Qv| KviY Zzwg Zvgvi
wkK`i K_vK memgq Ai Ai cvjb KiQv| wK Zvgvi
wkKiv Lvivc wQjv| Zviv KD wQjv Pvi, KD nvBRvKvi, KD
Lybx| Zviv ZvgvK hv hv ejQ Zzwg Zv-B KiQv| Zv bv nj Zzwg
wZbUv Lyb KiZ cviZ bv, `yevi mdjfve evsK WvKvwZ KiZ
cviZ bv| GLb Zzwg hw` wkK cwieZb Ki, fvjv wkKi KvQ
hvI Zvnj Zvgvi RxebI e`j hve|
b wKkvii PvL w`q GB c_gevi cvwb Mwoq cojv| m
ce 2 \ mvdj

161

dv`viK Zvi wkK wnme MnY Kijv| cieZxZ m-I GKRb

aghvRK cwiYZ nqwQjv|
A_vr gvbyli cwieZb h KLb Avme, Kxfve Avme KD ejZ
cvi bv| Avi gvbylK wePvii `vwqZ mv Kvbv ewK `b wb| mv
gvbylK AvjvwKZ Kivi Pv KiZ ejQb| ne wK ne bvGUv
mvi nvZ| wkK wnme Avgv`i KvR nQ ZvK AvjvwKZ Kivi
Pv Kiv| Avcwb Avcbvi vb, eyw w`q Pv Kieb|
Avmj hviv WwUs ev H aibi AwiZvi ga wj Zv`i Rxeb
kvw _vKj nqZv Zviv Gme RovZv bv| gv-evevi nqZv AbK
UvKv AvQ| wK ZvK `qvi gZv mgq Zv`i bB| mvbi cQb
Kuvwo Kuvwo LiP KiB Zviv `vwqZ cvjb KiQb ej gb Kib| dj
GZ we-efei ga _vKZ _vKZ mvbivI nq DVQ DQLj
Avi `ywebxZ| Awe`v Avi AbwZKZvq Mv fvwmq w`Q|
mBmv_ GLbKvi wgwWqv, Zv`i cvwicvwkKZv mewKQy _KB m
wkLQGB AbvPvi KivUvB vUbmi cZxK| KvRB Rxeb h AbK
eo, AbK gnvb, AbK wKQy Kivi AvQmUv Zvi mvgb bB| GB
vb, GB we`vi Avjvq AvjvwKZ Kivi KvRUvB AvcbvK KiZ
ne| Avcbvi f~wgKv ne GKRb fvjv wkKi|

Rxebi gWj
ck : Rxeb gWj ev AbymiYxq ewi wK Avmj Kvbv iZ AvQ?
gWj ejZ Zv Avgiv icvjx c`vi mwjewU`iB eywS| Avgiv Zv
GgwbZB Zv`i f| Ab gWji Avi cqvRb Kx?
Di : Avcwb h gWj ev Rxebv`kK wbevPb Kieb, Avcbvi RxebUv
Zvi gZvB ne| GB hgb gvBKj RvKmb| ZviKvi gZv Dj
Ges QvBqi gZv wbtkl| mePq eo vigMvvi wQjb| wK
cZb nZ KZY?
Zvi AvBKb wQjv Gjwfm wcmwj| Gjwfm wcmwji Rxeb `Lyb
42 eQi eqm gviv hvb| KviY, Zvi gv gviv wMqwQjb 42 eQi
eqm| wZwb gb KiZb h, wZwbI 42 eQi eqm gviv hveb| dj
162

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

eb bMwUf cvMvg nq Mj| Kxfve gviv wMqwQjb wZwb?

gv`Kvm Aevq| Zv hvi AvBKb Gjwfm wcmwj Zvi cwiYwZUv Kx
ne? gvBKj RvKmb 50 eQi eqm gviv Mjb| nqZv AvU eQi
ewk euP wQjb| wK MZ 10 eQi Zvi Zgb Kvbv KgKv wQjv
bv| cwiYwZUv KZ KiY!
Zvi kvgjv PnvivB Zv KZ M-vgvivm wQjv| mUvK c-vwK
mvRvwii ci mvRvwi Kb? Gjwfm wcmwj dmv wQjb, ZvKI dmv nZ
ne| KviY H h, AvBKb|
GB h hv`iK wbq ZiY-ZiYxiv jvdvjvwd Ki, bvqK-bvwqKv
nvK ev gWjG`i KvDKB wK kv Kiv hvq? KviY hvK Kbv hvq
m nQ GKUv cvWv| ZvK KD KLbv kv Ki bv| Zvi Rxeb
Kvbv kvw _vK bv| wKQzw`b AvM GgwUwfi GK NvwlKvbvwdmv
myBmvBW Kijv| gqiv AbKB bvwdmv nIqvi Kbv KiQ| AbK
Qj feQ h, Avgvi Kbvi bvix nQ bvwdmvbvwdmvK hw` weq
Kiv hZ! eve Kx Rxeb Zv`i? Zv`i Rxeb Kvbv kvw bB|
Avevi fvjv cvWv nZ njI Kx KiZ ne? mLvbI cwikg
Qvov Kvbv Dcvq bB| bvwqKv`i h Kx cwigvY K KiZ nq! Zviv
h Kx cwigvY bv Lq _vK! Lvevi `L, wK LZ cvi bv| GgbwK
jywKqI bv| KviY wbRK hZw`b wdU ivLZ cvie ZZw`b cqmv
AvQ| wdUbm bvB, cqmv bvB| KLbv KLbv wbRi gvqi KvQI m
cvWv! AZGe gv-I ZvK Lvevi `q bv| GK`g LuvPvi cvwLK
hiKg Ki Lvevi `qv nq Zv`i RxebI Zv-B| c`vq Lye nvmZ
nvmZ Avm wK c`vi evBi Zv`i Rxeb nQ mvaviYfve `ytLi|
GBZv KqKw`b AvM MvwqKv BUwb wnDbi gZ`n cvIqv Mj
ev_Uvegv`Kvmwi cwiYwZ|
Avi GB cvWv hw` Avgv`i gWj nq, Avgiv Kx Kiev? AvgivI
cvWv icvwiZ nev Ges Zv`i gZv AkvwZ fyMev|
ZvB AvcbvK wPv KiZ ne h, Avcwb cvWv neb, bv ewZg
neb| UK djv Kieb, bv U-mUvi neb? KviY Rxeb
GKUvB| hv wKQz Kivi G RxebB KiZ ne| ZvB GUv cvIqvi Rb
UK djv Kij ne bv| A_vr cPwjZ avivq Pjj ne bv|
AvcbvK ewZg nZ ne| U-mUvi nZ ne|
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eZgvb Awe`v Avv mgvR U-mUvi nZ nj AvcbvK

gavex ` fvjv gvbyl nZ ne| AvjvwKZ gvbyl nZ ne| Avi
AvjvwKZ gvbyl nZ nj AvjvwKZ gvbylKB gWj ev AbymiYxq
ewZ wnme MnY KiZ ne| hLb Avcwb AvjvwKZ eiY gvbylK
gWj wnme MnY Kieb, AePZbfveB Zvi fvjv w`Kjv
AvcbvK Dy Kie, AbycvwYZ Kie| mnR ^ZtZZvq Avcwb
cwiZ Rxebi c_ GwMq hveb|

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KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Kvwiqvi

ce 2 \ mvdj

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166

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PvKwi bv ^vaxb ckv

ck : ^vaxb ckvq hvIqv evKvwg bv Zv? Kvwiqvi wnme Kx MnY
Kiv DwPZPvKwi bv ^vaxb ckv? Avgiv Zv KivwbwMwiZ Af|
Avgv`i viv wK wk ev eemvq fvjv Kiv me?
Di : ^vaxb cwZwU ckvwk eemv KwlmewKQyZB fvjv Kiv
me| gyby wmivwgKm wek wmivwgKmi wZb b^i cwZvb|
Avgv`i MvgUm wk GLb e`wkK Avqi g~j Drm| cw_exi mePq
NbemwZc~Y `k nIqvi ciI Avgiv Lv` ^qsm~Y| AvR _K 400
eQi AvM Avgv`i c~ecyiliv cavbZ wZbwU ckvq wbqvwRZ
wQjbeemv, wk Ges Kwl| KwlZ Zv`i gav GZ weKwkZ
nqwQjv h, 350 cRvwZi avb Drcv`b KiZb Zviv| hZ aibi
myMw gkjv AvQ meB Zviv Drcv`b KiZb| wk Zviv gavK GZ
weKwkZ KiwQjb h, gmwjbi gZv m~ Kvco Zwi KiZb|
UUvBj UKbvjwRi mevrK wb`kb GB gmwjb| AvR ch Zzjv
_K Gi Pq wgwn Kvco Zwi Kiv me nq wb| cw_exi mePq `xN
Auvki Zzjv Drcvw`Z nZv hkvi I ei` GjvKvq|
Avgv`i mI`vMiiv mvZ mgy` Ziv b`x cvwo w`Zb| PMvg
RvnvR Zwi nZv| PMvg h envi nvU iqQ mwU wQjv eni`vi
A_vr benii `vi ev cavbi RvqMv| Avgv`i KvwiMiiv RvnvR
evbvZb| mB RvnvR Zviv Rvfv, mygvv, gvjxc, wmsnj cfwZ vb
hZb| evwjZ ivgvqYi bvUK Awfbq Zv`i mswZi Ask cwiYZ
nqQ| KviY Zv`i c~ecyiliv GB evsjv _K wMqwQjb| evsjvi
exi weRq wmsn wmsnji cb Kib, wmsnj bvg Zvi bvgvbymviB|
gahyM fvBwKs`i mv_ bhy GB evsjv _K RvnvR wMqwQjv|
mgy`hvv Avgv`i mswZi GZ AweQ` A wQjv h, Puv`
mI`vMii Kvwnbxi gZv jvKmvwnZ mw nqwQjv|
djkwZZ mmgq Avgv`i GB Dcgnv`ki wRwWwc wQjv weki
wRwWwci 22-23%| Avi ZLb Bsjvi wRwWwc wQjv wek wRwWwci
GK kZvsk gv| gywk`vev` wQjv jbi PqI eo kni| jvnvii
Awaevmxi msLv wQjv 20 j| wK JcwbewkK kvmbvgj _K
ce 2 \ mvdj

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Avgv`i ckv msv avbaviYv cwiewZZ nZ i Kijv| Avgv`i

ga aviYv mw njv h, eywewK Ges mRbkxj KvRjv Kivi
Kvbv gZvB Avgv`i bB| Avgv`i Aev `uvovjv LuvPvq Ave
cvwLi gZv| GwUwcwbDivj wwiU (entrepreneurial spirit) nvwiq
Avgiv wbR`iK aygv PvKwiRxex A_vr PvKi fveZB ^vQ`eva
KiZ i Kijvg| hLvb Avgv`i mI`vMiiv mvZ mgy` Ziv b`x
cvwo w`Zv, mLvb mw njv Kvjvcvwbi aviYv A_vr mgy` hvv hw`
KD Ki Zv Zvi RvZ Pj hve, RvZPzZ ne| dj Kvjg Avgiv
cwiwPZ njvg `ywfcxwoZ, ebv KewjZ, Riv-evwa RRwiZ GKwU
Rbc` wnme|
^vaxb ckvq hvIqv wbq Avcbvi h nZvkv, h wevwKvwiqvi
msv G nZvkv I weiZvi g~j iqQ Avgv`i `wfwMZ Aeq|
hZ Avgiv c~ecyil`i mB mvnmx PZbvK, mB D`vM I D`gK
RvMZ KiZ cviev, ZZ Avgv`i gavK Aveviv kZavivq weKwkZ
KiZ cviev| wbRi Abb gavK mevq icvii gvag wbRB
MoZ cviev cwiZwgq KgRxeb|
ck : PvKwii cwieZ ^vaxb ckv ejZ Kx evSvq?
Di : ^vaxb ckv nQ mB ckv hLvb Avcwb wbRB D`vv|
Avcbvi wbRi D`gi Ici wbfi Kie Avcbvi cwiwPwZ Avq mvb
mewKQy| hgbewRxex`i ^vaxb ckv, KbmvjUU`i ^vaxb ckv,
AvBb ckvq hviv AvQb Zv`i ^vaxb ckv, Wvvihviv wbRiv
cvKwUm KibZv`iI ^vaxb ckv|
ck : KgRxeb PvKwi, ^vaxb ew ev eemvi ga KvbwU eQ bev?
Di : hLvb mrfve KvR Kivi myhvM AvQ Ges Abi DcKvi
Kivi myhvM AvQGiKg hKvbv eemv ev PvKwi Avcwb KiZ
cvib| AvcbvK wPv KiZ ne h, Kvb KvRUv Avcwb fvjv cvib,
Kvb KvR ewk Avb` cvb, Kvb KvR wbRi `Zv I gavK
mevq icvwiZ KiZ cvib| mUv LuyR ei KiZ ne Ges mUvZ
GK b^i cuQZ ne|
168

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

`wfw nehw` RyZv mjvB fvjv cvwi, Avgvi RyZv mjvB `L

hb mevB ej Ggbfve mjvB Kiv nqQ h, GUv mjvB bv Avmj
evSvB hvQ bv| GKvDbUU nj miv GKvDbUU, AvBwU
kvwj nj miv AvBwU kvwj, wkK nj miv wkK,
Bwwbqvi nj miv Bwwbqvi nZ ne| hw` ivv cwivii KvR
Kib, miv Svo`vi nZ ne| ivvi Kvb `vM Kxfve Zvjv hvq Zv
RvbZ ne| Avcwb Svo `qvi ci hvZ Kvbv gqjv bv _vK|
Gici Avcwb h KvRUv Rvbb mB KvRi hviv fvv, gvb hv`i
GB KvRUv cqvRb Zv`i mv_ mivmwi hvMvhvM KiZ ne Ges
Zv`i KvQ GUv cgvY KiZ ne, GB KvR Avcbvi Pq fvjv Avi
KD bB| Gfve Avgiv cZK wbR wbR Abb gavi wfwZ ckv
mw KiZ cvwi| wbRi gavK weKvk Kivi mePq PgrKvi myhvM
_vK ^vaxb ckvq|
ck : PvKwii Pq ^vaxb ckvi cwZ Avcwb ewk iZ w`qQb|
A_P Ggb AbK AvQb hviv ay mvbi Rb PvKwi KiZ Pvb|
G KvbwU Kiv DwPZ ej ai bev?
Di : m Zv PvKwii Pq ^vaxb ckv Aviv ewk mvbi|
Avmj GwU BsiR`i cewZZ wkveevi Kzdj| BsiRiv hLb G
wkveev Avgv`i `k Pvjy Ki, Zv`i g~j j wQjv GKwU
Kivwb kYx Zwi Kiv hviv kvmb mnvqZv Kie| BsiR`i Zzjbvq
G`iK cqmv Kg w`Z ne Ges wPvPZbvq Giv BsiR`i `vm
wnme KvR Kie| ZLbKvi w`b GbUv cvk Ki WcywU Kvji ev
mve-iwRvi Awdm Kivwbi PvKwi ev RR KvU ckKvii PvKwi
Avkcvki jvK`i KvQ Lye mvbi wQjv| Avi MvRyqkb wbq
mve-iwRvi nZ cvij mUv wQjv wekvj evcvi| ZLb Gwc-KkbI
jLv nZv Gfve h, BIi gv IwewWqU mveR A_vr Avcbvi
AZ evaMZ cRv|
Avgv`i g~j mgmv njv, Avgiv wK H PZbv wbqB eo nq
DVwQ| Avgiv GLbv PvKi nIqvUvKB GKgv mvbi welq gb
Kwi| Avgiv PvBKD eje, ZLb Avwg Zvi KvR Ki `ev Ges
ce 2 \ mvdj

169

hZUzKz eje ZZUzKz Kiev| Avgiv wbRiv D`vMx nq KiZ PvB bv|
Avi GB gvbwmKZvi KviY Avgiv RvwZMZfve wcwQq cowQ|
GKRb gvbyl Zvi gav I AvMni wfwZ Ges mevi gbvfve wbq
PvKwi ev ^vaxb ckvhKvbvwU eQ wbZ cvi, GwU `vli wKQy
bq| wK GK_v mwZ h, ^vaxb ckvq hnZy mew`K wbRK Lqvj
ivLZ nq ZvB gav kZavivq weKwkZ nIqvi myhvM cvq, weklZ
bZZ ev eevcKxq Yvewj Mo IV, PvKwiZ hv me bv|
Avevi PvKwi hw` GKRb gvbyli wgkbi Ask nq Zvnj m
PvKwiI KiZ cvi| hgb, GKRbi wgkb nZ cvi MelYv| wZwb
GKwU wbw` welq MelYv KiZ Pvb, ZLb GKUv MelYv cwZvb
PvKwi Zvi wgkb ne| Avevi GKRb Wvvii hw` wPwKrmv ckvi cwZ
mvb I wekZv _vK, wZwb hw` ivMxK mev Kivi `wfw wbq
KvR Kib Ze GUvB Zvi wgkb|
GKRb wkK hw` gb KibQvQvx`iK vbi Avjvq
AvjvwKZ KivUvB Avgvi j, ZLb GUv Avi PvKwi _vKQ bv| GUv
Zvi wgkb cwiYZ nq hvQ| ZLb Zvi Avjv`v GKUv Zw _vKe,
DcvRbI ne| wK Avcwb hw` ay DcvRbi Rb KvR Kib, Ze
GUv wgkb ne bv| GUv KvR ne|
ck : Avgvi UvMU PvKwi Kiv| G Aevq Kx Ki mRbkxj wKQy GKUv
KiZ cvwi? GKUv MvBWjvBb Avgv`i `eb `qv Ki|
Di : G evcvi Ab KD Kvbv MvBWjvBb w`Z cvie bv| GB
Avb wbRi ga mw KiZ nq, GUv evBi _K Kiv hvq bv| hLb
fZi Avb _vKe Ges kKj fvOvi ci Kx Kieb mUv hLb wbRi
KvQ cwivi _vKe, ZLb Avcwb Mvjvwgi wRwi Abvqvm fO
djZ cvieb|
ck : Avwg eyqU _K KwDUvi mvq G Bwwbqvwis cvk Ki
GLb GKwU gvevBj KvvwbZ PvKwi KiwQ| GB hvMZv wbq Avwg
Kx aibi ^vaxb ckvq hZ cvwi? ^vaxbfve Kx KvR KiZ cvwi
hvZ mgvR I `k DcKZ ne Avi Avgvi wkvI KvR jvMe?
170

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Di : Avcbvi Pq AbK Kg hvMZv wbq e gvbyl ^vaxb ckvq

wbqvwRZ AvQ| eis ejv hZ cvi wbR^ eemv ev cwZvb hviv
MoQb Zv`i AwaKvskB Lye Kg cvwZvwbK hvMZv wbq i
KiwQjb| Avgv`i `k ^vaxb ckvq j j gvbyl AvQ hviv
nqZv wbRi bvg ^vi Qvov Avi wKQy KiZ cvi bv| Avi Avcwb Zv
GKRb Bwwbqvi| Avcbvi h hvMZv iqQ Zv w`qB ^vaxb ckvq
hvIqv hZ cvi| wK mUv wbRKB LyuR ei KiZ ne h, Avwg
Kx KiZ cvwi, Avwg Avgvi GB hvMZvK Kxfve KvR jvMvZ cvwi|
GUv cZKUv gvbyli wbRiB LyuR ei Kivi welq|

mwVK Kvwiqvi
ck : gavi weKvki Rb mwVK Kvwiqvi AvwQ evSvi Dcvq Kx?
Di : h KvRUv Avcwb KiQb mUv wbq hLb Avcwb Z, Avcwb hLb
Abyfe Kib h, Avcwb Avcbvi gavK KvR jvMvZ cviQb Ges
KvRUv gvbyli Rb KjvYKi| kvlKi c bq, kvwlZi c
Avcwb KvR KiZ cviQb ZLb evSv hve h, Avcwb Avcbvi gavK
KvR jvMvQb| GB KvR hw` Avcwb Avw_K w`K _K ZZ jvfevb
bv-I nb, A_vr Ab KvR Avw_K w`K w`q Aviv jvfevb nIqvi
myhvM _vKvi ciI hLb Avcwb GB KvRi Avb` Abyfe Kieb ZLb
evSv hve Avcwb Avcbvi gavK wVK c_ weKwkZ KiQb|
ck : gvbyli Kvb YK ev Kx aibi KvRK gav wnme aiv nq?
GKRb hw` fvjv Qv/ Qvx bv nq _vK Ges `kZ Zgb Kvbv
welq ` bv nq _vK, m Kxfve wbRi gavK kbv Kie?
Di : gav Kv_vq AvQ GUv AvcbvKB LyuR ei KiZ ne| hgb,
Avgv`i KvqvUvg jvei Abvivwi cwiPvjK cdmi Wv. BDbym|
QvUejvq Zvi cwievi ZvK gv`vmvq fwZ Kwiq w`jv| wK wZwb
wmv wbjb h, wZwb gv`vmvq coeb bv| cvwjq Mjb| ek `~ii
AviK _vbv kni wMq `Lv njv GK wkKi m| wZwb `LB
ce 2 \ mvdj

171

eySjb Zvi Aev, zj fwZ Kwiq w`jb| jwRsqi eev Ki

w`jb| i njv Zvi zjRxeb| AvBG cixvq gavZvwjKvq mK
njb| fwZ njb GgweweGm| mLvbI Abvm wbq dvKvm| `ki
evBiI covkvbv KiZ Mjb jviwkc wbq| GLb `ki GKRb
KZx iivM wekl| A_vr Avcbvi gav kbv KiZ ne
AvcbvKB| Avcbvi gv-evev-fvB-evb PvBj ne bv|

Kvwiqvi Ges KvRi Zw

ck : KgRxeb mePq iZc~Y gb nq Kgmw| ay UvKvi Rb
KvR KiZ PvB bv Zv m PvKwi ev eemv hv-B nvK| KvR KiZ PvB
gbi Avb`| hv Kivi ci gb ne, nuv, KvR KiwQ| wmvnxbZvB
eo mgmv|
Di : Avmj KvR bv Kiv ch evSv hve bvgbi Avb` KiQb,
bv gbi `ytL KiQb| AvM KvR KiZ ne| wmv MnY `xNm~wZv
Kieb bv| wmvnxbZv hZ _vKe, ZZ mgq b ne Ges GKUv mgq
`Lv hve h, wKQyB KiQb bv| AZGe wmv wbZ wbZ eqm cvi
Ki `eb bv| mgq _vKZ wmv beb|
ck : Avwg wUwfZ msev` cvVK wnme Ave`b KiwQjvg| wK
Avkvbyic cvwU cvB wb| wewfb Lei fqm w`wQ| G Aevq Avwg
Kx KiZ cvwi? Avwg nZ PvB wbDR cRUvi, evwbqQ wbDR
Kvvi| Avgvi KiYxq Rvbveb|
Di : wbRK fvMevb gb Kib h, AZ i Kivi GKwU RvqMv
cqQb| `Lv hve h, GB Kvws KiZ KiZB cRUvi nq
hveb| GKRb KvqvUvg MvRyqU `uvovbvi RvqMv cj emvi RvqMv
Ki be, emvi RvqMv cj m bvkZv-cvwbi eev Ki be|
Zvici LvIqvi eev Kie Ges kvIqvi RvqMv Ki be| GUvB
GKRb KvqvUvg MvRyqUi wwiU nIqv DwPZ|
Avi Avcwb GUv Abvqvm cvieb| ay KvRUvK fvjevmeb|
172

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

KvRK QvU gb Kieb bv| hZ gbvhvM w`q, hZ fvjem Avcwb

KvR Kieb mB KvR AvcbvK ZZ mvb `e, ZZ LvwZ `e, ZZ
A_ `e| hw` SvoI `b, mUv fvjvfve `eb| mB KvR
AvcbvK mvwbZ Kie| Avi hw` gbi fZi vf wbq, Amvl
wbq KvR Kib, Avcwb GZ cvieb bv| Avcbvi nZvkv `~i ne bv|
Qv NUbv ewjAvwg ZLb GjRvi| Avgvi GK KvqU AvmZb
jyw ci GKUv kvU Mvq| jywUvI fvjv bv| kvUi fZi MwZ
wQ` wQ` gvb Gqvi KwkbW| Avgvi KvQ whwbB Avmb wZwbB Zv
Avgvi KvqU| Avwg emZ ejjI wZwb Lye msKvP KiZb Ges
`uvwoqB _vKZb| PnvivmyiZ GiKg h, Ab hKvbv Awdm Mj
ZvK UzjI emZ `qvi K_v bv|
wZwb fywmi eemv KiZb| GKevi BgvgM Zvi Mw`Z hvevi
myhvM njv| `wL GKUv PwKi Ici cvwU weQvbv| Zvi Ici
Kvkev| wZwb em AvQb mLvb| AvgvK `LB GKevi jvd
w`q DVjb| Zvi aviYv wQjv bv h, Avwg KLbv hvev| Gi ga
`wL Zvi KvQ GK jvK Gm ejjv h, 20 jvL UvKv jvMe| GB
fywmi eemvqx ZvK wRvmv Kijb h, 20 jvL UvKv m wKm
be50 UvKvi bvU, 100 UvKvi bvU bv 500 UvKvi bvU? GUv
30 eQi AvMi K_v|
Avwg wewZ nq Mjvg h, GB gvbylUv bM` 20 jvL UvKv 50
UvKvi bvU w`Z cvi, 100 UvKvi bvU w`Z cvi, 500 UvKvi
bvUI w`Z cvi| A_vr Kx cwigvY bM` A_ Zvi iqQ! me
DcvRbB Zvi fywmi eemv _K| KviY m GB fywm Lye fvjevmZv|
AZGe h KvR Avcwb Kieb m KvRK fvjevmZ ne| Zvnj KvR
AvcbvK cwZ`vb `e|
AwaKvsk gvbyli PvKwi Rxeb GZ nZvkv Kb? KviY m gb
Ki, h KvRUv m KiQ GUv Kvbv KvRB bv| AviKRb hUv KiQ
mUv KvR| KvRi cwZ Zvi ggZv _vK bv, fvjevmv _vK bv| dj
AMMwZI nq bv| AZGe Avcwb hv KiQb m KvRUvK fvjevmeb|
AvcbvK KD AvUKvZ cvie bv| hgb, GB wbDR Kvvi wnme
KvR KivUv Avcbvi Rb Avb`i nZv hw` Avcwb GB `wfw jvjb
KiZb Ges mUvB Lyj w`Zv Avcbvi cRUvi nevi ^Yvi|
ce 2 \ mvdj

173

ck : Avwg KvqvUvg MvRyqU| KqK eQi ai Avgvi PvKwii Lye

mgmv nQ| Lye cwikg Kwi, Pv Kwi wK fvjv PvKwi cvwQ bv|
QvULvUv hv cvB Zv-I ewkw`b wUK _vK bv|
Di : PvKwi wUK _vK bv KviY Avcwb gb KiQb QvULvUv PvKwi|
gb Amvl wbq KvR KiQb| Amvl wbq hv Kiv nq mLvb
KLbv Kvbv eiKZ _vK bv| PvKwiK QvU gb Kieb bv| hLb h
KvR Kieb mUvKB Lye eo KvR gb Kieb| A_vr fZi A^w
wbq, AcQ` ev vf wbq Kieb bv| hv Kieb Avbw`Z wP
Kieb| Avcbvi PvKwi hve bv eis PvKwiZ gk DbwZ ne|
`Leb h, Gi Pq Aviv fvjv PvKwi Avcwb cvQb|

cvwZvwbK wkv Ges Kvwiqvi

ck : Avgvi gv Ges evev `yRbB Wvvi| Zviv Pvb AvwgI Wvvwi
cwo| wK Avgvi cQ` AvwKUKPvi| ckv evQvBqi `wfw Avmj
Kx nIqv DwPZ?
Di : ckv evQvBqi g~j `wfw njv gav Ges AvMn| Zv bv nj
ckvq DbwZi Rb KvRi cwZ h fvjevmv cqvRb Zv KLbvB
Rbve bv, gavi weKvkI wZwb KiZ cvieb bv| ckv wbevPb wbq
Avgv`i AbK AwffveK ev gv-evevi GKwU aviYv nQ, mvbiv
wcZvi ckvKB Zvi wbRi ckv wnme eQ be| hgb, GKmgq
ijIqZ hviv PvKwi KiZb Zv`i `wfwB wQjv h, QjKI
ijIqZ Zvi wWcvUgU XyKZ ne| GKRb jvqvi wWwfkb KvKi
Qj hw` Avcvi wWwfkb KvK Ges Zvici KvbviKg QvULvUv
Awdmvi nZ cvi ZvZB Zviv m| A_vr cwiwPZ Mwi evBi
hvIqvi AwbqZvK Zviv GovZ PvBZb|
A_P cwiwPZ Mwi evBi bv Mj KLbv eo nIqv hvq bv| e
fvOv hvq bv| hgb G wc R Avyj Kvjvgi evev wQjb Lqv bKvi
gvwS| wZwb hw` gb KiZb h, Avgvi evev gvwS, AvwgI bKv
evBev, Zvnj wK wZwb iKUwevbx nZ cviZb? ivcwZ nZ
174

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

cviZb? cviZb bv| ZvK wRm Kiv nqwQjv Avbi Wvbv

(Wings of Fire) eBwU Avcwb Kb wjLjb? wZwb ejjb h, wbRK
cKvk Kivi Rb bv, G eBwU Avwg wjLwQ ay GUyKz ejvi Rb h,
Lye mvaviY gvbyl, wbeYi GKRb gvbylI hw` Zvi gavK weKwkZ
KiZ Pvq, m Zv cvi| m mdj nZ cvi| ZvB memgq wbR gav I
AvMni wfwZ ckv wbevPb Kiv DwPZ|
ck : Avcwb ejQb cvkbK AMvwaKvi w`q cdkb wbaviY Kij
fvjv Ges mdj nIqv hvq| wK Avgv`i AwffveK`i viv Avgv`i
cdkb wbavwiZ nq| AbK mgq wbRi cQ`i welq kl ch
Kvwiqvi nq bv| Avgiv Kxfve G _K gyw cZ cvwi?
Di : hLb gvbweK gnvmgvR mw ne, ZLb Avcwb ^Zt~ZfveB
GB myhvM cveb| wK hZY ch mvgvwRK cwieZb mB i bv
hvQ, ZZw`b ch wbRi AMZ kwK weKwkZ Ki wbRi wmv
wbR wbZ ne| AwffveK`i evSvbvi Pv KiZ ne|
AwaKvsk B wmv bqvi AvM AwffveK`i evSvbv KwVb|
Zviv evSb wmv bqvi ci Ges ek ci| hgb, Avgv`i
AwaKvsk AMvwbqviB dvDkb hvM `qvi AvM gv-evevK evSvZ
ev ivwR KivZ cvib wb| wK cieZxZ hLb mB AwffveKi Kvbv
cwiwPZ ev AvvfvRb ewi KvQ AMvwbqvii KvRi cksmv bQb
ZLb wZwb eySZ ciQb| AZGe cvkbK AMvwaKvi w`Z nj
wbRi wekvm I AMZ kwK weKwkZ KiZ ne|
ck : Avwg GKRb eemvqx, cvkvcvwk GKwU AvBb KjR cowQ| `yUv
GKmv_ KiZ K nQ| wK cwievii cvq me `vwqZ AvgvK cvjb
KiZ nq| hvi Rb eemvUv Pvwjq hZ nQ, Gw`K covkvbv
KiZI BQv nq| Kx Kiev?
Di : AvBb KjR co Avcwb Kx Kieb mUv AvcbvK AvM wVK
KiZ ne| hnZz Avcwb BZvgaB eemvq wbqvwRZ AvQb, hw`
Avcwb GKRb eemvqx wnme Kvwiqvi MoZ Pvb Zvnj AvBb
ce 2 \ mvdj

175

KjR covUv A_nxb| Zvi Pq eemvq gbvhvMx nvb, GLvbB

mdjZv cveb|
Avgv`i ZiY-ZiYxiv DPwkvi Rb QvUb aygv wWwM
hvMvoi Pvq hvi m Kvwiqvii Kvbv mK _vK bv| AbK
QvQvx AvQb hviv wekwe`vjq fwZ nb Ggb me welq wbq Abvm
covi Rb hv eveRxeb Kvbv KvR jvM bv| BsiR kvlKiv
Zv`i mnhvMx Kivwb kYx Zwii Rb DkcYvw`Zfve Ggb
wkveev Mo ZzjwQjv|
hgb, `kb wKsev Bmjvgi BwZnvmcuvP/ Qq eQi ai covi Kx
AvQ G welqjvZ? meB Zv 100/ 200 ev nvRvi eQii cyibv
w_Iwii evLv-wek-lY| bv GUv `kb ev BwZnvmi AvaywbKvqb, bv
eveRxeb Gi Kvbv cqvM AvQ| dj Lye fvjv iRv Ki hviv
nqZv wekwe`vjqi H wWcvUgUB wkKZv Kivi myhvM cvQb,
Zviv Qvov AwaKvski cB GB vb w`q RxweKv ARb Kiv me nq
bv| dj wZwb nZvkvq fvMb| KvRB Avcwb hw` c_g kYxi
QvQvx bv nb ev mwZKvii vbwccvmy bv nb, Zvnj eis chyw wbq
cob hv KvR jvMe A_ev GLbB Kvwiqvi MVb gb w`b|
ck : Avwg jLvcovq ewk AMmi nZ cvwi wb, GBPGmwm ch
cowQ| ZvB eZgvb evRvi PvKwi cvIqvi gZv mvwUwdKU Avgvi
bvB| ZvQvov PvKwii evcvi Avwg c_g _KB AvMnx wQjvg bv Ges
Avgv`i wkveevB AvgvK jLvcovq Drmvn hvMvZ cvi wb|
GLb mv hnZz cw_exZ ciY KiQb Ges wKQyw`b AvgvK GLvb
_vKvi myhvM w`Qb, mnZz GB _vKvKvjxb mgq Rxebhvcbi
cqvRbxq DcKiY msMn KiZ ne|
Di : Avmj RxweKv ev mvdji Rb cvwZvwbK wkv wKQy evowZ
myweav wbq Avm wbtm`n| fvjv wWwM _vKj Avcwb Rxebi
cwZhvwMZvq GKavc GwMq _vKeb| A_vr Avcwb `oUv i Kieb
mvgb _K| Kvbv KviY cvwZvwbK wWwM bv _vKj mUv mvdji
evav, wK AjNbxq evav gvUB bq| GKavc cQb _K i
KiI Avcwb `yB avc GwMq hZ cvib, KviY cw_ex AbK eo|
176

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

eis wWwM bv _vKvUvI Kvbv Kvbv fvjv| KviY ZLb

GKRb gvbylK cyivcywi Zvi gav I kgi Ici wbfi KiZ nq|
KD hLb Zvi wbRi kgi Ici Avv vcb Ki, wKQy bv _vKvi
ciI m DV hvq| hgb wkcwZ j e| j UUvBj Ges j
e RyU wgji gvwjK wQjb| Wgivq wekvj KviLvbv| KvwU KvwU
UvKvi eemv| wK wZwb PK KvUZb wUcmB w`q| AvwKR Mc Ae
BvwRi cwZvZv AvwKR wgqv Rxeb i KiwQjb wewo kwgK
wnme| Pzs Ry RysKvwiqvi `vB Kcvikbi gvwjKZviI Kvbv
cvwZvwbK wkv wQjv bv|
AZGe, memgq gb ivLeb, KvbvwKQyB Rxeb c_g nIqvi c_
AjNbxq evav bq, ay GKUv Pvj gv| GB evavUvK hw` Avcwb
Pvj wnme wbZ cvib, cQb _K i KiI `o Avcwb
mevBK cQb dj GwMq hZ cvib|
ck : hw` GKvWwgK wWwM Kg _vK Ges hUzKz _vK mUvI fvjv bv
nq Ges H KviY QvULvUv Kvbv PvKwi KiZvnj H ewi Ici
IVvi Avcbvi civgk Kx?
Di : KD hw` wbR Ici DVZ bv Pvq, Kvbvw`b Ici DVZ
cvie bv| Avgv`i GK MvRyqU BsiwRZ Abvm Ki GKwU cwZvb
AbK eZbi PvKwi KiQb| m cwZvbi gvwjK Kvm UbI cvk
KiZ cvib wb| A_P weweG, GgweG, wmG-iv KvR KiQb Zvi
Aaxb| ZvK wewfb RvqMvq hZ nq| Avgv`i mB MvRyqU Zvi
eZvi cqUm Zwi Ki `b| GiKg evK evi`i cwZvb dU
evi`i KvR Kivi AbK D`vniY AvQ| A_vr Avcwb hw` fZii
YK weKwkZ Kib, Zvnj cQb _KI GwMq hZ cvieb| KD
AvcbvK AvUKvZ cvie bv| wK Avcbvi mB AvMn _vKZ ne|
fZi mB Avb _vKZ ne h, Avwg G Aev gvbZ PvB bv| Avwg
KivwbwMwi Kiev bv, Avwg fvjv wKQy KievZvnjB Avcwb cvieb|
ck : Avwg ivRkvnx BDwbfvwmwU _K Bswjk Abvm KiwQ, mvgb
gvvm| wK fvjv Kvvwb I eo PvKwii A_vr Re gvKU
ce 2 \ mvdj

177

ivRkvnx BDwbfvwmwUi mvwUwdKU ewkifvM BUviwfDqi

AvMB evwZj Kiv nq| Avwg Rvwb, Avwg hvM| wK Avgiv Zv
cwZhvwMZv KiviB myhvM cvwQ bv| ZvQvov Avgv`i mveR dv
Kvm cvIqv weij evcvi| Gw`K Re gvKUi Rb Abvm-gvvmi
hKvbv GKwUZ dv Kvm cvIqv cqvRb| hw`I cvBfU
BDwbfvwmwUZ dv Kvm cvIqv mnR| wK Avgvi Avw_K mxgveZv
AvQ| GLb fvjv eZbi PvKwi cZ PvBj Avgvi Kx Kiv DwPZ?
ivRkvnx wekwe`vjq gvvm Ki GKUv eQi b bv Ki UvKv Rwgq
GK eQi ci wK cvBfU BDwbfvwmwUZ fwZ nev, bv Kx Kiev?
Di : GLvb g~j mgmv njv AwiZv| ivRkvnx BDwbfvwmwU _K
cvk Ki fvjv PvKwi cvIqv hve bvGgb aviYv wVK bq| cPzi
QvQvx AvQb hviv ivRkvnx BDwbfvwmwU _K cvk Ki fvjv eZb
ev c`ghv`vi PvKwi KiQb|
Avi dv Kvm cvIqvUv wbfi Ki wbRi cwZi Ici| cwZ hw`
fvjv nq dv Kvm bv cvIqvi Kvbv KviY bB| ivRkvnx
BDwbfvwmwUZ dv Kvm cvIqv weij NUbvAvcwb mB weij NUbvUv
Kb NUvZ cvieb bv? hw` Avcwb gb Kib h, Avcbvi hvMZv
iqQ, Zvnj mfveB AvcbvK cwZ wbZ ne| hvZ ivRkvnx
BDwbfvwmwU _KB Avcwb dv Kvm cvb| Aviv GK eQi ci UvKv
Rwgq Zvici gvvm Kivi Pq hUv GLbB Kiv hvq mUvB fvjv|
ck : Avwg GKRb wWc-vgv Bwwbqvi| welq KwgKj Bwwbqvwis|
GLb Avwg Aviv covkvbv KiZ PvwQ| wK Bwwbqvwisq bq,
WfjcgU vwWR welq| Avgvi aviYvmgvRi Rb, `ki Rb
wKQy KiZ nj Bwwbqvwis welqUv h_ bq Ges WfjcgU vwWR
welqUv cvid| GB aviYv wK mwVK? RvbZ PvB|
Di : mgvRi Dbqbi Rb WfjcgU vwWR cqvRbGUv
GKeviB v aviYv| mgvRi Dbqbi Rb Dbqbi AvKvv I
wbqZB h_| WfjcgU vwWR wbq Avcbvi coZ hvIqvUv
GKeviB AcqvRbxq| eis hnZz Avcwb wWc-vgv Bwwbqvi, Avcbvi
178

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

weGmwm Bwwbqvi nIqv DwPZ| GZ mgvRi I `ki Dbqbi Rb

wKQy Kivi myhvM Aviv eo hve|
ck : Avwg h welqi Ici jLvcov KiwQ mUv Avgvi wcq welq Ges
gRvI cvwQ| wK ckvi Pvwn`v _vKjI GLvb gvbylK mev
c`vbi mvebv bB| Avgvi gb nq G KvRwU Avwg `Zvi mv_
KiZ cviev| wK mev fvebvI AvgvK ZvwoZ Ki| G Kx
KiZ cvwi?
Di : welqUv Avcbvi wcq, gRvI jvMQ, ckvi Pvwn`vI AvQ|
Zvi gvb GUv GKUv fvjv welq| gvbylK mev Kiv gvb ay GKRbi
nvZ-cv gyQ `qv bv| GKRbK ai wbq ivv cvi Ki `qv bv|
hKvbv welq Avcwb hw` ` nZ cvib Ze mB welqi ga w`q
Avcwb mev w`Z cvib| GUvB Avcbvi Rb Dg| Avi evwK KvRi
Rb Zv dvDkb iqQB| Avcwb Avcbvi ckvq _vKzb Avi evwK
mgqUv dvDkb w`b|
ck : Avgvi mveR GKvDwUsq mev `qvi myhvM mK Avwg wVK
wbwZ bB|
Di : Kb mev `qvi myhvM _vKe bv? GKUv cwZvbi
GKvDUmK ^Q ivLvi Pq mB cwZvbi Rb eo mev Avi wKQy
nq bv| m eemvwqK cwZvb nvK ev Ab hKvbv cwZvb nvK|
GKvDUm nQ hKvbv cwZvbi gi`| GUv hw` wVK _vK, m
cwZvb KLbv wZM ne bv| m cwZvb Icii w`K DVeB|
AZGe Avcbvi wbwZ bv nIqvi Kvbv KviY bB|

miKvwi PvKwi
ck : Avgv`i gb eg~j aviYv nqQ h, miKvwi PvKwii wbwZ
fwelr AvQPvKwi hve bv mnR| Abw`K emiKvwi PvKwiZ Gme
SuywK ewk| G wPvUvI cdkb wbaviY mgmv mw KiQ|
ce 2 \ mvdj

179

Di : GUv Avgv`i ZiY`i GKUv gwjK mgmv| wbqZvi GB

aviYv GmQ BsiR`i KvQ _K h, GKevi miKvwi PvKwiZ XyKj
cbkb ch _vKe| wK eveZv nQ, h PvKwiZ wbqZv AvQ,
cbkb cvIqv hvqm PvKwii eZb KLbvB ewk nq bv| Zvnj
evowZ eZbi Rb Kx KiZ ne? `ybxwZ KiZ ne| `ybxwZ hw`
Avcwb Kib Zvnj Avw_K wbqZv ejZ hUv Avgiv eywS mUv Avcwb
cvebnqZv evwo KiZ cvieb, Mvwo KiZ cvieb, evsK-evj
KiZ cvieb wK gvbwmK wbqZv _vKe bv| Kbbv gvbwmK
wbivcv mw nq mZZv _K| Avi gvbwmK AwiZv hw` _vK Zvnj
Mvwo-evwo KLbv wbqZv w`Z cvi bv| ZvQvov RxebUvB hLvb
AwbwZ mLvb PvKwiZ wbqZv LuvRv wK evKvwg bq?
ck : PvKwi Kivi wmv wbqwQ| Avwg msMxZ fvjevwm| ZvB Kvbv
Pvbj PvKwi bqv Avgvi Rb myweavRbK| wK miKvwi PvKwiZ
wbivcv AbK ewk| G Avwg KvbUv MnY KiZ cviev?
Di : RxebiB Zv Kvbv wbivcv bB| Ni _K ewiq Avevi Ni
wdi AvmZ cvieG evcvi wK KD wbwZ? AZGe miKvwi
PvKwiZ wbqZv AvQ GB fvebv A_nxb| evsjv`k miKvwi PvKwi
KqUv? Gi evBi hviv iqQ Zv`i wK Rxeb bB? Avcwb hw` gavK
KvR jvMvb, Bbkvj-vn Avcbvi Kvbv Afve _vKe bv|
Avcwb hnZz msMxZ fvjevmb, GB B Avcbvi gavK
weKwkZ Kib| Avmj h KvRUv Avcwb cQ` Kib, h KvRUvK
fvjevmb, mUvK Rxeb gb Kib| ZvnjB `Leb Rxeb AvcbvK
cwZ`vb `e| gav hgb weKwkZ ne, Zgwb Kvbvw`K _KB
Avcbvi Kvbv Afve _vKe bv|
ck : AbK gb Kib miKvwi PvKwiZ AvBWwUwU AvQ| Avgv`i
wK Zvnj miKvwi PvKwiZ hvIqv DwPZ?
Di : Avmj cwiPq bv `qv ch A_ev Zvi KvQ hZY bv Avgv`i
hZ nq ZZY ch KRb miKvwi PvKwiRxexK Avgiv wPwb? Avi
180

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

miKvwi PvKwiZ nqZv AvBWwUwU AvQ, wK mwZKvii mvb, kv

KZLvwb AvQ? mvaviYfve GKRb cywjk ev Uv Awdmvii K_v
bj Avcbvi mvgb Kx fm IV?
Avmj mwZKvii cwiPq memgq Zwi nq mevi gvag| cwiPq
mw nq `Zvq, cwikg| hKvbv ckvq hw` Avcwb AvwiK nb, m
ckv-B AvcbvK A_ cwiPq LvwZ me `e|
dvqvi mvwfmi GKRb DviKgx Aveyj Lvqi| Zvi KvR nQ
AwMKv, b-`yNUbv ev Ab hKvbv `yNUbvj _K gvbyl ev
wRwbmc Dvi Kiv| wK G KvR KiB wZwb AvRvwZK LvwZ
cqQb| mvZ ev MfxiZvi KviY we`k cwkYcv bevwnbxi
Wyeyixiv hLvb Wye w`Z mvnm cvq wb mLvb `gKj evwnbxi GKRb
mvaviY Wyeyix nq wZwb Wye w`qQb| wiWvm WvBR ZvK wbq
wbe Qvcv nqQ| wewewm-Z Zvi mvvrKvi cPvwiZ nqQ| Aveyj
Lvqi wK Zvi ckvMZ cwiwPwZ mw Kib wb? mvb-LvwZ cvb wb?
cqQb| KviY Zvi KvRK wZwb fvjevmb|
gvgv cuqvRyi gvgv wKsev nvRxi wewiqvwbi nvRxZviv wK miKvwi
PvKwi KiQb? wK ZvZ Ki wK Zv`i cwiwPwZZ Kvbv Amyweav
nqQ? AZGe hKvbv ckvq Avcwb cwiPq mw KiZ cvib hw`
Avcwb hvMZv ARb Kib Ges gavK mevq icvwiZ Kib|
ck : eZgvb Avwg ^vqkvwmZ cwZvb ckvmwbK KgKZv c` PvKwi
Kwi| memgq nZvkvq fywM KviY Avgv`i mgvR GB KvR mvbRbK
bq| mvgvwRK g~jvqb KZUzKz `iKvi?
Di : mvgvwRK g~jvqbK iZ w`Z nj Zv mevBKB Wvvi,
Bwwbqvi A_ev eRvwZK Kvvwbi GwwKDwUf nZ ne Ges cPzi
DcvRb KiZ ne| wK eRvwZK Kvvwb KqwU, cPyi DcvRb Kib
GiKg WvviB ev KZRb AvQb? evwKiv Zvnj Kx Kieb?
Avmj mvb mK Avgv`i aviYvUvB fyj| mvb wbavwiZ nIqv
DwPZ bwZKZvi wfwZ, wK AvRKvj Avgiv mvb wbaviY Kwi
DcvRbi wfwZ| h KviY wKQyw`b AvMI hLvb wewmGm
cixv_x`i j _vKZv dib mvwfm ev GWwgwbkb KvWvi
ce 2 \ mvdj

181

cek Kiv, mLvb AvRKvj AbKiB cQ`i ZvwjKvi kxl _vKQ

Kvgm wKsev BbKvg Uv| KviY mLvb Dcwii myhvM ewk| AvM
mnR KD cywjk hZ PvBZv bv, GLb cywjk mvRU nIqvi RbI
jwes KiZ nq| Kb? KviY ILvbI g~j welq njv A_|
mZ nQ, RxweKvi Rb hKvbv wKQy KiZ cvib, hw` mUv mr
nq, AvwiK nq Ges DcvRb hv KiQb mUv cwikgj nq| mr
AvwiK cwikgj DcvRb hLvb iqQ mUvK KLbv QvU gb
Kieb bv, KvwqK kg njI bv|
cwZwU KvR mvbRbK| Avi mvb memgq wbfi Ki Avcwb
Avcbvi ckvUvK mvb Kib wK bv Zvi Ici| Avcwb hw` Avcbvi
ckvK mvb Kib, Abiv mvb Kie| Avcwb hw` Avcbvi ckvK
mvb bv Kib, Abiv mvb Kie bv|
ck : Avcwb evi evi ejb KvR Avi KvR KiZ, gv_vi Nvg cvq
dj KvR KiZ| wK KvRi Kvbv Zwi nQ bv| hyemgvR
nZvkvM, KZw`b KvRi myhvM Zwi ne?
Di : gv_vi Nvg Zv mevB cvq dj| Avgiv Zv gv_vi Nvg cvq
djZ ewj bv| Avgiv ewj, cvqi Nvg gv_vq DwVq KvR KiZ|
KviY gv_vi Nvg cvq djZ Kvbv cwikg jvM bv evsjv`k|
Migi w`b GgwbB gv_vi Nvg cvq co| Avgiv ewj h, cvqi Nvg
gv_vq ZzjZ ne, Zvnj GUv cwikg| Avi KvRi myhvM KD KvDK
Zwi Ki `q bv| GiKg AvnvK KD bB|
hgb, GKRb hLb GKUv dvwi Ki ZLb m wK KvRi myhvM
Zwi Ki, bv Avcbvi kgK KvR jvwMq gybvdvi wPv Ki? Avmj
KvRi myhvM KD Zwi Ki `q bv| GUv Zwi Ki wbZ nq|
KvRi Kvbv Afve bB| KvR Kivi gvbwmKZvi Afve AvQ|
Avgiv KvR ejZ PvKwi eywS| Zv-I miKvwi PvKwi| Avi fvwmwU _K
eivjB Zv wewmGm KvWvi| KviY ILvb Kvbv KvR bB| GKUv
KvR KZfve bv nZ cvi, GB dvBjUv Kvb Kvb KviY Qvov hve
bvAwaKvsk Zviv GUvB ejb| Kx Kij dvBjUv Qvov hve ev
Kxfve KvRUv nZ cvi Zv mvaviYZ mnR ejb bv|
182

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

G wbq gRvi M AvQ|

cvwKvb Avgji K_v| AvBqye Lvbi mgq wKvi wQjb PMvgi
dRjyj Kv`i Payix| j^v PIov my`kb gvbyl wQjb| ZLbKvi w`b
cwmWU we`k Mj wKvi nZb fvicv cwmWU| GLb h
PMvg wekwe`vjq, GUv Kzwgj-vq nIqvi K_v wQjv| cyiv cvMvg wVK|
Gi ga AvBqye Lvb Pj Mjb we`k mdi| wKvi nq Mjb
fvicv cwmWU| Dwb mwPeK WvKjb h, GUv Avwg PMvg
Uvdvi KiZ PvB| GUv Kxfve Kiv hve?
mwPe ejjb, bv, GUv Zv GB GB KviY Kiv hve bv| Dwb ejjb
h, Avwg G evcvi Kx KiZ cviev? mwPe ejjb h, G evcvi
Avcwb wKQyB KiZ cvieb bv| fvicv cwmWU ejjb, Avwg
ZvgvK wWmwgm KiZ cviev wK bv? Dwb ejjb h, wR mvi, GUv
cvieb| Avcwb hnZz fvicv cwmWU, Avcwb GUv KiZ cvieb|
ZLb dRjyj Kv`i Payix ejjb, Zvnj Avwg KvbUv Kiev?
mwPe ZLb ejjb, wVK AvQ mvi, Avwg `LwQ| dvBj iwW nq
Mj| fvicv cwmWU ^vi Kijb, dvBj cvm nq Mj| AvBqye
Lvb Gm `Lb h, Kzwgj-vi wekwe`vjq PMvg Uvdvi nq MQ|
GUv Avgv`i `yfvM h, hv`i mePq ewk KvR Kivi myhvM Zviv
mePq Kg KvR Kib| Avgv`i cwievi hviv miKvwi KgKZv AvQb
Zviv Pv Kieb h, GKRb gvbyli hZUv DcKvi Kiv hvq| Kx
KviY GUv ne bv mUv bv, eis Kx Kij GUv ne mUv ejeb|
Ze Avcwb eAvBwb Kvbv KvR Kieb bv, AvBbi ga Kieb|
wK ZvK `wLq `eb h, Kxfve Kij GB KvRUv AvBbwmfve
nZ cvi| Zvnj Avj-vn Zvqvjv Gi Dg cwZ`vb AvcbvK `eb|
KviY Avj-vn `LQbGZ Amr jvKi gvSLvb _K Avcwb GZjv
mrKvR, fvjv KvR KiQb|
KvR KD KvDK `q bv, KvR mw KiZ nq| evsjv`k ay 16
KvwU gvbyl bv, 50 KvwU gvbyl njI KvRi Afve ne bv| Pxb wK
KvRi Kvbv Afve nqQ? Pxb 150 KvwU jvK, fviZ 120 KvwU
jvK, mLvb Zv KvRi Kvbv Afve nq wb| Avgv`i `ki jvK
wMqI mLvb KvR Ki| gvbyli Zv ay gyL bq, gwI AvQ| Avi
gwB mewKQyi AvKi|
ce 2 \ mvdj

183

kL wK ckv nZ cvi?
ck : Avgvi kL nQ Ljv| GUvKB ckv wnme wbZ PvB| wK
Ljvayjvq Avw_K wbivcv bB| Kvbv Mgm fvjv KiZ cvij
UvKv I cwiwPwZ `yUvB cvIqv hvq| Avi fvjv KiZ bv cvij
mvivRxeb Avdmvm KiZ ne| Gw`K Avgvi cwievi Pvq AvgvK
we`k cvwVq w`Z| wK Avgvi ay UvKv DcvRbi Rb euP _vKZ
ne fvej K nq| Kx Kiev?
Di : ay UvKv DcvRb Zv Rxeb nZ cvi bv| Avi ay UvKv
DcvRbi Rb we`k hvIqvi Kvbv cqvRb bB| Pjvi gZv UvKv
`k emI DcvRb Kiv hZ cvi|
Ljvi cwZ hnZz AvKlY AvQ, LjvI Avcbvi Rb GKUv ckv
nZ cvi hw` mLvb c_g nIqv hvq| gvS gvS Kvbv Mgm fvjv
Kiv ay bq, PvIqv ne hb cZKUv gvP fvjv Kiv hvq|
Avi AvRKvj Zv Ljv GKUv eo eemv| GB h Avevnbx Kve
Avgiv gb Kwi GUv Kve, GUv wK Kve bv| GUv GKUv wjwgUW
Kvvwb| GKKUv Kvei Avq AvKvkPy^x| Ljvqvo`i DcvRb wK
Kg? cZzwMR dzUej ZviKv wwqvbv ivbvj`v| weki mePq `vwg
10 Ljvqvoi ZvwjKvi kxl AvQb wZwb| 2009 mvj wiqj gvw``
hLb wZwb Ljb, ZLb Zvi evwlK Avq wQjv 11.3 wgwjqb cvD
A_vr 117 KvwU UvKvi Ici| AZGe fvjv Ljvqvo nZ Amyweav
Kv_vq? Rxeb GUv nQ mePq iZc~Y, Avwg hLvbB _vwK
AvgvK GK b^i nZ ne| Zvnj Avcwb mvwbZ neb| cvw_e hv
cvIqv hvq Zv cveb| Avi hw` ZZxq mvwiZ co _vKb KD Avcbvi
w`K ZvKve bv|
ZZxq vb wbq GKUv XvKvBqv PzUwK AvQ| GKevi GK Nvo`o
GK Nvov cQb co MQ| Nvovi gvwjKK GKRb ejjv, Zvi
GUv Nvov njvGZ cQb co AvQ? Nvovi gvwjK ZLb ejjv, Kx
ewjm? GUv Zv GKUv evNi evPv, `wLm bv Ab NvovjvK Kxfve
Zvwoq wbq hvQ| Zv HiKg Ljvqvo nj ne bv h, Avcbvi fq
Abiv AvM `o w`qQ| AvcbvK c_g nZ ne|
184

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

ck : ewMZfve Kviv hw` Kvbv cwZfv _vK, hgbQwe AuvKv,

Mvb KivZe m wK Zvi cwZfvK wfw Ki ckv Mo Zzje? m wK
Zvi cwZfvK kvwYZ Kivi Rb QvRxeb m welqi Ici covkvbv
Kie? Avi KxfveB ev Zvi gavK mevq icvwiZ KiZ cvie?
agxq `wKvY _K Gi Di RvbZ PvB|
Di : Lye fvjv, AekB Kie| agxq w`K _K GZ Kvbv evav
bB hw` mB wk ev msMxZ gvbyli KjvYi Rb nq, gvbylK Dx
Kivi Rb nq, DxweZ Kivi Rb nq|
ck : Avwg wdwR-Gi GKRb Qv| wK kL njv cBwUs Ges
wWRvBwbs| Avwg GB `yqi ga mg^q NUvZ cviwQ bv| iRv fvjv
njI wdwRK fvjevmZ cviwQ bv|
Di : Avmj wdwR fwZ nq MjB h wdwRKB Kvwiqvi
wnme wbZ ne Ggb Kvbv K_v bB| Kvwiqvi wnme hKvbv
wKQyKB eQ wbZ cvib| hw` cBwUs ev wWRvBwbsq Avcwb fvjv
Kib Zvnj mUvKI Kvwiqvi wnme eQ wbZ cvib| gwWKj
_K cvk KiI ivRbxwZ KiQb ev eemv KiQb Ggb AbK
AvQb| GLvb Avcbvi weeP welq nQ kLUv Kvb chvqi| kLUvB
hw` cavb nq Zvnj G `Zv ewZB Avcbvi gbvhvMx nIqv
DwPZ| Aek kL hw` ay Aemi KvUvbvi gvag nq Zvnj wfb K_v|

we`k PvKwi
ck : `k AbKfve AbK wKQy KiI Avgvi Zgb wKQy nq wb|
GLb cwievi PvQ AvgvK we`k cvwVq w`Z| Kx Kiv DwPZ?
Di : we`k hZ cvib| wK hw` cwZ bv _vK, `Zv-hvMZv
bv _vK Zvnj we`k wMq Aev Aviv Lvivc nZ cvi| GKRb
RqU mUvwi PvKwi Qo we`k wMq GLb wdjvii (MvwoZ
cUvj fiv) PvKwi KiQb| Aviv fvjv myhvM cvIqv hveGB
ce 2 \ mvdj

185

Avkvq wZwb we`k wMqwQjb| GiKg nZvkvq w`b KvUvbv cevmxi

msLv gvUB Kg bq|
ck : Avwg GKRb Wvvi| eQiLvbK njv Avwg `ki kxlvbxq
GKwU gwWKj KjR _K GgweweGm cvk Ki ewiqwQ| Avwg
GLb Wvvwii iwRkb cixv w`q Awjqvq PvKwi I cv
MvRyqkb KiZ PvB| AbK ej, KvqvUvg MvRyqU nq `kK
mev bv w`q evBi PvKwi Kie? GUv wK Abvq iRx, Avwg wmv
wbZ cviwQ bv|
Di : we`k cv MvRyqkb KiZ Kvbv Amyweav bB| wekl
nq `k wdi Avmyb| Avmj RxweKvi cqvRb hw` KD cevm
hZ eva nb Zv GKiKg| wK hviv `, `ki Rb Zv`i
cqvRb AvQ| Avcbvi hLb `k Avi Kivi wKQy _vKe bv, ZLb hw`
we`wk`i KjvYi Rb Avcwb evBi hvb, Avcwb Zw cveb|
wK aygv A_ DcvRb ev GKUz Avivg-Avqk Rxeb KvUvbvi
Rb hw` Avcwb evBi hvb, Avcwb Zw cveb bv| GKUz Lei wbj
`Leb, hviv evBi AvQb, 50 eQi eqm ch nqZv Zviv
Kvbvg eZvi ga mgq KvwUq `b, wK 60-Gi KvVvq Gm
Zv`i ga nvnvKvi mw nq| Gi KviYGKw`K Rxebi A_enZvi
Afve, Abw`K mK Kvm wmwURbi Rxeb| Gi PvBZ Avcbvi
gavK `k eq Kij Avcbvi Rxeb AbK A_en ne|

AvBb ckv
ck : Avwg Abvm kl Ki evwivwi co evwivi nZ PvB| Avgvi
Rb mgvRwevb wbq KvbvwKQy Kiv wVK ne, bv evwivwi cov wVK
ne, mUv wVK KiZ cviwQ bv|
Di : evwivi nIqvi wmv bqvi AvM AvcbvK RvbZ ne
evwivi nq Avcwb Kx Kieb? evwivi nq Avcwb hw` wbhvwZZi
c `uvovb, Zvnj Avcwb h_v_| bvqi c job, Gi Pq eo
186

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

KvR Lye Kg AvQ| wK evwivi nq Avcwb hw` Lybx ev alKi c

IKvjwZ Kib, Zvnj Zv ne KviAvbi wb`ki jNb| Kb bv
KviAvb myfve ejv AvQ Zvgiv Acivaxi c IKvjwZ Kiv
bv| h AvBbRxex Acivaxi c IKvjwZ Kib, AcivaxK kvw
_K iv Kib, wZwb wK KLbv mvb cvIqvi hvM! A_i Rb
wbRK wew Ki `qv wbtm`n AmvbRbK|
wK kvbv hvq, Avgv`i mgvR AvBb ckvi GLb hv Aev,
gvjcvKwUm Qvov mdj AvBbRxex nIqv AZ KwVb| hviv cvKwUm
Kib Zv`i DcvRb Kg Avi hviv gvjcvKwUm Kib Zv`i
DcvRb ewk|
GKevi GK cw_Zhkv BbKvg Uv cvKwUkbvii mv_ cwiPq
njv| ejjvg, BbKvg Uv cvKwUkbvi wnme Avcbvi Zv h_
mybvg bwQ| Dwb nvmjb| ejjb h, bv, Avwg Avmj cvKwUm Kwi
bv, gvjcvKwUm Kwi Ges gvjcvKwUm Avwg `, GRb Avgvi bvg
Avcwb bQb|
Avgv`i GK MvRyqU, wZwb wbRI AvBbRxex| Zvi gv ZvK DBj
Ki wKQy mw w`qwQjb| `vZv ZLbv RxweZ| DBj wKQy fyj aiv
cojv| wZwb GK cwiwPZ wmwbqi AvBbRxexi KvQ G evcvi civgk
wbZ Mjb| AvBbRxex civgk w`jb gvgjv Kivi| wZwb mij gb
ivwR njb Ges H AvBbRxexKB wbqvM Kijb gvgjv cwiPvjbvi
Rb| mB AvBbRxex gvgjv Ggbfve mvRvjb, hb ivq wec hvq
Ges Avwcj KiZ nq| wZwb Avwcj Kijb| Gfve gvgjv, cvv
gvgjvq 2002 _K 2008 mvj ch KU Mj| 2008-G wZwb
RvbZ cvijb, h KvRUvi Rb wZwb BZvgaB Qq eQi eq
KiQb, `wjj iwRvii gvag GKw`bB Zv KiZ cviZb| ci
GK mKvj iwRvii gvag `wjji mskvab nq Mj|
Avcwb hw` gb KibA_ hv-B AvmyK, Avwg wbhvwZZi c
_vKev, Avcwb evwivwi coZ cvib|
ck : IKvjwZ ckvZ 100 fvM MvivwU bv w`j KvqUiv UvKv ev
Km w`Z Pvq bv| Zviv AvBb RZvi Pq Nyl w`q Km RZv ewk
cQ` Ki| G Kx Kiv hvq? Avgvi cwiwPZ GK GWfvKU
ce 2 \ mvdj

187

AvBbMZfve RZvi mvebv _vKj ZLb 100% MvivwU `b hvZ

Zviv cqmv `q| cvq mgqB Dwb mvdj cvb wK gvS gvS wgm nq
Mj mgmvq cob| GUv Kxfve gvKvejv Kiv hvq?
Di : bwQhviv IKvjwZ Kib Zv`i AbK Rvbb h, GUvK
Kxfve gvKvejv KiZ ne| wRZjI Zviv Rvbb Kx KviY
wRZjb Ges GUv wZwb Zvi KvqUK evSvZ cvib Lye fvjvfve|
Avevi Kvbv Km-G nvij, Kx KviY nvijb Ges KmUv h Avevi
ZvKB w`Z nehvZ cii evi wRwZq w`Z cvibGB Avkvm
KvqUK w`Z cvib cyivcywi| GUvB bvwK IKvjwZ ckvi weklZ|
Ze IKvjwZi evcvi Avgv`i civgk Lye cwivi| KviAvb ejv
nqQ, Acivaxi c IKvjwZ Kiv bv| KvRB Rbb KLbv
Kvbv Acivax, Lybx I alKi c IKvjwZ Kieb bv|

evsK PvKwi
ck : GKwU evsK Avgvi PvKwi nqQ| mvgbi gvm Rqwbs| Avwg
Rvwb, evsK jb`b Bmjvwg kwiqZi weavb Abyhvqx nvivg| Avgvi
gb LyuZLyuZ KiQ| Avgvi ivRMvii UvKv nvjvj ne Zv? nvivg c_
Avwg Kvbv UvKv Avq KiZ PvB bv| iRx `qv Ki Rvbveb|
Di : avii wewbgq my` MnY Ges nvivg eemvq A_ wewbqvMK
Bmjvg Aea KiQ| kwiqvi GB ixwZ gb A_bwZK eev
cwiPvjbvi bxwZMZ aviYvwUKB Bmjvwg evswKs ej| Lvjvdvq
ivk`xbi ci _K i Ki 800-1200 wLv ch weZ
Bmjvgi ^YhyM h evcKwfwK Bmjvwg A_bxwZi weKvk NU, ZviB
AbyciYvq 60-Gi `kKi gvSvgvwS wgki c_g Bmjvwg evswKs
cwZi cPjb nq| cieZxZ Zv weZ nq Bivb, mw` Avie Ges
gvjqwkqvq|
Bmjvwg evswKs ej, my`wfwK cPwjZ evswKs eevi wecixZ
Zv`i evswKs eev cwiPvwjZ nq jvf-wZ fvMvfvwMi kZvbymvi|
gy`vivev, gykvivKv, gyivevnv BZvw` bvbv bvgi A_bwZK jb`bi
188

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

wbqg iqQ Zv`i| GLb ck njv, cviwiK wbfikxj eZgvb wek

A_eevq Kvbv wekl evswKs eevi c wK ev`evwK evswKs
eevi mv_ jb`b bv Ki _vKv me? Avi hLb GKB `k Abvb
evswKs eev iqQ Ges hLvb Zv`i mevBK `ki K`xq
evsKi m evaZvg~jK jb`b KiZ nq ZLb mLvb kwiqvwfwK
evswKs Kxfve ne? Avgv`i `ki evwYwRK evsKjvK evsjv`k
evsKi KvQ evaZvg~jK GKUv RvgvbZ ivLZ nq, jb`b KiZ
nq| evsjv`k evsK wK BmjvgwfwK jb`b KiQ, bv evsjv`k
evsKi AvBb Abyhvqx KiQ? A_vr GKUv `ki me eev hLb
agwbic, ZLb ay evswKs eev Bmjvwg nIqv me bq|
wZxqZ, KviAvb h wiev ev my`K nvivg Kiv nqQ, Avjg`i
GKUv Askhv`i ga Avj-vgv BDmyd AvjxI iqQbZviv gb
Kib, eZgvb evsK eevi my` Zvi AvIZvq co bv| KviAvbi GB
wiev njv gnvRbx my` hv AbKmgq Avmji PqI AbK Y ewk
nq hZ Ges Zv kva KiZ bv cvij Avgv`i wPivqZ mvwnZi mB
Dcb wKsev Mdzii gZv wfUevwo me LvqvZ nZv| kwcqvii
gvPU Ad fwbmi kvBjKi gZv GB gnvRbiv `bv`vii Ici
LoMn nq `uvwoq _vKZv|
Avi mvaviY evsK hvK my` ej, Bmjvwg evsK ZvKB ej
gy`vivev ev cwdU kqvwis| A_vr Avcbvi UvKv LvwUq evsK hw` cwdU
Ki Zvnj Avcwb Zvi fvM cveb, wK jm Kij Avcwb wKQy cveb
bv| wK Avcwb hw` evsKi UvKv wbq jm Kib Zvnj evsK Avcbvi
GB jm kqvi Kie bv| Zvnj GUv eemv njv Kxfve? A_vr meB
GK, ay bvgjv Aviwe| hgb, GKmgq jvBd BbmyiK kwiqvi
cwicw MY Kiv nZv| GLb GUvK ejv nq BmjvwgK Bbmyi ev
ZvKvdzj| meB GK ay evLvUv e`j MQ h, GKRbi SuywKK hLb
AbK wgj enb Kib ZLb Gi jvf cZ Amyweav bB|
Bmjvg kwUi mv_ Avgv`i `ki gvbyli hnZz GKUv `yejZv
AvQ, mB myev` Bmjvgi bvg AbKB jvfRbK eemv KiQb|
ZvB GLb GBPGmwewm Ges vvW PvUvW evsKi gZv eRvwZK
evsK Zv`i mvaviY evswKsqi cvkvcvwk mvw`K Avgvbvn BZvw`
bvg Bmjvwg evswKsI Pvjy KiQ| GUv AbKUv BsiR`i BsiR
ce 2 \ mvdj

189

wcwcvj w`q KjKvZv Avwjqv gv`vmv Pvjy Kivi gZv|

Avgv`i Kviv Kviv evwZK AvQevsK UvKv iLwQ, my` bev
bv| wK GB UvKvUv Kviv eenvi KiQ? GLb mviv weki evswKs
A_bxwZK wbqY KiQ Bw`iv| Avcwb Avcbvi UvKv Zv`iK
w`Qb Aviv UvKv evbvevi Rb| Avcwb my` bv wbj Zv`i Rb
Aviv fvjv| Zv`i UvKv evoe| AZGe Avgiv hb AvZcZviYvi
wkKvi bv nB| hv eve, ZvK hb evevbyMfveB MnY Kwi| KviY
Avgv`i mgvR, iv nQ agwbic| GLvb ay evswKs Bmjvwg nZ
cvi bv| GKgv Bmjvwg iveevq evswKs kwiqZmZ ne| ZLb
Avcwb Bmjvwg evswKs KiZ cvieb|
AZGe Avgiv `LwQ h, Z_vKw_Z Bmjvwg evswKs Avi Abvb
evswKsqi ga cKZc Kvbv cv_K bB| mevBKB evsjv`k
evsKi wbqgi Aaxb KvR KiZ nQ| Zviv GKB KvR KiQb, ay
wfb bvg WvKQb| Avi evsK Qvov Ges evsKi my` Qvov Zv GLb
Kvbv A_bxwZ PjQ bv| Avcwb hnZz Ab KvDK VKvQb bv Ges
hv nQ me cviwiK mwZi wfwZ GKUv wmgi ga nQ
AZGe evswKs mvwfmi ga Avgiv nvivgi wKQy `LwQ bv|
ck : Avwg XvKv wekwe`vjqi A_bxwZ wefvMi Qv| Avgvi j
GKRb evsKvi nIqv| wK evswKs mi cyivcywi my`i wfwZ Pj|
Avwg my`gy Rxebhvcb KiZ PvB| G Avgvi KiYxq Kx?
Di : Gi wevwiZ Di Avgiv AvMi ck w`qwQ| Avmj eZgvb
weki A_bxwZ nQ my`wfwK| ZvB Avcwb hZB Pvb my`gy
Rxebhvcb KiZ, Zv me bq| hgb, Avgiv evRvi _K Pvj wKwb|
h eemvqx we`k _K Pvj Avg`vwb KiQ, m Pvj AvbQ evsKi
gvag| evsK ZvK UvKv w`Q my`i wfwZ| evRvi Avgv`i KvQ
Pvj wew Ki m IB UvKv cwikva KiQ|
AZGe eveev`x nZ ne| LwZfve Rxebhvcb Kiv hvq bv|
`wUvK Aviv weZ KiZ ne| eveZv nQ, Avcwb h ckvZB
_vKb bv Kb, hZY ch wek my`gy A_bxwZ bv nQ ZZY
ch Kviv c my`gy Rxebhvcb Kiv me bq|
190

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

gvwbvkbvj KvvwbZ PvKwi

ck : Avgv`i mgvR eRvwZK KvvwbZ PvKwi KivUvK hvMZvi
cwiPq gb Kiv nq| wekwe`vjq Avgv`i wUPvi`i K_vZI mUvB
evSv hZ| Avwg ewMZfve GLb G aibi cwZvb PvKwi KiZ
ev Ave`b KiZ wavw^Z _vwK| wKQyw`bi gaB Kvwiqvi i KiZ
hvwQ| GLb Avgvi Kx Kiv DwPZ?
Di : eRvwZK Kvvwbjv Avmj A_bwZK mvgvRev`i cwZf~
wnme KvR KiQ| Ebwesk kZvx ch mvgvRev`x kwjv
wekRyo Dcwbek vcbi gvag mvgvR wevii h KvR KiQ,
wesk ev GKwesk kZK Zv-B beic wbqQ gvwbvkbvji bvg|
Avi Zv`i G kvlYiB nvwZqvi nq hvQb bwUf`i ga _K hviv
Zv`i ILvb KvR KiQb Zviv| Ges ZvivI h Lye fvjv AvQb Zv
bq| KviY GiKg GKRb KgxK eRvwZK KvvwbwU nqZv eZb
w`Q 40 nvRvi UvKv, wK m Zv ZvK w`q Pvi jvL UvKv DcvRb
KiZ PvBe| bBj Zviv GZ eZb Kb `e? KviY gvwbvkbvj
Zv Avi mevg~jK cwZvb bv| Zviv Zv bU cwdU Qvov KvbvwKQy
wPv Ki bv| mUvi Rb h cwigvY cwikg, Zv KiZ wMq H
gvbylwUK Zvi Rxebi AbK g~jevb w`KK Aenjv KiZ ne|
Dci KvRi Kvbv Zw GB KvRjvi ga w`q cvIqv me
bq| KviY md DcvRbi Rb ev kvlY Ki UvKv Kvgvbvi ga
Kvbv Avb` bB, Zw bB hv Avm mev ev wgkb wnme h KvR
Kiv nq Zvi ga w`q| dj m, nZvkv, gvbwmK Aemv`, kvixwiK
ivM-evwa Aekvex| Avcwb Gi cgvY `Lyb eo eo gvwbvkbvji
wmBI`i Rxeb| mvBKvjwR UzW cwKvi wicvU nQ, AvgwiKvq
cwZ cuvPRb GKRb wmBI wWckb fvMb| KviY KvRUv Zvi
fvjevmv bq, GUv Zvi KvQ weiwKi GKUv evcvi|
eRvwZK Kvvwbi KgKZv-KgPvix`i ga `ivM, welYZvmn
Abvb ivMi h cv`yfve Gi AbZg cavb KviY weiw mnKvi
KvR| weiw wbq Kvbv KvR Kij Zvi eiKZ Kg hvq Ges mB
KvR Ki my _vKv hvq bv| kixi Uwb mwi AbZg KviY weiw
ce 2 \ mvdj

191

mnKvi KvR Kiv|

Avi gvwbvkbvj KvR KivUv GKUv ei gZv| GKevi hLb
Avcwb gvwbvkbvj XyKeb, ZLb ewk eZb, Awdm vUvmmewKQy
wgj Avcwb GKUv jvBdvBj Af nq hveb| ewk A_ w`q _vKv
LvIqv Pjv Kbv meB nq hve Avcbvi vUvm wm^j| dj Gi Pq
wbPi Aevb bvgv Avcbvi c me ne bv| MvwoZ Po Af
nj ZLb PvBjI Avcwb wiKkvq PoZ cvieb bv| `vwg dvkb nvDm
_K ev cvkvK wKbZ wKbZ wfoi gvKU _K `i`i Ki
KbvUv Avcbvi KvQ weiwKi gb ne| KvRB ZLb GB jvBd
vUvm eRvq ivLvi Rb DPeZbi gvwbvkbvj Kvvwb Qo
hvIqvi K_v Avi Avcwb fveZ cvieb bv|
Avmj gvwbvkbvj KvvwbZ PvKwi `y`kvi GK wfb aibi
e| AvcvZ jvfbxq eZb LiP Avi wWU KvWi e AvcbvK
Rwoq dje| gvMZ wUK _vKvi cwZhvwMZvq G`i AwaKvskB
m, wWckb ev `ivM Avv nb| ZvB D`gx I cwikgx nj
^vaxb ckv ev eemv KivB Dg|
ck : gvwbvkbvj KvvwbZ PvKwiiZ GKRb KvqvUvg MvRyqUi
Kx f~wgKv _vKv cqvRb? Zvi wK m PvKwi _K AevnwZ bqv DwPZ?
Di : Avmj mewKQyB mgqgZv KiZ nq| Avgiv GKwU PZbvi K_v
ejwQ| AvRK gvwbvkbvji PvKwi Qo w`j Avcbvi Pje
Kxfve? GRb Avcbvi gvbwmK cwZi cqvRb iqQ| AveM Lye
ewkY bv-I _vKZ cvi|
wK gb ivLeb h, Avcwb MieRbK wKQy KiQb bv| hLbB
myhvM cveb, wbR wKQy Kivi Pv Kieb| axi axi PZbvK kvwYZ
Kib| wbRi Rb, `ki Rb wKQy KiZ cvib wK bv wPv Kib|
`Leb, Ggb mgq Avme hLb Gi Pq fvjv wKQy KiZ cviQb|
ck : Avwg GgweG-i zWU| gRi mveR gvKwUs| Abvb
GgweG-`i gZv AvwgI PvBZvg eRvwZK KvvwbZ KvR KiZ|
wK Avcwb ejQb mUv fvjv AvBwWqv bv| Avgvi Kx Kiv DwPZ?
192

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Di : GUv wbfi Kie Avcbvi j Kx Zvi Ici| Avcbvi j hw`

gvbyli mev Kiv nq Zvnj mevagx hKvbv KvR KiZ cvib| hw`
eemvwqK evcvi Avcbvi AvMn ewk _vK Zvnj wbR^ eemv i
KiZ cvib| eemvI mevi gvag nZ cvi| Avi hw` A_i
evcvi Avcbvi Kvbv AvMn bv _vK, we mev `qv j nq,
Zvnj dvDkb AvmZ cvib| KviY Avcwb hnZz eRvwZK
KvvwbZ KvR KiZ PvQb bv, Kvbv `kxq emiKvwi cwZvbI
Avcwb KvR KiZ cvieb bv, KviY mLvbI Aev GKB|
ck : cvBfU AMvbvBRkb KvR Kwi| mKvj bqUv _K ivZ 11Uv
ch LvUZ nq| Zvici Uc em`i eKzwb| gvbwmK Pvc _K
cwivYi Dcvq Kx?
Di : Avmj cvBfU AMvbvBRkb KvR KiZ nj G cwigvY
LvUZB ne Ges Uc em`i eKzwbI LZB ne| GB Pvc _K gywi
Rb wbqwgZ gwWUkb Kib Ges eKzwbK cksmv ej gb Kib,
A_vr eKzwbK mnRfve wbb|
Avmj gvwbvkbvj KvvwbjvZ AvcvZ ewk eZbi Avovj
AvQ GB nvofvOv LvUzwb| mLvb eZb nqZv `yBRbi mgvb `qv
nQ| wK KvR Kivbv nq PviRbi mgvb| mKvj bqUv _K ivZ
bqUv| m gb KiQ m AbK KvR KiQ wK m KvRi dj fvM
KiQ Zvi gvwjK|
Avi GLbKvi ZiY-ZiYxiv hfve weweG-GgweG covi w`K
SzuKQ ZvZ hv ne Zv njvweweG-GgweG Kivi ci AwaKvskB fvjv
Kvbv PvKwi cve bv| KviY GZ ewk weweG-GgweG nq hve h,
`Lv hve QvU Kvbv cvI GgweG-iv Gc-vB KiQewkifvM
mgqB hviv wbevwPZ nZ cvie bv| KviY, G mg wbqvMKZv
fveb, GZ QvU cv GiKg eo wWwMavix GKRbK wbjI m
nqZv ewkw`b _vKe bv| fvjv Advi cj c_g myhvMB G
PvKwiUv m Qo `e| A_P wZwb hw` eo wKQy KiZ Dy nZb
Zvnj wZwb ^vaxb ckvK eQ wbZ cviZb Ges wbRi cwZvb
Aviv AbKK PvKwi w`Z cviZb|
ce 2 \ mvdj

193

eemv
ck : Avwg eemv KiZ PvB| Kx aibi eemv Kiv DwPZ?
Di : h eemvi ga w`q Avcwb GKRb gvbylK mev w`Z cvieb,
cZviYv bq| GKUv fvjv cY GKRbi nvZ Zzj `qvUvI GKUv
mev, GKUv Bev`Z| GKUv fvjv Lvevi GKRbi nvZ Zzj `qvUvI
GKUv mev| wK mdU wWsKm, GbvwR wWsKm, g` ev WvMm Zzj
`qvUv mev bq| AZGe hLvb Avcwb mev KiZ cvieb mZZvi
mv_ mUvB Avcbvi eemv nZ cvi| cwZwU eemvZB mev Kivi
myhvM AvQ, hw` Avcbvi m gvbwmKZv _vK|
ck : Avwg evsjv`k evsK PvKwi Kwi| Avgvi `xNw`bi BQv PvKwii
ci eemv Kiev|
Di : AwaKvsk PvKwiRxex GB fyjUv Kib| G KviY Zv`i
cbkbi UvKv Zviv fvM KiZ cvib bv| KviY hLb cbkbi UvKv
ev MvPzwqwUi UvKv cvbGB 10, 15 ev 20 jvL UvKv Zviv Kvbv
AvsKj, fvwZRv ev Qji ezi mv_ eemvq LvUvb Ges GB UvKvUv
cyivcywi b nq hvq| hZ wiUvqvW Awdmvi wewbqvM KiQb, Gi 99
fvMB Zv`i wewbqvM diZ cvb wb|
wKQy cyuwR wbq hKvbv GKUv wKQy i Ki w`jB mUv eemv nq
bv| eemvq mdjZv cZ nj eemv eySZ nq, AwfZv _vKZ nq|
cwZwU eemvi h wbR^ mvdji Mvcb inm AvQ, mUv RvbZ nq|
aib, Avcwb GKwU mdUIqvi dvg Lyjjb| Avcwb hw` G mK bv
Rvbb, Bwwbqvi nqZv wZb wgwbUi KvRK ejeGUv AbK KwVb
KvR, RwUj KvR, wZb gvm jvMe| Avcwb hnZz Rvbb bv GUv wZb
gvm jvMe bv wZb wgwbU jvMe, Avcbvi ZvK wekvm Kiv Qvov Dcvq
_vKe bv| Avcbvi eemvq jm ne|
mvivRxeb PvKwii ci eemv KivUv Avcbvi c mnR bq| GB
UvKv eemvq bv LvwUq evsK iL w`jB Zv Avcbvi gvmi LiPi
UvKv DV Avm| Avi Aemi bv wMq cyiv mgqUvB Avcwb AvwZK
194

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Dbqb I mwi mevq dvDkb KvqvwUqvi wnme AvZwbqvM KiZ

cvib| GZ Avcwb GKw`K hgb my _vKeb, Abw`K Avcbvi
cvijwKK gywi c_I ck ne|
ck : Pvi eQi we`k wQjvg| GLb evsjv`k Pj GmwQ| KvwRZ
A_ Kv_vq wewbqvM Kiev wmv wbZ cviwQ bv| fq nq hw` jm
nq| G evcvi Avcwb Kvbv Dc`k w`j DcKZ nev|
Di : KvwRZ A_ wewbqvM bv Ki GB A_i mv_ Kxfve kg
wewbqvM KiZ cvib m wPv Kib| ay UvKv wewbqvM Kij nq bv|
Gi mv_ kg I eyw wewbqvM KiZ ne|
Avi eemv Kivi AvM eemv eySZ ne| cZKUv eemvi inm
AvQ| mB inmwU eySZ ne| eemvq bvgvi AvM, wewbqvM Kivi
AvM ZvB eemvUv evSvi Pv Kib| A_ev mB eemvB i Kib hv
Avcwb evSb, mUv hZ QvUB nvK bv Kb| Zvnj Avcwb UvKvK
cuywRZ icvwiZ KiZ cvieb|
ck : Avwg h PvKwiUv KiwQ ZvZ eZb fvjv wK Kvbv fwelr
bB| Avwg GUv e`j Ggb wKQz KiZ PvB hv KvwiqviK AbK `~i
be| fvewQ ^vaxb eemv Kiev| wK cwievii mnhvwMZv cvIqv
hve wK bv Rvwb bv| Gw`K PvKwiZ gvUI gbvhvM w`Z cviwQ bv|
Di : cwievii mnhvwMZvi Acvq hw` _vKb Zvnj eemvq mdj
nevi mvebv Kg| eemv Kivi Rb k~b _K i KiZ ne|
cw_exZ hZ weevb `Leb, Zviv mevB i KiQb k~b _K|
wej MUm KZ UvKv wbq eemv i KiwQjb? A_P Avgiv Rvwb,
mvcwZK KqK eQi ai wZwb wQjb weki mePq eo abKzei|
weki wZxq eng abKzei Iqvib evdU| cwKvi nKvwi _K 25
Wjvi Rwgq 14 eQi eqm wZwb GKUv h Kbb| GB njv eemvi
i| AvR wZwb `yB j 80 nvRvi KvwU UvKvi gvwjK|
gyby wmivwgKi nvibyi ikx` Lvb gyby, 75 UvKv wbq eemv i
KiwQjb| AvwKR Mci cwZvZv AvwKR wgqv wewo evbvZb| ci
ce 2 \ mvdj

195

Ab eemv QvovB ay wewo dvwi _KB eQi Qq KvwU UvKv Uv

w`Zb AvR _K 15 eQi AvM| Zviv Zv Kviv KvQ nvZ cvZb wb|
A_vr AvcbvK i KiZ ne hv AvQ Zv w`q| Avcwb hw` gb
Kib cwievi AvgvK mnvqZv KiQ bv, wVK AvQ, dzUcvZ `uvwoq
Avwg MvgUm wew Kiev| Zvnj Avcwb evwqs nvDm KiZ cvieb|
MvgUm dvwi KiZ cvieb, mewKQy KiZ cvieb|
ck : Avwg Abvm kl Ki mcwZ gvvmI cvk KiwQ| ckvMZ
Rxeb Avgvi BQv D`vv nIqv| wK evi evi wewfb fxwZ gbK
AvQb Ki dj| Kvbv mvnmx c`c wbZ cviwQ bv| AbK
ejQAvM PvKwi Ki ci evewfwK c`c wbI| wK GwU
Avgvi AveM I fxwZi ga mw KiQ| Kxfve AvZwekvm
ejxqvb nq Avwg D`vv nZ cvwi? G eve c`c Kgb
nZ cvi? Dj-L, Avwg Kvbv KvR GKUz Kivi ci c~Y MwZ _vK bv|
GUv Kxfve `~i Kiv me?
Di : AvM wVK KiZ ne Avcwb Kx Kieb Ges eemv Avcwb
evSb wK bv| eemv hw` dzUcvZ _K i KiZ cvib, Avcwb Lye
fvjv D`vv nZ cvieb| KviY msKvP RoZv wmvnxbZv _vKj
KD eemv KiZ cvi bv, KD D`vv nZ cvi bv| wmv bqvi
bvg nQ D`vM| memgq gb ivLeb, cw_ex mvnmx gvbyli Rb
Ges h eemv KiZ Pvb mUv k~b _K i KiZ ne|
Avgiv AwaKvskB fyj Kwi Kv_vq? Avgiv UvKvcqmv hvMvo Ki
eemv i Kwi| Avgiv memgq gb Kwi h, GB Kiev, IB Kiev,
wifjwfs Pqvi _vKe mLvb emev| wZbUv Uwjdvb _vKe, cuvP Rb
mUvwi _vKe| hvi dj eemv nq bv, UvKvcqmv b nq|
eemvi Rb iZB UvKvi Kvbv cqvRb bB| ivvq `uvwoq
cob| Avcwb eemv KiZ cvieb| ivv _K Avcwb cvmv` DVeb|
Avgv`i `k D`vv Kx iKg? GKRb Zvi ezK ejQ h, Pj,
Avgiv wZb ez wgj dvwi evbvev| cveUv Lye gRvi| ezi RvqMvUv
evsKi KvQ eK w`q jvb be| mB jvb _K c_g wZb ez
wZbUv jvm Mvwo wKbe| GB nQ eemvi i! G`i bv Kvbvw`b
196

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

dvwi ne, bv m FY Kvbvw`b kva ne| Avmj h eemv k~b

_K i nq Zv-B GwMq hvq c~YZvq|
mvnm Ges wekvm Qvov D`vM bqv hvq bv| gij Gi mv_ giev,
euvPj Gi mv_ euvPevGB wPv AvcbvK Agi Kie| h wRwbmi
Rb Rxeb w`Z cZ _vKeb mB wRwbm AvcbvK Agi Kie|
ck : Avwg weMZ AvU eQi hveZ eemvi mv_ RwoZ| eemvMZ
jb`b Avwg wbR memgq cwikva Kwi mwVK mgq| wK Avgvi
cvIbv Lye KgB Avwg mgqgZv cvB| hvi Rb AvgvK cvqB mgmvq
coZ nq| G evcvi Avgvi KiYxq Kx?
Di : evcviUv Lye mnR| Avwg AvM Kvbv KvR Kivj gRywi hv ne
me w`q w`Zvg| `LZvg, KvRUv cuvP w`bI nq bv| ci eySjvg, m
hnZz gRywi cqB MQ AZGe KvRUv Zvi KvQ iZnxb nq
MQ| GKRb civgk w`jb h, G mg KvR nIqvi AvM
`eb 10%, nIqvi ci `eb 90%| `Leb, Avcbvi KvRUv
mgqgZv nq hve| `Ljvg h, Zv-B nQ|
AvcbvKI GiKg Kkj cqvM KiZ ne| A_vr wRwbmc
w`jI GKUz cuvP iL w`Z ne hvZ m UvKvUv w`Z eva nq|
Avevi AvUK ivLQb GUvI evSvbv hve bv|
ck : ^vaxb ckv ev eemv Kivi c~e PvKwi Kiv cqvRb, GZ eemv
kLv hvqG mK RvbZ PvB|
Di : GUv wVK| Ze m Avcwb h eemvq hZ Pvb m eemvi
mv_ mswk- RvqMvq AvcbvK PvKwi KiZ ne| Avcwb hw`
dUvMvwdi eemvq hZ Pvb, Zvnj dUvMvwdi `vKvb PvKwi wbZ
ne| KvRUv AvcbvK wkLZ ne, KvRi inmjv eySZ ne, eyS
Zvici eemv KiZ ne| A_vr hKvbv eemvq bvgvi AvM m
eemv eySZ ne Ges h PvKwiZ Mj GB eemv mePq my`ifve
evSv hve, eZb hv-B nvK ZvZB hZ ne|
Avi eemvq mdj nIqvi Kkj Lye mnR| mbvZb ag Abymvi
ce 2 \ mvdj

197

eemvi `eZv MYk| MYki `nUv gvbyli, Avi gv_vUv nvwZi|

A_vr `nUv gvbyli Avi gv_vUv ci| AZGe eemv KiZ nj
`nUzKzB gvbyli _vKehw` Lye eo, AbK eo eemv KiZ Pvb|
mvaviYfve Avcbvi ga ci h Survival InstinctGUv Zxe _vKZ
ne h, eemv Qvov Avcwb Avi wKQy evSb bv| Avcwb eemvZ ZLb
Lye fvjv Kieb|
eemvq mdj nZ nj h m~ AvcbvK GZ ne Zv njv
cuywR + D`g + kg + eevcbv + wecYb|
ck : ez`i `Lv`wL i KiwQjvg dvkb Iqvii weRbm| wK
jvf Zv `~ii K_v `vwg gvKU mvRvbv-MvQvbv `vKvbi LiP
IVvZB avi-`bvi Aev| GLb Kx Kiev?
Di : Avcwb GLvbB fyj KiQb| eemv KiZ wMq RyM gZ
IVvi ceYZvUv Avgv`i AbKiB AvQ| mevB hLvb hvQ m
eemvi cQbB Avgiv QzwU| wK GUv eySZ ne h, cwZwU cvi
hgb GKUv aviYgZv AvQ, Zgwb cwZwU LvZ ev eemvi P~ov gvv
ev aviYgZv AvQ hvi ci Avi H eemvq wewZi Kvbv myhvM
_vK bv| hviv c_g hvq, ZvivB g~jZ jvfevb nq| ci hviv Avm
Zv`i AvLi Zgb wKQzB RvU bv|
evsjv`k hLb Avwki `kK c_g MvgUm eemv i njv, Avwg
hnZz GjwR PPv KiZvg, AbKKB ejjvgMvgUm Bvw
Kib| Zviv ejjb h, Kx! `wRi `vKvb `ev Avi evwoi gWmvfU`i PvKwi `ev? Zviv MvgUm eemvq Mjb bv| Avi hviv
Mjb mB c_g D`vvivB KvwU KvwU UvKvi gvwjK njb|
hLb c_g KD GKUv wRwbm i Ki, memgq gvLb m-B cq
hvq| hiKggvevBji c_g gvLb Ljv wmwUmj, 10 eQi| Zvici
gvLb hUzKz wQjvMvgxY| GLb nvw wbq KvgovKvgwo nQ,
ZviciI Aviv bZzb bZzb Kvvwb AvmQ| MvgxY hv jvf Ki MQ!
GKUz wPv Ki `Lyb h, cwZ wgwbU KjiU GKmgq wQjv GKUv
Rvbi ga Pvi UvKv, BUviRvb nj 12 UvKv| Zvici Zviv ejjv,
Iqvb KvwU Iqvb gvevBj Iqvb iUmvZ UvKv| GLb Iqvb KvwU
198

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Iqvb gvevBj Iqvb iU GK UvKvi Kg| ZviciI Zv Zviv jvf

KiQ| Zvnj hLb mvZ UvKv wQjv, Kx cwigvY jvf KiQ? GUv
Kb? hnZz Zviv AvM GmQ| A_vr eemvi Rb cqvRb bZzb
AvBwWqv LuyR ei Kiv|
20 eQi AvMi K_v| GK hyeK fyqv Av`gevcvixi cvj-vq
cowQjv| we`k Mj, ILvb Mjvavv Lq wdi Gm Avgvi mv_
`Lv KiZ Gjv| ZvK ejjvg, Avcwb Kx KiZ cvieb? Kx AvQ
Avcbvi? hv AvQ Zv wbqB i Kib|
m ejjv, Mvg Avgvi GLbv GKUv evwo AvQ, GKUv cyKzi AvQ|
cyKzii cvk Avgvi weNvLvbK Rwg AvQ|
ejjvg, wPv KibG _K Kx Kiv hvq| Lye eywgvb wQjv m|
ejjv, Avgvi gv_vq GKUv AvBwWqv GmQ| Avwg KvDK RvbvZ
cviwQ bv| hvK ewj m-B ej cvMj|
Avwg ejjvg, Lye fvjv| Avwg Zv GiKg cvMj`i LuvRB Kwi
memgq| m ejjv, Avgvi GB cyKziUvK `yB fvM Kiev| GKfvM
gvi gvQ Pvl Kiev, AviKfvM evO Pvl Kiev| Gi mv_ KuPvi
Pvl Kiev| evOi Zv cv Qvov Ab Ask KvR jvM bv| Gjv
gvwUZ cyuZ `ev `yB cyKzii gvSLvb, hLvb KuPv _vK| KuPv
Gjv cQ` Ki, KuPv Gjv Lve| Avevi, evO KuPv Lye cQ`
Ki| evO KuPv Lvq| evOK KuPv Lve Avevi KuPvK evO Lve|
GKUv Lv`P| evOvwP nQ gvi gvQi mePq wcq Lvevi| cPzi
evOvwP ne, I`iK gvi gvQ Lve|
Zvi h UvKv b KiwQjv mB UvKv `yB eQi Dmyj nq Mj|
evOvwP Lj gvQ Lye `Z evo| gvi gvQ Lye `Z evoZ jvMjv|
gvi gvQ wew KiQ, evOi cv wew KiQ| evOi Aewkvsk
gvwUZ cyuZ w`Q| mUv Lq KuPv eo nQ| KuPv Lq evO eo
nQ| evOvwP Lq gvi gvQ eo nQ|
Pvi/ cuvP eQi ci Avevi m Gjv, PgrKvi Pnviv| ejjv, GLb
Avgvi Kvbv Afve bB| GLb Avwg wPv KiwQ wbevPb `uvovev|
Avwg ejjvg, wbevPb Ki Kx ne? m ejjv, GLb Zv Avj-vni
ingZ UvKvcqmvi Afve bvB| Avwg ejjvg, UvKvcqmv evovZ
_vKb| gvbyli wKQy DcKvi Kib| m ejjv, DcKvi Kivi RbB
ce 2 \ mvdj

199

Zv wbevPb| Avwg ejjvg, wbevPb Ki DcKvi KiZ cvieb bv|

wbevPb KiZ MjB Avcbvi DcKvii cwigvY Kg hve| KviY hviv
AvcbvK wbevwPZ Kie ZLb Zv`i dzU-digvqk, Zv`i gbvib
KiZ KiZ Avcbvi Aev Lvivc nq hve|
wPvi bZzbZ ZvK Ggb chvq wbq MQ h, m GLb cPzi UvKvi
gvwjK| wbevPb KiZ MjB Zv AbK UvKv jvM| b Kivi gZv
GZ UvKv Zvi nq MQ|
eemv hLb Kieb, AvcbvK GB eyw, GB bZzbZ, GB gavUvK
cqvM KiZ ne| wPv KiZ nebZzb Kvb Zv Kiv hvq|
QvU nvK, wK bZzb | KviY mLvb AvcwbB c_g`uvwoq hZ
cvieb cwZhvwMZv Qvov|
ck : Avgvi GK cwiwPZRb AvQ, Zvi fvM Lye fvjv| Lwiviiv Zvi
`vKvb Qvov Kb bv| Avgvi Kb hb G evcvi fvM Lye Lvivc|
Di : GUv fvM bq| GUv Zvi wbqZ, Zvi `wfw| Avmj GKRb
e_ Ges mdj eemvqxi ga cv_K njve_ eemvqx wPv Ki
KZ `Z jvf Kiv hve| Avi mdj eemvqx jvf Kg Ki| m Zvi
Zvi Ici iZ `q, hvZ G jvKwU memgq GB `vKvb _K
Kb| mdj eemvqx A jvf Ki ewk wRwbm wew Ki Avi e_
eemvqx A wRwbm wew Ki ewk jvf KiZ Pvq|
A wRwbm wew Ki Avcwb hw` ewk jvf KiZ Pvb Ze Avcbvi
eemv wUKe bv| GKevi VKe, `yBevi VKe, ZZxqevi Zv Avi
Avcbvi KvQ Avme bv| G cm GKRb mdj eemvqx GKevi
ejwQjb, mvaviY eemvqxiv wew Ki jvf KiZ Pvq| wew Ki
Avmj jvf Kiv hvq bv| jvf KiZ nq Kbvi mgq|
m nj Avcbvi ZvivB bZzb Zv wbq Avme| Avi Zvi
mw wbfi KiQ Avcbvi Ici| GK Zv nQ Avcbvi cYi gvb
nZ ne Ggb hvZ Zv gb KiZ cvib fvjv cY wKbZ nj
Avcbvi `vKvbB GKgv wbfihvM cwZvb| Avcbvi KvQB ZvK
AvmZ ne| GB h gvgv cuqvRyc_g m i KiwQjv GKUv Us
w`q| wK GLb ay cuqvRy wew Ki Zvi XvKv kni PviUv evwo|
200

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Kb ciQ? Zvi mw| h wKbQ, m wbRK cZvwiZ gb KiQ

bv| hgb, GLbKvi wKQy PvBwbR wRwbmc GKevi wKbj Avi
wZxqevi Kbvi BQ nq bv| Gi ga GKRb Gm ejjv, AvU
wMMvevBUi cbWvBf GKevi XvKvj Avi wZxqevi Pj bv| Pxbviv
h gvKU `Lj KiwQjvGB `yB b^i Kvvwbjv Pxbv`i gvKUi
evivUv evwRq w`Q|
wZxqZ, Avcbvi `vKvb hw` Aviv KgPvix _vK, Zvi cwZ
Zv`i AvPiY Kgb nQ mw`KI AvcbvK Lqvj ivLZ ne|
hgb, Avcbvi KgPvixiv wK ZvK h_vh_ mvb `q? gbvhvM
w`q Zvi K_v kvb? AvwiKfve wRwbm `Lvq? Kvbv KviY Zv
cY wKbZ bv PvBj ZvK wK KUy ge Ki? `vKvb Zv Gj
Avcwb Ges Avcbvi KgPvixiv wK Lywk nb? Kwiqv Av`vq Kib?
AZGe `vKvbi wew evovevi Rb GB eve c`cjv wbb|
memgq BwZevPK _vKzb| mvagZv `vb Kib| `Leb, fvM Avcbvi
AbyKj Pj Avme|
ck : Avgiv `yRb GKUv cwZvb PvjvB wK Avgvi cvUbvi gvS
gvSB weo^bvi mw Ki| gvS gvS ZvK PZzi gb nq| Avwg
ewiq hZ PvBj m nvZ-cv aiv i Ki| GiKg ek KqKevi
nqQ| AbK AvgvK Avjv`v cwZvb KiZ ej Ges Avwg Rvwb Zv
Avwg cviev| Avcwb ej w`bAvwg Kx KiZ cvwi?
Di : cvUbvi gvS gvSB weo^bvi mw Ki| gvS gvS ZvK PZzi
gb nq| Zvi gvb cvUbvii cwZ Avcbvi Avv bB| GUv bv nj Zv
Avcwb cvUbviwkc weRbm KiZ cvieb bv| KviY cvUbviwkcUvB
nQ Avv ev wekvmi evcvi|
G evcvi e-Bvb Mci RvwK-gvkviid RywU GK PgrKvi
D`vniY| 50 eQi AvM c_g hLb bjvg RvwK gvkviid, Avwg
fvejvg RvwK gvkviid gvb GKRb| ci hLb Zv`i Awdm
Mjvg, `Ljvg`yRb gvbyl| GKRb RvwKDwb Avng`, AviKRb
gvkviid nvmb| GZ wek cvUbviwkc LyeB weij| GKBmv_ eemv
KiQb, hLvb hvb GKmv_ hvb| evwo KiQb, mUvI cvkvcvwk Ges
ce 2 \ mvdj

201

GKB wWRvBb| `vIqvZ KijI `yRbKB KiZ nq| KviY GKRbK

Qvov AviKRb hvb bv| 12 Zg evP `yRb GKmv_ KvqvUvg g_W
Kvm KiQb| A_vr GUv njv cvUbviwkc h, Avcbviv GK AciK
mewKQzZ memgqB cvk cveb| wekvm KiZ cvieb|
cvUbviwkc Movi AvMB AvcbvK wPv KiZ nehvK Avwg
cvUbvi KiwQ Zvi mv_ Avwg PjZ cviev wK bv| KviY, hvK wekvm
KiZ cvieb bv Zvi mv_ Avcbvi eemv ewkw`b Pje bv| AvR
njI fvOe, Kvj njI fvOe|
h_ eemvi Avgv`i mgmv nQAvgiv GLbv mvgev`x
ev ZvjyK`vwi `wfw aviY KiwQ, mNi `wfw wbq PjZ cviwQ bv|
Avgiv gb KwiAvwg Avgvi gZb eywS, Avwg Pjev Avgvi gZv| Avi
Gi djB Avgiv eo wKQy KiZ cvwi bv|
A_P `Lyb B Bwqv KvvwbK| 1600 mvj Kvvwb cwZwZ
njv, Zvi `ok eQi ci 1757 mvj Zviv GB Dcgnv`k `Lj
Kijv Ges 1857 mvj wmcvnx wec-ei ci B Bwqv Kvvwb
Dcgnv`ki gZv nvivjv|
A_vr GKUv Kvvwb 1757 mvj _K 1857 mvj ch 100 eQi
GKUv Dcgnv`k `Lj Ki _vKjv| KZ cRb GB Kvvwb PjQ
Avgiv Lye mnR eySZ cvwi| hvivB GB mN-mswZ AbymiY KiQ
ZvivB cw_exi wbqK nqQ|
ck : fewQjvg eemv i Kiev| wK Avgvi Pnviv `Lj mevB
Kgb Ki hb eyS djAvgvK VKvbv hvq| Kx Kiev eyS DVZ
cviwQ bv|
Di : hw` eemv Kivi hvMZv _vK Avi AvcbvK `L hw` gb nq
h, AvcbvK VKvbv hvq Zvnj Zv Lye fvjv| Avcwb Rbb Lye
mijZvi fvb KiZ _vKzb| Abiv fvee h, Zviv AvcbvK VKvQ|
Avmj VKQ m wbR| GUv Zv GKUv eo Y h, KvDK `L gb
nq ZvK VKvbv hvq wK Avmj m Zv bq Ges m Ab`i G
AwfmwUv eySZI cvi| Avi GiKg ZvK KDB VKvZ cvi
bv| Dv h VKvZ Pvq m-B VK hvq|
202

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

ck : Avwg GKRb eemvqx, `yBUv eemv cwZvbi ga GKUvZ

me`v GKUz mgmv jM _vK| wK mB cwZvbwU AvKvi eo A_vr
wewbqvM ewk| Avwg Kx KiZ cvwi? `qv Ki Rvbvj DcKZ nev|
Di : eo cwZvbi evcvi Aviv gbvhvMx nZ ne| gbvhvMx
njB mgmv mgvavbi c_ ewiq Avme| A_vr hLvbB mgmv
mLvbB Aviv ewk gbvhvM w`Z ne|
ck : AvMvgx gvm Avwg weRbm i KiZ hvwQ| gb Rvi cvwQ bv|
fq nQ hw` jvKmvb nq? fq Avwg NygvZ cvwi bv| Kx Kiev?
Di : Avmj wbRi gbi fZi AvM mvnm AvbZ ne| wekvm
AvbZ ne| fq cvIqv gvbB nQ wbRi Ici wekvmi Afve
iqQ| wekvm hLb Avme ZLb fqUv GgwbZB KU hve| mvnm
KiZ bv cvij KD KLbv eo KvR KiZ cvi bv| Avmj hywmZ
mxgvi ga KvbvUvB SuywK bq hw` wekvm Ges mvnm _vK| KviY
Avcwb Ggb wKQy KiZ hvQb bv hUv Gi AvM KD Ki wb| Gi
AvM hnZz KD bv KD ciQ AZGe AvcwbI cvieb| KvRB
jvKmvbi SuywK bq, Avcbvi AMZ fqB nQ Avcbvi evav|
Avi eemvq hw` Avcwb GB wbqZ wbq bvgZ cvib h, Avcwb
Avcbvi KvqU`i mev `eb, Avcbvi Kgx`i GKUv fvjv
Kgmsvbi myhvM `eb Zvnj AvcbvK KLbv jvKmvbi fq
fxZ nZ ne bv| GKUv D`vniY `B|
wekweLvZ cvbvmwbK Kcvikbi cwZvZv KbmywK gvZmywkZv
RbwQjb 1894 mvj cwg Rvcvbi GK cZ Mvg| Ryqvwo evevi
AcwiYvg`wkZvi dj mewKQy LyBq cwieviwU hLb c_ emZ hvwQjv
ZLb AvU fvB-evbi ga mevi QvU bq eQi eqmx gvZmywkZv
evBmvBKji `vKvb dzUdigvki KvR Ki aib cwievii nvj|
wKQyw`bi gaB mwU Qo hvM `b ImvKv jvBU KvvwbZ| `Zv
I wekZvi KviY GKi ci GK c`vbwZ cq Bcii c`
DbxZ njI ^c wQjv Zvi Aviv eo| fvebv wQjv gvbylK Kxfve
Aviv mev `qv hvq| Dveb Kijb bZzb GK aibi jvBU-mKU,
ce 2 \ mvdj

203

cPwjZjvi Pq hv AbK fvjv|

wK gvwjK Gi Drcv`b ivwR njb bv| AMZvej ej Avcb
ej| PvKwi Qo w`jb| x Ges wZbRb gv mnKvix wbq gvZmywkZv
i Kijb Zvi wbR^ cwZvb| A_ bB, eemv Kivi AwfZv bB
Ges cvwZvwbK jLvcov ev BjKwUK evj Drcv`b KvbviKg
AwfZv bBGgb mnKvix`i wbq GKUvbv KqK gvm KvRi ci
Zviv mdj njb| Drcv`b Zv njv| wK wew KiZ wMq `Lv
w`jv wecw| cvBKvwi weZviv Zvi cY wbZ PvBjv bv cwigvY Kg
ej| jM _vKjb gvZmywkZv| YMZ gvb evwoq w`jb| `vg
Kgvjb 50%| cwKvq cYi wevcb `qvi Awfbe Dcvq wZwbB
c_g Pvjy Kib| Ki evoZ jvMjv Zvi wew|
1922 mvj bvMv` gvZmywkZvi cwZvb cwZgvmB bZzb bZzb cY
wbq nvwRi nZ jvMjv| eemv gvZmywkZv w`jb GK hyMvKvix
aviYv| cwZhvwMZvq wUKZ nj evRvi cPwjZ cYi Pq AZ
30% fvjv cY w`Z ne Avi `vg KgvZ ne AZ 30%| AvdUvi
mj mvwfm `qvi aviYvwU gvZmywkZvB Pvjy Kib|
Kgx`i wZwb wbR cwievii m`m ej fveZb| gnvg`vi mgq
Kvvwbjv hLb Kgx QuvUvB Ki g`v gvKvejvi Pv KiwQjv
gvZmywkZv ZLb Drcv`b Kgx`i weqKvR wbqvwRZ Ki Pv
KiQb QuvUvB bv Ki Kxfve Pjv hvq| m mgq Kgx`i Avaejv
KvR KivjI eZb w`Zb cyivejvi| GB fvjevmvi cwZ`vbI wZwb
cqQb| wZxq wekhyi ci wgevwnbxi AwfhvMi gyL Kvvwb
cavbi c` Qo w`Z njI Zvi KgxivB ZvK Avevi wdwiq
Avb KvvwbZ| wZwb ejZb, GKwU wkcwZvb ay Zvi
kqvinvvi`i ^v_B iv Kie bv, iv Kie mgvRi ^v_I|
Avcwb hw` gb Ki _vKbGZ `vb-`wYv Ki gvZmywkZvi Kx
jvf njv, Zvnj fyj Kieb| 1989 mvj 94 eQi eqm gZzi mgq
Zvi ewMZ m`iB cwigvY wQjv wZb wewjqb Wjvi| 20 nvRvi
KgxmgZ Zvi cwZvb wQjv weki mePq jvfRbK BjKUwbK
Kvvwb| AvgwiKvi Kvbv wfwmAvi wewi `vKvb wMq hw` Avcwb
ev wfwmAvi LuvRb Zvnj `Leb mejvB gvZmywkZvi|
AvcwbI GB `wfw wbq KvR bg cob| KLbv jm Kieb bv|
204

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

ck : Avwg BUi eemv KiZ PvBwQ| wK Avwg gwnjv| Avgvi c G

eemv KZUzKz kvfb ne?
Di : GUv KvqvUvg MvRyqUmyjf Kvbv K_v njv bv| KviY Avwg
e gwnjvK BU fvOZ `LwQ| Avi Avcwb Zv BUi eemv Kieb|
gwnjviv hw` BU nvZzwo w`q wcwUq uov uov KiZ cvi Avi Avcwb
BUi eemv KiZ cvieb bv GUv GKUv K_v? Ze eve BUfvUv
PvjvZ nj AbK Sw cvnvZ nq| Gi Pq Aviv AbK aibi
eemv AvQ, hv Kiv Avcbvi Rb mnR ne|

kqvi eemv
ck : kqvi eemv Kiv wK nvivg? Avgvi eo fvB kqvi eemv Kib|
wKQy jvK ej, GwU bvwK jUvwii gZv| Avevi KD ej, kqvi eemv
Kiv Avi my` LvIqv mgvb| `qv Ki ejeb, Avmj GUv Kx?
Di : Avmj kqvii `ywU AvQ| GKwU nQ cvBgvwi kqvi|
cvBgvwi kqvi mvaviYZ Kg SuzwKi| hgb, Avcwb Kvbv Kvvwbi
GKwU kqvi wKbjb| Kvvwb jvf Kij Avcwb jvf cveb, jvf bv
Kij Avcwb jvf cveb bv| GwU A_ wewbqvMi GKwU gvag| ZvB
cvBgvwi kqvii welqwU AbiKg| Avi mvaviYfve kqvi eemv
ejZ evSvq kqvi gvKU hv AZ SuywKc~Y| GwU jUvwi bv, GwU md
Ryqv| hKvbv gyn~Z Ryqvi gZv Avcbvi UvKv bvB nq hZ cvi|
wZxqZ, mviv cw_exZ kqvi gvKU nQ gvwdqv Pi wbqY|
GwU kvlK`i kvlYi GKwU duv`| gvbylK KgwegyL Ki Zvjvi
duv`| Avgv`i `k kqvi gvKU cwZw`b cvq nvRvi KvwU UvKvi
jb`b nQ| A_bxwZZ Gi Ae`vbUv Kx? nvRvi KvwU UvKvi Zv
Kvbv wk Mo DVQ bv|
GKmgq gwZwSji ivvq `uvwoq G kqvi ePvKbv Kiv nZv|
GLb jvKRb Gwm ig em KwDUviB kqvi KbvePv KiQ|
GKkYxi kgwegyL jvK mvivw`b gwbUii w`K ZvwKq _vKQ, PvKwd LvQ Avi MRe KiQ| mvivw`b Zv`i Avi Kvbv KvR
ce 2 \ mvdj

205

bB| 2010 mvj bvMv` cvq 34 j jvK bvwK GB kqvi gvKUi

mv_ RwoZ nqQ, hviv Drcv`bgyLx Kvbv KvR KiQ bv|
AwaKvsk kqvi gvKU wewbqvMKZ G UvKvi Drm nQ
we`k _K AvZxq^Rb`i cvVvbv A_| kixii i Nvg Ki hviv
`k UvKv cvVvQb, Zv`i ^Rbiv G UvKvjv AvM RvqMvRwg
wKbZ wewbqvM KiZv, hv GLb kqvi gvKU wewbqvM KiQ| nVvr
GKw`b Zviv `LQ h, cyiv UvKvUv kl nq MQ| AZGe, kqvi
eemv nvivg bv nvjvjG welq gIjvbv mvne hviv AvQb, Zviv
dZvqv `eb| eveZv njv, Gi Pq SuzwKc~Y wewbqvM Avi bB|
kqvi evRviK GK K_vq Ryqv evRviB ejv hvq|
Avcbvi KvwRZ m` b Kivi mePq mnR Dcvq GwU| Avcbvi
UvKv Pj hve H gvwdqv Pi nvZ| KviY Zv`i UKwbKUv Lye
mnR| Zviv GKwU kqvii `vg evovZ _vK, hvi Avmj Kvbv g~jB
bB| mUv wbRiv wKbZ _vK| Gfve mB kqvii `vg evoZ
_vK| mvaviY gvbyl ZLb H kqvii cwZ AvMnx nq| Gici hviv
cwiKbv Ki `vg evwoqwQjv Zviv mB kqviUv wew KiZ _vK
Avi gvbyl wKbZ _vK| hLb Zv`i KvQ _vKv kqvijv me gvbyli
nvZ Pj hvq ZLb nVvr Ki Gi `vg co hvq| dj hviv ewk `vg
w`q wKbwQjv Zv`i UvKvjv ZLb KvMR cwiYZ nq hvq|
ZvB memgq gb ivLZ ne h, UvKv I kgG `yUv hLb GKwZ
nq ZLb Zv nq cuywR, ZLb Zv dmj `q| Avi kg Qvov h UvKv mUv
KLbv cuywRZ icvwiZ nq bv| ZvB Zv`i UvKv b neB| KviY G
UvKvi cQb Kvbv kg bB| AZGe kqvi evRvi _K wbR `~i
_vKeb| weiZ ivLvi Pv Kieb Avcbvi cwiwPZ`iI|
1994 mvj _K Avgiv mvaviY gvbylK mPZb Ki h K_vjv
ej AvmwQ, mcwZ kqvi gvKU GB NUbvjviB evewP
cwZdwjZ nQ| A_bxwZi fvlvq kqvievRvi GLb gnvg`vi Kej
coQ| eQii c_g _K Uvbv cuvP gvm ai G Aev PjQ| cyuwR
nvwiq m~~Y wbt^ nqQb jvL jvL wewbqvMKvix| cuywR nvwiq
AbKB KiQb AvZnZv| ivRc_ fvOPzi, jvwVcUv, cywjki
aicvKoI Kg nq wb| wK wewbqvMKvixiv cuywR wewbqvMi bvg hw`
G Ryqvq bv RovZb Zvnj G KiY cwiYwZZ coZ nZv bv|
206

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

ck : Avwg Ges Avgvi ^vgx`yRbB PvKwiRxex| Avgv`i mxwgZ Avq

_K eq Ges `vb Kwi| wK D mq Avgvi ^vgx kqvi evRvi
ivLb| Avgvi AwbQvmI wZwb kqvi evRvi wewbqvM evovQb|
Avgvi LyeB Awcq GKwU wRwbmwWU KvWi ej eenvi KiQb|
hyw-ZK ci IVv KwVb nq coQ| KviY ^ cyuwRZ Kvbv eemv
me nQ bv| wZwb evsK UvKv dj ivLZ PvQb bv| Avgv`i
cvBfU PvKwii wbqZv bBGme ej wZwb kqvi evRvi Aevb `p
KiZ Pvb| G evcvi Avgvi KiYxq Kx? KvqvwUqvi wnme e
_vKvq Ab eemvI KiZ cviwQ bv| wbRi mq ivLvi Dcvq Kx?
Di : Avcwb Ges Avcbvi ^vgx`yRbB PvKwiRxex| PvKwi Kivi ciI
AvcbvK hw` Ab eemvI KiZ nq Zvnj Avcwb msmvii w`K
gbvhvM `eb KLb?
wZxqZ, AbKB ejb h, cvBfU PvKwii wbqZv bB| Avmj
eveZv njv, evwnK ev eMZ wKQy KLbv gvbylK wbqZv w`Z cvi
bv| wbqZvi Abyf~wZ Avm fZi _K| AvMvgxKvj Avcwb euP
_vKeb ZviI Zv Kvbv wbqZv bB| RxebiB hLvb wbqZv bB
mLvb m` KLbv wbqZv w`Z cvi bv| wbqZvi gvwjK nQb
mv| wZwb hvK Lywk wbqZv w`Z cvib, hvK Lywk cvPzh w`Z
cvib| GUv Zuvi BQv|
ZZxq welq nQkqvi evRvi| kqvi evRvi mK GLb Avi
bZzb Ki ejvi wKQy bB| Avgiv MZ 18 eQi ai kqvi evRvi
mK ej AvmwQ| ejwQjvg h, GKw`b `Leb, Avcbvi UvKv
KvMR nq MQ| hw` UvKv KvMR nq hvq, Zvnj Avcbvi G wbqZv
Kv_vq _vKe? GwU AvcbvK eis Aviv AwbqZvi ga wbq hve|
PZz_ welq nQ h, Avcbvi ^vgxK evSvZ cviQb bv| Avcwb
evSvbvi Pv KiQb, Avcbvi hv KiYxq Zv KiQb| ZvK mZK
Ki w`qQb, Gici Avcbvi Avi wKQy Kivi bB| ZvK eve wKQy
ejv A_nxb| GLb hv wKQy Kivi gwWUkb Kgv mUvi wMq
Kieb| Kgv mUvi Gb Avcbvi ^vgxK evSvb h, G KvRjv
wZKi, Gjv Kiv _K weiZ _vKv| Gfve GB KvRi cwiYwZ
mK ZvK wbqwgZ evSvZ _vKzb|
ce 2 \ mvdj

207

Kgmvb
ck : Avwg GKwU GbwRI-Z Rqb KiZ hvwQ| wK Avgvi BQv
evsK Rqb Kiv Ges GKRb mdj evsKvi nIqv| Zvnj Avwg wK
gbQwe _K `~i A_ev mwVK c_ bB? Avgvi wK evsK PvKwi bv
nIqv ch Acv Kiv DwPZ? GLb RxweKvi Rb hKvbv c_ XyK
hvIqv Riwi| GB wmvnxbZv Kxfve KvUvev?
Di : Avcwb hw` wmv wbq _vKb h PvKwi Kieb, Zvnj Avcbvi
dv vUwR nIqv DwPZ hKvbv PvKwiZ XyK hvIqv| AbKmgq
Avgiv cQ`mB PvKwii Rb Acv Kwi| gb Kwi, GKwU wbw`
gvbi ev eZbi PvKwi bv nj Kiev bv| Aviv fvjv wKQyi Acvq
myhvM nvZQvov Kwi| ci AbK `Lv hvq h, Gi Pq fvjv
myhvM Gjv bv, eis h myhvMUv wQjv mUvI nvZQvov nq Mj|
Gi Pq eis c_g myhvMB PvKwiZ XyK cob, weklZ hw` mUv
Awdmvi`i GwU jfji nq| Kivwb jfj XyKj Icii w`K
IVv Lye KwVb Ges GB PvKwiUvK Avcbvi Ici IVvi wmuwo wnme
eenvi Kib| KviY PvKwi evRvi GKRb eKvi gvbyli Pq KvR
KiQ Ggb gvbyli iZ memgqB ewk| ZvB c_g h myhvMUv
Avme IUvK MnY Kib Ges c_g myhvMB cwieZb Kib|
AZGe, GbwRI-Z hvM`vb njv mvgwqK c`c| GbwRI-Z
hvM`vb KivUv gbQwei c_ Kvbv Aivq bq| evsKi PvKwii Rb
hvMvhvM ivLeb, Pv Kieb| hLb evsK PvKwi ne, Pj hveb|
ck : Avwg gvvm kl Ki GKwU Bswjk wgwWqvg zj PvKwi KiwQ|
wK GLvb _vKZ fvjv jvMQ bv| Avevi Qo w`Z cviwQ bv fvjv
myhvM cvwQ bv ej| mgmv njv AwfZv I idvii Afve|
hLvbB hvB, Kgc wZb/ Pvi eQii AwfZv Pvq| Kx Kiev?
Di : AwfZvi Afve bq, Avcwb Bgcm KiZ cviQb bv ej
PvKwi cvQb bv| PvKwi`vZvK GB BgckbUv w`Z cviv Lye iZc~Y
h, Avcwb Zvi cwZvbi cqvRb c~iY KiZ mg| GKRb gvbyl
208

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

hw` gb Ki h, Avcbvi viv Zvi cqvRb c~iY ne, ZvnjB m

AvcbvK PvKwi `e|
GB Bgckb Avcwb ZLbB mw KiZ cvieb hLb Avcbvi
hvMZv I cwZ wbq Avcbvi Kvbv mskq _vKe bv| hLb Avcwb
wekvm Kiebh KvRUv Avcwb PvQb Avcwb Zvi Dchy| wbRi
ga wekvmi GB AbyiYbK cej KiZ cvij Avcwb BUviwfD w`Z
MjB wbevPKiv fveeb, GB Zv! GZY GmQ GKRb|
AZGe PvKwi cvIqvi Rb PvKwi`vZvi h aibi jvK cqvRb
Avcwb wbRK mB AvwK Mo Zzjyb| fZi wekvm mw Kib,
gwWUkb Kib| wbRK Dcvcb Kib webq Ges AvZcZqi
mv_| `Leb, KvwZ PvKwi cq hvQb|
ck : Avwg RMbv_ wekwe`vjq _K gvvm mb KiwQ| GLb Avwg
PvKwii Pv KiwQ| wbRK memgq gvbwmKfve my ivLvi Rb
Kge _vKvi Pv KiwQ hvZ bwZevPKZv, Lvivc wPvfvebv _K
wbRK `~i ivLZ cvwi| wK Avwg wbRK hZB Kge ivLvi Pv
KiwQ, cviwQ bv| G Avgvi Kx KiYxq?
Di : GKRb gvbyl hw` wbRK e ivLZ Pvq Zvnj KvRi Kvbv
Afve nq bv| hKvbv KvR i Kib| Kvbv KvR bv cj Svo
`qv i Kib| Kviv evwoi mvgb Svo w`b KqKw`b ai| Zvi
KZ~nj ne h, G jvKUvi Kx Kvbv KvR bB h, Svo w`Q!
AviKRb Gm nqZv eje, GZ hvMZv wbq Svo w`Q, GK GKUv
fvjv KvR `qv hZ cvi| KviY KvRK Avcwb fvjevmZ i
KiQb| Avcbvi PvKwi nq hve|
Avmj cZKi KvRi jvK `iKvi| Avgv`i PvKwicv_xi
Afve bB wK AvwiK I cwikgx gvbyli Lye Afve| ZvB
bwZevPKZvgy nq wbRK ` Ki Mo Zzjyb| cwikgx nvb|
hvMZv ARb Kib| PvKwi AvcbvK LuyR ei Kie|
ck : BUviwfD w`Z Mj mewKQy fyj hvB| nvZ-cv Kuvc| hv cvwi
wVKgZv Zv-I ejZ cvwi bv| Kx Kiev wKQyB eySZ cviwQ bv|
ce 2 \ mvdj

209

Di : hZw`b ch G fq `~i bv nQ, cZKw`b mKvjejv Ni 100

evi DV-evm KiZ ne| evN-fvj-yK bvwK h, Lq dje? nq PvKwi
`e, bv nq `e bv, Gi Pq Lvivc Avi Kx ne? GKwU
BUviwfDqi K_v ewjGKRb ZiY PvKwii Rb GKUv fuvR Kiv
Lvjv wPiKzU wbq MQ PvKwi`vZvi KvQ| whwb wPwV w`qQb, wZwb
ejQb, GB wPwV wbq hvI| AgyKi mv_ `Lv Ki, PvKwi nq hve|
m K_vgZv wPwV w`qQ| cwZvbi gvwjK wPwVUvi fuvR Lyjjb|
wPwVZ PvL eywjq wRm Kijb, Bqs gvb, GB wPwVZ Kx jLv
AvQ Zv wK Zzwg Rvbv? ZiY ejjv, mvi! GUv AvcbvK jLv wPwV,
Avgvi Rvbvi welq bv| Dwb wPwVUv GwMq w`jb, co, Kx jLv AvQ|
Rvi co, Avwg wb| ZiY wPwV cov i Kijv| wPwVZ jLv AvQ,
QjUv eLvU, Ze avi AvQ| KvR KivZ cvij KvR KiZ cvie|
GB wPwV coI Zv mB ZiYi nvZ-cv Kuvc wb| Dwb ejjb, Gi
ciI Zzwg PvKwii cZvkv Ki? ZiY webqi mv_ ejjv, mvi!
jLvB Zv AvQ h, Avcwb hw` KvR KivZ cvib, Avwg KvR KiZ
cviev| f`jvK AviKevi ZvKvjb, ejjb, wVK AvQ, Zzwg Rqb
Ki| A_vr Rxeb mvnm `iKvi| gb KiZ nenq PvKwi `e, bv
nq `e bv| AZGe fq cvIqvi Kx AvQ?
ck : BUviwfDZ, Re-Gi cixvi mgq AbK Rvbv ck fyj hvB
A_ev mgqi Afve wjLZ cvwi bv|
Di : Zvi gvb Avcbvi cwZi Afve| Abiv Zv wjLQ, Avcwb
cviQb bv Kb? Avcbvi cwZ bB| PvKwi evRvi wbRK Dcvcb
Kivi h c~e-hvMZv cqvRb, m hvMZv Avcbvi bB| AvM hvMZv
ARb KiZ ne| Avi cwZ bqvi ciI BUviwfDq Lvivc Kivi
GKwUB KviY _vKZ cvi, mwU nQbvfvmbm| wbqwgZ gwWUkb
GB bvfvmbmK `~i Ki `q| AvcbvK cwZ wbZ ne Ges wbqwgZ
gwWUkb KiZ ne hvZ Avcwb bvfvm wdj bv Kib|
ck : 55/ 60 eQi eqmi cv_xI hw` PvKwi Kivi hvMZv ivLb,
Zvnj AwfZvmb h KD wK PvKwii Pv Kij mdj ne?
210

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Di : Kb ne bv? PvKwii evRvi ZiY`i `vcU ewk| wK Awf

KgxKI Zv wbqvMKZviv LuyRQb| AZGe wZwb hw` wbRK Dcvcb
KiZ cvib, AekB myhvM cveb|
Avmj Aemi MnYi h aviYv mgvR cPwjZ AvQ mwU cyivcywi
v| 60 eQi njB Aemi MnY eva Kiv GKRb Awf jvKi gZy
civqvbv Rvwi Kivi kvwgj| MelYvq `Lv MQ, gvbyli Rxeb `yUv
mgq gZzi Avkv mePvBZ ewk1. Rbi c_g eQi, 2. h eQi
wZwb Aemi MnY Kib m eQi| G mgqB GKRb gvbyl Zvi Rxebi
mg AwfZvK `k Ges RvwZi KjvY wbqvwRZ KiZ cvib hw`
wZwb kvixwiK I gvbwmKfve mg _vKb|
eveI Avgiv `wLmviv cw_exZ iv I mgvRi i`vwqZ
cvjbKvix`i AwaKvski eqmB 60-Gi Ici| gavi mv_
AwfZvi Ac~e wgkY NU GB eqmB| Ujq, iex`bv_, Gg Gd
mbmn eiY ew`i mRbkxjZvi c~Y weKvk NUQ GB eqmB|
AZGe 55 ev 60 eQi KLbvB gvb` nIqv DwPZ bq| hLb KD
evaKi KviY cyivcywi AhvM nq coQb, ZLb wZwb Aemi MnY
Kieb| Avevi GKRb gvbyl 40/ 50 eQi eqmI kvixwiK ev
gvbwmKfve Ag nq hZ cvib|
ck : mwVK cdkb wbaviY Kiv A_vr Kvb ckvZ hvevmUv wVK
KiZ cviwQ bv| hw`I ev Kvbv cdkb gb gb wVK KwiwK mUv
i Kivi vc cvB bv| vc bv cvIqvi A_ njv mme cwZvb
bvbv KviY KvR Kivi myhvM cvwQ bv|
Di : ckvZ myhvM KD `q bv, myhvM Ki wbZ nq| myhvM Ki
bqvi Rb wbRi hvMvhvMUvK mfve evovZ ne| KviY myhvM
Avmj wmwf Wc Ki nq bv| h hvMZv Avcbvi iqQ mB KvR
hv`i hv`i `iKvi Zv`i KvQ wbRK Dcvcb Kivi KkjUv
RvbZ ne Ges GUv GKUv AvU|
AbK mgq `Zvi mv_ myhvM mwi Rb wKQy KvR webvg~j
Ki w`Z nq| GKUv Qv NUbv ewjZLb wbR WvBf KiZvg|
GKw`b ivvq nVvr PvKv Mj cvsPvi nq| ^vfvweKfve Avgvi GB
ce 2 \ mvdj

211

mv`v cvkvK wbq Mvwoi PvKv Lvjv ek KwVb KvR| wK AvgvK

Zv PvKv Lyj PvKv jvMvZ ne| RvK w`q Lye Nvivbvi Pv KiwQ
wK NyiQ bv|
`~i GKwU jvK `uvwoq wQjv| m GwMq Gjv| ejjv h, mvi,
Avwg AvcbvK GKUy mvnvh Kwi| c_g fvejvg, Kx gZje, Kb
mvnvh Kie? Zvici fvejvg, gZje hv-B _vKzK, G gyn~Z Zvi
mvnvhUv Avgvi `iKvi| eoRvi wKQy eKwkk PvBe|
m PvKv Lyj Lye `Z Avevi jvwMq w`jv| Avwg Zvi cksmv
Kijvg Ges ZvK Lywk nq ^vfvweKfve wKQy UvKv w`Z PvBjvg| m
ejjvbv bv mvi, `Ljvg Avcbvi K nQ, GRb| wRm
Kijvg, Avcwb Kx Kib? ejjv h, Avwg WvBfvi, WvBwfs Kwi|
Avgvi hw` WvBfvii cqvRb nZv, Avwg wK mv_ mv_B ZvK
Advi KiZvg, PvKwi `qvi evcvi Kvbv LuvRLeiI bqvi cqvRb
gb KiZvg bv| KviY m BZvgaB AvgvK Bgcm Ki djQ|
Gi Pq fvjv BUviwfD Avi Kx nZ cvi? m eySZ ciQ h,
Avgvi WvBfvi cqvRb nZ cvi| Ges m wbRi `ZvK mdjfve
Dcvcb KiQ| Avmj wbRK AviKRbi mvgb Dcvcb KiZ
RvbZ ne| G evcvi jvRyK nIqvUv AcqvRbxq| Zvnj `Lv hve
h, myhvMi Kvbv Afve nQ bv|
ck : Avwg BUvibUi gvag wmwf Rgv `B| ewkifvM mgqB Avwg
BUviwfD-Gi Rb Kj cvB bv| Gi KviY nZ cvi Avgvi hvMZvi
Afve ev cPvi Afve| wK ez`i ga _KB hLb `wL Zviv
idvi eenvi Ki BUviwfDZ Kj cvQ A_ev mevi gyL wb
idvi Qvov Kj cvIqv hve bv ZLb Lye nZvk jvM| hLb Abyfe
Kwi RvK aijB mnR PvKwi cvIqv hvq ZLb wmgi Ici Akv
RvM| GB Aevq Kxfve gbi gZv PvKwi cvIqv hZ cvi?
Di : Avmj mviv cw_exZB AwaKvsk PvKwi, weklZ DPc`i
PvKwijv nq idvii m~| Avcwb hw` Avcbvi evmvq GKRb
MnKgxI wbqvM Kib, Avcwb wK Zvi idvi LyuReb bv? GK KD
Pb wK bv, G Kv_vI _K cvwjq GmQ wK bv, Gi evKMvD Kx?
212

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Avmj Z`wei ejb, RvK aiv ejb, idvi ejb, GUvB GLb
wmg Ges PvKwii mvkvj bUIqvwKs ev cwiwPwZ mw GKUv
iZc~Y hvMZv| eve hvMZvi cvkvcvwk GB hvMZvI AvcbvK
ARb KiZ ne| GUv wK gvUB KwVb KvR bq| Avgiv Avgv`i
fZii jv msKvP RoZvi KviY mnR ^Zt~ZZvq Pvicvki
gvbyli mv_ wgkZ cvwi bv| GB RoZvK KvwUq mnR ^Zt~Zfve
Pvicvki gvbyli mv_ wgkjB `Leb AbK gvbylB RvK nIqvi
Rb Acv KiQ| AZGe bZzb bZzb gvbyl`i mv_ gkv, wgk
wbRi cwiPq evovbvUvK Afvm cwiYZ Kib|
ck : `xNw`b covjLvi ci PvKwii Rb cwZ wbqwQ| mevZK
cPv mI KvwZ PvKwi AwRZ njv bv| bZzb Ki cwZ wbZI
fvjv jvM bv| Dj-L, G hveZ cuvPwU evsK fvBfv w`qwQ| wbRi
ga bZzb Ki cvY wdwiq AvbZ cviwQ bv| PvKwi cvIqvUv Avgvi
Rb LyeB `iKvi| GLb Kxfve Gev?
Di : Avmj mgmvUv Avcbvi ga| Kvb PvKwi Kxfve nq Ges
evsK PvKwi cZ nj Kx Kx hvMZv jvM Zv Zv AvcbvK RvbZ
ne| mevZK cPv Avcwb Pvjvb wb| cuvPwU evsK fvBfv w`qB gb
KiQb mevZK cPv PvwjqQb| Avmj Zv bq| fvBfv w`q GjB
PvKwi nq hvq bv| Zv cvBfU evsK nvK Avi miKvwi evsK nvK|
Avmj fvBfv `qvUv Zv iZc~Y bv, Avcwb fvBfv-Z Bgcm
KiZ cviQb wK bv, GUv nQ iZc~Y| hiKg wfmvZ mgmv nq
Kb? AwaKvsk KvMRc GK b^i njI wfmvcv_xi Pnviv
`Lj gb Ki `yB b^i jvK| fZi Avb bB, fZi AvZwekvm
bB| Avgiv hvB Pvii gZv| dj wfmv `q bv|
Avcbvi I Zv-B NUQ| fvBfv evWK Avcwb Bgcm KiZ
cvib wb| AvcbvK `L Zv`i gb nq wb h, H cwZvbi Rb
Avcbvi gZv ZiYi cqvRb AvQ| hgb, Avgv`i GK MvRyqU
GKwU eRvwZK KvvwbZ fvBfv w`Z MQ| ZLbv Zvi cixvi
iRv nq wb| ZvB GUv wQjv Zvi Rxebi c_g fvBfv| BUviwfD
evWi whwb cavb, wZwb wRm Kijb, GB cwZvb h Zzwg AvmZ
ce 2 \ mvdj

213

PvI, Zvgvi j Kx? Ibvi PqviUv `wLq m Lye wbtmsKvP ejjv,

mvi, GB PqviUv| Re nq Mj Zvi| wK m Rqb Kijv bv|
ejjv, mvi, GLb ch Avgvi mvwUwdKU Avm wb| Zviv ejjv,
Kvbv Amyweav bvB| Zzwg ej h, cvm KiQv Ges Rqb Ki| wK m
ejjv, bv, Avcbviv hw` Acv Kib, Avgvi mvwUwdKU Gj Avwg
Rqb KiZ cvwi| A_vr GB BgckbUv Lye iZc~Y|
hgb, wfmvi Rb hvQb hLb, GKUv WvgKqvi fve wbq
hvebnq `e, bv nq `e bv| w`j fvjv, bv w`j Aviv fvjv|
hvIqvi Svgjv _K euP Mjvg| Gi Pq Lvivc wKQy Zv Avi ne
bv| KvRB fq cvIqvi Kx AvQ? A_vr GB `wfwUv ivLeb h, nj
fvjv, bv nj Aviv fvjv| ZvnjB whwb `bIqvjv, wZwb `eb|
AZGe Bgcm Kivi cwZ wbq hveb| wbRi fZi wekvm wbq
hveb| AvcbvK `L hb gb nq Zj gv_v| Zj _vKzK A_ev bv
_vKzK| KviY Zj `qv nq Zj gv_vq|
A_vr Avcwb wKm Pob GUv iZc~Y bv, AvcbvK `L hb gb
nq Avcwb hKvbv wKQyZ PoZ cvib| Avevi bv PojI wKQy Avm
hvq bv| hw` cqmvi Afve wiKkvqI hvb ZLb hb gb nq h, dvkb
Ki wiKkvq GmQb| Zvnj jvKRb Avcbvi cKU UvKv `e|
Rxeb KqUv fvBfvi gLvgywL njb Gi Pq iZc~Y njv KvbUvZ
Avcwb Bgcm KiZ ciQb| Avi Gi Rb gwWUkb KiZ ne|
wbRi fZi wekvmUvK evovZ ne| fZii kwK RvMvZ ne|
ck : hvMvhvM ev KwgDwbKU KiZ cvwi bv| ckvMZ Abi
KvQ wbRK MnYhvM Ki ZzjZ cvwi bv| Kx KiYxq?
Di : ckvMZ Zv eUB, hKvbv B mdj nZ nj GB
hvMvhvM I cwiwPwZ mwi iZ Acwimxg| Avgiv AbK mgq GZ
ewk AvZKw`K nq DwV h, Abi mv_ hvMvhvM, Abi
mnhvwMZv PvIqvK gb Kwi AvZghv`vevai jNb| Avmj Zv bq|
GKRb weLvZ wmBI Zvi AvZRxebxZ ejQbRbmshvM ev
cwiwPwZ Kxfve ZvK AvRKi Aevb wbq GmQ| GKwU wj
KviLvbvq kwgKi PvKwi KiZb Zvi evev| Kvvwbi wmBI-i mv_
214

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

KvRi m~ Zvi mivmwi Kvbv hvMvhvM wQjv bv ^vfvweKfveB|

wK wZwb wbRi cwiPq w`jb Ges myhvM cjB Zvi mv_ `Lv Ki
civgk wbZb| GZ mB wmBI-i GKRb nfvRb wZwb icvwiZ
njb| GB hvMvhvMK KvR jvwMqB wZwb Zvi Qji Rb
jviwkc covi myhvM Ki wbjb Ges evevi c`v AbymiY KiB
RbmshvM mPZb Qj wbRB GLb GKRb wmBI|
wbRK hw` Dcvcb KiZ bv cvib, Zvnj AbK gav I
mvebv wbqI Avcwb ewk `~i GZ cvieb bv| cqvRb wbRi KvQ
wbRK MnYhvM Kiv, AvZwekvm I Avv ARb Kiv| cqvRbxq Y
I `Zv ARb KiZ ne, wbijmfve jM _vKZ ne Ges memgq
kLvi Rb DbyL _vKZ ne Avi gwWUkb KiZ ne| wekl Ki
wkw_jvqb Ges nI DbZ wkiG `yUv gwWUkb wbqwgZ Kib|
`LebwKQyw`bi gaB Avcwb GK AMZ kwZ DxweZ
nQb| ZLb hKvbv cwiek h Kviv mvgbB wbRK MnYhvM
Ki ZzjZ cviQb|
ck : wewfb RvqMvq PvKwii Rb cixv w`q Pv bv cq Avwg GLb
AbKUvB nZvk| eKviZ _K Avwg Kxfve gyw cZ cvwi?
Di : Avmj Avcwb PvKwi PvQb, KvR PvQb bv| Zvi gvb Avcwb
hvMZv mw Kib wb| hvMZv mw Kij PvKwi bv nIqvi Kvbv
KviY bB| hw` KvR KiZ Pvb, KvR Kb ne bv? Avcwb hw` cwikg
KiZ Pvb cwikgi myhvM Pvb, Kb cveb bv? wbRi Ici Avv
ivLZ ne, wbRK wekvm KiZ ne Ges wbRK hvM Ki ZzjZ
ne| PvKwi Avcbvi KvQ Avme| Avgv`i AbK MvRyqU GKUv
BUviwfDZB PvKwi cq MQb| wbqwgZ gwWUkb Kieb| wbRi
fZi wekvm mw Kieb Ges cwikg Kivi Rb Zwi _vKeb|
AekB Avcwb eKviZ _K gyw cveb|
Avi hw` 12 Nv/ 14 Nv cwikg KiZ Pvb h, Avwg KvR PvB,
PvKwi bv, Zvnj dvDkb AvQ| Avgiv mvaviYZ miKvwi PvKwi PvB|
KviY Avgiv gb Kwi ILvb Zgb KvR KiZ nq bv| Avi `yB njv,
w`b GK mgq MjB njv| emK Zj gviZ cvijB njv| wZb
ce 2 \ mvdj

215

nQ, eZbi cvkvcvwk wKQy Dcwi cvIqv hve| GB `wfw _K

ewiq AvmZ ne|
Avgiv Zv dvDkb KvR Kivi gvbyl cvwQ bv| Avgv`i AbK
KvR Avgiv KiZ cviwQ bv KvRi gvbyli Afve| KviY cwikgwcq
gvbyli GLbv Lye Afve|

mdj Kvwiqvii m~ \ KvRK fvjevmv

ck : Avwg GjGjwe Kgwc-U KiwQ Ges GK eQi KvU KvRI KiwQ|
wK GB ckvi cwZ Avgvi Kvbv fvjevmv Rbvq wb| hvi dj Avgvi
GWfvKUwkc mb` cixvI Avkvbyic nq wb| MZ Qq gvm hver Avwg
Avi KvU hvwQ bv| eZgvb GKUv cvBfU KvvwbZ gvUvgywU
eZbi GKUv PvKwii K_v dvBbvj nq AvQ| Avwg `vUvbvq fyMwQ|
`qv Ki AvgvK mwVK civgk `eb| Dj-L h, mvbRbK GKwU
KvR hvM `qv Avgvi Rb GKv Riwi|
Di : ckvq DbwZ KiZ nj nq KvRK fvjevmZ ne, bv nq
KvR Avm nZ ne| hvK BsiwRZ ej IqvKvnwjK| A_vr
KvR m cQ` KiQ bv, wK KvR bv Kij Zvi fvjv jvM bv| hZ
wmBIGiv KvRK hZUv bv fvjevm, Zvi Pq KvRi evcvi
bkvM| Avi KvRK fvjevmv njv KvRUvK cQ` Kiv Ges `vwqZi
cwZ AbyMZ Ges KZecivqY nq KvR Kiv|
Avcbvi Awdm hvIqvi nqZv mgq AvQ, wK Awdm _K divi
mgq wVK Kie Avcbvi cwZvb, Avcbvi em| hw` Avcwb Kib,
Zvnj ne bv| Avcbvi em eivevi AvM hw` Avcwb ewiq hvb Ze
cvBfU Awdm Avcbvi DbwZ ne bv KLbv| em fveeb, Gi nqZv
evmvi cwZ Uvb ewk| nqZv Avcbvi Ab hvMZv _vKj wZwb PvKwi
Lveb bv| Zv bv nj PvKwiI Lq djeb| A_vr em hvZ Abyfe
Kib h, GB AwdmK Avcwb Zvi gZvB cQ` Kib| eveI
KgRxeb mdj cwZwU ewi Awdm hvIqvi mgq AvQ wK eivevi
wbw` mgq bvB| hZ eo em ZZ ewk mgq Zviv Awdm Kib|
hgb, AvgwiKvi mveK wgwWqv gvNj UW Uvbvii K_v aib|
216

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Lye mvgvb _K i Ki wZwb wmGbGb-Gi gZv cwZvb KiQb

Ges GB cwZvb MoZ wMq wZwb 12 eQi wbRi evmvq hvb wb| w`bivZ AwdmB KvwUqQb| Zvi mv_ `Lv KiZ nj x Awdm Gm
`Lv Ki hZb| wZwb mfve covkvbv KiZ cvib wb wK ZvK
AbK wekwe`vjq mvbm~PK wcGBPwW c`vb KiQ| 75/ 76Uv wWwM
MnYi ci evwKjv Dwb mgqi Afve MnY KiZ cvib wb| GgbwK
cvwievwiK Rxeb Zvi x-I ZvK Qo Pj MQb| GgbB
IqvKvnwjK wQjb wZwb| ckv ZvK elwqK cwZ`vb w`qQ| AZGe
ckvq fvjv KiZ nj nq bkvMi gZv KvR KiZ ne| bqZv
KvRUvB nZ ne Avcbvi c_g fvjevmv|
ck : Avwg GKRb wiwmckwb| gvS gvSB Kvwiqvi wbq
nxbbZvq fywM h, Avwg QvU KvR Kwi|
Di : Avmj Kvbv ckvB QvU bq| hgb, wiwmckwb ckvK
Avgiv AbKB nqZv Lye Aenjvi `wZ `wL| Avmj wiwmckwb
nIqv DwPZ mePq ` gvbylUvi, KviY Zvi Ici wbfi KiQ
cwZvbi BgR| A_P hvi wkvMZ hvMZv Kg, h Avi wKQy KiZ
cvi bv ZvK Avgiv wiwmckb ewmq `B| GUv nQ v `wfw|
hgb, nvmcvZvji GKRb wiwmckwb| wZwb hw` Zvi KvRUvK
fvjevmb Ges AvwiKZvi mv_ bb, Zvnj wZwb AbK eo mevi
myhvM wbZ cvib| hLbB Kvbv ivMx GjvivMxK, Zvi
GUbWUK cqvRbxq Z_ `qv BZvw` KvR GKRb wiwmckwb
hfve KiZ cvib Avi KD mfve cvib bv| Avi hw`
AvwiKfve KvRUvK bv bb, Zvnj KvRi gvb HiKgB ne|
Avi GKUv wRwbm gb ivLeb, Kvwiqvi wbq Avcbvi nZvkv ZLbB
KvUe hLb Avcwb QvU _K i Kivi gvbwmKZv ivLeb| Avcwb
Acv KiZ cvieb Ges bxie KvR Ki hZ cvieb|
ck : Avwg Avgvi cwZvb wiwmckb ewm Ges Avgvi `vwqZwUK Lye
fvjevwm| `vwqZ cvjb Ges KvRi cwZ fvjevmv Ges Avmwi ga
mxgv wbaviY Kiev Kxfve?
ce 2 \ mvdj

217

Di : KvR Kij fvjv jvMGwU nQ fvjevmv, Avi KvR bv Kij

fvjv jvM bvGwU nQ Avmw| GKRb gv`Kvm hgb gv`K meb
bv Ki _vKZ cvi bv, Kgvm ewI Zgwb KvR bv Ki _vKZ
cvib bv| Abfve ejZ Mj hKvbv `vwqZ hLb ggZvi mv_
cvjb Kiv nq ZLb GUv nQ fvjevmv| Avi hLb AfvmekZ,
^qsPvwjZ hi gZv KvRUv Ki hvIqv nq ZLb GUv nQ Avmw|
Avcwb hw` wiwmckwb-Gi KvRK fvjevmb Zvnj Avcbvi
cwZvb hviv AvmQb Zv`i cwZ ggZv Abyfe Kieb, hvi hv Z_ I
w`K-wb`kbv cqvRb Avb`i mv_ Zv Rvbveb| nqZv KD dg
c~iY KiZ cviQb bv, ZvK mvnvh Kieb| wK Avcwb hw` KvRK
fvjv bv evmb Zvnj eKvewK Kieb, wK, GLbv dg c~iY njv bv?
A_vr Avcbvi KvRi YMZ gvb _KI evSv hve Avcwb KvRK
fvjevmQb, bv KvRi cwZ Avm| Avm nj nqZv cPzi mgq w`Z
cvib, wK KvRi mRbkxjZv _vKe bv, Avb` ev Zw _vKe bv|
ck : AbK mgq `Lv hvq h, hv`i `wfw BwZevPK Zv`i Ici
Kg AZwaK KvRi Pvc Avm| m wK `wfwZ Kvbv
cwieZb Kiv hvq? m Kxic nIqv DwPZay wekvmB wK GKgv
Aej^b bvwK wekvmi mv_ KvqvUvg cwZi wbqwgZ Abykxjb
AZvekK? eywSq ejyb|
Di : e jvK AvQ hviv KvR Kivi Kvbv myhvMB cvq bv| KvRi
Pvc Zv`i IciB Avm hviv KvR cvi, hv`i Ici gvbyli Avv
AvQ| gvbyli GB AvvB Zv`i Kg Icii w`K wbq hvq| hZ
`vwqZ evo, ZZ wZwb Icii w`K hZ _vKb| AZGe KvRi
PvcK Avkxev` wnme MnY Kib| GRb Kwiqv Av`vq Kib Ges
kgvb` KvR Kib|
ck : ckvMZ Rxeb Zgb Kvbv mgmv bB| KviY Avwg h welqi
Ici covkvbv KiwQ m mveR wijUW Re KiwQ| KvRi cwiek
fvjv| gq`i wmwKDwiwU I mvb AvQ| wbavwiZ mgq eZb
cvIqv hvq| Ze GKUv AZwAvwg h welq KvR KiwQ m welq
218

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Awdmi em _K i Ki Kviv Kvbv aviYv bB| Avwg fvjv KiwQ

bv g` KiwQ, mUvI Zviv Rvbb bv| w`bi ci w`b hw` KvR duvwK
`B Zey KD UiI cve bv, GB evcviUv Lvivc jvM|
Di : w`bi ci w`b hw` KvR duvwK `B Zey KD UiI cve bv,
GB evcviUv Lvivc jvM| GB h Lvivc jvM, GUv AZ iZc~Y
Ges GUvB GKRb gvbylK AbK Ici Zzj w`Z cvi| Avwg KvR
duvwK w`wQ wK bv GUv Avgvi em bv eySZ cvi wK Avgvi fZii h
AiZg Avwg m Zv eySZ cviQ Ges Gi KvQB Avwg Avmj
`vqx| h gvbyl KvR duvwK `q bv, KvR ZvK Kvbvw`b duvwK `q bv|
Avi h gvbyl KvR duvwK `q, KvR ZvK memgq duvwK `q| KviY
cKwZ nQ wbgg cwZkva MnYKvix Ges cKwZ nQ mevg
cwZ`vbKvix| Avgv`i AwfZv _K ejZ cvwi, h gvbyl ckvq
KLbv duvwK `q wb, ckvq m mevP mvbi AwaKvix nqQ Avi h
duvwK w`qQ, GKUv mgq wbRi duvK wbRB co MQ|
Avwg e cwZvb PvKwi KiwQ| KvR cQ` nvK ev bv nvK,
Avgvi w`K _K KLbv Kvbv duvwK wQjv bv| AbK mgq hv`i
Rb KvR KiwQ Zviv AvgvK cwZ`vb `q wb, wK cKwZ AvgvK
cwZ`vb w`qQ memgq|
Avgvi Lye fvjv jvMQ GB mPZbZv| hLvb KvR Kib, Avcwb
emK cQ` bv KiZ cvib, Avcwb KvRKI cQ` bv KiZ cvib,
wK hZY cwZvb KvR KiQbAvcbvi hZUzKz Kivi Avcwb Ki
`eb| Avcwb Kvbvw`b duvK coeb bv| AZGe, GB AZw `~i
Kivi c_ nQ wbRi weeKi KvQ memgq cwivi _vKv| Avj-vnKI
ejZ cvieb h, Avj-vn! Avgvi myhvM wQjv, wK Avwg duvwK `B
wb| AZGe Rxebi Kvbv duvK Zzwg AvgvK dje bv|
ck : Awdm Avgvi c`we Abyhvqx h KvR mjv Avgvi fvjv jvM
bv| Avwg Avgvi KvR bv Ki em h KvR Kib Zv Kwi| Awdmi eo
eo KvR KiZB Avgvi ewk fvjv jvM| G KviY Avgvi h_
mybvgI iqQ| wK c`we wbq hLb fvwe ZLb AbK cksmvI Avi
fvjv jvM bv| G _K gywi Dcvq Kx?
ce 2 \ mvdj

219

Di : Avmj whwb `vwqZ wbZ cvib, eo eo KvR D`vMx nZ

cvib Zvi DiYK KD `wgq ivLZ cvi bv| eo eo KvR KiZ
wMq GKmgq EaZb`i bRi co hveb| ZLb `Lv hve, eveI
Avcwb eo c`we jvf KiQb| ZvB GLb _K emi RvqMvq wbRK
ewmq gbQwe `LZ _vKzb| m Pqvi emvi Rb hZ iKg hvMZv`Zv cqvRbAvwiKfve Zv ARb Kib| gb gb Avcbvi eZgvb
c`we e`j w`b| wK eve Zv KvDK ejeb bv| Avi em hZw`b
Pqvi AvQb ZZw`b Aaxb wnme AvwiKfve Zvi AvbyMZ
Kib| eve eo c`we jvf Kiv ZLb ne mgqi evcvi gv|

c`-AvbyMZ \ em BR AjIqR ivBU

ck : Avwg h Awdm PvKwi Kwi, mLvb me KvR wVKfve KiI
Ab`i gZv mgghv`v cvwQ bv| Awdm wKQy gq mnKgx em`i
mv_ LvwZi Ki ewk myweav fvM KiQ| GZ Avgvi fxlY ivM nq|
Di : ivM Ki Zv jvf bB| AvcbvK eis GKUz Kzkjx nZ ne|
Avmj Avcwb h AbK KvR KiQb mUv Avcwb Avcbvi emK
evSvZ cviQb bv| PvKwii AbK G RvqMvqB fyj Kib|
PvKwiZ DbwZi mePq iZc~Y kZ nQwbRK emi KvQ
AZ AbyMZ Ges wek Kgx wnme cwZwZ Kiv| PvKwi Rxebi
mePq eve mZ nQ em BR AjIqR ivBU| wZwb hv ejb,
hfve ejb, mfveB AbymiY Kivi evcvi ckvZxZ AvbyMZ
`Lvbv| A_vr wbRi fvjv jvMv-bv jvMv ev gZvgZK Avgj bv wbq
emi gZvgZ ev wb`kKB AbymiY Kivi Rb Zwi _vKZ ne|
KvRB Avcwb hw` GB emi Aaxb GB PvKwi KiZ Pvb Ges DbwZ
KiZ Pvb Zvnj ^vfvweKfveB AvcbvK Zv-B KiZ ne hv Avcbvi
em cQ` Kib|
hgb, Avcbvi em GKUv e-vKevWK nvqvBU evW ejZ ejjb|
Avcwb hw` PvKwiZ DbwZ KiZ Pvb, Zvnj mUvK Avcbvi nvqvBU
evWB ejZ nehw`I Avcwb Rvbb h, IUv Avmj e-vKevW|
KviY `vwqZ Zv emi, Avcbvi bq| wZwb hv ejeb Zv Avcwb cvjb
220

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Kieb| wZwb hw` G evcvi Avcbvi Ici Avv ivLZ bv cvib,

Kvbv AevZB AvcbvK mvgbi w`K AMmi nZ `eb bv|
GK Awdm GKRb em GZB e`ivMx wQjb h, Zvi mv_ ewkw`b
KD KvR KiZ PvBZv bv| Gfve jvK e`j nZ nZ GKevi Zvi
Aaxb Ggb GKRb Gjv hvK wZwb Lye cQ` Ki djjb| KviY,
Kgx QjwU Zvi me K_vZB ejZv, wR mvi, Gi Pq fvjv wKQy Zv
Avi nZ cvi bv| Gfve hLb m emi AvvfvRb nq Mj ZLb em
Zvi civgk PvBZ jvMjb| m ZLb Zvi wmv I gZvgZ w`Zv Ges
`Lv hZ Zvi wmvB MnxZ nZv|
AvbyMZUv ne `vmi gZv| Zvnj Avcwb PvKwiZ Lye fvjv
Kieb| PvKwii `yUv aib AvQ| 1. Kivwb, 2. eevcK| GQvovI
PvKwi `yiKg1. mvaviY, 2. UKwbKj ev KvwiMwi| hgb GKRb
gKvwbK| Zvi wekl UKwbKj vb AvQ, wK m PvKwi KiQ|
GLvb `iKvi eyw + wekl vb + `vmi gZv AvbyMZ| hgb
gvbRviZvi wekl vb AvQ; wK wZwb PvKwiI KiQb|
Avgiv AbK mgq gb Kwi h, Avgvi Kvwiqvi DbwZ nQ bv
Kb| Avwg Zv AviKRbi Pq Lye fvjv KvR Kwi, ZviciI Avgvi
cgvkb nQ bv Kb, Avgvi BbwgU nQ bv Kb? Avgvi Pq Kg
hvMZvmb, Zvi cgvkb nq Mj, Avi Avwg dv Kvm cq
AvMi AevqB co iBjvg Kb? Gi g~j KviYckvMZ
`vwqZkxjZvemi Avcbvi Ici Avv| hZ gavexB nvb, hZ
`vwqZkxj nvb, Avcwb ckvZ GZ cvieb bv hw` bv em Avcbvi
evcvi Avvkxj nb| GKwU Qv NUbv Zvi weiw Drcv`bi Rb
h_| AZGe, AvcbvK Zv wZwb imcbwmwewjwU `eb bv| KviY
wZwb wbwZ nZ Pvb h, wZwb hvK `vwqZ `eb m H `vwqZ cvjb
KiZ cvie| AZGe wZwb wbfi KiZ cvib bvGgb KvDK KLbv
`vwqZ `eb bv, m hZ hvM nvK ev wbRK hZ `B gb KiK|
ck : PvKwii `LwQ Avgvi Pq AbK Kg Rvbv mnKgxI emi
AvbyK~j cvQb| Zv`i GKwU fvjv Y njv Zviv AbK K_v ejZ
cvib Ges Zvlvgv` KiZ Rvbb| GLb Avgvi ck njv, K_v
ejvUvB wK gyL hvMZv nIqv DwPZ?
ce 2 \ mvdj

221

Di : Avmj hywmZ cksmv Avi PvUzKvwiZv ev Zvlvgvw` GK welq

bq| Zvi hvMZv I Yvewj wbqB Zvi mvgb evemZ cksmv
Kib| aib, bZzb cvkvK emK my`i `LvQ| Aev eyS ZvK
Awfbw`Z Kib| GZ `vli wKQy bB| Avi Zj `qviI AvU
AvQ| Zj h w`Qb GUv hb em eySZ bv cvib| KviY wKQy Zj
AvQ h, ewk nq hvq, GUv emI evSb, nqZv gyL wKQy ejb bv|
KviY Zj cZ meviB fvjv jvM| wK evSb h, GZ Zj w`Q
hLb, wbqB Kvbv gZje AvQ|
Zvlvgvw` wbq mveK c~e cvwKvbi Mfbi gvbvqg Lvbi
GKwU weLvZ NUbv AvQ| gvbvqg Lvb wQjb cvwKvbi mvgwiK
kvmK Rbvij AvBqye Lvbi ekse` GKRb Mfbi| GKevi AvBqye
Lvb c~e cvwKvb mdi Gjb| cwmWUi gbvibi AvqvRbi
ga gvbvqg Lvb Kzwgi wkKvii GKwU ceI ivLjb| KviY wZwb
RvbZb AvBqye Lvb Kzwgi wkKvi KiZ cQ` Kib| j Ki
AvBqye LvbK wbq hvIqv ne hLvb Kzwgi wkKvi Kiv ne mLvb|
Gw`K wkKvii RvqMvq Kzwgi hw` cvIqv bv hvq ZLb nqZv
cwmWUi weivMfvRb nZ ne BZvw` fe gvbvqg Lvb jvKRb
w`q AvMB GKwU Kzwgi gi wbavwiZ RvqMvq dj ivLjb|
h_vmgq cwmWUK wbq j hvv Kijv| KvQvKvwQ hZB
gvbvqg Lvb fxlY DwRZ nIqvi fvb Ki wPrKvi Ki ejZ
jvMjb, m`i wiqvmZ, vKvWvBj! vKvWvBj! A_vr Kzwgi|
cwmWU Zv ZvovZvwo e`yK DuPz Ki wbkvbv Kijb| wj QyuoZ
hveb Ggb mgq fvjv Ki ZvKvZB `Ljb KzwgiUv wPr nq cvwbZ
fm AvQ| Zvi gvb ek wKQyY AvMB GUvK gviv nqQ| wZwb
Avi wj bv Quyo gvbvqg Lvbi w`K ZvwKq ejjb, Avwg Avi Kx
gviev? Zzwg Zv IUvK AvMB gi iLQv| Gici AvBqye Lvb Avi
KLbv Kzwgi wkKvi hvb wb|
A_vr GB aibi Zvlvgvw` bv KijI PvKwiZ Avcbvi DbwZi
Rb emi Avv Acwinvh| hw` KLbv Kvbv fyj Ki djb Zvnj
mivmwi emi KvQ ^xKvi Kieb| Kvbv evLv w`Z hveb bv ev
`wi Kieb bv| KviY GKUv wg_v ejj mB wg_vK XvKvi Rb
10Uv wg_v ejZ ne Ges Avcwb wbRi cuvP wbRB co hveb|
222

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Avi Ab Kviv KvQ _K hw` wZwb GUv AvM b djb Zvnj `yUv
mvebv| GK, Zvi KvQ Avcbvi fveg~wZ zY nZ cvi| `yB, Ab
KD nqZv evwoq ejZ cvi| Avi Avcwb wbRB hw` ^xKvi Kib,
Zvnj em nqZv c_g ivM KijI fZi fZi AvcbvK kv
Kieb| Avi cvKwZK wbqgB nQAvcwb hv cZ Pvb Zv AvM
AvcbvK w`Z ne| emi cwZ hw` Avcwb AvwiK AbyMZ bv nb
Avcbvi AaxbivI Avcbvi cwZ AvwiK Ges AbyMZ ne bv|
ck : wg_v ejv Avwg LyeB AcQ` Kwi Ges wbRi Lye cqvRbI Avwg
wg_v ejv _K weiZ _vwK| wK B`vbxs emi KviY AvgvK wg_v
ejZ nQ| hgb, Avgvi em ejQb h, hw` ZvK KD LuvR Ki
Zvnj Dwb hw` Awdm bv-I Avmb ZvnjI ejZ ne Dwb GmQb
A_ev GB gyn~Z evBi Mjb| welqwU Avgvi Rb Lye cxov`vqK|
GLb Avgvi Kx KiYxq?
Di : hw` `Lb h, em Ggb Kvbv AbwZK KvRi cve w`Qb
ev wb`k w`Qb hUv Avcbvi c cvjb Kiv me bq| ZLb wav
Kieb bv, c_g myhvMB PvKwi Qo w`b| Zv bv Ki hZ mgq cY
Kieb ZZ mKi AebwZ NUe Ges Avcwb nZvk nZ _vKeb|
KviY em hw` AbwZK KvRi wb`k `bmUv Nyl nvK A_ev
PvwiwK Kvbv welq nvK, eySZ ne GUv Zvi ^fve, GLvb _K
Avcwb ZvK ei KiZ cvieb bv| gvSLvb _K emi mv_ Avcbvi
GKvZZv b nq Mj H cwZvb Avcbvi Avi DbwZ ne bv| ZvB
c_g myhvMB mvnm Ki Pj hveb| Avj-vni `ywbqv AbK eo|
bZzbfve fvMi A^lY Kieb|
ck : Avwg evevi m eemv Kwi| Avgvi g~j mgmv njveemvq
Avwg hZ fvjv Kwi Zvi wWU evevi, Avi evevi me e_Zvi `vq
Avgvi| A_P Avgvi Kvbv K_vB wZwb kvbb bv| eis wZwb Zvi
ezicx wKQy ki civgk mewKQy Kib| Avgvi eemvwqK vbK
weKwkZ KiZ bv w`q msKxY Mwi ga Ave ivLvB hb Zvi cavb
KvR| G RwUjZv _K cwivYi Dcvq Kx?
ce 2 \ mvdj

223

Di : mgmvi KviYAvcbvi eqm hZB evoK, Avcbvi evevi KvQ

Avcwb nqZv mB Qv LvKv ev LywKAwaKvsk gv-evevi KvQB Zvi
mvb hgbUv _vK|
wZxqZ, Rbvikb Mvc ev cRb-eeavb msKU| mvb wbRK
gb KiQ jU, AvaywbK| dj AvMi cRb ej evevi hKvbv
wmvKB iZnxb gb KiQ| fveQ, evev nvj Avgji eemvi
wKQyB evSb bv|
Avcbvi evev hw` eemvi wKQyB bv eySZb Zvnj Zvi cwZvb
Avcwb mshy nZ cviZb bv| eis AbK AvMB ZvK eemv e Ki
w`Z nZv| me evevB Pvb Zvi Qj fvjv KiK, wbRK weKwkZ
KiK| wK mvgbvmvgwb nqZv wZwb cksmv KiQb bv Qj ckq
cq hve fe| A_vr Avcbv`i ga mgmv g~jZ hvMvhvMi|
Avcbvi evevK wbRi c wbq Avmvi Rb Kvbv AvZxq ev
ezhvi K_v wZwb bebcivfve ZvK KvR jvMvZ cvib|
gb ivLeb, Ni Avcbviv wcZv-cy njI eemvq wK Avcbviv
ciii cvUbvi| wmwbqi cvUbvi wnme evev Avcbvi em| Zvi
mvgb K_v Kg ejeb| AvM evwoq civgk `eb bv| wbRK Rywbqi
cvUbvi wnmeB gb Kieb| Avi ewMZfveI evevK mvb Kib,
fvjevmyb| evev hLb Zvi cwZ Avcbvi AvMnK eySZ cvieb, `Lv
hve wZwbI ZLb Avcbvi cwZ AvMnx nQb| Avcbvi cQ`K
AMvwaKvi w`Qb| cqvRb Kgv mUvi Gb ZvK evSvZ _vKzb|
eveI webqi mv_ Avcbvi gZvgZ Zzj aib| GKmgq `Leb
Avi Kvbv mgmv _vKQ bv|
ck : weMZ 9-10 eQi _K Avgvi Kvvwbi KYavi cwZwU wmv
fyj bqvi ciI Zvi kvaivbvi Kvbv jY bB, GLbv Dwb gb
Kib DwbB wVKgZv me evSb| Kvvwbi mevB mew`K _K
fyfvMx GgbwK Dwb wbRI| AvgvKI QvoQb bv| ZvK Kx Ki
evSvbv hvq? `qv Ki Rvbveb|
Di : Avgv`i Amyweav njv, emK AbK K_v Avgiv ejZ cvwi bv|
gb gb ivwL| wbRi Pqvi em gb gb m K_vjv AvIovB|
224

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

evUv! KZ eo eo K_v ej! GUv fyj KiQ, IUv fyj KiQ, Rvb
Nvovi wWg| G evUvi GZ Lvivc Y, Zvi gZv jvK em njv
Kxfve? GB h gb gb Avcwb AvIovQb gbi AePZb i wK
Zvi mv_ Avcbvi `~iZ mw nq hvQ| ZLb emi mv_ Avcbvi Avi
mymK ne bv| dj hLb cgvkbi evcvi ne, myhvM-myweavi
evcvi ne Avcwb hgb emK `LZ cvib bv, emI AvcbvK mn
KiZ cvieb bv| AwaKvski PvKwi wbq Amvl GLvb _KB|
Avi memgq fveeb wZwb ewk Rvbb ev Avcbvi Pq Zvi Y
ewk ejB wZwb Avcbvi em, Avcbvi Pq Icii Pqvi Avmxb| em
hw` Avcbvi civgk bv Pvb, Zvnj ZvK wKQy ejZ hvIqvUvB nQ
A_nxb| memgq gb ivLZ ne, em Avcbvi Pq hvM ejB wZwb
Avcbvi em| Avi hw` Zv gb KiZ bv cvib Zvnj Avcbvi G
cwZvb _vKv jvfRbK wKQy ne bv| ZvB AePZb i _K GB
vf ei Ki w`Z ne| em KiQb GUv Zvi evcvi, GLvb
Avcbvi Zv wKQy Kivi bB|
A_vr Avcbvi evSvi mxgviLvUv Ub beb Avcwb wbRB| Avi
Avmj Abi mv_ wgjwgk KvR KiZ cvivUvB njv mdjZv| KviY
hviv Lye gavex Zviv Avmj eo KvR KiZ cvi bv Zv`i gavi
AnsKvii KviY| wK mevi mv_ wgjwgk KvR bv Kij Avcwb
KLbv eo KvR KiZ cvieb bv| Avi cqvRb Avcbvi emK Kgv
mUvi wbq Avmyb| wbqwgZ evSvb| GwU djcm~ nZ cvi|

KwjM`i mv_ mK/ ckv`vwiZ

ck : Awdmi AbK eo eo KvR AvgvK `b GgwW| ZLb fq nq
cviev wK bv| Avevi mdjfve mb Kivi ci Abvb mnKgxiv
wnsmveva Ki| G Aevq KiYxq Kx?
Di : memgq gb ivLeb, GgwW hw` cvib, AviKRb Awdmvi hw`
cvib Zv Avcwb Kb cvieb bv| Avi mnKgxiv Zv wnsmv KieB|
Kvb MvQ gvbyl wXj gvih MvQ dj _vK| h MvQ dj _vK bv,
m MvQ KD wXj gvi bv| hLb KD Clv Kie, Avj-vni KvQ Kwiqv
ce 2 \ mvdj

225

Av`vq Kieb h, Avcwb wKQy KiQb|

Avi Ab`i Clvi gyL memgq cv-GKwUf _vKeb| Avcwb h
fvjv KvR Ki djQb Ges GUv h Avcbvi fZi Zw w`QGUv
^xKviB Kieb bv| Ab`iK ejeb h, GUv Avi Kx KvR, GUv Zv
ZvgivI cvie| gb KiQ QvU KvR, ZvB GUv Zvgv`iK `q wb,
AvgvK w`q djQ| Zvgiv Gi Pq fvjv cviZ|
A_vr ckvi Kzkjx neb Ges msNvZ Gwoq Pjeb|
Kbdzwmqvmi mB DwwU memgq gb ivLeb, eywgvb gvbyl weiva
Rwoq c_g h fyjUv Ki Zv njv eywK weZK Govbvi KvR eq bv
Kiv| A_vr eyw eq KiZ ne weZK Govbvi Rb| memgq Kgj
msNvZUvK Gwoq hveb| eo eo KvR Kieb, wK _vKeb jv
cvdvBj| Abiv h Gi _K eo wKQy KiZ cviZv, GB DcjwUv
Zv`i `eb| A_vr Aev eyS SMov I ClvK hfve Govbv hvq
mfve Goveb|
ck : Awdm Avwg mvaviYZ webqx I m`vPvix| Ab wWcvUgUi
Kgxiv hLb Avgvi mybvg KiAvgvi mnKgxiv Clvw^Z nq, e`bvg
KiZ i Ki| Avgvi KiYxq Kx?
Di : ClvKvix Ges MxeZKvix, G`i g~j Dk nQ Avcbvi kvw
web Kiv, hvZ Avcwb Vvv gv_vq KvR KiZ bv cvib, gavK
weKwkZ KiZ bv cvib| mnKgxiv K_v eje, Clvw^Z ne, MxeZ
Kie, LuvPv `e| wK GjvK KLbvB ewMZfve beb bv,
mvsMVwbKfve `Leb| vf ev AwfhvM Kieb bv, cv-GKwUffve
mgmv mgvavb AMmi neb|
hLbB gb nQ Awdm GB jvK Avcbvi wei emi KvQ
ejQ Zvi mv_ memgq my`i mK ivLeb| Avcwb Kvbv cwZev`
Zv KiebB bv, eis ewk ewk Zvi cksmv KiebZvi mvgb Ges
Ab`i mvgb| Av Av `Leb Zvi weivwaZv Kg hvQ| Avi
hw` mKQ` Kib Zvnj m mivmwi Avcbvi weivwaZv Kie|
Avi Kgj memgq AvjvPbvi c_ Dby ivLeb| Avcbvi wei
h K_v ej ZvK Drmvn `eb ewk| m Avcbvi mePq fvjv ez|
226

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

KviY Avcbvi fyjjv Zvi PvL hZ my`ifve aiv coe, AvcbvK

hviv nvIqv w`Q Zv`i PvL mfve aiv coe bv| mvaviYfve
Avgiv mePq ewk AcQ` Kwi cwZhvMxK, cwZcK| wK GKwU
welq gb ivLeb, Avcbvi fyj mePq fvjv awiq w`Z cvie
Avcbvi cwZc, hviv AvcbvK nvIqv w`Q Zviv bq|
ck : Awdm GKUv cv Lvwj nIqvq mcwZ AvgvK mLvb `qv
nqQ| wK Avgvi GKRb mnKgxi mLvb hvIqvi BQv wQjv| dj
GLb m Avgvi mv_ AmnhvwMZvg~jK AvPiY KiQ| wKQy PvBj Ggb
AvPiY Ki h, AcgvwbZ eva Kwi| mn KiZ KiZ GKmgq iM
hvB| Pzc Ki _vKj gb Ki `yej| Kx Kiv hvq?
Di : AvcbvK wbRi hvMZv `ZvK Ggb chvq wbq hZ ne
hvZ Zvi KvQ wKQy PvBZ bv nq| Avi ZvK memgq GwcwkqU
Kieb| m AmnhvwMZv KijI Avcwb ZvK mnhvwMZv Kieb| hZ
ZvK mnhvwMZv Kieb ZZ wZwb Zvi H `ytLUvK fyj hveb| wZwb
GKwU wRwbm PqwQjb, wK cvb wb| Avcwb cq MQb| GUv wbq
Zvi ga `ytLeva _vKZ cvi| GUvB ^vfvweK| nZ cvi, wZwb hw`
H cv hZb AvcwbI Zvi mv_ GKB AvPiY KiZb| AZGe Zvi
AvPiYK gb gb GwcwkqU Kib| Zvi mv_ fvjv AvPiY KiZ
_vKzb| GKw`b AekB Zvi AvPiY cwieZb Avme|
ck : Avwg wKQy kwgK KgKZv wbqY Kwi| kwgK Amvli KviY
AvgvK memgq Ubkb _vKZ nq| G evcvi Avgvi KiYxq Kx?
Di : Avcwb kwgK Ges KgPvix`i Aaxb bv fe hw` mnKgx
fveb, Zv`i `ytLjv hw` wbRi `ytL wnme `LbAvcbvi Ubkb
Kivi wKQy bB| Avcbvi mxgveZv AvQ, KviY Avcwb gvwjKi ci
gvbyl| Avcwb gb _K Zv`i fvjevmyb, Zv`i KjvY Kib hZUzKz
Avcbvi c me| Avcbvi Rb Zviv mgmv ne bv| eis Zviv
AvcbvK fvjevme| Zviv nqZv Avcbvi Rb wKQy KiZ cvie bv|
wK Avcbvi Rb `vqv KiZ cvie, PvLi cvwb djZ cvie|
ce 2 \ mvdj

227

g-DrKl \ `Zv \ hvMZv

ck : KvRi Kvb `wfwwU iZc~Y hv GKRb gvbylK
P~ovfve ` Ges hvM Kie?
Di : KvRi mePq iZc~Y `wfw nQ, Aviv fvjv Kivi
Rb memgq mvagZv Pv Kiv| hw` mvgwqK mvdj Zw Pj
Avm, gb nq Avi wKQy kLvi bB, Avi wKQy Kivi bBZvnj mUvB
njv `Zv mwi mePq eo cwZeK| KviY Avwg mewKQy
cvwiG AnsKviB GKRb gvbyli cZbi Rb h_| GRb memgq
kvKiMvRvi _vKZ ne, webqx nZ ne| `Zv wbq AnsKvi
Kieb bv| KviY fvjv KvRi AnsKviI cZbi KviY nZ cvi|
ZvB KvR hZ evoe, KwiqvI hb ZZ evoZ _vK| KvR h
KiZ cviwQ mRb Kwiqv, hZUzKz KiZ cviwQ mRb Kwiqv|
KviY fvjv KvR e _vKvi Pq eo mfvM Avi wKQy bB| gvbyli
^fveB nQ, nq m fvjv KvR e _vKe, bqZv g` KvR mgq
b Kie| fvjv KvR njv Zvi AvmU hvi mydj m fvM KiZ
cvie| Avi g` KvR njv evSv, hvi cwiYvg ZvK `ytL I fvMvwi
gyL coZ ne| KvRB hvMZv I `Zv weKvki g~j Kkj njv
Awfgvb AwfhvM vfK `~i mwiq iL memgq KvR e _vKv|
mB mv_ wbRi hvMZv-`Zv ew I eevcbv ev bZZi
Yvewj Dbqbi Rb cwZw`b AvZchvjvPbv Kiv h, Avgvi
hvMZv-`Zv ewi Rb, eevcKxq I bZZi Yvewj Dbqbi
Rb Avwg AvRK Kx Kijvg? A_vr cwZwbqZ wbRi mv_
cwZhvwMZv Kiv| memgq gb ivLeb, PvKwii evRvi Avcbvi
PnvivmyiZ ev Avcbvi Ab cwiPq A_nxb hw` `Zv bv _vK| ZvB
bvbvw`K `Zv gvMZ evovZ ne|
ck : Avwg GKwU cvBfU wekwe`vjq Bbdigkb G KwgDwbKkb
Bwwbqvwis cowQ| wK ckvMZ we`wk Bwwbqvwis wWwMavix`i
Pvwn`vB ewk| ZvB gvS gvS wavq fywM h, `k cov ev` w`q wK
we`kB Pj hvev?
228

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Di : Avmj UKwbKj KvRi wWwMi PqI eve `Zv ewk

iZc~Y| hgb Avcbvi evmvi dvbUv b nq MQ| wVK Kivi `vwqZ
w`jb GKRb eo wWwMavix BjKwUKj BwwbqviK| wK ZvwK
vb mg GB Bwwbqvi AbK Pv KiI dvbwU wVK KiZ cvijv
bv| KviY Gi Rb cqvRbxq eve vb Zvi bB| Zvnj? Zvi wWwM
A_nxb nq Mj KviY cvqvwMK mvdjB wZwb `LvZ cvijb bv|
Bbdigkb UKbvjwRmn me aibi UKbvjwRKj G
K_vwUB chvR| KvRB Avcwb hw` `Zv ARb KiZ cvib Zvnj
we`wk wekl ev` w`q AvcbvKB WvKv ne KvRUv Ki `qvi
Rb| ay `k bq, we`kI chyw wWwMavix`i Pq `ivB
fvjv KiQb| Avi GLb hnZz emiKvwiKiYi Rvqvi PjQ
Gmgq GB `Zvjvi ^xKwZ cvIqvUv Aviv mnR|
ck : Avcbvi gZ Kvb vb ev wekl `Zv Avgv`i me kYxckvi gvbyli Rb AZvekKxq?
Di : bZZ ev eevcbvi hvMZv A_vr Ab`i wbq KvR Kivi
hvMZv| eevcbvi hvMZv weKwkZ nj eo eo cwZvb Avcwb
PvjvZ cvieb| hZ gavex nvb, hw` mevi mv_ wgj KvR KiZ bv
cvib Zvnj KLbv eo KvR KiZ cvieb bv| h Abi mnhvwMZv
ARb KiZ cvi bv m KLbv eo KvR KiZ cvi bv| AvcbvK
Abiv mnhvwMZvi Rb Dz njB Avcwb eo KvR KiZ cvieb|
Avi GRb GKRb bZvK ev eevcKK Zvi Kgx`i Pq ewk
kg Ges mgq `qvi gZv AvMn, kw I wekvm _vKZ ne|
cwZvbi GKRb bZv ev gvbRviKI miKg nZ ne| h
cwikgi KvR AviKRb KiZ cvie bv wZwb hb mB KvRUv KiZ
cvib| Kgx hLb Abyfe Kib, Avwg hw` KvR bv Ki `uvwoq _vwK
Ze gvbRvi Gm mB KvR Ki hveb ZLb Avcwb mdj gvbRvi
nZ cvieb| Zv`i kv I AvbyMZ `yUvB cveb|
Avmj Avgv`i ga GB eevcbvi `Zvi AfveB nQ mePq
ewk| h KviY Avgv`i `k gvSvwi ii GwwKDwUf GLbv
we`k _K Avm| MvgUm dvwii gvbRvi we`k _K Avm| Gi
ce 2 \ mvdj

229

Pq jvi evcvi Zv Avi wKQy nZ cvi bv| AZGe GB eevcbvi

`Zv weKwkZ KiZ ne|
ck : gvMZ fyji Aaxb`i cwZ GKRb bZvi `wfw Kx
nIqv DwPZ Ges Gi mgvavb Kx nIqv DwPZ?
Di : c_gZ Zvi DwPZ ne fyj nIqvi KviYjvK LuyR ei Kiv|
fyj cavbZ `ywU KviY nZ cvi| c_gZ, mB Aaxbi hw` mB
KvRi cwZ AvMn bv _vK| wZxqZ, mB KvRi Rb h gvbwmK
cwZ Ges hvMZv `iKvi Zv hw` Zvi bv _vK| hw` AvMn bv _vK
Zvnj ZvK Dy Kivi Pv Kiv hZ cvi Ges hw` hvMZvi Afve
_vK ZvK hvMZv-`Zv mw Kivi Rb cqvRbxq mgq `qv hZ
cvi| GZI hw` fyji cwigvY bv Kg Ze ZvK ev` `qv hZ
cvi| wK Kvbv AevZB Zvi mv_ `yeenvi Kiv hve bv|
ck : Kgj Amr mnKgx`i mv_ gvwbq PjZ cvwi bv| Zv`i
mv_ mv_ Nyli UvKv bv wbj mgmv Ki Ges Aaxb`i KvR duvwK
`qvi myhvM bv w`j ZvivI weivwaZv Ki| mr _K Zv`i mv_
Kxfve gvwbq PjZ cviev?
Di : GUv Lye KwVb ck| G evcvi Avgv`i ee Lye | Avmj
GLb wmgB `uvwoqQ GUv| Avi GKv KD KLbv wmgi wei
hZ cvi bv| Avcbvi evav `qvi Kvbv myhvM bB| AvcbvK
hKvbvfveB nvK Gi mv_ GK aibi mgSvZvq AvmZ ne, Zv
bv nj Avcwb PvKwi KiZ cvieb bv| A_vr PvKwi cwieZb Qvov
Avcbvi mr _vKvi Kvbv myhvM bB|

ckvRxex \ ewRxex
ck : ckvRxex ev ewRxex`i mdjZvi `wfw Kx nIqv DwPZ?
Di : ckvRxex A_vr Wvvi, wkK, Bwwbqvi, j-Bqvi, PvUvW
GKvDUU ev KbmvjUU wnme hLb GKRb ^vaxb ckvq wbqvwRZ
230

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

_vKb ZLb mLvb mvdj ARbi Rb PviwU welq cqvRb|

c_gZ, D`gbZzb wKQy, eo wKQy Kivi|
wZxqZ, ckvi mv_ mswk- wekl vb I `Zv|
ZZxqZ, ckvi cwZ fvjevmv, AvwiKZv, `vwqZ cvjb wekZv|
PZz_Z, RbmshvM ev cwiwPwZ|
GB PviwU welq hw` GKRb ckvRxex Avq Kib, wZwb ay
elwqKfve mdj neb Zv bq, GKRb mRbkxj KxwZgvb ckvRxex
wnmeI iYxq neb|
wK `ytLRbK nQ, Avgv`i AwaKvsk ckvRxex wecyj A_i
cQb QyUZ wMq mvdji G kZjv Aenjv Kib| dj GKmgq
ckvRxex`i h ghv`vi PvL `Lv nZv GLb Zv AbKUvB `yjf|
hgb, 70-Gi `kK ch wekwe`vjqi AbK wkK wQjb hv`i
bvg kvfi iY KiZ nq| wK Gici _K cU e`j nZ
jvMjv| vbPPvq eZx Qv AtcvY wkKi RvqMvq Gm `uvovjv
A_vcvRbi bkvq cvMj w`bgvb cvBfU wekwe`vjq QyUZ e
wkK bvgi wKQy AvZKw`K gvbyl| wbR`i ^v_ Dvii Rb
ivRbxwZi jRyoew _K i Ki QvQvx`i eenvi KiZI Zviv
waveva Ki bv| hw`I GLbv AbK wkK AvQb hviv mwZKvi
A_B kqZv`i Mfxi vb, cvwZ, ewZ Ges Av`ki Rb|
wK GLbKvi mvaviY ceYZv njv, ivRbxwZi jRyoewZ e
wkK myhvM cjB Kvm eRb, agNU, ivvq Av`vjb BZvw`i
NvlYv `b| GZ QvQvxiv vbvRb wcwQq coK wKsev mkb RU
AvUK co `xNkvm QvoKZvZ Zv`i wKQy Avm hvq bv|
gRvi evcvi njv, wbRi wekwe`vjq Kvm bv wbq gnv Drmvn
agNU cvjb KijI cvBfU wekwe`vjq wVK mgqB wZwb nvwRiv
`b| hLvb gvUv Ai A_i wewbgq Zvi Qviv coQmLvb
wZwb G RvZxq Av`vjbi K_v `~iZg KbvZI AvbZ cvib bv|
Avmj GKRb ckvRxex wkK nZ cvib ev Wvvi nZ cvib|
wK bxwZMZfve wZwb KLbv ejZ cvib bv h, Avwg covev bv ev
Avwg ivMx `Lev bvhZY wZwb GKRb wkK ev Wvvi wnme
wbqvwRZ AvQb| hKvbv mgq mev `qvi Rb ZvK cZ
_vKZ ne|
ce 2 \ mvdj

231

aib, GKRb `wR, cvkvK Zwi Kib| GUvI GKUv ^vaxb ckv|
ZvK cZKi gvcgZvB cvkvK Zwi KiZ ne| wg. G-Gi gvc
wg. IqvB-Gi cvkvK evbvj wK ne? A_ev h mgqi ga cvkvK
Zwi Ki `qvi K_v, Zvi AZ GKw`b AvM cvkvKwU Zwi Ki
ivLZ ne, hvZ KvqU Avmvi mv_ mv_ ZvK w`q w`Z cvib|
Avi `yBw`b AvM Ki ivLZ cvij Aviv fvjv|
Avi GKRb Wvvi ev Bwwbqvii GUv KLbv fyj hvIqv DwPZ
bq, AvRK Zvi GB Aevb Zwii Rb KZ wbib gvbyli Uvi
UvKvq wZwb cvq webv cqmvq cvewjK wekwe`vjq jLvcov KiQb|
ay Zv-B bq, Zvi eZbi A_vqbI nq GB Uvi UvKvq| wbRi
weeKi KvQB Zvi wRm Kiv DwPZGB FY ev `vqeZv _K
gywi KZUv Pv wZwb KiQb| Kvm eRb ev Kvm duvwK `qvi dj
Zvi FYi evSv wK w`b w`b Aviv evoQ bv?
nuv, hw` Ggb nq h, cvwicvwkK KviY wZwb H ckvq KvbvfveB
gvwbq wbZ cviQb bv, ZLb nqZv wfb wmv wbZ cvib| wK
A_i wewbgq hZY GKwU RvqMvq mev`vbi PzwZ wZwb Ave
ZZY H `vwqZB ZvK cvjb KiZ ne P~ov wbvi mv_| hLb hv
Lywk Kivi Kvbv AwaKvi Zvi ZLb _vK bv ev wbRi wekwe`vjq
agNU Ki cvBfU wekwe`vjq Kvm wbZ hvIqvi Z bxwZ AbymiY
Kivi myhvMI Avi _vK bv| Zv Kij wZwb Zvi kc_iB jNb
Kijb| Avmj ckvRxeb ii AvM cZK ckvRxexKB ckvi
wKQy `vwqZ-KZe gb Pjvi AxKvi KiZ nq| mUv NvwlZ nZ
cvi ev nZ cvi ANvwlZ|
hgb, Avgiv RvwbGKRb wPwKrmK hLb Zvi ckvRxeb i
Kib, ZvK wncvwwUK I_ bvg GKwU kc_ wbZ nq, hLvb wZwb
wbRi mxgveZvK iY iL webqi mv_ GKRb ivMxK my Ki
Zvjvi Rb cqvRbxq mewKQy Kivi cwZv Kib| Ilya ev mvRvwii
PqI ivMxi Rb Zvi GKUz ggZv, GKUz mnvbyf~wZ AbK mgq ewk
KvR KiZ cvi GUv gb ivLvi AxKvi wZwb Kib| Ges LyeB
iZc~Y njv, Amy nj GKRb gvbyl ay h kvixwiKfveB Avv
nq bv, Zvi cvwievwiK, mvgvwRK, Avw_K RxebI h cfvweZ nq,
wPwKrmvi mgq G welqjvZ `w `qvi AxKvi wZwb Kib|
232

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

hKvbv ckvRxex hLb Zvi ckvMZ AxKvi cvjb e_ neb,

ZLb ^vfvweKfveB wZwb kv nviveb| KviY ay c`-c`we ev Kvbv
wekl cwZvb _vKjB kv cvIqv hvq bv| kv cvIqvi Rb
ewKB KvR KiZ ne mZZv, wbv I `vwqZkxjZv wbq|
Avi ewi wekZv Lye iZc~Y| wekZv ejZ evSvq
aib, Avcwb civgk w`Qb GKRbK| civgk`vZv wnme AvcbvK
wek nZ ne| hw` Avcwb wek bv nb, hviv civgk wbZ AvmQb
Zviv hw` gb Kib h, m hv ejQ Zv Avcwb KvDK ej w`Z
cvib| Zvnj civgk`vZv wnme Avcwb e_ neb| KD Avcbvi
KvQ civgki Rb Avme bv| ZvB AvcbvK Avcbvi ckvi cwZ
wek _vKZ ne|

PvKwi e`j
ck : Rxebi c_g PvKwiZ KZ eQi _vKv DwPZ? PvKwi cwieZbi
`wfw Kx nIqv DwPZ?
Di : PvKwi hw` md RxweKv ARbi Rb nq Zvnj ewk myweav
cj c_g myhvMB PvKwi cwieZb Kiv DwPZ| KviY Avcwb RxweKvi
Rb kg wew KiQb| hLvb Avcbvi kgi fvjv g~j cveb
mLvbB PvKwi Kieb| hZ PvKwi e`jvZ cvieb ZZ Icii
w`K DVeb| Avi whwb e`jvZ cvieb bv, PvKwiZ DbwZi w`K
_K wZwb memgqB wcwQq _vKeb| KviY Muqv hvMx wfL cvq bv|
hgb, Avcwb h cwZvb XyKQb Zviv nqZv fveZ cvi, Avcwb GB
jfj XyKQb, Avcwb Zv GB jfjiB| m hw` gb Kib
GB cwZvb Avcbvi g~jvqb nQ bv, Avcwb Gi Pq Aviv fvjv
KvR Kivi Dchyc`vbwZi Pv bv Ki ZLbB PvKwi e`j Kib|
ZLb nqZv `Lv hve, GB cwZvbB Avevi Avcwb GmQb| wK
AviK avc GwMq| Ze PvKwi hw` wgkbi Ask nq Zvnj wfb K_v|
Avi c_g PvKwiZ mvaviYZ ^c fi KUv GKUz ewk _vK|
KviY wekwe`vjq ev Ab wkv _K gv ewiq c_g KgjUv
AbKi KvQ ek KwVb Ges KKi gb nq| KD KD gb Ki gy
ce 2 \ mvdj

233

Rxeb _K RjLvbvq cek KiQ| c` c` Revew`wnZv,

wbqgKvbyb| G wkvRxebi mv_ KgRxebi Zzjbv hZ Kg Kib
ZZ fvjv| KgRxebi eveZv GUvB| AZGe eve `wfw jvjb
Kieb, Avcwb mnR gvwbq wbZ cvieb|
ck : Avwg GKwU PvKwi KiZvg| PvKwiwU Avgvi fvjv jvMwQjv bv|
KvqvUvg Kvm Kivi ci Lye mvnm wbq PvKwiwU Qo `B| GLb
GKwU fvjv PvKwi cZ PvB| wK gvS gvS nZvkv I `ywvq fywM|
MZ wZb gvm ai Avwg eKvi| Kxfve nZvkv-`ywv fyj wMq Pvv
gbvfve wbq GKwU fvjv PvKwii Rb Pv Kiev? w`bi ewkifvM
mgq Kxfve covkvbvq gbvwbek Kiev?
Di : Avmj Avcbvi g~j mgmvUv nQ AwiZv| G AwiZv `~i
Kivi Rb wbqwgZ gwWUkb KiZ ne| hnZz Avcbvi GLb Kvbv
eZv bB, w`b `yBejv gwWUkb Kib, gbQwe `Lyb Ges
KvqvUvgg KvqvUvqb Kib| AvZRvMiYi wmwW byb| KviY
fZii kwK RvMZ Kivi Rb gwWUkb Riwi| Avi AMZ kw
hLb RvMZ nZ _vKe ZLb PvKwi wbRB Avcbvi w`K AvK ne|
ck : Avwg GKwU Bswjk wgwWqvg zj wkKZv KiwQ| gv-evev,
AvZxq^Rb Avgvi KvQ _K AbK ewk cZvkv Kib| Avgvi
cvwievwiK I Avw_K AevI Lye ewk fvjv bv| Avwg Ggb ckvq
wbqvwRZ nZ PvB hvZ Avgvi mvweK Aevi cwieZb KiZ cvwi| G
evcvi mwVK w`K-wb`kbv PvB|
Di : Avcwb GKUv Bswjk wgwWqvg zj wkKZv KiQb| Zvi gvb
nqZv Ab Kv_vI myhvM bv cq Avcwb ILvb MQb| GLb Avcbvi
KZe ne AwiZvq bv fyM h ckvq AvQb mLvbB mevP `Zv
ARb Kiv| wbRK cwZvbi Rb Acwinvh GKRb wkK cwiYZ
Kiv| miv wkK ejZ hv evSvq ZvZ icvwiZ nIqv| ZvnjB
`Leb Avcbvi Avw_K Aev fvjv nQ| KviY Avw_K Aev wbfi
Ki Avcwb KZUv `Zv ARb KiZ ciQb, wbRi gavK KZUzKz
234

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

mevq icvwiZ KiZ ciQb Zvi Ici|

Abw`K AwiZv AMMwZK Aviv i Ki `q| Avi gv-evevi
cZvkv memgqB _vKe| KvwU UvKv cvIqvi ciI gv-evevi cZvkv,
cwievii elwqK cZvkv Kvbvw`b kl ne bv| wK AvcbvK
eySZ ne Avcbvi eveZv Kx Ges Kv_v _K Avcwb i Kieb|
ck : Avgvi eqm 35| Avwg GKRb c_g kYxi miKvwi KgKZv|
eZgvb Kgj Avgvi AwRZ vb cqvMi myhvM Kg| Ze Kvbv
gvwbvkbvj nqZv Avgvi AwRZ vbi AwaKZi cqvM me| wK
mLvb Zv RxweKvB Rxeb nq `uvovq| GLb wmvnxbZvq fyMwQ|
miKvwi PvKwii AcZzj AvqI GLvb weeP welq|
Di : Avmj GUv Lye mwZ h, miKvwi PvKwiZ h eZb nIqv DwPZ
mUv nq bv| eZbi j Ggb nIqv DwPZ, hvZ GKRb wewmGm
Awdmvi ev GKRb miKvwi KgPvix Zvi Av_mvgvwRK Aevb _K
f` Rxebhvcb KiZ cvib| wK Avgv`i eZb KvVvgvUvB AZ
AhwK| JcwbewkK kvlK`i Zwi Kiv GB eZb KvVvgv Avmj
Avgv`i `ybxwZi w`K Vj `q|
GKRb cywjk KbejK KZ UvKv eZb `qv nq? 45 eQi AvM
`qv nZv 60 UvKv, GLb Qq/ mvZ nvRvi UvKv| A_P GKRb
cvbIqvjv KZ DcvRb Ki gvm? w`b Pvik UvKv nj gvm 12 nvRvi
UvKv| GKRb wewmGm Awdmvi, whwb m` hvM`vb KiQbeZb cvb
15/ 18 nvRvi UvKv hv GKRb cvbIqvjvi DcvRbi Pq ewk, wK
PUcwUIqvjvi DcvRbi Pq Kg| Zvnj H wewmGm Awdmvi Kx
Kieb? AZGe ^xKvi KiZ ne h, GUv GKUv mgmv| Ze miKvwi
PvKwiZ gvbyli DcKvii h myhvM AvQ eRvwZK KvvwbZ Zv
bB| Avi GgGbwm-Z hviv KvR Ki, vUvm gBbUBb, AmyLwemyL
BZvw`i cQb Zv`i h cwigvY LiP nq ZvZ Zvi mq h Lye
GKUv _vK Zv-I wK bq|
ck : AbKw`b _K eZgvb PvKwiwU KiZ Avi fvjv jvMQ bv|
KejB gb nQ, GB PvKwi Avgvi Rb bv| Avwg RbwQ Aviv eo
ce 2 \ mvdj

235

wKQy, Aviv fvjv PvKwi Kivi Rb| Avi mB Rb wbRK hvM

nZ ne| ZvB Avwg nvqvi vwW KiZ jb hZ PvwQ| Gi Rb
Avgvi eZgvb PvKwi QvoZ ne| wmv wbZ cviwQ bv mUv wVK ne
wK bv| iRx AvgvK mwVK w`K-wb`kbv w`b|
Di : Avcwb wmv wbqQb jb hveb covkvbv Kivi Rb| wK
Gi Rb h cPzi A_i cqvRb, mUv hw` Avcbvi KvQ _vKZvB
Zvnj Zv Avcbvi PvKwi KiviB cqvRb nZv bv| Avmj GUv GKUv
fyj aviYv h, `ki evBi PvKwi Ki covkvbv Kiv hvq| eis
eveZv nQ, ILvb PvKwii myhvM Lye mxwgZ| ZvivB GLb RRwiZ
eKviZ, Kgx QuvUvB BZvw` bvbv mgmvq| 10 eQi ci nqZv ZvivB
Avgv`i `k Avme PvKwi Ki covkvbv Kivi Rb| AZGe
AvnvKi ^M _vKeb bv|
Avi eo PvKwii Rb nvqvi vwWi cqvRb bB| nvqvi vwW Ki
KD KLbv PvKwi KiZ cvi bv| PvKwi KiZ nq wbR hvMZv w`q,
`vwqZkxjZv w`q| Avi c`vbwZ KLbv wWwM `L nq bv| miKvwi
PvKwiZ c`vbwZ wbfi Kie Avcbvi hvMvhvMi `Zvi Ici|
cvBfU cwZvb GUv wbfi Kie Avcbvi `Zv, `vwqZ wbZ cvivi
hvMZv Avi eevcbvi KzkjZvi Ici| wWwM ev DPwkvi Ici bq|
gb ivLeb, hZ eo PvKwiB nvK, PvKwi gvbPvKi| PvKwi
gvbem BR AjIqR ivBU| ZLb Avcwb emi AvM Awdm
XyKeb, emi ci eiveb, emi bRii ga _vKeb, Zvnj
Avcbvi DbwZ ne|
PvKwi KiZ Avcbvi fvjv jvMQ bv gvb Avcwb Avmj KvRUvK
fvjevmZ cviQb bv| Avgv`i mgmv njv, KvR nqZv Avgiv Kwi,
wK AwbQvmI Kwi| weiw mnKvi Kwi| dj welY _vwK,
AbKmgq hvi kvixwiK cfveI co| gvwbvkbvj ev Abvb
PvKwiZ hZ wmBI AvQ, `yB eQii gv_vq Zviv Amy nq hvQb|
Nvo e_v, wcV e_v, gvBMb, DP iPvc, Awb`v, nRg mgmv
BZvw`Z fyMQb| KviYweiwi mv_ KvR Kiv| AwaKvskB
KvRUvK fvjevmb bv|
hgb, gwnjv`i GZ AmyLwemyL, GZ AwiZvi AbZg KviY
236

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

njvcwZw`b Nii h KvRjv Zviv Kib, AwaKvskB Zv Kib Lye

weiwi mv_| KiZ ne ZvB Kib| A_P Avb` wbq KvR Kij
Zviv AbK my _vKZb| Avevi Avgv`i mgq gv-PvPx-Lvjv`i AmyLwemyL Lye GKUv `wL wb| KviY Zv`i KvQ Nii KvRUvB wQjv
Avb`i| Qj wei KiQ, gq wei KiQGUvB Zvi Avb`|
GUvB Zvi RMr| Gi evBi Zvi Kvbv RMr wQjv bv| wK
mvaviYfve GLbKvi ki gwnjv`i GKUv eo Aski RMr nQ
kwcs wUwf dmeyK B-gBj GmGgGm gvevBj| hvi dj Nii
KvRi ga wZwb Avi Kvbv Avb` LuyR cvb bv|
AZGe KvRUvK fvjevmeb| hw` PvKwi Kib Ges KvRK
fvjevmb Zvnj Avcwb cwZ`vb cvebB| em AvcbvK cwZ`vb bv
w`jI Avcbvi KvR AvcbvK cwZ`vb `e| GUvB cKwZi wbqg|

ckv I bwZKZv
ck : Avcwb ejQb Avq evwoq qgZv evovZ ne| Avq evovZ
nj Abvq c_ cv evovZ nq| GQvov Ab Kvbv c_ bB| GB c_
_K Kxfve cwivY cZ cvwi?
Di : Avmj Avq evovZ nj Abvq KiZ nq bv| Avq evovZ nj
AvcbvK mev w`Z ne| Avcwb mevi cwigvY hZ evovZ cvieb
Avcbvi Avq ZZ evoZ _vKe| Avi `eg~j Kgvbv Avmj GKUv
v aviYv| cw_exZ `eg~j Kvbvw`b Kg wb| 1970 mvj Pvji
KwR wQjv 12 Avbv| 27 UvKv _K 30 UvKv wQjv gYcwZ Pvji
`vg| GLb hw` KD ej Pvj 30 UvKv gY Ki `e, Zvnj mUv ne
AjxK wPv| KviY cZKUv wRwbmi g~j eoQ| Gi mv_ ZvivB
Zvj gjvZ cvieb hviv Zv`i qgZvK evovZ cvieb| Avq
evovbv Qvov GB g~jew gvKvejv Kivi weK Kvbv c_ bB|
KviY Nwoi KuvUvK cQb w`K wbZ cvieb bv|
hviv `vg KgvZ Pvb Zviv kvqv Luvi kvmbvgj wbq Me Kib|
kvqv Luvi Avgj UvKvq AvU gY Pvj cvIqv hZ| wK UvKvq AvU
gY Pvj Kbvi mvg_ KZRbi wQjv? mB mgq KlKiv Lvevii
ce 2 \ mvdj

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Afve Zv`i gq`iK evRvi Gb wew KiZv| Beb eZzZvi

weeiY _KB cvIqv hvq, ZLb UvKvq `yRb `vmx cvIqv hZ| A_vr
GKRb bvixi `vg wQjv AvU Avbv| Zvnj UvKvq AvU gY PvjI
Kvbv jvf bB hw` AvU gY Pvj GKUvKv w`q Kbvi gZv UvKv bv
_vK| AZGe AvcbvK qgZv evovZ ne Ges GUv me hw`
Avcwb Avcbvi mevi cwigvY evwoq `b|
Avmj KD hLb mrc_ DcvRb Ki ZLb Zvi m DcvRb eiKZ
_vK| _vK ckvw| Avgv`i GK mncvVx wQjv| Zvi evev Lye QvU
miKvwi PvKwi KiZb| ZLb miKvwi PvKwiZ mvZUv _K `yBUv ch
Awdm wQjv| GUv lvUi `kKi K_v| wZwb `ycyi evmvq Gm LvIqv
`vIqv Ki Avevi ewiq hZb| dzUcvZ `uvwoq Mw jyw MvgQv
wew KiZb| cZKw`b PvKwi kl GUv wQjv Zvi KvR| Zvi wZb
gq GLb cdmi| QjI cwZwZ| Zvi cvkvcvwk AviKRb c`
Awdmvi| Zvi Qj`i `LZvg Lye RuvKRgKi mv_ PjZ| hw`I
Zvi PvKwiZ h eZb nIqvi K_v ZvZ GZUv Rjym _vKvi K_v bq|
Zvi Qj-gq KD gvbyl nq wb| KviYUv ci eySwQ, Zv njv Zvi
Nyli cqmv|
Abvq c_ cv evoveb bv| cKwZ AZ wbgg cwZkva MnYKvix|
Abvqi cwZdj Avcwb cvebB| AvR Kvj ev cihKvbv w`b|
cvci NU c~Y nj Avcbvi iv bB| mvmx`i Rxeb `Lyb, KZ
KiY! AbK UvKvcqmv bvovPvov Ki Zviv| wK Rxeb wK kvw AvQ
Zv`i! bv giY kvw cqQ! Kzwj _K AvviIqvi em nq IVv
WvKvZ knx` m dvqvi gviv hvIqvi ci jvk `yw`b gM co wQjv|
Avcb fvBI Mvgi evwoZ jvk wbq hvq wb Kei `qvi Rb| Kb?
jvK ejeGB evwoZ WvKvZ knx`i Kei iqQ| Avevi AvwKR
wgqvi Rxeb `Lyb| Rxeb i Kib wewo kwgK wnme| gZzi mgq
iL MQb AvwKR Mci gZv wekvj mvgvR| ZvB mwVK cvq
cwikg Kib| mvdj AvmeB|
ck : wekwe`vjq wkK wKsev wewmGm-Gi gZv mvbRbK PvKwiZ
wbqvMi cvqkB Awbqg NU| ewZ Gme cv_xi K Kvbv
KLbv KLbv ceva gvbZ Pvq bv| h wkKi KviY wKsev
238

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

wcGmwm-i g^vii KviY ewZ njvg, Zv`iK hw` gvi ck Avm

Zvnj wK Zv Avgvi Rb Lye mnR ne? GBme wkK wKsev g^viI
dvDkb Kvm wKsev wiqjvBRkb Kvm Ki LyeB mb ewZ
cwiYZ ne| Avgvi c wK Zv`i mv_ AvZvi eb Mo Zvjv me
ne? Aeafve wbqvM cvIqv ewiv hLb dvDkb Kvm 4_ w`b
Mfxi gvbwmK kvw jvfi Abyf~wZ e Ki dvDkbi mKj
Kvhg mwqfve AskMnYi AvMn e KiQbAvwg Kxfve Zvi
mv_ GKvZ nev?
Di : cwZwU cwZKjZv, cwZwU mgmv bZzb myhvM, bZzb mvebv wbq
Avm| Rxeb memgq mnR c_ Pj bv| Rxeb wK ij jvBb bv|
Rxeb nQ Sbv, Rxeb nQ b`x| Rxeb ivRc_ bv, Rxeb nQ
AuvKveuvKv c_| hviv ivRc_ Pj Zv`i Rxeb AbK mgq Kvbv
ARbB _vK bv| KviY h ARbi wfw `yej mUv KLbv vqx nq bv|
h ARbi wfw Abvq mB Abvq KLbv ckvw w`Z cvi bv|
Avi Avcbvi PvKwi hZ mvbRbK nvK memgq gb ivLeb h,
PvKwi gvb nQ Avcwb Zvi PvKi| hw` mUv wgkb bv nq| Avi GB
PvKwi hw` Avcwb bv-I KiZ Pvb Avcbvi eo nIqvi c_ Kvbv
Amyweav bB| evsjv`k mdj gvbyl`i KRb PvKwi Kib?
wekwe`vjqi wkKi msLv KZ? 10 nvRvi, 15 nvRvi ev 20 nvRvi
ne| wewmGm Awdmvi KZRb? Lye ewk nj 50 nvRvi| me wgwjq
aijvg GK jvL| GB GK jvL gvbylB wK mdj gvbyl? Gi evBi wK
mdj gvbyl bB? Gi evBi wK LvwZgvb gvbyl bB? Gi evBi wK
weevb gvbyl bB? Gi evBi wK kwgvb gvbyl bB? eis Gi evBiI
mdj LvwZgvb weevb kwgvb gvbyl AvQ| Zv`iK gvbyl Pb
ewk| Zv`i cwiwPwZ ewk, A_ ewk, LvwZ ewk, mvb ewk|
cwg evsjvi g~Lgx wQjb RvwZ emy| RvwZ emy Zv AvBwmGm
cixv A_vr Bwqvb wmwfj mvwfm cixvq dj KiwQjb| Zvi mv_
hviv cvm KiQ Zv`i KqRbi bvg Avcwb ejZ cvieb? wK
RvwZ emyi bvg kvbb wb ev Rvbb bv GiKg gvbyl Lye Kg AvQb|
AZGe PvKwi bv nIqvq Avcwb e_ nb wb| AviKRbi nq MQ,
nvK bv| Avcwb Aviv AbK wKQy nZ cvib| Avcbvi mvebv
ce 2 \ mvdj

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AbK| hviv cPwjZ c_ hZ cvi bv, AcPwjZ c_ wMq Zviv

AbK AbK ewk mdj nqQb|
Avgv`i AMvwbqvi`i ga AbK wekwe`vjqi wkK nb wb ev
wekwe`vjqi wkKZv Qo Pj GmQb| Zv`i Rxeb wK GKRb
wekwe`vjqi wkKi Pq Kg mvbRbK? Rxeb wK AbK eo
hw` RxebK mfve `LZ cvib, hw` GB vfUv cyl bv ivLb
Zvnj `Leb, Rxeb Avcbvi AbK wKQz Kivi AvQ| Avmj
gvbylK mePq wZM Ki Zvi GB vfGUv cjvg bv Kb? GB
h cjvg bv KbGB bwZevPK AbyiYb Avcbvi fZi nQ| GUv
Ab eo cvwi c_ mePq eo Aivq|
Avcwb kvKi Avjnvg`ywjj-vn ejyb h, Avgvi gvgv bB, PvPv bB,
kvKi Avjnvg`ywjj-vn! Avgvi UvKv bB, UvKv `qvi myhvM bB|
Avevi UvKv w`jI h myhvM nZv Zv-I wK bq| hw` RvqMvgZv
w`Z bv cvib ZLb UvKvI hve, QvjvI hve| Avi memgq gb
ivLebPvii `k w`b, Mni GKw`b| cwKvq Lei ewiqQwewR
cmi KvwRUi iscyi 12 Zjv evwo KiQ| XvKvq 10 Zjv evwo
KiQ ckc bKj Ki| Zvi mv_ Avevi wcGmwmi g^viI bvwK hy
AvQ| H g^vi mvnei mvbi GLb Kx ne? Abvq hLb Kieb,
Abvqi kvw AvcbvK cZ ne| AvR Kvj A_ev ci|
Avi, gv njv gn| Avcwb hLb Avcbvi kK, hvi viv Avcwb
wZM nqQb ZvK gv KiZ cvieb, ZLbB Avcwb gnr neb|
GB gvi wkvUvB nQ avbi wkv| I`i msNl Lvwj` web
Iqvwj`i RbB gymjgvbiv civwRZ nqwQjv| imyjyj-vn (m)-Gi `
gveviK knx` nIqv _K i Ki GZ mvnvexi h kvnv`vr njv, Gi
cQb g~j KviY wK Lvwj` web Iqvwj`i iY Kkj| mB Lvwj` web
Iqvwj` hLb wbRi fyj eySZ cvijb ZLb imyjyj-vn (m) wK ZvK
gv Kib wb? gv KiQb|
Avmj hKvbv gvbyl hKvbv Aevq hKvbv fyj Ki hw` AbyZ
nq, AbykvPbv Ki Ges mB KvR _K weiZ _vKvi wmv bq,
Avj-vn ZvK gv Ki `b| KviY AbykvPbvKvixK Avj-vn cQ`
Kib| Avcwb hZ ZvovZvwo gv KiZ cvieb ZZ fvjv _vKeb|
hviv Aeafve wbqvM cqQ, ZvivI hw` ea nq hvq, ZvivI hw`
240

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

fvjv KvR Ki, fvjv KvRK Avgiv mevB mg_b Kiev|

Avi ewMZ Rxeb KvbvwKQy bv cvIqvi KviY Kvbv vf
ivLeb bv| KviY GB vfUv Avcbvi wZi KviY ne| vf _K
hZ `~i _vKeb ZZ Avcbvi mvebvK weKwkZ KiZ cvieb|
mRb Avgiv ejev h, hZ `Z me gv Ki w`b Ges wbRi
Rxebi c_UvK eQ wbb h, GUv nq wb, GLb Avgvi weK Kx? GLb
Avgvi Kx Kx mvebv iqQ? `Z mB mvebvK KvR jvMvbvi Rb
Avcwb D`vMx nvb, Avcwb mdj neb| Avwg Zv memgq gb Kwi
h, KvqvUvg m`mi Kvbv wKQy bv nIqv gvb eySZ ne h, GUvi
gaB KjvY iqQ| mv Pvb h, Avcbvi viv Aviv eo wKQy nvK,
hUvK Avcwb mvbRbK gb KiQb Gi Pq eo wKQy Avcbvi Rb
Acv KiQ, hw` Avcwb Avcbvi vfUvK ei Ki w`Z cvib|
kZ nQ GKUvB, vf _K ewiq AvmZ ne| Zvnj Avcwb
Avcbvi mvebvK Lye PgrKvifve KvR jvMvZ cvieb|
ck : Avwg GKRb WUvj UKbvjwR| miKvwi PvKwi KiwQ|
miKvwi nvmcvZvj Avwg h KvRwU Kwi ev miKvi AvgvK w`q Kwiq
wbQ m KvRwU evBi AvgvK KiZ eaZv w`Q bv| Avwg cvBfU
cvKwUmi K_v ejwQ| G Avwg Kx KiZ cvwi?
Di : GLvb GKUv nQ bwZKZvi ck, AviKUv nQ AvBbi ck|
Avcbvi xi mv_ h AvPiYUv ea, AviKRbi xi mv_ mB AvPiY
hw` Avcwb KiZ hvb mUv Zv ea ne bv| GUv nQ AvBbi ck|
miKvwi PvKwi hw` Kib Zvnj miKvi h KvRi Rb cqmv w`Q,
h KvRi eaZv w`qQ, m KvRB KiZ ne, mB KvRB Kiv DwPZ|
Avgiv gb Kwi bxwZMZfve miKvwi KgPvix`i KvbviKg cvBfU
cvKwUm Kiv DwPZ bv| miKvwi KgPvix`i eZb Ggb cwigvY nIqv
DwPZ hvZ Zv`i cvBfU cvKwUm ev Ab KvbvwKQy Kivi cqvRb
bv nq| GKRb Wvvi, whwb wewmGm KvWvi hvM w`qQbZvi
wbRi fiY-cvlYi Rb, f`fve euP _vKvi Rb hvZ evBi Avi
wKQy KiZ bv nq GiKg eZb-j nIqv DwPZ|
wK eveZv nQ, Avgv`i wmgUvB Ggb hv Avgv`i AbK
ce 2 \ mvdj

241

wKQy KiZ eva Ki| GKRb cywjk Kbeji eZb KZ? GKRb
wiKkvIqvjv w`b DcvRb Ki KZ? GKRb wiKkvIqvjvi DcvRb
GKRb cywjk Kbeji DcvRbi Pq AZ `yBY ewk| A_P
ZvK gZv w`qQb AbK| cywjk KbejK wiKkvIqvjvi eZbI
`b bv, Zvnj m KieUv Kx?
AZGe hw` wbqgi evcvi ejb, wbqg Lye cwivi| Avi hw`
evaevaKZvi K_v ejb h, Avwg hv eZb cvwQ Zv w`q Avgvi PjQ
bv| AvcbvK Zv PjZ ne| mLvb hw` gvbyli KjvY Kib Zvnj
`vli wKQy `wL bv| Ze AvBb euvwPq Kieb| AvBb hw` eaZv bv
`q Zvnj Zv Avevi AvBbi duvK co hveb|
ck : Avwg 4,350 UvKv gvwmK eZb PvKwi KijI wZb eQi PvKwi
Rxeb mvZ j UvKvi evwo, 10wU wWwcGm, AbK mqc Ges AbK
UvKv evsK Rgv nq| Abvq Ki Avgvi AvZxq-cwiRbi 29 RbK
PvKwi `B, hviv cuvP eQi Awdm bv KiB eZb wbqQ| hnZz Zviv
mevB Qv wQjvKvm Kivi gvS Awdm bv Kivi eev KiwQjvg|
weqi AvMi w`b cwZv Kwi Ggb Abvq Avi Kiev bv| ci IB
PvKwi Qo `B| `yB jvL 20 nvRvi UvKv Nyl w`q GKwU wekwe`vjq
PvKwi bB| GLb ck njv, Avgvi nvivg DcvRbK Kxfve nvjvj
Kiev? GK Avjg ejQb ZIev KijI bvwK Avwg gvd cvev bv,
hnZz Avgvi me Rgv UvKv Abi| eZgvb PvKwii UvKvI bvwK nvivg,
hnZz Nyl w`q PvKwi nqQ| GB `ybxwZi UvKv w`q bvwK nR KijI
Keyj ne bv| Aek mgvR cwZwZ nIqvi Rb GgbwU `iKviI
wQjv| nvivg DcvRbKvixi ZIevi aib Kx? wevwiZ Rvbvj Avwgmn
Avgvi gZv AbKB DcKZ ne|
Di : wekwe`vjqi PvKwi, Zv-I `yB jvL 20 nvRvi UvKv Nyl!
Avgv`i mgvR GLb wmgUvB GiKg| KD eva nq Nyl Lvq| KD
NylK Nyl gb bv KiB Nyl Lvq| m gb Ki h, GUv Zvi cvIbv|
Kviv gb AbykvPbv nq| AwaKvski gb AbykvPbv nq bv| memgq
gb ivLeb, AZxZK Avcwb KLbv wdwiq AvbZ cvieb bv| wK
fwelr Avcbvi nvZi ga|
242

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

KZKgi Rb Avcwb ZIev Kib| ZIev Keyj Kivi gvwjK

Avj-vn| Ges Avj-vn Kvi ZIev Keyj Kieb, Kvi ZIev Keyj Kieb
bvG evcvi dZvqv `qvi Kvbv myhvM bB| Ze AbykvPbvUv
Ai _K nZ ne| mBmv_ ewk ewk `vb Kib Ges wmv wbb
h, gvbyli KjvY wbRi RxebK DrmM Kieb| KLbv Kviv
Agj Kieb bv Ges hZUv cvieb KjvY Kieb| Zvici Keyj
Kivi gvwjK Avj-vn| Avcbvi AbykvPbv, Avcbvi mrKg Avj-vn
hKvbv mgq Keyj KiZ cvib|

dvDkb hLb ckv

ck : Avwg Abvm ZZxq eli GKRb Qv| Avgvi BQv fwelZ
Kvbv mevg~jK msvq PvKwi Kiev| eZgvb GKwU msvi mv_
RwoZ| Avwg KvqvUvg dvDkbi mv_ RwoZ nZ PvB Ges GUvK
fwelr j wnme wbZ PvB| Avgvi Aek G ch e-vW Kv Qvov
Avi wKQy Kivi mfvM nq wb| Avwg wK KvqvUvg dvDkbK j
wnme wbZ cviev? cvij Kxfve Gev?
Di : hKvbv ZiY-ZiYxi Rb dvDkbK Rxebi j wnme
MnY Kivi Pq fvjv j Avi wKQy nZ cvi bv| GZ wZwb
GKvavi wbRK AvjvwKZ gvbyl wnme Mo Zvjvi myhvM cvQb,
Abw`K AvjvwKZ gvbyl Movi KvR wbRK DrmM KiZ cviQb|
wbRi mgq I gavi mevg eenvii GZ PgrKvi myhvM Ab
Kv_vI AvQ wKbv Avwg Rvwb bv| ckv hLb wgkb nq, ZLb m I
hyM-hYv DavI nq hvq|
ck : KvqvUvg dvDkb PvKwi KiZ nj AvgvK Kx cwqv MnY
KiZ ne?
Di : dvDkbi `iRv mevi Rb Dby| hKvbv ZiY ev ZiYx
GUvK wgkb wnme MnY KiZ cvib| dvDkbK hw` Avcwb wgkb
wnme MnY KiZ cvib, dvDkb hw` Avcbvi fvjevmv nq, Zvnj
ce 2 \ mvdj

243

mvb-mvbx mewKQyB Avcwb cveb| KviY GLbKvi hyM GKRb ZiY

ev ZiYxi Rb Gi Pq mvb Ab Kvbv ckvq cvIqv Lye KwVb|
dvDkbi GKRb AMvwbqvi h mvb cvb Ab hKvbv ckvi
AbK eo KZvI nqZv Zv cvb bv| GLvb h KvRi cwiek Ab
Kv_vI GiKg KvRi cwiek cvIqv Lye `yin evcvi|
Avi hw` gb Kib h, GUv miKvwi PvKwii gZv PvKwi, Zvnj
Avcbvi gvwbq bqvUv KKi nZ cvi| KviY GKRb AMvwbqvii
KwgUgU nQ hKvbv mgq hKvbv vb hKvbv KvR|
KvRcwgK Qvov, KvRUvK wgkb wnme bqv Qvov Ab Kviv c
GUv me bq| Avi G `wfw bv _vKj dvDkb GmI `Lv hve
h, GWRv KiZ bv ci wbRB Pj hvQb| Ze Avgiv Avbw`Z
h, dvDkb hviv AvQb Zv`i AwaKvskB AZ gavex Ges Zviv
cwiZmvbi w`K _K, mvbxi w`K _KI| mvbx hv-B nvK
Zvi eiKZ AbK ewk| Avi GKUv mgq Avme hLb dvDkb hvM
`qvUvB ne Kvwiqvii c_g cQ`|
ck : Avcwb ejwQjb, Avcbviv KvRi jvK cvb bv| Avcbv`i
KvRUv Kx? Kv_vq wMq KiZ ne? eZb AvQ wK bB? KvRi
hvMZvB ev Kx? me Rvbvbvi Rb webxZ Abyiva RvbvwQ| Avgiv
KvR KiZ PvB|
Di : Lye fvjv| Avcwb h KvRi Dchy dvDkb AvcbvK m
KvR w`Z cvi| Avcwb hw` Svo `qvi Dchy nb, Svo `qvi myhvM
iqQ, Avi Avcwb hw` KvDwji nIqvi hvM nb, Avcbvi KvDwji
nIqvi myhvM iqQ| h KvRi Rb Avcwb Dchy, m KvR
dvDkb AvcbvK w`Z cvi| Avi dvDkb KvRi hw` Kvbv
mvbx bv _vK, hw` KvR Ki wKQy cvIqv bv hvq Zvnj Avgiv euP
AvwQ Kxfve?
dvDkb KvRi Kvbv kl bB| hLb Avgiv dvDkb Mwo
ZLb Avgv`i `vwqZkxjiv fveZb, Kx KvR Kiev| AvR Zviv GZ
e h, Ab Kvbv wPv Kivi mgq Zv`i bB| Avi 10 eQi ci Kx
Aev ne mUv wPv Kib| GLb Zv GKB w`b wZb/PviUv cvMvg
244

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

nq, ZLb GKB w`b 30/40Uv cvMvg ne| GKUv mgq `Lv hve,
j jvK Avgv`i KvR KiQb| gvbylK AvjvwKZ Kivi Rb `j
`j wgkb wbq we`k hvQb| AZGe hviv KvR KiZ Pvb,
mwZKvii gnbZ KiZ Pvbmgq AvQ, mgq w`Z Pvb, dvDkb
Zv`i Rb memgq Dby|
ck : GKRb AvBwU GcvU wnme KvRi cwkY I AwfZv _vKv
mI GKvwaKevi cZvwiZ nqwQ| dvDkbK Kvwiqvi wnme wbZ
nj Kx aibi hvMZv I cwZ _vKv cqvRb? Avgvi `ZvAwfZvK KvqvUvg dvDkbi gvag RbKjvY jvMvZ PvB| Kx
KiZ ne?
Di : dvDkbi mv_ hvMvhvM Kieb| KviY dvDkb memgq
cwZkwZkxj cwZfvevb ZiY-ZiYx`iK LuvR Ki| whwb mev
KiZ cvieb, whwb AvwiKfve gvbylK mev w`Z Pvb, Zvi Rb
dvDkbi `iRv Dby| KviY Avgiv AbK KvR KiZ cviwQ bv ay
AvwiK jvKeji Afve|
Ze dvDkbi KvR AekB WwWKUW KvR| KvR whwb
fvjevmZ cvieb, dvDkb Zvi Rb| whwb KjvY wPv Kib,
dvDkb Zvi Rb|
fwelr Kx? Avgv`i AMvwbqvi`i ga KD KD XvKv
BDwbfvwmwUZ hvM`vb bv Ki GLvb GmQb| wewfb BDwbfvwmwUi
PvKwi Qo GLvb GmQb| Bwwbqvwis cdkb Qo GmQb|
gwWKj cdkb _K GmQb| Zv`iK wRm Kib, Avi BD
nvwc Ai bU? mewKQyi g~jvqb A_i gvb` nq bv| Zw w`q nq|
30 nvRvi UvKv eZb cq hw` 40 nvRvi UvKv LiP nq, Zvnj
10 nvRvi UvKv NvUwZ| Avi 15 nvRvi UvKv eZb cq hw` `yB nvRvi
UvKv mq nq Zvnj `yB nvRvi UvKv D| GUv nQ eiKZ|
dvDkb hviv KvR Kib Zv`i Rxeb GB eiKZ Ges ingZUv
AbK AbK ewk| AZGe hKvbv ZiY-ZiYxi Rb dvDkb
Dby| Ze Gi Rb wbRK hvM wnme Mo ZzjZ ne|
hviv Qv, Kvm c_g nvb| c_g mvwiZ _vKzb| wbRK Mo
ce 2 \ mvdj

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Zzjyb| hZ KvqvwUqvi iqQb Zv`iK Avgiv memgq ewj, cixv

ev` w`q, Kvm ev` w`q dvDkb bq| dvDkb nQ cixv Ges
KvmmnmLvb c_g nZ ne| gvbylK mev Kivi Rb mwZKvii
AvwiK gbvfve _vKZ ne, gvbyli Rb fvjevmv _vKZ ne|
hLbB Kvbv ckv fvjevmvq icvwiZ nq ZLb mLvb GKRb
gvbyl Zvi gavi mevg weKvk NUvZ cvi| mUv hKvbv ckv
nvK| Avcwb hw` Avcbvi ckvK fvjevmb, Avcwb hw` Avcbvi
wkKZvK fvjevmb, Avcwb hw` Avcbvi gwWKj cdkbK
fvjevmb, Avcwb hw` mev w`Z PvbAvwiKfve mev w`b| Avcbvi
gav P~ovfve weKwkZ ne| Avcwb mLvb fvjv Kieb| KviY
Avgv`i `k ` jvKi Afve cKU| Avgiv PvB h, ay dvDkb
bv, Avgv`i ZiY-ZiYxiv mgvRi mg RvqMvq hve Ges Zviv
`Zvi mv_ KvR Kie, cZKUv KvR bZZ `e| Avcwb
AUvgvevBj BwwbqviAvcbvi hvMZv Ggbfve mw KiZ ne h,
10 Rb Bwwbqvii bvg hw` wbZ nq, Avcwb hvZ mB 10 Rbi
GKRb nZ cvib| Avgiv Ggb ZiY-ZiYxB PvB| GB `Zv PvB,
GB hvMZv PvB| Avcwb hvMZv Wfjc Kib| `ywbqvi Kv_vI
Avcbvi KvRi Kvbv Afve ne bv|
ck : dvDkb GKvZ nZ nj wK KvqvUvg dvDkb Rqb
KiZ ne? hviv KvqvUvg Rqb Kie Zviv wK Avw_Kfve mQj
ne? dvDkbi eZbi UvKvq Zviv wK nR hvKvZ ev wbqwgZ `vbi
mvg_ jvf Kie?
Di : AbK mgq wiwRK`vZv ejZ Avgiv Avgv`i PvKwi, PvKwi
cwZvb ev AbK mgq ewK gb Kwi ev eemvK gb Kwi| eemv
ev PvKwi ev cwZvbGUv wiwRKi GKUv m~| GUv wK wiwRK`vZv
bq| wiwRK`vZv nQb Avj-vn| dvDkb hviv AMvwbqvi wnme
AvQb cZKK wRm KibKviv Kvbv FY AvQ wK bv| wRm
Kib Zv`i Afve AvQ wK bv|
Zv`i mncvVxhviv 40/50 nvRvi, 60/70 nvRvi UvKv eZb
cvQbgvm AZ eZb cqI Zviv FYM, Amy| Zviv Clv Kib
246

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

dvDkbi GB AMvwbqvi`i, Zv`i GB ez`i h, Zviv GZ fvjv

AvwQm Kxfve? GZ fvjv _vwKm Kxfve? Avwg Zv GZ UvKv cqI
GB Lvivc Aev| GB AmyL-wemyL, GBUv mBUv|
GKRb gvbyl 60 nvRvi UvKv DcvRb Ki Zvi hw` gvm 80 nvRvi
UvKv LiP nq Zvnj m c-vm _vKQ bv gvBbvm _vKQ? Avi GKRb
hw` 10 nvRvi UvKv DcvRb Ki Zvi bq nvRvi UvKv LiP nq ev 15
nvRvi UvKv DcvRb Ki hw` 12 nvRvi UvKv LiP nq Zvnj m c-vm
_vKQ bvwK gvBbvm _vKQ? Zv c-vm _vKvUv DcvRb bv gvBbvm
_vKv DcvRb? Avi Avgiv Avj-vni Kwiqv Av`vq Kwi h, hvKvZ Av`vq
ev Ab hKvbv `vb Kivi mvg_ Avgv`i AMvwbqvi`i AvQ|
nR hv`i Ici diR nqQ, Zv`i AbKB BZvga nR KiQb|

mwjewU Kvwiqvi
ck : GLbKvi ZiY-ZiYx`i GKUv eo AskB kvweR RMZi cwZ
AvKlY eva Ki| gWwjs ev AviR/ wWR A_ev wiqwjwU kv-Z
Ask bqvi bvg Giv h Rxebi w`K SzuKQ Zv KZUv A_c~Y?
Di : Avmj GLbKvi ZiY-ZiYx`i GB h RGUv AwaKvski
RbB wZKi nQ| KviY hme ZiY-ZiYx Gme gWwjs ev
AviR/ wWR-i bvg kvweR RMZ e nQ, Zv`i AwaKvskB GK
chvq wbR`iK cY Qvov Avi KvbvwKQy fveZ cvi bv| KviY
GUv fveZ bv cvij Zviv wUK _vKZ cvie bv|
hgb, GgbI bvwqKv ev gWj AvQb hvi gv ZvK LZ w`Z Pvb
bv| Nii wdR Zvjv w`q ivLb hvZ gq ZvK bv Rvwbq Ggb wKQy
Lq djZ bv cvi hvZ Zvi IRb eo hve| KviY IRb evoj
Zvi m`h Kge, cwiPvjKiv ZvK Kg cQ` Kie| `kK Pvwn`v
Kge| AZGe wL`q K cjI ZvK bv LqB _vKZ ne
AwPgmvi _vKvi Rb| GB gvqi KvQ Zvi gq GKwU cY Qvov
Avi wKQy bq, m Zvi KvQ cqmv DcvRbi GKwU gvag gv|
cqmvi Rb Zviv Kx bv KiQ? GB h ZviKviv wevcbi gWj
nQbmePq eo gMvviniK iKg cYi Rb hfve gWj
ce 2 \ mvdj

247

nb, ZvZB evSv hvq, cqmvi Rb ZviKviv hKvbv wKQyi cB

ejZ cvi|
Avevi Gi AviKUv w`KI AvQ| Avgiv fvwe, kvweR RMZ
MjB eva nq Kuvwo Kuvwo DcvRb Kiv hve| Avmj wK Zv bq|
GKKRb viewjDW ev nwjDWi h bvqK-bvwqKv`i `L Avgiv
gvwnZ nB, Avgiv Zv`i icvwj Rxebi PvKwPKUvB ay `wL, K ev
Aaemvqi welqjv `wL bv| Avi Gi dj hv nqQ, Avgv`i
GLbKvi DVwZ ZviKv`i GKUv eo Ask wKQyw`b ciB Si hvQ|
GB h Avgv`i `k ZvgvKB LyuRQ evsjv`k ev mycvivi
bvg h wiqwjwU kv-jv nQ Gjvi ga w`q cwZeQi h
ZviKviv ewiq AvmQ Zv`i Kx Aev? weRqx nIqvi ci AgyK
wevcb, ZgyK PjwP, GB G^vmWi, mB we`k mdi, cvBR gvwb,
Mvwo, dvU BZvw` WvgvWvj Zviv GZB Avc-yZ nq hvQ h, Gici
Avi wbR`iK Mo Zvjvi cqvRb Zviv eva KiQ bv| dj nvwiq
hvQ| AvR ch Avgv`i `k GB wiqwjwU kv-i ga w`q KRb
ZviKv weKwkZ nqQ?
Avmj Giv GKevi wgwWqvi nvIqv cjB gb Kinq MwQ!
GLb hfve cviv KvgvI| gavK kvwYZ Kivi Rb mvabv Kivi
mgq I myhvMKvbvUvB Giv cvq bv| dj iwOb dvbymi gZv
wKQyY ci wgwjq hvq| eveZv nQ, GLbKvi kvweRiv mMB
AvBRbvBb, AvjdW wnPKK, mZwRr ivq, gvdv Avv`, Rwni
ivqnvb, gn`x nvmvb, jZv gykKii gZv KvjRqx cwZfvi ^vi
ivLZ cviQb bv| Avmj cvIqvi Rb QyU KLbv KvjRqx nIqv hvq
bv| KvjRqx nZ nj `qvi Rb QyUZ nq, mvabvq jxb nZ nq|

Kvwiqvi \ mwVK aviYv

ck : w`bivZ cwikg ev KvRUvB Rxeb gb KiZ bv cvij mvaviYZ
chv Avq Kiv hvq bv| Avevi chv Avq bv _vKj ckvq DbwZ Kivi
gZv gvbwmK ckvw _vK bv| RxweKv I KgRxebi ga cv_K Kx?
Gi ga _vKj Zv _K gywi Dcvq Kx?
248

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Di : Avgv`i ckv msv avbaviYv I `wfw GKmgq wbqwZ

nZv BsiR cewZZ wkveev viv| GLb Avgv`i Kvwiqvi msv
mg fvebv wbqwZ nQ ^vaxbZvi ci _K h kYx KvjvevRvwi I
jyUcvU Ki cPzi m`i gvwjK nqQ Zv`i viv| GB `ye`i
GKwU eo Ask eemv I ivRbxwZi mv_ RwoZ Ges G`i jyUcvUi
mnhvMx AbK emvgwiK-mvgwiK Avgjv| GB cqmvIqvjv`i `yB
b^wi Rxebhvcb `L Ges mB mv_ 90-Gi `kK _K wgwWqv I
cY`vmZi cfve Kvwiqvi nq DVQ ay A_ DcvRbi gvag|
Zv`i KvQ Kvwiqvi nQ AbK DcvRb KiZ cviv Avi efve
RweK fvM-wejvm g _vKZ cviv| A_vr ay elwqK Pvwn`v c~iY
bq, c~iYi ci hZ D ivLv hvq m nQ ZZ mdj| hgb, Avgvi
GKUv evwo `iKvi| GKUvi ewk `yUv evwoZ Zv Avwg _vKZ cviev
bv| wK Avgvi 15Uv gvbkb AvQ, 30Uv wfjv AvQ| Kx Kiev 30Uv
wfjv w`q? wK AvQ, GUvB Avgvi mvdj|
GLb Avgv`i AwaKvskiB Kvwiqvi msv GKgv jGKwU
Z_vKw_Z mvbRbK ckvq hZ Kg mgq hZ ewk me A_ DcvRb
Kiv| Avgiv Wvvi nq eo nvmcvZvj cuvP jvL UvKv eZbi PvKwi
Kivi ^c `wL, Bwwbqvi nq Kwgkb cZ PvB A_ev GgweG Ki
iZB jvL UvKv eZbi PvKwi PvB| mUv hLb cvwi bv ZLb nZvk
nq cwo|
GKmgq wkK`i ga h_ Zw wQjv| wK eZgvb cRbi
wkK`i ga Zw bq eis nZvkvB `Lv hvq| weklZ wekwe`vjqi
wkK`i ga nZvkv Aviv ewk| wK GKmgq ay wekwe`vjqi
wkK bq, cvBgvwi zji wkK`i gaI Zw wQjv| wZwb
wkKGB Avb`B ZvK cwiZ ivLZv| wK GLb wKQy ewZg
Qvov wkK`i Kviv gaB Zw bB| KviY Zv`i KvQ wkKZv
Kvbv wgkb bq, GUv GKUv PvKwi| Zviv gb KiQb h, Ab
PvKwiZ ewk DcvRb Kivi myhvM AvQ| Zviv ewk DcvRb KiZ
cviQb bv, ZvB Zviv nZvk nq coQb|
Avevi hviv cPyi DcvRb KiQb ZvivI kvwZ bB| KviY GLb
ckvMZ mvdji h msv m Abyhvqx mdj nZ Mj Rxebi Ab
mew`KK AMvn Ki UW Uvbvii gZv Awdm co _vKZ ne|
ce 2 \ mvdj

249

eemv KiZ nj gvbyli `n ci gv_v emvZ ne, A_vr wbRi

gvbweKZvK wemRb w`Z ne| gvbwmK ckvw ^v cwievimewKQyB
nvivZ ne| h KviY mvBKvjwR UzW-Z cKvwkZ GKwU Rwic
`Lv MQ, cwZ cuvPRb GKRb wmBI welYZvq fvMb| e wmBI
AvZnZvI KiQb|
ZvB RxweKv KLbv Kvwiqvi ev KgRxeb nZ cvi bv| KgRxeb
Aviv AbK evcK| KgRxeb njvAvgvi gZzmsev` Avwg Kxfve
`LZ PvB, A_vr Rxebi mKj mvdj ARb Ki cwiZwi
mv_ gviv hvIqv|
Gi Rb cqvRb Ggb ckv wbevPb Kivh ckvi Me AvQ,
A_vr h Kg cvw_e KjvY Ges cvijwKK KjvY w`Z cvi| Avwg
hv-B Kwi, mUv w`q Avwg hZUzKz me gvbyli KjvY Kiev Ges
Avgvi gavK Avwg mevg chvq eenvi Kiev| Ges mB mevi
cwZ`vb Avwg cvevB|
GKRb Wvvi hw` ay `wfw cwieZb Ki djb h, Avwg GB
ivMxi mev Kiev, m Zv GgwbZB wdm `e| hgb Avgv`i
`ki GKRb cLvZ Wvvi Zvi P^vi mvBbevW jvwMq iLQb
h, Avw_K Amyweav _vKj wbtmsKvP ejyb| A_vr UvKvi Afve
GKRb wPwKrmv KivZ Gm Avgvi KvQ wPwKrmv cve bvGUv hw` nq,
Zvnj Avwg Avgvi Wvvwi ckvi Aegvbbv Kijvg|
wZxqZ, Rxeb hZjv w`K AvQ mejv w`Ki ga evj
Ki Pjv| Avwg weq Kijvg bv, Avjv`v evcvi; wK weq Ki
AvgwiKvZ _vKjvg, ay DcvRb Kijvg, Avgvi cwievi-cwiRb
GLvb _vKjv, Avgvi QjK Avwg gvbyl KiZ cvijvg bv| mUv
evj Kiv njv bv|
A_vr Avgvi KgRxebK Ggbfve mvRvZ ne, hUv Avgvi
gavK weKwkZ Kie, cvwievwiK KjvY Kie, mvgvwRK KjvY Kie
Ges h KvRi cwZ`vb Avwg `ywbqvZ cvev Ges AvLivZI cvev|
GwUB nQ mdj Kvwiqvi Ges GwUB nQ mdj KgRxeb|
ck : Avgiv mvaviYZ covkvbv kl Ki Rxeb cwZwZ nIqvK
gavi ^xKwZ gb Kwi| cKZc Rxeb gavi weKvk I gavi
250

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

^xKwZ ejZ Avgv`i Kx evSv DwPZ? Avwg hw` cPzi UvKv DcvRb
KiZ PvB wK Avgvi Dk hw` nq Zv KjvYKi KvR LiP Kiv I
mgvR wbRi k wfw ivLv I wbR vvW jvBd wjW Kiv Zvnj
Amyweav AvQ wK bv| UvKv ARbi g~j Dk Kx nIqv DwPZ?
Di : Avgiv Avmj GB wWjykb memgq fywM h, AbK UvKvcqmv
DcvRb Kiev, Zvici mrKg Kiev| GB Dk wbq AwaKvsk ZiY
Zvi Rxeb i Ki| wK UvKvcqmv DcvRb KiZ wMq m
UvKvcqmvi bkvq co hvq| ZLb Kvbv cwigvY UvKvB Zvi KvQ
h_ gb nq bv| m gb Ki Aviv DcvRb Kiev, Aviv eo KvR
Kiev| Ges UvKv DcvRb KiZ KiZ Ggb mgq Avm hLb fvjv
KvR ev mevg~jK KvR Avi Kiv nq bv|
AZGe `yUv KvRB cvkvcvwk KiZ ne| hw` mevg~jK wKQy KiZ
PvB Zvnj wPvUv i KiZ ne KvR w`q, UvKv w`q bq| Avgvi Kx
AvQ, Avwg Kx mev w`Z cvwi| Avi hw` UvKvcqmv DcvRb Ki fvMwejvm Rxeb KvUvZ PvB mUv wfb K_v| Avcwb hfve cvib UvKv
DcvRb Kib| wK AbK DcvRb KijB hw` mev Kiv hZ Zvnj
evsjv`ki mg abKzeiB meK nq hZ| KviY ZiY eqm
Zv`iI nqZv GiKg ^c wQjv| AZGe AvcbvK cwivi nZ ne
h, Avcwb UvKv Pvb, bv mev KiZ Pvb|
Avmj Rxeb gavi weKvk nQAvwg h KvRUv KiZ fvjevwm,
h KvRUv Abi Rb KjvYKi m KvR Avwg Avgvi `Zv mw
KiZ cviwQ wK bv| hgb Avwg KweZv coZ fvjevwm wK Avwg
KweZv wjLZ cvwi bv, G Kwe wnme Avgvi gavi weKvk njv
bv| wK Avevi hw` Avwg KweZvi mgvjvPbv fvjv wjLZ cvwi, Zvnj
mgvjvPK wnme Avgvi gavi weKvk njv|
Avi mvaviYZ nxbb jvKivB ^xKwZ LuyR eovq| KviY ^xKwZ
LuvRv A_nxb| Avwg ^xKwZ LuyRwQGi A_ njv, Avwg h fvjv KvR
KiwQ G evcvi Avgvi Avvi Afve AvQ|
ck : Avwg h Re KiwQ mUv Avgvi Rb AZ nvjKv KvR nq
MQ| AviKUz fvix KvR `iKvi| eZb AZ AvKlYxq nIqvq
ce 2 \ mvdj

251

QvoZI BQ KiQ bv| KviY mgeZb Ges fvjv Kvvwbi

AviKwU Re cvIqv mgqi evcvi| Avwg Re mvwUmdKkb cvwQ bv|
KvRjv evwis jvM| Avgvi Kx Kiv DwPZ?
Di : GUv Zv Lye PgrKvi| Avcwb nvjKv KvR fvix eZb cvQb,
Avcwb nvjKv KvRB Kib| Avi h mgqUzKz euP hvQ m mgqUzKzK
KvR jvMvb| Avmj KgRxeb ev Kvwiqvi gvb Zv ay ckv bv|
Rxebi wewfb Avgv`i Ae`vbi mgw Avgv`i KgRxeb|
hgb, QvqvbUi cwZvZv cqvZ Iqvwn`yj nK ckvq wQjb GKRb
mvsevw`K| wK Zvi ckvi evBii KvR A_vr QvqvbUi cwZvB ZvK
iYxq KiQ| AvcwbI evwK mgqUzKzZ gvbyli Rb KvR Kib|
Avi G KvR dvDkb Zv AvQB| `Leb Avcwb Zw cvQb|
ck : Avwg GKRb PvKwiRxex| ckv-evmv-dvDkb-Gi mv_ Kxfve
mg^q Kiev?
Di : GUv me| PvKwii GKUv wbw` mgq _vK| KLbv KLbv GUv
wbw` mgqi evBi Pj hvq| wK GUv hw` AwZwi evBi Pj hvq
Ges GUv hw` Avcbvi wgkbi mv_ mshy bv nq ZLb GUv Avcbvi
gaB GKUv nZvkv mw Kie|
ZvB Avgv`i `wfw memgq nIqv DwPZAvgiv h ckvZB hvB,
m ckvZ `Zv ARbi cvkvcvwk hvZ Avwg Avgvi wgkbi Rb,
Rxebi Rb, mNi Rb, dvDkbi Rb mgq w`Z cvwi|
evmvK evj KiZ cvwi| Zv bv nj nqZv UW Uvbvii gZv nq
hZ ne, Rxeb A_ _vKe wK ckvw _vKe bv| KviY e KLbv
vqx Zw w`Z cvi bv|
eMZ mvdji cvkvcvwk Avgiv memgq Lqvj ivLevGUv Avgvi
AvZvK KjywlZ KiQ wK bv| Avgvi AvZv AenwjZ wK bv| hw`
Avgvi AvZv AenwjZ nq, mUvZ Avmj kvw cvev bv| AZGe,
memgq evj KiZ ne|

252

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

mvdji Pvivevwj
mvd

ce 2 \ mvdj

253

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KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

AcPq \

AcPq Kx? Kb?

ck : evsjv`k ZZxq weki GKwU `wi` `k ej cwiwPZ njI GK
kYxi gvbyli Rxebhvv GZB wejvmej h, G ee wekvm Kiv
k| Avgvi GK AvZxq AvQ| cuvPZviv nvUj ez`i wbq wbqwgZ
eyd wWbvi gv_vwcQy Zvi h eq nq Zv w`q Abvqvm GKwU 10
m`mi cwievii mviv gvmi LvIqv LiP wgU hve| G wejvwmZv
KZUv MnYhvM?
Di : `y`kvi GKwU cavb KviYB nQ G Aceq ev AcPq ceYZv|
Avgiv AbK B eywS bv h, hUvK Avgiv eq gb KiwQ, Zv
Avmj Aceq| ewMZfve hgb GwU mwZ, RvwZMZfveI Zv
mwZ| hgb evsjv`k we`yr Drcv`bi bvg KvwU KvwU UvKv eq
Kiv njI we`yr eevi Zgb Kvbv DbwZ nq wb| KviY G UvKvjv
AwaKvsk B eq Kiv nqQ AcwiKwZfve, AcqvRbxq LvZ|
hgb Kv_vI nqZv e`ywZK LyuwU vcb Kiv nqQ wK mLvb we`yr
Drcv`bi Kvbv eev Kiv nq wb| Avevi Kv_vI nqZv eqej
we`yrK` vcb Kiv nqQ wK h_vh_ Uvwgkb jvBb Zwi nq wb|
wkvLvZI GKB Aev| Aby`vb ev miKvwi mvnvh wekvj Ges
eqej me zj ev KjR wews wbgvY Kiv nqQ| wK mLvb
covbvi Kvbv wkK bB| dj Zvjve nq co AvQ ev evmvevwo
wnme `Lj nq AvQ Gme eqej febjv|
Avgv`i `k AcPq ceYZv meZ AwekvmiKg ewk| h KviY
G`k abx-`wi`i eeavb AwekvmiKgfve evoQ| Avgv`i `ki
GKRb LvZbvgv A_bxwZwe` W. KvRx LwjKzgvb KvqvUvg gy
AvjvPbv Abyvb Gm ejwQjb, miKvwi wnme 1991-92-G abxi
Avq wQjv `wi`i Avqi 18 Y ewk, 95-96-G GUv nq 27 Y
ewk, 2000 mvj nq 46 Y ewk Ges 2005 mvj 84 Y ewk|
A_vr gv 15 eQi 18 Y _K 84 Y icvwiZ nqQ| A_vr hvi
Kg AvQ Zvi Avq Aviv KgQ, hvi ewk AvQ, Zvi Avq Aviv
evoQ| GUvB njv AcPqi cwiYwZ|
ce 2 \ mvdj

255

Avmj h RvwZ AcPq Ges wejvm-emb wj nqQ, ZvivB

GKmgq nZ`wi` Ges Amnvq Aevq wbcwZZ nqQ| BwZnvm Gi
fywi fywi D`vniY iqQ|
gyNj ev`kvn`i wejvwmZvi K_v meRbwew`Z| m mgqKviB
GKRb bevei eveywP wbqvM Kiv ne| bZzb eveywP wnme hvK wbqvM
`qv njv m Gm c_g h KvRwU Kijv Zv njv, ivbvNi _K 10
gY wN b`gvq dj w`jv|
mevB Zv fxlY AevK, z| bvwjk Mj bevei KvQ| beve b
z njb bv, Zvi kvwi eev Kijb bv| wZwb ay ejjb, wVK
AvQ, Aviv 10 gY wN ZvK cvwVq `vI|
eveywP ZLb ejjv, nuv, G bevei PvKwi Avwg Kiev| KviY Nvi
ci Nv Rvj w`q Nb Ki wN-Gi wbhvm w`q h Avwg ivbv Kiev Zv
mieivn Kivi mvg_ G bevei AvQ| Avi GUv cixv Kivi RbB
Avwg b`gvq wN dj w`qwQ| GZ hw` wZwb z nZb, Zvnj
eySZvg Avwg Avgvi cQ`gZv wejvm-emb ivbv KiZ cviev bv|
m Zvi eveywPi PvKwi KivI Avgvi c me nZv bv| A_vr G
beve`i eveywPI KZUv wejvmx wQjv|
GB ivRv-ev`kv`i cwiYwZI wK Lye KiY| 70-Gi `kK
fviZi w`wj- Ges KjKvZvq kl gyNj mgvU evnv`yi kvni `yRb
Aab cyilK cvIqv Mj| GKRb avcvi KvR Ki, AviKRb Uvbv
wiKkv Pvjvq|
A_P h RvwZ ev h `kjv GLb wekK bZZ w`Q GB GKwU
Zviv memgq mPZbwnme mPZbZv Ges AcqvRbxq eq
_K weiZ _vKv| Avi hviv mwU cvi wb mme wekvj wekvj Rbc`i
Ici cfyZ wevi Ki Zv`iK cwiPvwjZ KiQ Gme z` Rbmgwi
`k ev RvwZjv|
ZvB ewMZfve ev RvwZMZfve hZY bv G AcPqjvK
kbv Ki Zv _K gy nIqv hve, ZZY ew Ges RvwZi Rxeb
mgw Avme bv, ckvw Avme bv|
ck : AcPqi ceYZvwU Zv Avmj eojvK`i evcvi| Avgv`i
gZv Qv-cvlv gvbyliv Kxfve AcPq Kie?
256

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Di : Avmj AcPqi evcviwU GZ evcK Ges m~ h, ay DPwe

bq, wbgawe Ges wbwe`i gaI G ceYZv iqQ| GKRb
MvgUm gvwjKi cheY nQ, Zvi Kgx`i Avqi GKUv eo AskB
cwZgvm Pj hvq Zvi cwZvbi wbPi Zjvq h Qwe Zvjvi zwWIwU
iqQ m `vKvb wbR`i Qwe Zzj|
Pv-kwgK`i RxebI GKBiKg| mvn kl h gRywi G kwgKiv
cvq, mvejv evwo divi c_ Zv wbq m c_g XvK ivvi cvk
g`i `vKvb| g` Ges Ryqvi cQb me cqmv LiP Ki kl ivZ
k~b nvZ m evwo di| eva nq ciw`b ZvK Pvj-Wvj wKbZ nq
avi Ki| h KviY Pv-kwgKiv KLbv FYgy _vKZ cvi bv,
memgqB ZvK PjZ nq aviKR Ki| Zviv KLbv kwgK-Rxeb Qvov
Ab wKQy fveZ cvi bv| esk-ciivq Zviv mevB Pv-kwgK| KviY
kwgK, mvvwnK DcvRb, g`i `vKvb Ges ciw`b Avevi kwgKGB
PB NyicvK LvQ Zviv|
Avgv`i GLbKvi mgvRI GB GKB eveZv| gb nq h, abxivB
eva nq ay AcPq Ki| abxiv `kZ AcPq KijI AbK B
Avmj Zv Zv`i wewbqvM| wK mvaviY gawe ev wbwe gvbyl
wgwWqvi PUK`vi wevcb cjy nq AcqvRbxq h eq Ki dj,
Zvi cyivUvB Zvi AcPq|
B`vbxs G AcPqi Rj D`vniY njv, gvevBj dvbi `ivZ|
abx-Mwie wbwekl mevB QyUQ G gvevBji cQb| wK cfveUv
Mwiei Ici hgb, abxi Ici Zv Zv bq|
Avgv`i `k GLb gvevBj eenviKvixi msLv cvq mvZ KvwU|
15 KvwU gvbyli `k mvZ KvwU A_vr cvq AaK gvbyli KvQ
gvevBj AvQ| gvevBji nqZv wKQy KvhKvwiZv AvQ| mnR
hvMvhvM, eemv, Z_i Av`vb-c`vb BZvw` wKQy myweav
nqQ| wK me wK Zv-B?
weklZ, ZiY mgvRi GKUv eo Ask hfve GLb gvevBjAvm nq coQ Zv wK Zv`i Rb KjvYKi nQ? AnZzK Avv,
GmGgGm, AcqvRbxq mK Rwoq cov Ges mgq AcPq Ki
covkvbv bGmei GKUv eo KviYB nQ GB gvevBj|
Kb Zvi gvevBj jvMe? KviY m Zvi Kvmi ez`i `LQ
ce 2 \ mvdj

257

Zv`i nvZ nvZ Lye `vwg gvevBj mU| wUwfZ wevcb `LQ
gvevBj _vKj GUv nq, mUv nq BZvw`| dj AbK mgq mvg_ bv
_vKjI gv-evevK eva Ki gvevBj wKb w`Z, KLbv ev evmv _K
UvKv Pzwi Ki gvevBj Kb|
GgbI nqQgv Abi evwoZ KvR Ki msmvi Pvjvq, ZvKI
Zvi zjcoqv Qji Pvc eva nq avi Ki gvevBj wKb w`Z
nqQ Ges Gi gvag Mwiei KvwRZ A_ wK Pj hvQ abxi
cKUB| dj Mwie Aviv Mwie nQ Ges abx nQ Aviv abx|
A_vr wbRi ARvB AcPq-Aceq Rwoq KvwU KvwU UvKv
Avgiv Zzj w`wQ eRvwZK Kvvwbi we`wk gvwjKMvxi KvQ Ges
Gi mePq eo KviY nQ Avgv`i AZv ev Awe`v| cuvP UvKv w`q
Pxbvev`vg bv Lq Avgiv 15 UvKv w`q wPcm LvB| evmvq cuvP UvKvi
Avjy w`q h ddvB Zwi Kiv hvq, Zv 80 UvKv/ 100 UvKv w`q
wKb LvB dvdzW kc| KviY Avgiv fvwe, GZB evanq cyw ewk,
dzUvwb ev AvwfRvZ ewk|
ck : KD gviv Mj gZi AvZvi kvwi Dk 40 w`b ci LvIqv`vIqvi AvqvRb Kiv nq| GwU wK AcPq? weK Kx Kiv hZ cvi?
Di : GB h gZi Dk LvIqv-`vIqvi AvqvRbaib, GK
nvRvi jvK wgj LvIqv-`vIqv Kijv| KD Lywk njv, KD ALywk
njv, ivbv fvjv, bv g`G wbq ZK-weZK njv, K Kx cjv, bv
cjv Zv wbq gb-KlvKwl njvGmei dj gZi AvZvi kvw nq
wK bv fe `Lyb| eis Gme nB-j-vo, SMov-dvmv` Zvi AkvwKB
nqZv evwoq `q|
Avmj gZi cwZ DrmMxKZ mrKg I `vqvB Zvi AvZvK kvw
w`Z cvi| GKRb ejwQjb, Zvi gvqi gZzevwlKx Dcj Mvg
gRevwb A_vr LvIqv-`vIqvi cPjb wQjv cwZeQi| Gevi wZwb
MvgevmxK ejjb, Zviv ivwR nj G eQi gRevwbZ hv LiP nZv Zv
w`q wZwb GKwU wUDeIqj emvZ Pvb| Mvgevmxiv mg^i nuv ejjv|
emvbv njv GKwU wWc wUDeIqj, hv _K Mvgevmx we cvwb
msMni myhvM cjv|
258

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

GUvB m`Kvq Rvwiqv, A_vr H wUDeIqj _K hZw`b hZ gvbyl

cvwb cve, ZZw`b Gi mIqve H gZi bvg jLv nZ _vKe| GwUB
gZi AvZvi cKZ kvw weavbi c_|
ck : cqvRb Avi AcPqGB `yBqi ga cv_K Kiev Kxfve?
Di : cqvRb Avi AcPqGB `yBqi ga cv_K Kiv Lye mnR|
Avcbvi cvkvKi K_vB aibcvkvK memgq Avcbvi cwieki
DchvMx nIqv DwPZ| menviv`i mgvek Avcwb eZv KiZ
hvQb| mLvb Quov RvgvKvco ci Avcwb nqZv hZ cvib| wK
Kvbv cuvPZviv nvUj Avcwb Ime ci XyKZB cvieb bv|
Avevi Avcbvi RyZv cqvRb| wK hw` gb Kib, G RyZvq
Wvqg emvbv _vKZ ne, kvUi evZvg mvbvi Zwi nZ ne,
Zvnj GUv evj-AcPq| Avcbvi 10/20 mU Rvgv _vKZ cvi|
hLb bZzb wKbeb, cyibvjv hv Avcwb Avi cieb bv, Afvex`i
w`q w`b| wK hw` 200 mU Rwgq ivLZ Pvb, mUv ne AcPq|
Avmj cqvRb Avi AcPqi ga cv_K KiZ bv cvij Kx nq,
mcwZ RvwZmsNi GKwU wicvU Zvi GK KiY wP dzU DVQ|
evwRji wiI wW RwbivZ UKmB Dbqb welqK kxl mjb
RvwZmsN cwiek Kgm~wPi G cwZe`b ejv nqQ, wek cwZeQi
130 KvwU Ub Lv` web nq| GUv wek gvU Drcvw`Z Lv`i GKZZxqvsk| Gi ga mePq ewk b nq BDivc I Di AvgwiKvi
`kjvZ| cwZeQi mLvb 22 KvwU 20 jvL Ub Lvevi fvjv I
ZvRv Aevq dj `qv nq hv MvUv mve-mvnviv Aj GKeQi
Drcvw`Z Lv``ei cvq mgvb23 KvwU Ub|
GfqwWs wdDPvi dvwgbm ev fwelr `ywf Govbvi Dcvq kxlK
G cwZe`bwUi Ici GKwU Lei cKvwkZ nq 26 Ryb, 2012w`
UvBgm Ad Bwqvq| GZ ejv nq, weki KvwU KvwU gvbyl hLb bv
Lq _vKQ, DbZ weki gvbyl ZLb eQi gv_vwcQy 95 _K 115
KwR Lvevi b KiQ| mvgwK chvq G wnmveUv Aviv ewk280
_K 300 KwR| ay wkvbZ `kjvB eQi b Ki 670 wgwjqb
Ub Lvevi hvi ga iqQ mewR _K i Ki djg~j ch|
ce 2 \ mvdj

259

cwienbi mgq c_ A_ev fvvi wbRi nvZB dj `qv Gme

Lvevi KLbv H zavZ gvbyljvi KvQ ch hvq bv|
Rwic `Lv hvq, ga I DP Avqi `kjvZ LvIqvi DchvMx
_vKv mI Lvevi dj `qvi ceYZv Dj-LhvM| AvgwiKvq Kbv
Lvevii 25 kZvskB dj `qv nq| Abw`K gqv` dzwiq hvIqv
Ges gvKwUs Advii duv` co cqvRbi Pq ewk Kbvi KviY
wewUkiv cvq GK-ZZxqvsk Lvevi dj `q| wkvbZ `kjvZ 40
kZvski ewk Lv`B b nq LyPiv wew I fvv chvq|
wb Avqi `kjvZ wK AcPq nq bv? nq Ges Zv wkvbZ
`ki Pq Lye GKUv KgI bqeQi 630 wgwjqb Ub| Ze mUv
g~jZ Lv` msiY cqvRbxq AeKvVvgvi Afve| hgb, h_vh_fve
`vgRvZ bv Kivi KviY ev mwVK cwqvKiYi Afve|
Dbqbkxj `kjvZ dmj Zvjvi ci cwqvKiYi Afve 40
kZvsk Lv` b nq hvq| `wYc~e Gwkqvq mePq ewk b nq Pvj|
GQvovI mvgyw`K grm AvniYi mgq bq _K 15 fvM web nq| Avi
gvQ Kbvi ci fvv`i evwoZ b nq Qq _K AvU fvM| G aibi
Lv` wechq iva K`xq Lv` msiYvMvi, mgw^Z cwienb eev
Ges evRvi myweav Mo Zvjvi mycvwik Kiv nqQ|
A_vr Lv`i Kvbv Afve bB| AcPq mK mPZbZv mw Kiv
Mj, cqvRbi AwZwii evcvi ewK Ges mvgwK `wfw Mo
Zvjv Mj, Lv`vfve ev `ywf ej cw_exZ KvbvwKQy _vKe bv|
ck : gq`i cvkvKi `vgi Kvbv mxgv wK wbYq Kiv DwPZ?
mUv KZ nZ cvi? Avgvi hw` Kvbv cvkvK Lye cQ` nq Ges Avwg
eywS, Avwg mUv ew`b ai eevi Lye GwcwkqU Ki eenvi Kiev,
Zvnj wK GKUz `vg w`q nj Avwg m cvkvK wKbZ cvwi? iziU
ev cvkvKi LiP GKUv wbw` mxgvi ewk nj gvU LiPi GKUv
wbavwiZ Ask Avgiv gvwUi evsK `B| GUv wK fvjv KiwQ, bvwK
wbRi AcPqK MnYhvM Kivi Pv KiwQ?
Di : cvkvK Avmj memgq vb-Kvj Ges ewZi m gvbvbmB
nIqv DwPZ A_vr mvgvwRK Ges ckvMZ Aevbi m mvhyRc~Y nZ
260

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

ne| hLb hLvb Aevb KiQb ev hvQb Zvi m gvbvbmB nIqv

DwPZ| hgb, weqevwoi mvR Avi gZi evwoZ hvIqvi mvR-cvkvK
mZ KviYB Avjv`v ne| Avevi KuvPvevRvi hvIqvi cvkvK Avi
Uwjwfkb cvMvg AskMnYi cvkvK AekB GK ne bv|
GB vb-Kvj weePbvq iwPmZ cvkvK m `vgB Kbv DwPZ hv
hywmZ Ges MnYhvM, hv AhwKfve Pov `vgi bq Ges jvK
`Lvbv ev dzUvwb Kivi RbI bq|
ck : Avgvi x Mqbv ciZ fvjevm, hw`I m wnRve ci| wK
Rbw`b, weevnevwlKx ev C`i mgq ZvK mvbvi PBb AvswU Pzwo
BZvw` w`j m Lye Lywk nq| Gjv wK AcPq?
Di : xK Mqbv wKb w`Z evav bB| hZ cvib wKb w`b, hvZ
ci wZwb mUvi hvKvZ Av`vq KiZ cvib|
ck : `vKvb`vi`i mv_ `i`vg KiZ BQv nq bv| cuvP-`k UvKv
ewk `vg wKb dwj| GUv wK AcPq?
Di : `vKvb`vi`i ewk w`q jvf Kx? eis `i`vg Kij hw` cuvP`k UvKv euvPvbv hvq, Zvnj Kb `i`vg Kieb bv? Avmj `i`vg
Ki wKbZ cvivI GKUv AvU Ges `Zvi cwiPq| Avi VKvi ga
Kvbv KwZZ bB|
ck : fvMevw`Zv ayB wK bwZevPK? BwZevPK w`K wK bB? hgb,
wZxq wekhyi mgq aygv gvwKb hyiv Qvov cw_exi cvq cwZwU
`kB wZM nqQ A_bwZK g`vq fyM| hvi GKgv KviY m
mgq AvgwiKvi wekvj fvvevRvi| evsjv`ki wecyj RbMvxI wK
GKBfve fvvevRvi Zwii gvag `kK mg KiZ cvi bv?
Avgvi hyw wK mwVK?
Di : Avcbvi hywZ eo iKgi duvK iqQ| KviY, wZxq wekhy
fviZ ev Gwkqvi `kjvI wK wZM nq wb| Gi KviY Zv`i
ce 2 \ mvdj

261

`ki ZvwaK bq| eis Gi KviY njv G`kjvZ mivmwi hy

nq wb A_vr G `kjv hy wQjv bv| wK h `kjv hy
wQjvhgb, BDivci `kjv gvivZKfve wZM nqQ|
GKBfve AvgwiKvI wZM nq wb, KviY AvgwiKvq hy nq wb|
eis Zv`i `ki mbiv Abvb `k wMq hy KiQ| hLvb
asmhi KviY hyi ci cyiv RvgvwbZ GKwU BUI Av wQjv bv,
dvwi wews Zv `~ii K_vmLvb AvgwiKvi Kvbv wkKviLvbv
asm nq wb| mvwfqZ BDwbqbI Zv-B| KvRB h `kjvZ
A_bxwZB bB, Kvbv wkKviLvbv bB, Drcv`b, evwYRi Kvbv
myhvM bB, mLvb g`v Qvov Avi Kx _vKe? AZGe Avcbvi G
aviYvUv fyj h, fvvevRvi wQjv ej Zviv hy wZM bq|
Avi ZvQvov fvvi Rb cY KZUv KjvYKi Zv-I `LZ ne|
eRvwZK KvvwbjvB GLbKvi wekevwYRK wbqY KiQ| Zv`i
ZrciZvi dj AbK cqvRbxq DcKiY Lye myjf weki cZ
Aj Qwoq coQ, Zgwb G myhvM AbK wZKi cYI XyK
coQ wewfb `wi` `k Ges fvv`iK cjy KiQ|
`wi` fvviv Zv`i mxwgZ qgZv w`qB wKbQ jvfbxq Gme
cY Avi fvMi bkvq g nQ| hgb, wmMviU ev Kvgj cvbxq
AvcvZ ZwKi njI Gjvi iqQ iZi kvixwiK, mvgvwRK I
Avw_K wZ| Avi gybvdvi fvMx`vi nQ GB eRvwZK Kvvwbjv|
wK Avgiv gb KiwQ, wbZbZzb fvMcY `k mqjve ne Avi
GZB eywS mg ne `ki A_bxwZ!
ck : iRx, Avcwb cYi K_v ejjb| Avwg bZzb bZzb Rvgv wKbZ
I ciZ ek fvjevwm| GUv wK Lye evovevwo? gvKU Mj bZzb wKQy
wKbZ BQ Ki| gvKU bv wMq cvwi bv| GgZvevq Avgvi ^vgx
Avgvi Ici Lye wei| Avwg Kx KiZ cvwi? Rvgvi bkv, evMmvji bkv Kg bv, Kx Kiev?
Di : Avcwb gbi evwoZ GKUv kwcs mUvi evwbq wbb| cZKw`b
ILvb wMq AvM RvgvKvco wKb mUv cieb| civi ci mUv Avevi
jvgvq cvwVq `ebAvgvi Zv civ nqQ, Gevi ewZiv GUv eenvi
262

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

KiK| wKQyw`b hLb wbqwgZ RvgvKvco wKb jvgvq cvVvZ _vKeb

`Leb, Kbvi cwZ AvKlYI ZLb Kg GmQ| Gfve cwZw`b cPzi
KbvKvUv Kib| KiZ KiZ `Leb Avcbvi weiw Pj Avme,
KbvKvUvi cwZ AvMn Kg hve|
Avi hKvbv KvR hLb evav `qv nq ZLb DrmvnUv ewk nq|
evav bv w`q Avcbvi ^vgxi ejv DwPZ, KZ Rvgv wKbe Zzwg AvRK!
G gvm Avwg LvIqv-`vIqv Kiev bv, evRvi Kiev bv, AbwKQy wKbev
bv| hv UvKv AvQ Zv w`q ay Zvgvi RvgvKvco wKb `ev|
BQvgZv Kbv| GKUv bv, cuvPUv mU Kbv| GKB mU wewfb iOi
Kbv| gvb, me UvKv w`q mvivgvm ayB xi KbvKvUv| GZ nqZv
KvR nZ cvi|
Avgiv ewj, gwnjv`i 20 mUi ewk RvgvKvco bv _vKv fvjv|
AbK AnZzK cvkvK Rwgq ivLb| Ggb cvkvKI nqZv AvQ hv
wZxqevi KLbv cieb bv, wK AvQ| Gjv weZiY Ki w`b|
`Leb h, Avmw _vKe bv| Avmj Kbvi evcvi mshgx nZ ne|
KvbvwKQy hw` Avcwb AwZwi Kib Zv fvjv bv| KviY, mv
evovevwo cQ` Kib bv, mxgvjNbKvix, AwgZeqxK cQ` Kib bv|
ck : UvKv _vKjB wK LiP Kiv hvq?
Di : UvKv _vKjB LiP Kiv hvq bv| AcPq Kiv hvq, wK LiP Kiv
hvq bv| GKevi GK jvK jUvwiZ GK wgwjqb cvD cqQ| jUvwii
D`vviv LuvR wbq Rvbjv, weRqx GKRb `wi` ew| Zviv gb
Kijv, GiKg GKRb nZ`wi`K hw` nVvr Ki GK wgwjqb cvD
jUvwi RZvi Lei `qv nq, m nvUdj KiZ cvi| KvRB Zviv
`ki GKRb Lye eo mvBKvjwRK wbqvM Kijv, hvi KvR njv
ZvK eywSqmywSq gvbwmKfve cZ Kiv hvZ GK wgwjqb cvD
RZvi Lei b m PgK bv hvq|
mvBKvjwR GKw`b-`yBw`b Zvi mv_ hvMvhvM Kijv| ZvK
evSvZ jvMjv, AvQv, Zzwg hw` GLb 1000 cvD cq hvI Zzwg Kx
Kie? `wi` jvKwU ejjvGB Kie, mB Kie| Gici wRm
Kijv h, GK j cvD ch cj m Kx Kie? GB-GB Kie|
ce 2 \ mvdj

263

Zvici ZZxqw`b ZvK ejv njv, GB jUvwiZ Zv Zzwg Ask

wbqwQj| ai, Zzwg hw` RvKcUUv wRZ hvI A_vr GK wgwjqb cvD
hw` Zzwg cq hvI Zvnj Kx Kie? m ejjv h, GK wgwjqb cvD
hw` cq hvB, Zzwg hnZz AvgvK GB myLeiUv w`j, nvd wgwjqb
ZvgvK w`q `ev| h-B ejjv h, nvd wgwjqb ZvgvK w`q
`ev, b mvBKvjwR wbRB nvUdj Kijv| m wMqwQjv
evSvZ h, GK wgwjqb cvD cq hvZ jvKwUi nvUdj bv Ki|
wK nvd wgwjqb cvD cve b Zvi wbRiB nvUdj Kijv|
UvKv LiP Kivi RbI wK hvMZv I `Zvi cqvRb nq| hw`
`Zv bv _vK, cwiKbv bv _vK, KvR bv _vK Zvnj UvKv LiP Kiv
hvq bv, UvKv AcPq Kiv hvq|
ck : AcPq I Aceqi KviY Kx?
Di : KviY nQ Avgiv mvaviYfve wnme Kwi bv| `yB nQ
mvgvwRK Abyvb| Avgv`i wnme gZzi AvMI bB, ciI bB|
gZzi AvM Zv AvQB, gZzi ciI hvZ AcPq Kiv hvq m eev
Ki hvB| wbR Zv KiZ cvwi bv, cieZx cyiliv m AcPqjv Ki
bvbviKg Abyvbi bvg|
Avmj GB VybKv VvUevU `Lvbvi Rb, dzUvwbi bvg Z_vKw_Z
mvgvwRK mvb ivi Rb h AcPq KiwQ, Zv eySZI cvwi bv|
Avgiv Avgv`i LiPi ZvwjKv `Lj `Lev, 80 fvMB AcPq,
80 fvMB AcqvRbxq KbvKvUv ev eq Ges G AcPqi mv_ Avgiv
Kg-ewk mevB RwoZ| GUv Avgiv Kb KiwQ? AwaKvsk B GB
AcqvRbxq KbvKvUv Avgiv KiwQ wgwWqv viv cfvweZ nq|
Avgv`i GKUv fyj aviYv nQ, abxivB eywS AcPq Ki| Avmj
abxiv `kZ hv Ki Zv njv Zv`i wewbqvMgvQ aivi Uvci gZv|
Avi mvaviY gvbyl hv wewbqvM KiZ cviZv, mUv AcPq Ki dj|
AcPqi AviKUv eo LvZ njv mvgvwRK AvPvi-Abyvbweq,
Rbw`b, weevnevwlKx BZvw`| weq Zv Avevi GKUv Abyvb nq bv|
GKUv weqi Rb mvZ/ AvUUv Abyvb| Gme Abyvb Avevi NiI Kiv
hvq bv| GK weqi mvgvwRK Abyvb KiZ wMq gqci Aev nq
264

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

kvPbxq| gqi gv-evev nIqv gvb hb Avmvgx nIqv| gqci

A_bwZK Aev h Kx kvPbxq nq hvq Zv gqc KLbvB cKvk
KiZ cvi bv| Gici iqQ hZzK| hZzK Ges weqZ dzUvwb
KiZ wMq h nvRvi nvRvi cwievi wech nq, `y`kvq Rwoq co
Zvi D`vniY `qvi cqvRb gb nq bB| Avcbv`i nqZv GiKg
AbK NUbvB Rvbv AvQ|
Gici iqQ mybZ LZbv| LZbv KivZ nj AvZxq I
cwZekxK LvIqvZ ne ej LZbv nq wbGiKg AmsL Qj
iqQ| Qji eqm 20/ 25 eQi nq MQ; `vIqvZ LvIqvbvi UvKv
hvMvo nq wb ej LZbv nq wb| KvqvUvg dvDkb 2012 mvji
RyjvB ch mviv`k 70 nvRviiI ewk LZbvi eev KiQ|
GgbwK 45, 60 ev miva eqmi cyilI GmQb LZbvi Rb|
mvgvwRKZvi eq enb KiZ bv cvivB wQjv LZbv bv nIqvi KviY|
ck : Avcwb ejQb gZzi ciI Avgiv AcPq Kwi| gZzi ciI AcPq
Kxfve nZ cvi?
Di : gZzi ciI Kxfve AcPq nqgvNj`i w`K ZvKvjB Zv
evSv hvq| GK gwnjvi Keii Rb 22,000 kwgK 20 eQi cwikg
KiQ Ges j KvwU UvKv LiP nqQ, hLvb Kvbv RxweZ gvbyl
Kvbvw`b _vK wb| GgbwK mgvUwhwb wbgvY KiQb, wZwbI RxweZ
Aevq ILvb hZ cvib wb| givi ci ZvK ILvb XvKvbv
nqQ| Avi G AcPq, AcwiYvg`wkZvi cwiYwZ njv 200 eQii
Mvjvwg| Avgv`i c~ecyil`i cvci kvw Avgv`iK cZ njv
200 eQi ai Ges GLbv Avgiv mB kvw _K ewiq AvmZ cvwi
wb| GLb Avie`i Kx Aev, mw``i Kx Aev| Zviv h cwigvY
Lvevi AcPq Ki Zv w`q 10 KvwU gvbyl Abvqvm Zv`i cywi
cqvRb c~iY KiZ cviZv|
A_P Avie`i cvki QvU `k Bmivqj, Zv`i wK AcPq bB,
wmgjm bB| h KviY GKwU QvU `k30 j jvK, Zvi cvk
wekvj wekvj `k Ges KvwU KvwU gvbylZv`iK Vvv Ki iLQ
Wvv wcwUq, Kviv K_v ejvi Kvbv kw bB Ges ay Zv-B bq, mviv
ce 2 \ mvdj

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cw_exevcx Bw``i msLv nQ `o KvwU| GB `o KvwU gvbyl

cw_exi Zver evswKs, Bbmyi, nwf Bvw, wgwWqv, BUvibU,
Iqe _K i Ki wdj BvwmewKQy Zviv PvjvQ mycwiKwZ
wewbqvMi gvag Ges ZvivB wbqY KiQ|
Avmj GB AcPq, Aceq, wmgjm Ki KD Kvbv kw
wnme `uvovZ cvi bv| Kvbvw`b cvi wb, Kvbvw`b cvieI bv|
ck : eqi evcvi Avgv`i `wfw Kx nIqv DwPZ?
Di : AvcbvK wnmwe nZ ne| eq Kiebeq Kiv KZe Ges
cqvRb, wK AcPq Kieb bv| Avq Kieb, eq Kieb, mq
Kieb Ges mqUvK wewbqvM Kieb| KviY wewbqvM ZLbB KiZ
cvieb, hLb Avcwb mq Kieb| wewbqvM `yUv w`K nZ cvi
`ywbqvi KjvY PvBj `ywbqvi Rb eq Kieb Ges AvLivZi KjvY
PvBj AvLivZi Rb eq Kieb| Avevi Ggbfve eq KiZ
cvib, hUv Avcbvi Rb `ywbqv Ges AvLivZ`yB RvqMvi KjvYB
wbq Avme| Avi Avgv`i Lv`vfvm e`jvZ ne| mvq cvKwZK I
cywKi Lvevi wKbZ ne| wevcb cjy nq ev Lvevi wKbeb bv|
ck : cvkvKi evcvi `wfw Kx nIqv DwPZ?
Di : cqvRbxq UKmB cvkvK wKbyb| KZUv cvkvK Avcwb eenvi
KiQb, m evcvi Lqvj ivLyb| nqZv Avcbvi KbvKvUvi Lye kL|
cvqB Kbb| wK Kbvi ci Lqvj Kiebh kvwojv nqZv Avi
KLbvB cieb bv, mjv Kvbv Mwie AvZxqKhvi fvjv kvwo
bB, wKsev Kvbv mnKgx ev Aaxb h kvwo wKbZ cviQ bvZvK
w`q w`b| A_vr GjvK Rwgq ivLeb bv|
Aek weqi kvwoi mv_ hnZz mwUgU RwoZ ZvB G evcvi
wKQy ejwQ bv, GUv iL w`b| AbK Avevi Qji eqi Rb iL
`b| Aek nvj dvkb Af Avcbvi ney cyea~ Zvi kvwoi cyibv
Avgji kvwo ci weqi mvR mvRZ PvBe wK bv mUv wfb welq|
wK Ab kvwojv Rwgq ivLeb bv|
266

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Avi cyyil`i gaI hv`i Kbvi Afvm AvQ Zviv `qv i

Kieb| hUv cieb bv, mUv w`q `eb| Avi `qvi RvqMv bv cj
dvDkb w`q hveb| mjvK hvZ h_vh_ RvqMvq `qv hvq
Avgiv mfve eev Kiev| A_vr vBj ev dzUvwb bq, cvkvK
wKbeb DchvwMZv weePbv Ki|
ck : h Mwie abx nZ Pvq, m-B UvKv nj AcPq Ki Kb?
Di : PvIqvUv `yaibi| GKUv nQ mPZb PvIqv, AviKUv AePZb
PvIqv| AePZb gb Avgiv hv PvB GUv wK mPZb gb mg_b Ki
bv| mPZb gb gb Ki, GB PvIqvUv wVK| wK AePZb gb H
PvIqvUvi evcvi fZi GKUv hYv, Z mw Ki hv AvkvK
nZvkvi w`K wbq hvq| GUv Mj GKUv w`K|
Avevi Avgiv UvKv PvB, A_ PvB, m` PvB| wK cvIqvi ci
AwaKvskB Avgiv mUvK msnZ KiZ cvwi bv| hgb, AbK KUvi
hviv Kvbv bv Kvbvfve nVvr Ki AbK UvKvcqmvi gvwjK nq
hvb, Zv`i kl Rxeb AZ `ytL KvU|
GiKg GKRbi mv_ cvwievwiKfve Avgvi cwiPq wQjv| Zvi
Avw_K Aev Lye Lvivc wQjv| GKeviB Kc`Kk~b Aev| ZvK
wKQy civgk w`jvg| m weRbm i Kijv| wKQyw`bi gaB ek
fvjv KiZ jvMjv| cPzi UvKv DcvRb KiwQjv| wK Zvi mv_ cvj-v
w`q i Kijv AcPq| BQgZv `ynvZ LiP KiZ jvMjv|
cwievii KD KD mveavb KiZ PvBjb| wK Kviv Kvbv K_vB
m bjv bv| AvwgI evSvbvi Pv Kijvg| ejjvg, AcPq Ggb GK
wRwbm, KD hLb GUv KiZ _vK ZLb Zvi Avq-ivRMvi hZB evoK
ZvZ Kvbv jvf nq bv|
wK m ejjv, Avwg Zv LiP KgvZ cviev bv| GfveB LiP
KiZ ne| Avcwb eis `yPviUv cv_ii K_v ej w`b hv cij Avgvi
Avq-ivRMvi Aviv eo hve| AcPq KiZ KiZ GKmgq Ggb
njv h, eemv Zv MjB, `k Pjvi gZv AevI Zvi Avi _vKjv
bv| GLb we`k wMq WvBwfs KiQ| AbK eQi nq Mj| wMbKvW
bB ej `kI AvmZ cvi bv|
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weqZ AcPq
ck : Avgv`i `k weq Dcj h GKvwaK Abyvb nq mUv wK
AcPq bq?
Di : AekB AcPq Ges Gi cwiYwZI Lye KiY| GKwU
NUbvevbi weqi mgq fvB`i ga GKRbK `vwqZ `qv njv,
evbi Mvq njy`i AbyvbwUi A_ m hvMve| c_g evRU aiv njv
15 nvRvi UvKv| AvqvRb KiZ wMq `Lv Mj, KwgDwbwU mUvii
fvov, Abyvbi R, AvbylwK wRwbmcme wgwjq LiP 35 nvRvi
Qvwoq MQ| GgbwK Qji Mvq njy`i Rb Kb cK h LiP
w`Z ejv nqwQjv, mUvi fviI Zvi Ici eZvjv|
LiP evoZ evoZ `uvovjv 84 nvRvi UvKv Ges G LiP hvMvbvi
Rb ^ Avqi H fvBwUK KqK RvqMv _K FY KiZ njv hvi
evSv GLbv m eq eovQ| Aviv cwinvmi evcvi njv, GZwKQy
KiI m Zvi evbK ev cwieviK m KiZ cvi wb| Zv`i KvQ
gb nqQ, AvqvRb KQZv Kiv nqQ| Avi mePq KiY evcvi
njv, G NUbvi ci Zvi fvB-evbi aviYv nqQ h, Zvi cPzi A_
AvQ| wK m LiP Ki bv, m KcY|
Avgv`i `k weqi mvgvwRKZv GLb GZ Abyvbme^ nq MQ
h, aygv GKwU weqK K` Ki cvb-wPwb, AvK&`, `yUv Mvq njy`,
weq, e-fvZ, weqvB-fvZ, KzUz^-fvZ BZvw` wkivbvgi Kgc
AvUwU Abyvbi AvqvRb hb evaZvg~jK nq MQ| GgbwK hvi
mvg_ bB ZvKI avi-KR Ki njI hvMvZ nq Gme Abyvbi
A_| Avi Zvici AvqvRbi wU-wePzwZ wbq `vlvivc Avi
mgvjvPbv Zv AvQB| ay weq bqRbw`b, AvwKKv, mybZ LZbv
BZvw` mvgvwRK AbyvbjvZ h AwZwi AvqvRbi NbNUv nq, Zv
md AcPq Qvov Avi wKQy bq Ges Gme wbtm`n eRbxq|
ck : weqi Abyvbi evcvi `wfw Kx nIqv DwPZ?
Di : weq, e-fvZ, weevnevwlKxweq msv Abyvb mxwgZ Kib|
Gi ga AvgvK GKRb GKwU weqi KvW w`jvMvq njy`i Avevi
268

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Avjv`v KvW| mLvb jLv cyiliv njy` cvvwe cwiqv Avwmeb,

gwnjviv Kgjv iOi kvwo| A_vr cvMvg hZ ne, mUvi Rb kvwo
wKbZ neG Zv md AcPq| GjvK eRb Kib|
ejeb h, Zvnj wK Mvq njy` ne bv? ne| njy`i Abyvb ne
Nivqvfve| KwgDwbwU nj bq| A_vr LiPjvK hvZ Avcwb Kwgq
AvbZ cvib m Pv Kieb Ges weqi cvMvg GKUvB nIqv DwPZ|
GKUv wiwmckb| Avcwb `LybBDivwcqvb`i wK UvKv Kg AvQ?
wK Zviv weqZ Kx Ki? GKUv Abyvb Ki, hvZ `yB ci
AvZxq^Rb Avm, `Lvmvvr nq, cwiPq nq|
Avi weqi GKwU eo AcPq nq Lvevi| AvRKvj weqi gbyZ
Kveve wewiqvwb iv iRvjv wPswo mvjv` evinvwb I mdU wWsKm
GKmv_ G mejvB Kiv nq| hvi 50 kZvskB Avmj c-U wbq
dj `qv nq| A_P wewiqvwb Kij Gi mv_ iv, iRvjv GKevi
AcqvRbxq| Avi evinvwb Kij mvjv` ev Ab cvbxq AcqvRbxq|
AcPq _K Avgv`i euvPZ ne| Avmj KbRygvwiRg mewKQyK
cY cwiYZ KiQ, mewKQyB GLb cY| Avgv`i GKUvB cwiPq Zviv
ivLZ Pvq mUv nQAvgiv Zv, Zviv weZv| wK Avgiv Lye
Ki ejwQ h, AcPqKvix-AceqKvix nQ kqZvbi fvB, Avi
kqZvb Awfk| me aibi LiPK hvZ Avcwb Kwgq AvbZ cvib
mB Pv Kieb| weqZ LiPi evcvi ZvB `wfw njv
wbgYKvix nj Avcwb Pv Kieb `yc wgj GKUv weqi Abyvb
KiZ Avi wbgwZ nj Kvbv wMdU bv wbq wbtmsKvP hveb, Zw
mnKvi Lveb, cvYfi `vqv Kieb, nvmZ nvmZ wdi Avmeb|
ck : Avgvi AvZxq cwigj mcwZ h weqjv nqQ Zv Lye
aygavg, nBPB-Gi ga w`q nqQ| welqwU Ggb h, GKwU weqi
Rb GKvwaK eqej Abyvb Ges LiPi cwZhvwMZv KivUv hb
evaZvg~jK| wK Avgv`i GZ Avw_K mvg_ bB| Avgv`i `wfw
Kx nIqv DwPZ?
Di : Avcbv`i nxbbZvq fvMvi wKQy bB, eis nxbbZvq fyMe
ZvivB hviv G aibi AcPq wj| KviY weq Rxebi GKwU mnR,
ce 2 \ mvdj

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^vfvweK NUbv| weqi Rb AcPq g nIqv Awe`v Qvov Avi wKQyy

bq| eis GB LiP, aygavovv, AcPq ay AKjvYB eq Avb| h
weqZ aygavovv-AcPq hZ ewk, m weqZ myLi cwigvY ZZ Kg|
Avmj wek cyuwRev`x P wbR`i eemvwqK ^v_B fvRb,
webv`b Ges RweK Pvwn`v c~iYK Rxebi mePq iZc~Y welq
wnme cPvi KiZ wgwWqvK eenvi KiQ| GRbB wgwWqvZ
weqK KvwbK GK wekvj evcvi wnme wPwZ Kiv nq|
hgb, ivRv evbK Avbv i, gyS jK hvbv i, Qg QgvQg Qg
weqi cm wnw` wmbgvi G MvbwUZ h DQvm I gvngq Kbv dzU
DVQ, eve RxebI Zv-B neGgb AjxK Kbv KiZ wMqB weq
msv Awe`v ev v aviYvq Avv nB Avgiv| weqi Rb LiPi
cwZhvwMZvq gZ IVv Zvi ga c_g| GKwU gv weqi Rb cPyi
A_ eq GKvwaK Abyvb AvqvRbi cvkvcvwk cvkvK I AjsKvi
KbvKvUv KiZ wMq nq UvKvi kv| FY Ki njI weqi GB dzUvwb
KiZ wMq AbK cwievi `y`kvq wbcwZZ nq|
B`vbxs weqi LiP bZzb mshvRb njv nxiv| nxiv wPiKvji
nxiv gbi `iRv LvjG RvZxq wevcb w`q eRvwZK eemv
cwZvb nqZv GUv evSvZ Pvq h, nxiv Qvov weq cwic~Y nq bv Ges
nxiv weqi ebK wPivqx Ki| A_P eveZv nQ, mg cvvZ
mgvR 50-Gi `kK _K weqZ Acwinvh Abyl njv nxiv, mLvb
Ab hKvbv mgqi Zzjbvq weq weQ`i nvi Gmgq mePq ewk|
GjwR MelYvi GKwU djvdj nQ, kZKiv 95 fvM
weqZ nxiKi cfve Af| Avi Gi evLv njv, cwZwU cv_ii
GKwU `eY AvQ hv GKRb gvbyli gvbwmKZvi Ici cfve wevi
Ki| Zgwb nxiKi gbv`wnK cfve njv Zv AngK ew Ki| hv
cviwiK mnhvwMZv, mngwgZv I mgSvZvi gbvfve, hv GKwU myLx
weqi Rb AcwinvhZvi Ici weic cfve dj| weqZ nxiv `qv
Avi Lvj KU Kzwgi Avbv GKB K_v|
Avmj weq GKwU mvaviY I ^vfvweK NUbv hvi gvag `yRb
bi-bvixi RweK Pvwn`v c~iYi evcviwUB meRb MnYhvMZv cvq|
GK gwngvw^Z KiZ wMq LiPi cwZhvwMZvq g nIqv
AvnvwKiB jY|
270

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

ck : Avgvi weq Dcj AbK LiP nQ| Gi KvbvUvB Avgvi

cQ` nQ bv| hZB ewj Gi cqvRb bB, Avgvi K_v KD kvb bv|
ej, Avwg hb GUv fyj hvB| wK cwievii Ici AwZwi GKwU
Avw_K Pvc AvgvK gbtK w`Q| Avwg G Kx KiZ cvwi?
Di : ckKZv GKRb cyil nq _vKj GK_vUv GKeviB AmgxPxb
h, Avgvi K_v KD kvb bv| Avcwb GKRb cyil Ges weq KiQb
Avcwb| Avcbvi weqZ KZ LiP ne mUv hw` Avcwb wbqY KiZ
bv cvib Zvnj Zv ne bv|
Ze gq nj nqZv AbK mgq wKQy Kivi bv-I _vKZ cvi|
KviY cwievii cavb ev AwffveKiv hw` Awe`v _K gy bv nb,
GKv gqwUi c Zv`i wei hvIqvUv KwVb| AwaKvsk B
Avgv`i mgvR weqZ gq`i f~wgKvUv GKUv cyZzj e Avi wKQy
bqZvK Zv-B KiZ ne hv AwffveKiv eje| Ze eveZv nQ,
h weq AcPqi ga w`q MQ m weq KLbvB `vZ kvw Avb
bv| AwiZv, Akvw Avi `vZ KjnB nq mLvb wbZmw|
ck : wbR LiP weq Kiv wK AvekK? weqZ AhwK LiP Kiv
Awe`v| Bmjvgi `wZ weq Kxfve mb Kiv DwPZ? KZUzKz ev Kx
cwigvY LiP Kiv hZ cvi? Kvg `bgvni KZUzKz nIqv evbxq
Ges hwKZv KZUzKz?
Di : Abi LiP Avcwb Kxfve weq Kieb? weq Zv wbR LiPB
KiZ ne| ZvB DcvRb bv _vKj GKRb cyilK weqi Rb ah
aiZ ne| A_vr weq Kivi mwZ ARb KivUv iZc~Y|
Avgiv nhiZ Avjx (iv)-Gi mv_ gv dvwZgvi weqi K_v gb
KiZ cvwi| dvwZgvi mv_ nhiZ Avjx (iv)-Gi weq hLb wVK njv
ZLb wZwb LyeB `wi` wQjb| AMZv weqi LiP hvMvbvi Rb wZwb
Zvi eghwU wZwb hy eenvi KiZbwew Ki `b Imgvb Beb
Avddvb Gi KvQ|
ci Aek Imgvb (iv) Dcnvi wnme GwU Avevi wdwiq `b|
Avjx c_g wbZ bv PvBjI Imgvbi Abyiva Ges Avj-vni Iqv G
ce 2 \ mvdj

271

eg eenvii wbqZ Zv bb| Zv`i weqi gvnivbv wQjv 400 ic

gy`vAvjx (iv) Zv Av`vq Kib| weq nq hvq nhiZ dvwZgvi mv_|
Avmj weqZ LiPi evj hZ eRb Kiv hvq ZZ fvjvZv Avw_K
cvwievwiK mvgvwRK me w`K _KB| Avi `bgvni nIqv DwPZ
hywmZ Avw_K I mvgvwRK Aevb Abymvi|
weqi AvbyvwbKZvq LiPi GK RNb cwZhvwMZv Pj|
mcwZ bjvg fviZ hLvb 30 KvwU gvbylB `wi`, mLvb bvwK GK
weqZ 500 KvwU icx LiP nqQ!
AbK eQi AvMi K_v| GK eemvqx Zvi gqK weq `eb|
hvK cvQb ZvKB `vIqvZ w`Qb| Avevnbx gvV Ryo cvj Kiv
njv| nvRvi nvRvi gvbyli Rb evP evP Lvevii eev| cyiv
gvV Ryo weQvbv Uwejjvi cZKwUZ AwKW wQjv| m mgq
Avgv`i `k AwKW Lye Kg cvIqv hZ| _vBjv _K AwKW Avbv
nqwQjv Uwej mvRvbvi Rb! Kx cwigvY AcPq eySZB cvib!
weqi G LiP KivK Avgiv mvgvwRK ghv`v (!) gb Kwi|
mvg_ bv _vKj FY Ki njI LiP Kwi! e cwievi `Dwjqv nq
MQ aygv weqi dzUvwb KiZ wMq|

cm mvgvwRK Dcnvi
ck : Rbw`b, weevnevwlKx ev dv`vim W, gv`vim W-Z wcqRb ev
gv-evevK wK Dcnvi `qv hve? GZ wK Kvbv wbla AvQ?
Di : c_gZ, wcqRbK Dcnvi `qvi Rb Kvbv w`em Kb jvMe?
wcqRbK Zv hKvbv mgqB Dcnvi `qv hvq| evev wK ay dv`vim
W-i Rb ev gv wK ay gv`vim W-i Rb? wbqB bq| AZGe
wcqRbK ev gv-evevK hKvbv mgqB wMdU w`Z cvib| weklZ
Ggb wKQy hv Lye eqej bq, wK cqvRbxq| KviY Dcnvii
GwUI GKwU Awe`v h, GKMv`v A_ LiP Ki Z_vKw_Z w`emi
iY eRvwZK Kvvwbi AwfRvZ wMdU kc _K KvW ev Ggb
wMdU Kbv hvi Kvbv eenvwiK g~jB bB|
272

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

hgb, Avcwb Rvbb Avcbvi wcqRb ev cwiwPZRbi ga Kviv

Kvbv wekl GKwU wRwbm cqvRb| wK m mUv wKbZ cviQ bv
myhvM ev mvg_i Afve| G ZvK m wRwbmwU hw` wMdU Kib
Zvnj GwU ne Dcnvi c`vbi PgrKvi GKwU D`vniY|
wZxqZ, mvgvwRK Dcnvi A_vr weq, Rbw`b, weevnevwlKx,
AvwKKv, mybZ LZbv BZvw` Abyvb AvgwZ nj Dcnvi wbq
hvIqvi h c_v Avgv`i mgvR cPwjZ, Avgiv gb Kwi GUv GKcKvi
mvgvwRK evwa| Dchy wMdU ev Dcnvi msMni weo^bv I K AbK
mgq GZUvB h, Abyvb AskMnYi Avb`I ZvZ AbKUv gvwU nq
hvq| KviY AwaKvsk B G Dcnvijv `qv nq Aevi Pvc eva
nq ev bv w`j Kx fveeG jvq| GgbwK avi Ki njI Dcnvi
Kbvi A_ hvMvo KiZ eva nZ nq AbKK| KviY, Dcnvi w`Z
bv cvij gyL _vKe bv| ZvB wb I ga Avqi gvbyli KvQ GLb
wbgY gvb GK g~wZgvb AvZ| G wbq Avgv`i MvRyqU`i wKQy
eve NUbv Zzj aiv njv
NUbv-1 (nvqi vUvm!)
kvwjKvi weqZ Dcnvi eve` Avgvi fvM cojv WvBwbs Uwej|
wKbZ ne ev Kvvwb _K Ges `vg gv(!) 17 nvRvi UvKv|
GQvov Ab wKQy w`j bvwK kvwjKvi KvwUcwZ eii vUvm _vKe
bv| Zvi eii gvwmK eZb jvwaK UvKv Avi Avgvi eZb Qq nvRvi
UvKv! eeavbUv hb AvKvk Avi cvZvji PqI ewk| wK vUvmUv
ZLb GZB iZc~Y h, Gme wbq fvevi Kvbv cqvRb gb Kijv
bv KD| AMZv aviKR Ki hvMvo Kijvg UvKv, wKb Avbjvg
vUvm(?) ivKvix ej AvjvwPZ mB WvBwbs Uwej| UwejUvi
w`K ZvwKq ZvwKq fvewQjvgnvqi vUvm! Gi Rb AvMvgx GK
eQi cvB cvB Ki cqmv euvwPq AvgvK kva KiZ ne `bvi `vq|
NUbv-2 (Dcnvi bv AZvPvi!)
AvZxq^Rbi weqi wbgY cvIqv gvbB Avgv`i KvQ GKUv AvZ|
KviY Avgvi gvqi GKUv aviYv njv, wZwb hnZz eski ga mevi
eo, ZvB AvZxq^Rbi weqZ memgq ^Y Dcnvi w`Z ne| gvqi
ce 2 \ mvdj

273

GB msvii g~j w`Z wMq MZ Qq eQi Avgv`i `bvi cwigvY

nqQ 50 nvRvi UvKviI ewk| KviY Avgv`i gvwmK Avq 20 nvRvi
UvKv| Avi MZ KqK eQi mvbvi `vg hfve eoQ ZvZ GKKUv
weq Dcj Pvi/ cuvP nvRvi UvKvi Kg wMdU `qv cvq Ame
evcvi| dj GKgv Dcvqavi Kiv| Avi Zv KiZ wMqB Avgv`i
G Aev| mvgvwRKZv ivi LvwZi Dcnvii bvg mxwgZ Avqi
gvbyl`i h AZvPvii wkKvi nZ nq Zv fyfvMx Qvov Ab`i
evSv me bq|
NUbv-3 (fvBqv Zv wKQy bv w`qB Lq MQ)
ZLb Avgvi bZzb weq nqQ| ^vgxi mv_ GKw`b Mjvg Zvi PvPvi
evmvq| wMq bjvg, wKQyw`b ciB bvwK H PvPvi `yB Qj-gqi
Rbw`bi Abyvb ne| Avgvi ^vgx hb AbKUv Rvi KiB `vIqvZ
wbjb| KviY Zv`i nvefve Avgvi gb nqQ, Zviv evanq Avgv`i
`vIqvZ KiZ PvwQjb bv| hv-B nvK, Abyvb Mjvg Kvbv Dcnvi
bv wbqB| KviY ZLb Avgvi ^vgxi Zgb Kvbv DcvRb wQjv bv|
Avi ZvQvov wZwb feQb, hnZz AvcbRb ZvB Dcnvi bv w`jI
Pje| wK ci GKw`b Zv`i evmvq wMq `wL PvPxi gyL fvi| Ibvi
Pvi eQi eqmx QjwU ejB djjv, fvBqv Zv Avgvi Rbw`b wKQy
bv w`qB Lq MQ| fxlY gb Lvivc nq Mj|
mB gvbwmK cxob eq ewoqwQ AbKw`b| wK wKQyw`b AvM
Avgv`i weevnevwlKxZ Zv`i `vIqvZ Kijvg| Kvbv Dcji K_v
ejjvg bv, hvZ Zviv Kvbv Dcnvi bv Avbb| `yUv KviY GUv
AvgvK fxlY Zw w`qQ| c_gZ, Avgvi `xNw`bi gvbwmK A^w
_K gyw cqwQ| wZxqZ, Dcnvii Avkv bv Ki AwZw_K Avcvqb
Kivi ga h wbLv` Avb` AvQ mUvK Abyfe KiwQ|
NUbv-4 (Dcnvi Ges weaevi K)
Avgvi ^vgx wQjb evsjv`k evsKi WcywU wWii| wZwb euP
_vKZ GKiKg wQjv| wK wZwb gviv hvIqvi ci Avw_K Aev
^vfvweKfveB Avi AvMi gZv iBjv bv| Qj-gq`i wbq
Km PjwQjv msmvi| wK jvKRb fveZv, Avgv`i evanq
274

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

AbK UvKvcqmv| G mgqjvZ Kvbv wbgY cvIqvUv wQjv eo

weo^bvi evcvi| KviY mevB KZ `vwg `vwg Dcnvi `e! wK Avgvi
Zv m mvg_ bB| Ggb mgq GK weqZ `vIqvZ cjvg| mvZ-cuvP
fe wbq Mjvg GKLvbv agxq M| fvejvg, G _K Zvi `ywbqv I
AvLivZi KjvY nehw`I gbUv Lye QvU nq wQjv| ci bwQ, G
Dcnvi bvwK Zv`i cQ` nq wb| G wbq AbK mgvjvPbv KiQ
Zviv| GKRb weaevi Amnvq AevKI Qvo `q bvGgwb wbzi G
mvgvwRK Dcnvi c_v|
NUbv-5 (Dcnvii bvg Puv`v)
Avwg gvwRU wnme GKwU Rjvq KgiZ AvwQ| Avgv`i wmwbqi
GK Awdmvi weq Kijb| weqi ci beea~K wbq Kgj wdi GK
bkfvRi AvqvRb Kijb mvwKU nvDR| KvjiUi mg
KgKZv-KgPvix ZvZ AvgwZ njb| Avgiv h_vmgq wMq LvIqv`vIqv, MRe Ki wdi Gjvg|
KqKw`b ci AviK wmwbqi Awdmvi AvgvK WK cvVvjb|
ejjb, H Abyvb hviv wMqwQjv Zv`i KvQ _K Puv`v bqv nQ|
meKwb evPi Awdmvi wnme Avgvi Rb wbavwiZ Puv`vi cwigvY
500 UvKv| webv evKeq UvKv ei Ki w`jvg| ZLb gb cojv,
mw`b ivZ beea~i Mjvq wWwm mvii x GKwU mvbvi nvi cwiq
w`qwQjb| IUvi `vg bvwK 18 nvRvi UvKv| Awdmvi`i KvQ _K
Puv`v Zzj m LiPi wKQyUv Zvjv nQ| evwKUv Avme wWwm Awdmi
GjAvi dv _K|
ZLb Avgvi eZb-j wQjv 6,800 UvKv| Avgvi gZv eZbjfy Awdmvi`iKI wmwbqi Awdmviiv eva Kib wMdUi
ARynvZ wbqwgZfve Puv`v w`Z| KqKw`b AvMI wWwm mvii
bvwZK Dcnvi wKb `qvi Rb AvgvK 250 UvKv Puv`v w`Z nqQ|
Avgv`i mvwfmi GUv GKUv UvwWkb nq MQ| AgyK Awdmvii
cgvkb, ZgyK Awdmvii UvdviAZGe wMdU wKbZ ne, mseabv
w`Z ne BZvw` ARynvZ UvKv w`Z nq|
A_vr Dcnvihv nIqv DwPZ AvwiK, ^QvcYvw`Z I wbt^v_
Zv GLb `qv nq eva nq, jvKjvi fq Ges AbK B
ce 2 \ mvdj

275

`bv-cvIbvi kZ| Dcnvi w`Z wMq AePZbfveB Avgiv fveZ

_vwK, Gi AvM Zvi KvQ _K Kx Dcnvi cqwQjvg A_ev cZvkv
KwiAvgvi Abyvb wbgwZ nj m-I hvZ mggvbi DcnviB `q|
Avi wMdU hw` m cZvkv c~iY bv Ki Zvnj gb KlvKwl, mgvjvPbv
GgbwK cKvk weev`-wemsev`I NU _vK| A_vr cyiv evcviwUB
GKwU jvK `Lvbv Amy cwZhvwMZv Qvov Avi wKQy bq Ges Zv `vZvMnxZv`yci RbB GK `viY gvbwmK Pvc, fvMvw Avi Akvwi
Drmhv GB D`vniYjvZ DV GmQ|
A_P KviAvbi m~iv evKvivi 261 _K 264 Ges m~iv Av`-`vniGi mvZ _K bq AvqvZi ggv_ _K `Lv hvq, cwZ`vbi Avkvq
`vb ev Dcnvi A_ev h `vb ev Dcnvi cwiYvg Ki KviY nq Zv
mvi KvQ AZ AcQ`bxq Ges Zv cwiYvg GKRb gvbyli mKj
mrKgK b Ki `q| Gi Pq wgw K_v, fKvgbv ev `vqv Dg|
GZ mv m nb| A_vr Avgv`i kvkZ agxq wkvI eZgvb mgvRi
Dcnvi c_vi weiB K_v ej| Avmj hLb KD eva nq ev aviKR
Ki weiw ev Akvi mv_ wMdU wKbQ I w`Q ZvZ wK MnxZvi
Kvbv KjvY _vKZ cvi? wbqB bv|
GB mvgvwRK AbvPvi `~i KiZ KvqvUvg Avgiv hv Kwi Zv
njvmvgvwRK Abyvb Kvbv Dcnvi `B bv, bBI bv| wbgY Kivi
mgq AwZw_`i AvM _KB Dcnvi AvbZ wbla Ki w`B| Avi
Avgiv wbgwZ nj Dcnvi QvovB wbtmsKvP Abyvb Ask bB Ges
wbgYKvixi Rb mwwjZ cv_bvq Zvi my, mdj I ckv Rxeb
Kvgbv Kwi| GZ Abyvb AskMnY GLb nq DVQ Abvwej Avb`i|
wbgYKvixi mv_ AvwiKZvI evoQ AvMi Pq AbK ewk|
`L AbK mgq Abvb AwZw_ivI KZ~njx nq welqwU RvbZ
Pvb| Avgiv ewjAvgiv KvqvUvg cwievii| mvgvwRK Dcnvi `qv I
bqv eRb KiwQ| Avgiv gb Kwi, G Dcnvi AwZw_i Ici GKUv Pvc
mw Ki hv Abyvbi Avb`K zY Ki| Zviv ZLb mg_b Ki ejb,
GZ my`i D`vM! AvgivI KvqvUvg cwievii m`m nZ PvB!
ck : AbK mgq mK Dbqbi Rb wMdU w`Z nq| G Kx
KiYxq? eemvwqK cqvRb wK Dcnvi `qv hve?
276

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Di : mK Dbqbi Rb hw` wMdU w`Z nq, Zvnj eySZ nem

mK Kvbvw`bB DbZ ne bv| KviY mK nQ GKwU AvwZK
evcvi, gvbwmKfve cviwiK evSvcovi evcvi| ei Av`vb-c`vb
mUvK evovZ cvi bv| hgb, mK Dbqb ne gb Ki Avcwb
GKRbK `vwg GKUv wMdU w`jb| wK mUv cq m nqZv fveZ
i Kijv, GZ `vwg GKUv wMdU AvgvK Kb w`jv! wbqB Kvbv
e` gZje AvQ| Gici _K m nqZv Avcbvi evcvi m`nceY
nq hvMvhvM Aviv Kwgq w`Z cvi| A_vr mK Dbqbi e`j
mKi Aviv AebwZ NUZ cvi| KvRB wMdU KLbv mK mw ev
ewi Dcvq bq| Avi eemvwqK mK Dbqbi Rb hv `qv nq mUv
wMdU bq| mUv GK aibi Nyl ev wewbqvM|
ck : Avgvi GK Zvi gqi weq| hvi KvQ cwZgvm wew Ki
Avwg ek jvf Kwi| m AekB Avkv Ki h, Avwg weqZ hvev Ges
fvjv wKQy `ev| Kx KiYxq?
Di : Avmj GUv Zv Dcnvi bq, GUv wewbqvM hv Avcwb `LQb
eemvwqK weePbvq| Ze G wewbqvMwU Avcwb Ab mgq Kib, weqi
Abyvb Ask wbb Dcnvi QvovB| LvIqv-`vIqv mi, Abyvbj
DcwZ mevBK wbq ei-Kbi myLx `vZ Rxeb Kvgbv Ki cv_bv
Kib| Avcbvi cwZ mevi kvc~Y `w AvK ne| Avcbvi
AvwiKZvi cKvk Kbi gv-evev Ges AvZxq^Rb wbtm`n gy
neb, m neb|
ck : Kg Avgv`i GKwU weo^bv njvcvqB GUv IUv Dcj
Ki Awdmi mevBK Dcnvi `qv ev LvIqvbvi ixwZ| Gme
BQ bv _vKjI eva nq Pzjvi LvwZi wKQy ejv hvq bv| AbK
mgq eZbi AaKUvB Pj hvq G LiPi cQb| GUvK Kxfve
Govbv me?
Di : Avmj GB h Avcwb LvIqvZ PvQb bv, wK Pzjvi
LvwZi eva nq ivwR nQbG jv-msKvP-RoZvi e fO
ce 2 \ mvdj

277

djZ ne| KviY Avcbvi mvg_ bB, BQvI bB| wK K Kx

fveeG fq hw` Avcwb LiP Kib, Zvnj Zv Zv Dcnvii wbtkZ
Ges AvwiK nIqvi kvkZ agxq weavbiB cwicx| G Dcnvi Kvbv
KjvY bB| eis G hw` wewiqvwb bv LvBq Avb`wP ay GKUz
dj LvIqvb hv Avcbvi mvai gaZvnj mUvB kq| Avmj
Rxeb KLbv KLbv ewj nZ nq, weklZ mme hjv
Avcbvi K Ges gbtcxovi KviY|
ck : Avgiv wK KvqvUvgi eB KwYKv viK wmwW wWwfwW BZvw`
Dcnvi wnme w`Z cvwi?
Di : AekB cvwi| KviY Avgiv gb Kwi, GZ Zvi Rxeb AvjvwKZ
ne| Avmj Avgiv Dcnvii wei bB, Avgiv mvgvwRK wMdU bvgK
evwai wei| KviY, GUv gvbylK `y`kvi e ew` Ki dj|
ck : wKQyw`b AvM Avgv`i gqi Rbw`bi Abyvb wQjv| GZ
mevi KvQ _K Rbw`bi wMdU cve GwUB wQjv Zvi cZvkv| wK
hLb Rvbjv, dvDkbi AbKi gZv G Abyvb AvgwZ`i KvQ
_K Avgiv Kvbv wMdU bev bv, ZLbB m iM Mj| Avgv`iK
KvqvUvg Qo w`Z ejjv| ejjv, wMdUI bev, KKI KvUev|
Ze wMdUjv ci Mwie`i w`q `ev| G Kx KiYxq?
Di : Avmj evPv h QvU Zv evSvB hvQ| ZvK evSvj m
evS, Zv-I evSv hvQ| Avgv`i cvwicvwkKZv Ggb h, ivZvivwZ
cvvZ cvieb bv| Gi Rb mgq jvMe, Dy KiZ ne| Avcbvi
gqK evSvb h, Zvi Rbw`b wMdU AvbZ bv ejj mevB
Avbw`ZwP Zvi Rbw`b Avme Ges Zvi Rb `vqv Kie| ZvK
ejyb, gv-evev wnme AvcbvivB ZvK wMdU `eb| Ab`i KvQ
_K wMdU cZvkv KivUv wbPz gvbwmKZviB cwiPq|
ck : wMdUi weo^bvq Avgv`i cvqkB coZ nq| hLvb wMdU MnY
Kivi Rb LvZvKjg wbq emvi Uwej _vK mLvb webv wMdU hvIqv
ek jvi evcvi bq wK?
278

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Di : ckUv GKRb cyili| ckKZvi m Zv ckUvK gjvZ

cviwQ bv| KviY, ejv nq jv bvixi f~lY| jv cyili f~lY GUv
Zv Avwg Kv_vI `wL wb| bvwK GLb GUv D hvQ? m hv-B nvK,
me weqi AbyvbB wMdU MnY Kivi Rb LvZvKjg wbq emvi jvK
_vK| GZ hw` gb Kib h, webv wMdU hvIqv ek jvi evcvi
Zvnj Avcwb KLbvB mvgvwRK GB AbvPvi _K eivZ cvieb bv|
Avmj weq, Rbw`b ev Abvb mvgvwRK Abyvb Dcnvi `qvi GB
ixwZwU GLb Avi fQv vcbi Kvbv ^QvcYvw`Z cwZ bq, eis
cwiYZ nqQ K KvK KZ `vwg Dcnvi w`Z cvi Ges Zvi wfwZ
g~jvqbi GK Amy cwZhvwMZvq|
GgbI nqQmvg_ bB, ZvB avi Ki `vwg Dcnvi w`Z eva
nZ nqQ ay mvgvwRKZv ivi Rb| AbK mvgvwRK Abyvb
AvqvRbi AvMB wnme Kiv nqKZ LiP ne Ges wMdU wnme KZ
DV Avme| m Abymvi gvj`vi jvK `LB `vIqvZ `qv nq, hvZ
LiPi Kgc wY DV Avm|
ZvB h mvgvwRK Abyvbi cQb AvwiKZv bB, m aibi
Abyvb hZ Kg nq mgvRi Rb ZZB gj| Avgiv G Awe`vKB
wbg~j KiZ PvB| ZvB jv-msKvP mewKQyK So dj mvgvwRK
GB AbvPviK cwZnZ KiZ ne|
Uwej AvQ Lye fvjv| Uweji cvk w`q hZ hZ wRm
Kieb, Avmmvjvgy AvjvBKzg fvB, Kgb AvQb? hw` ZvKvq, ejeb
Avgiv wMdUjm cvwUKvqvUvg| Avgiv wMdU `BI bv, bBI bv|
Avi `vIqvZ w`Z h-B Avme, ZvK c_gB ejeb h, Avwg Zv
hvev, Avgvi hZ Kvbv Amyweav bB| wK Avgiv Zv Kvbv wMdU
wbB bv| ^vfvweKfveB m mv_ mv_ eje, bv bv, wMdU bqvi `iKvi
bB| Avi AvcwbI ejeb, Avgv`i GLvb GjI Avgiv Kvbv wMdU
ivwL bv| `Leb, m-I wbwZ eva Kie h, Avcbvi GLvb GjI
ZvK Avi wMdU AvbZ ne bv|
ck : jvKjvi fq jvK `Lvbv wMdU-Gi PvKwPK Zv eRb
KijvgGUv bv nq Avgv`i Akvw, AwiZvi KviY| Kvbv Dcj
QvovB wbR _K gvbylK QvULvUv wMdU `qvhv Lye `vwgI bq,
ce 2 \ mvdj

279

GiKg wMdUI wK eRb KiZ ne? AbK mgq wbRi gv, QvU fvBevbK wMdU w`j Zviv h Lywk nq Zv `LZ fvjv jvM| wcqRbK
AvwiKfve h wMdU `qv nq mUvI wK eRbxq?
Di : Avgiv AvMB Gi Di w`qwQ| AvcbRb`i h wRwbmjv
cqvRb Ges hUv m cQ` Ki, hgb, Avcbvi evb eiB LZ cQ`
Ki, Avcwb evRvi _K Avmvi mgq GK KwR eiB wbq Gjb| G
Dcnvii ga `vli wKQy bB| eis wcqRb`i Rb gvS gvSB Zv
Kiv DwPZ| wK Avcwb evRvi _K Ggb wKQy wbq Gjb hvi bv AvQ
cywg~j, bv GUv ivLv hve, bv GUvK Abfve eenvi Kiv hve| ay
ay wKQy cqmv LiP Ki Gjb| GB ceYZvK Avgiv e KiZ PvB|
GB h njgvK, AvwPm, wMdU Mvjvwi BZvw` eRvwZK
Kvvwbjv Ggb GKUv aviYv `qvi Pv KiQ h, KvW w`q
fQv RvbvZ ne| Dcji hgb kl bB, bB ewPiI kl|
Avi `vgi ewPi K_v Zv ejvB evj| k UvKv _K i Ki
nvRvi UvKv|
GKevi GKRb AvgvK GKUv fQv KvW cvVvjv| `L gb njv
ek `vwg| KviY ev `Lv hvQ| m ZLb evBiB emv wQjv| ZvK
WK wRm Kijvg h, gv, Gi KZ `vg coQ? m ejjv h,
wMdUi Kvbv `vg nq bv| Avwg ejjvg, Zv Rvwb, wMdUi Kvbv `vg
bB| Zey GUv Zv Kbv nqQ| wKbZ KZ LiP nqQ?
mvZk
UvKv| ZvK ejjvg h, gv, Avcwb GUv Kx Kijb? hw` ay GKUv Qv
mv`v KvMR wjL AvgvK fQv RvbvZb, ZvnjI Zv Avwg AbK
Lywk nZvg| GLb GB KvWUv Avwg Kx Kiev? GKUy ci Wvweb
dj `ev|
m kKW nq DVjv| ejjvg h, GUv Wvweb djv Qvov Avgvi
Kvbv Dcvq bB| Gjv Avwg ivLev Kv_vq? ivLvi Zv RvqMvI
bB| Zvi Pq hw` GB UvKvUv Avcwb Avgvi bvg gvwUi evsK w`q
w`Zb, mvZk UvKv w`q GKwU wki cbiv w`bi Lvevi nZvhUv
GLb Wvweb Pj hve|
Avmj Avgiv GB RvZxq hZ Dcnvi `B GUvi wVKvbv nQ kl
ch Wvweb| wMdU KvW GKUv evR AcPq Qvov Avi wKQyB bq|
280

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

ck : gv-evevi weevnevwlKxZ mvb hw` wbRi Rgvbv A_ _K wKQy

wKb Dcnvi `q, mUvI wK eRbxq?
Di : gv-evevK Zv memgqB Dcnvi `qv hvq| Gi Rb Kvbv
evwlKxi cqvRb bB| mvbi UvKv hw` Zvi wbR^ nq m UvKv
gv-eveviB| Ze gv-evevK m wRwbmB w`Z ne hUv Zv`i
cqvRb| Avgiv Avmj AcPqi wei| wgwWqv ev gvwbvkbvj
Kvvwbjvi cPviYvi dj wMdU mK mvaviY h aviYv cPwjZ
nqQwMdU gvbB `vwg GKUv wKQy wKbZ neGgb wKQy, hvi Kvbv
eenvi bB, wK LiP ne GKMv`v| cvIqvi ci Ni iL `qv Ges
GKUv mgq dj `qv Qvov Avi wKQy Kivi bB|
gv-evevi weevnevwlKxZ 1000 UvKv w`q KvW w`jb| A_P GB
1000 UvKv hw` Avcwb gv-evevK dj Lvevi Rb w`Zbevev, GB
dj wbq Gjvg| me Zv GKevi Avbv hve bv, evwK UvKvUv w`q ci
dj LI| GB UvKvUv Zvgvi nvZ _vKzK| GUvZ gv-evev Lywk neb
ewk| `y-GKwU ewZg Qvov AwaKvsk B gv-evev UvKv nvZ
cjB Lywk nb ewk| KviY mUv Zviv BQgZv LiP KiZ cvib|
ck : mNefve cqvRbxq Dcnvi wK `qv hve bv? Kviv bZzb
msmvi mevB wgj mvwRq `qvi ga Kx `vl?
Di : KiZ cvib| hgb, ez weq KiQ, bZzb msmvi| AbK wKQy
cqvRb| Avcbviv cuvP-Qq ez wgj msmvii Rb hw` cqvRbxq
wRwbmjv wKb `b, Zvnj Zv GUv DcnviI njv, DcKviI njv|
ck : Avgvi x A wMdU Zz nq bv| Rbw`b, C`, weevnevwlKxi
AvMB m ewk `vgi kvwo `L Avm, evqbv ai Ges bv w`j Mv^v
Ki| Kx KiYxq?
Di : Avcbvi x Zv Avcbvi KvQB evqbv aie| bvwK Avcwb Pvb
Avcbvi x Abi KvQ evqbv aiK? xi hv wKQy evqbv Zv Zv ^vgxi
KvQB Ges Avcbvi hw` mvg_ _vK Avcwb AekB kvwo wKb `eb|
ce 2 \ mvdj

281

Avi mvg_ bv _vKj eywSq ejeb| eywSq ejj eySeb bv, Ggb
xi msLv cw_exZ Lye Kg| Avi GKUz Mv^v Kij Mv^v fvOveb|
ck : Avgiv wK Zvnj GLb _K weevn Abyvbi `vIqvZc wjL
`ev`qv Ki Kvbv Dcnvi Avbeb bv, ay `vqvcv_x?
Di : GB jLvUvI iIqvR nq Mj Avmj jLvZI Kvbv KvR
ne bv| GK Ai _K wekvm KiZ ne h, GB KvRUv Abvq|
mgvR _K Avgiv `~i KiZ PvB h, mvgvwRK Abyvb Avgiv Dcnvi
MnY Kiev bv Ges Dcnvi `ev bv| GKevi, `yBevi, wZbevi| Gici
`Leb h, GB aviYvUvK Avcwb cwZv Ki djQb|
ck : KD hw` AvgvK `qvi Rb Dcnvi wKb dj Ges AvgvK
`q ZLb Avwg wK Dcnvi MnY Kiev?
Di : KD hw` Lywk nq Dcnvi `q, Zv mUv MnY Kivi ga
Kvbv `vl bB| Avgiv hUv `~i KiZ PvB Zv njv wewfb w`em
Dcj Dcnvi `qv-bqvi h ivM mUvK|
ck : Avgv`i gv-eveviv Zv mvgvwRK Dcnvi w`Z PvBeb| Zviv Zv
G evcvi mPZb bb| m Avgv`i Kx KiYxq?
Di : Avmj gv-evevi KvQ GB gmRUv cuQ w`Z ne h,
Avgv`i GB KvRUv agxq w`K _K cwiZvR| Avgv`i agwekvm
Abymvi GUv Kiv wVK bq| GUv GKUv evwa, GUv GKUv AbvPvi|
Zv`i evSvZ mgq jvMZ cvi| wK evSvj Zviv AekB eySeb|
ck : iRx, wMdU bv bqv hZ mnR, wMdU bv `qv wK ZZ mnR?
Avgvi Zv gb nq bv| `vIqvZKvix wK GZ Ki Avgv`i nq PvL
`Le bv? cieZxZ nqZv Avgv`iK `vIqvZ Kivi AvMnI _vKe
bv| KiYxq Kx? mviv mgvR wMdU-Gi Rvqvi fm hvQ, G Aevq
Avgiv KRb wMdU eRb Kiev Kxfve?
282

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Di : wMdU bv bqv hgb mnR, bv `qvI Zgwb mnR| wbfi KiQ

Avcwb KZUv `pZvi mv_ GUvK MnY KiQb| KviY, mgvR bv eyS
AbK wKQyZB fm hvq| wK Avgiv hviv Rvwb, Avgiv Kb fm
hvev? hviv eySZ cviwQ, KvRUv mvgvwRK I agxq w`K _K
cwiZvR, wb`bxq Ges A_bwZK w`K _K wZKi, Zviv Kb mvnm
wbq `uvovev bv? mvnm wbq `uvovbAvcwb Rqx neb| mZ hZ `yej
nvK, AmZ Abvq hZ cej nvKmZB memgq Rqx nqQ|
Avgiv hviv KvqvUvg GmwQ wbtm`n Avgiv Avgv`i mgvRi
mePq mvnmx gvbyl| Avgiv cPwjZ mvZi wec ejB Avgiv
GKwZ nqwQ| cPwjZ mvZ hv ejQ KvbvUvi gaB Avgiv bB
Ges Avgv`i msLv w`b w`b evoQ| 1993 mvj Avgiv hLb c_g i
KiwQjvg, ZLb Avgv`i mevB cvMj ejwQjv| Avgiv ZLb
ejwQjvg h, gwWUkb nQ wevb, Avgv`i Pvicvki h Pvc,
AvaywbK hyMhYvi PvcG _K gwWUkbB gyw w`Z cvi| Zvi 10
eQi ci 2003 mvj UvBg gvMvwRb cQ` wbe Kijvmvq Ad
gwWUkb| AvRK KvDK ej w`Z nq bv h, gwWUkb Kx|
Avgiv GKmgq mdU wWsKm LZvg| hw`b evwbK Z_ Rvbjvg
h, bv, GUv wVK bq, mw`b _K wbR LvIqv e Ki w`jvg Ges
Avcbv`i ejjvg, AvcbvivI Lveb bv| 20 eQi AvM wkwZ gvbyl G
evcvi AmPZb wQjb| GLb mPZb wkwZ gvbylK ej w`Z nq
bv h, Kvgj cvbxq ^vi Rb wZKi|
Avgiv ejwQjvg, Rv dzW Lveb bv, evPv`i LvIqveb bv| Kviv
wec bq, Avgiv mZ K_v ejwQjvg| AvRK mevB Rv dzWi
wei ejQ| Avgiv hLb ^Qv i`vb Kgm~wP wbq KvR i
KijvgmevB ejQ, GUv cvieb bv, GUv Lye KwVb KvR| Avgiv
ejwQ, GUv gvbyli DcKvii Rb, bK wbqZKvbv cPvii Rb
bq| Avgiv AekB cviev| MZ 12 eQi Avgiv mvqv Pvi j evM
i I i Dcv`vb mieivn KiwQ| evsjv`k mePq eo Ges
mNe Wvbvicyj GLb Avgv`i| KviY Avgv`i wbqZ wQjv gvbyli
DcKvi Kiv|
gvbyl hLb wekvm KiZ i Ki, wekvmB ZLb ZvK PvwjZ Ki|
GB mvgvwRK wMdU GKUv evR evwa| Avgiv MZ `yB hyM ai `LwQ,
ce 2 \ mvdj

283

mvgvwRK Abyvbi mB wbgj Avb` Avi bB| Kb? wMdU wKbZ

ne| GUv GKUv mvgvwRK AbvPvi| GUv KDB cQ` Ki bv| h wMdU
wbq hvq m-I cQ` Ki bv| aygv jvKjvi fq wbq hvq|
Avgiv hw` mvnm Ki `uvovB, hviv KvqvUvgi evBi AvQ Zviv kvbvi
mv_ mv_ eje h, AvgivI Zvnj KvqvUvg nq hvB| Zvnj Avi
wMdU jvMe bv| KviY GUv Zv`i Rb GZ cqvRbxq h, cwZUv
gvbyl ^wi wbtkvm dje hw` wMdU Qvov mvgvwRK Abyvb hZ
cvi| KvRB Avgiv h c`c wbwQ Zv gvbyli KjvY| `Lv hve,
kxNB mvgvwRK wMdUi wec Rvqvi i ne|
mvgvwRK Abyvb wbtmsKvP hveb| ejeb, Avwg KvqvUvg, Avwg
GB evwa _K gy nqwQ, Avwg my| wavnxbfve hveb, Zw mnKvi
Lveb, cvYfi `vqv Ki Lywk gb wdi Avmeb| `Leb, mevB
AvcbvK AbymiY KiQ|
Aviv KvqvUvg MvRyqU Abyvb _vKj Zv`i wbq Rvi Rvi
`vqv Kib| mevB Lqvj Kie h, Giv Kviv| Avgiv mvgvwvRK wMdU
`qv-bqvK evR KvR gb Kwi| cwiek-cwiwwZ eyS mvnmi m
hvb| AMYx m, h c_ `Lvq, Avi mgvjvPK Kej mgvjvPbv Ki|
wKQyw`b ci mgvjvPKI eje, Avmj AvwgI GUvB fvewQjvg, GUvB
wVK wK mvnm cvB wb|
ck : mvgvwRKZvi LvwZi gawe, wbgweiv weqi Abyvb aviKR
Ki| hw` G`i weqZ Dcnvi wnme UvKv Lvg fi `qv nq bvgwVKvbv QvovGZ gv-evevi Ges ei-Kbi DcKvi nq| hnZz bZzb
msmvi AbK wKQyi cqvRb| weqi Abyvb UvKv `qv Kgb nq?
Avcbvi gZvgZ PvB|
Di : Avmj GB wRwbmUvK cwinvi Kivi gZv gvbwmK Aev mw
KiZ ne| weqi Abyvb| avi Ki Kb dzUvwb KiZ ne? GB
evwaUv _K Avgv`i mvnm Ki ewiq AvmZ ne| Avi bZzb
msmviK my`i Kivi Rb cqvRbxq mvgMx Ab hKvbv mgq
AvwiK Dcnvi wnme `qv hvq| GwU GKwU my`i mnhvwMZv| Ze
weqi Abyvb Kvbv Dcnvi wbq hvIqv nQ mvgvwRK evwa|
284

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

ck : Avgiv GLb Kxfve Rbw`b, gZzw`b, weevnevwlKx cvjb Kiev

Zvi GKUv w`K-wb`kbv w`b|
Di : hw` kvixwiKfve mg_ nb Zvnj i`vb Ki Avcwb Avcbvi
Rbw`b cvjb Kieb| Avi gv-evevi gZzw`b cvjb Kivi mePq
fvjv c_ njvZv`i Rb `vqv Kiv Ges hw` Avw_K mvg_ _vK
Zvnj cZK gZzw`b Zv`i bvg wfb wfb vb GKwU Ki
wUDeIqj vcb Kiv| GUv Zvi Rb m`Kvq-Rvwiqv wnme KvR
Kie| GKUv iIqvR AvQ h, gZi Rb `vIqvZ LvIqvbv| mQj
nj cyiv Mvgi gvbylK LvIqvb AbK| GUv A_nxb| GKRbK
LvIqvi Rb UvKv w`j m Zv Lq LiP Ki djjv| Zvi Pq
20/ 25 nvRvi UvKv LiP Ki GKUv wUDeIqj vcb Kib| G _K
kZ kZ gvbyl DcKZ ne| h KviY Avgv`i eyRyMiv hLvbB
hZb, AvM w`wN Lbb KiZb|
Avi weevnevwlKxZ xK Avcbvi mvg_ Abymvi Dcnvi w`b Ges
ZvK wbq mgq KvUvb| dvjZz LiP hZ Kg Kib ZZ fvjv| AvZxqez`i `vIqvZ w`q LvIqvZ cvib| wK Avmj KvR nQ x ev
^vgxi cwZ c~Y gbvhvM `qv|
ck : Dcnvi `qvi `wfw Kx nIqv DwPZ?
Di : Avgiv Avmj h cwqv ev cwZZ wMdU `B Zv Avgv`i
kvkZ agxq PZbvi AvjvKB eRb Kiv DwPZ| Avgv`i kvkZ agxq
wkv GB aibi wMdU Gi wec, cwZKj| cwZ`vbi Avkvq h `vb
ev Dcnvi `qv nq Zv cwiYvg Ki KviY nq|
Avgiv hvivB weq ev Rbw`b wMdU `B, Avgiv cZK cZvkv
Kwi h, Avgvi Qji ev gqi weqZ GiKg Avme| hvK wMdU
`qv nq wZwb Avevi wj Ki ivLb h, AgyK GB w`qwQjv| AZ
mB gvbi ev Zvi Pq ewk njI ZvK w`Z ne| GB `qvUv nQ
jvK `Lvbv, GB `qvUv nQ cwZhvwMZv, hv mvi KvQ AZ
AcQ`bxq| KviAvbi wkv Abymvi h `vb `vZvi Ki KviY nq
mUv AZ wb`bxq Ges cwiZvR|
ce 2 \ mvdj

285

ck : mvgvwRK wMdUUvK Avgiv Kx `wZ `Lev?

Di : weq, efvZ, Rbw`b, AvwKKv, mybZ LZbv BZvw` mvgvwRK
Abyvb wMdU `qvK Avgiv mvgvwRK evwa gb Kwi| KviY GwU
mvgvwRK mymKi GKUv AbwfcZ Pvc mw Ki| evav wnme
KvR Ki|
GK evev ejwQjb, Zvi gq evexi Rbw`b hve, weKj GmB
wPrKvievev, Kx wbq hvev? wKQyB Zv eySZ cviwQ bv, Kx wbq
hvev? m Rbw`b Avb` Kie Kx, Zvi cikvwb ev Ubkb nQ h,
Kx wbq hve, Kx wKbe| GUv ay GKRb evevi K_v bq, me evev Ges
me Qj-gqi evcvi GKBiKg|
Avmj mvgvwRK AbyvbjvZ Dcnvi Avgiv ^Zt~Zfve Lye
KgB `B| Avgiv `B eva nq| bxwZMZfveB Avgiv GLb _K GB
aibi wMdU `qv ev bqv eRb KiZ cvwi|
ck : wcqRbK Dcnvi `qvi `wfw Kx?
Di : wcqRbK Dcnvi `qvi Rb Kvbv w`bY jvM bv|
wcqRbK hLb BQ hv BQ `eb, ewk ewk `eb| wK AcPq
hb bv nq| evRvi Mjb, Ggb GKUv wRwbm wKb wbq Mjb hv
Avcbvi ^vgx ev xi Kvbv KvRB jvMjv bv, m nqZv Zv cQ`B
Kijv bv| GiKg wMdU Kbv A_nxb, GUv AcPq| Ze h wRwbmUv
KvR jvMe, hUv Avcbvi wcqRb eenvi Kieb, wbq Avmyb mUv|
ck : Dcnvi Ges mvgvwRK Dcnvii ga cv_K Kx?
Di : Dcnvi Ges mvgvwRK Dcnvi`yUv wK GK bq| Dcnvi njv
kZnxb, hvi cQb Kvbv cvIqvi cZvkv bB, AvQ Kej `qvi
Avb`| GUvB nQ Zvn&dv ev Dcnvi| imyjyj-vn (m) G aibi
DcnviB MnY KiZb|
Kvbv kZ bv iL, Kvbv cvIqvi cZvkv bv Ki AvwiKfve
KvDK hKvbv wRwbm `qv hZ cvi hv Zvi cqvRb c~iY Kie|
286

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Ggb Dcnvi Avj-vni KvQ AZ cQ`bxq| Avcwb eySZ cviQb h,

GKRbi GKUv wRwbm Lye cqvRb, m wKbZ cviQ bv| m Avcbvi
QvU fvB nZ cvi, fvwZRv, gvgv, Lvjv h KD nZ cvi| Avcwb
eySZ cviQbGB wRwbmUv cj Zvi KvR jvMe, DcKvi ne|
Avcwb ZvK w`b| GUv Zvi cqvRb c~iY Kie, GUv nQ mwZKvii
Dcnvi| GB Dcnvi dvDkb memgq DrmvwnZ Ki|
Avgiv wMdU wbq hvB ay jvKjvi KviY| ay jvKfq h, bv
wbj Kx eje, bv wbq hvB Kxfve| PMvgi GK NUbvAvgv`i GK
`vwqZkxj ejwQjb, MZ 20 eQi ai Dwb xK wbq Kvbv weqZ
hZ cviZb bv| KviY Ibvi wbqg wQjv Kvbv `vIqvZ Mj Dwb
wMdU wbZb bv| Avi xi K_v njv, wMdU bv wbj Avwg Zvgvi mv_
hvev bv| jvK Kx eje, gwnjv GmQ GiKg mRRwMdU
Qvov| wK IqvKkc hLb Avgiv mvgvwRK Dcnvi eRbi K_v ejjvg,
wZwb Lye Lywk njb| xK ejjb, Gevi wbqB Zzwg Avgvi mv_
GKgZ ne| x-I hnZz KvqvUvgi m`m, IqvKkci AvjvPbvq
wZwbI Dy njb|
20 eQi ci c_gevii gZv ^vgx-x GKmv_ Kvbv weqi
`vIqvZ Mjb| A_P AvM ^vgx Mj x hZb bv, Avi x Mj
wMdU wbq hZb ZvB ^vgx hZb bv| GB e Avgiv fvOZ cvwi bv
Kb? aygv jvK Kx gb KiejvKjv-jvKfq| GB jvKfqi
KviY Avgiv Avgv`i e AvUK _vwK Ges GB jvKfqUv gwnjv`i
mePq ewk|
ck : AcPqi e _K eivev Kxfve?
Di : AcPqi e _K ewiq AvmZ nj Avgv`i QvU QvU wKQy
KvR KiZ ne| Rxebi `wfwZ cwieZb wbq AvmZ ne| Avgiv
Avmj `y`kvi e Ave nq _vwK|
Avgiv mvaviYZ AcPqi Rb abx`i `vqx Kwi| wK AcPq ay
abxivB Ki bv, AcPqi ceYZv Avmj abx-`wi`, DPwewbweme kYxi gaB iqQ| eis Kvbv Kvbv abx`i
Pq MwieivB AcPq Ki ewk| wewbqvMi QveiY abx`i AvcvZ
ce 2 \ mvdj

287

eqevj `L Avgiv wev njI, eywS bv h, mUv wZwb KiQb

fwelZ jvfi K_v gv_vq iLB| wK Mwie AcPq Ki djQ Zvi
AcwiYvg`wkZvi KviY| mwVK Rxeb`wi Afvei KviY|
G _K ewiq AvmZ nj Avgv`i eq KiZ ne Avq Abymvi,
Aceq Kiv hve bv| dvjZz dzUvwb KiZ wMq Ggb Kvbv evj LiP
Kiv hve bv hvi cwiYvg fqi| Avgiv Rvwb, Kweii mB weLvZ
`yB weNv Rwg KweZvi K_vFY wbq aygavg Ki gqi weq w`Z
wMq `wi` DcbK Kxfve mnvqmw me nvivZ nqwQjv|
KvRB wbRi mebvk Kieb bv| jvKjv _K euvPZ wMq
wbRi mewKQy Lvqveb bv| v mvgvwRK msvii ewj neb bv|
Avgv`i AvRKi `y`kvi AbZg KviY v msvi viv cfvweZ
AcPq| AcPqKvix, AceqKvix nQ kqZvbi fvB| kqZvb hnZz
Awfk, kqZvbi fvB ev evb nj AvcbviI Awfkvc _K iv
cvIqv KwVb|
Ze gb ivLZ ne, AcPq Avi eq GK bq| cqvRbxq eq
KiZ ne, Kiv DwPZ| eis ejv hZ cvi, cqvRbxq eq KiZ
cvivUvI GKUv AvU| cqvRbxq eq KiZ cvijB Avcwb Avcbvi Avq
evovZ cvieb| m` evovZ cvieb| qgZvK evovZ
cvieb| KgZ _vKe Avcbvi Afve-Akvw|
wK AcPq Kieb bv| cY`vm icvwiZ neb bv| Avmj
Aceqi g~j KviY cY`vmZ ev KbRygvwiRg| Avgiv wevcb GZB
cfvweZ nB h, Avgiv fvwe, Avgv`i Avmj cwiPqAvgiv gvbyl bv,
Avgiv Zv| KbRygvwiRg Avgv`i GKUv wRwbmB wkwLqQ h,
Avgv`i GKUvB cwiPqAvgiv KbRygvi|
Avgiv wKbev hvZ Ki Zviv jvfevb nZ cvi| Kbvi Dbv`bv,
GKUvi ci GKUv| ay KbvZ ne, G KviY GKUvi ci GKUv
cvKR| hb jvK gb KiGUv bZzb, GUv wKbZB ne| memgq
Kej gWj cwieZb| hb Avcwb Kbvi Rvk _vKb memgq|
Kbvi GKUv Dbv`bv hb Avcbvi ga _vK| Zvnj Zviv jvfevb
ne| GB Dbv`bv _K gy _vKeb| ZvnjB Avcwb ewiq AvmZ
cvieb AcPqi e _K|
288

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Abi mvnvhi Acvq _vKv

ck : Kvbv Avkv hw` Abi gvag evevwqZ nq Zvnj m Avkvq
wekvm ivLj wK KvR ne? m~Y KvRwU wbfi KiQ Zvi Ici|
Di : Avcbvi Avkv KLbv Ab KD evevwqZ Kie bv| Avcbvi
Avkv evevwqZ Kivi hvMZv hw` Avcbvi bv _vK Zvnj Zv KLbv
c~iY ne bv| Avmj Avgiv GLvbB fyj Kwi| wbRi mvdji Rb
Abi mvnvhi cZvkvq _vwK Ges wbRi e_Zvi Rb AbK
`vlvivc Kwi|
cvwim wWRwbjv weKjejvi AvKlY nQ cviW| cviW
hvQ| wWRwbi KvUyb KviKUvijv bvPZ bvPZ hvQ| mevi kl
Avm mePq Rbwcq KviKUvi| `kK AevK nq `Ljv, mevi
kl AvmQ AvjLj-v cwiwnZ Givweqvb bvBUm&-Gi Avjvw`b|
Kb Avjvw`bi GB RbwcqZv? KviY kZKiv 99 fvM gvbyli
wPvi cZxK nQ Avjv`xb| Avjv`xb Zvi PivM Nlv w`Q, hv PvQ
`Z Gm me Zwi Ki w`Q| Avgiv PvB wbRiv Avjv`xbi gZv
bP-Mq Avivg-Avqk mgq KvUvev Avi Avgv`i KvRjv
Avjv`xbi `Zi gZv Abiv Ki `e| `wfwi GB gwjK wUi
KviY Avgiv mdj nZ cvwi bv|
Avmj Abi mvnvhi cZvkvq _vKj Kx nqZv wbq mydx`i
GKwU M AvQ| GK Mvg gjv nQ| nvRvi nvRvi gvbyli
kviMvj, AvIqvR, nBPB| gjvi GK Kvbvq GKwU Kzqv wQjv| Gi
Pvicvk Kvbv `qvj wQjv bv| GK jvK gjv `LZ Gm Avb`
uk nvwiq nVvr co Mj KzqvZ| coB wPrKvi KiZ jvMjv
euvPvI! euvPvI! wK GZ kviMvj Zvi AvIqvR Avi K kvb? KD
Avi Avm bv|
Gi ga GKRb gjfx Gjb Kzqvi KvQ| Zvi Zv cqwQjv|
wZwb cvwbi Rb h-B KzqvZ DuwK w`jb, Agwb jvKwUi wPrKvi Avi
Kvbv bZ cjb| me b wZwb ejjb, wbqB Zzwg Kvbv cvc
KiQv| m cvciB Kgdj GUv| ZvgvK Kgdj fvM KiZ ne|
A_ev GUv Zvgvi c~eRbi Kvbv cvci kvw hv Zvgvi ZK`xiB
ce 2 \ mvdj

289

wQjv| LvgvLv wPrKvi Kiv bv, cvci evSv Aviv evoe| eis
fvMK gb bvI|
jvKwU ZLb wPrKvi Ki ejjv, AvM AvgvK euvPvI, Zvici
Zvgvi IqvR bev| G Aevq Kvbv IqvR Avgvi gv_vq XyKe bv|
mB agvPvix fvejv, GB cvwcK mvnvh Ki AvwgI nqZv cvwc
nq hvev| m ZvovZvwo mi cojv|
Gi ga GKRb ivRbxwZK eywRxex ev wec-ex mLvb Gjb| Gm
Kzqvi fZi IB gyg~ly jvKwUK `Ljb| ZvK `L Kzqvi jvKwU
wPrKvi Ki ej DVjv, Avwg gi hvwQ| KD AvgvK IVvQ bv|
AvgvK euvPvI| wZwb ejjb, mgvRwevbxiv wVKB ejbcZKwU
Kci Pvicvk `qvj _vKZ ne| Zzwg Kvbv wPv Kiv bv| Avgiv
`kRyo Av`vjb Mo Zzjev, mgvRK e`j `ev| miKviK eva
Kiev cwZwU Kci Pvicvk `qvj wbgvY KiZ, hvZ fwelZ Avi
`qvj Qvov Kvbv Kc bv _vK| Zzwg wbwZ _vKv|
jvKwU wPrKvi Ki DVjv, ZZw`b Zv Avwg gi hvev! GZ
Avgvi Kx DcKvi ne! Avwg Zv Kzqvq co AvwQ| ivRbxwZK ZLb
ejjb, GUv Kvbv evcvi bq, ew Kvbv welq bq| mgvR nQ
Avmj| Zzwg Mfxi Zwi mv_ gviv hZ cviv GB fe h, Zvgvi
Rxeb DrmMi ga w`q Kci Pvicvk `qvj wbgvYi Av`vjb i
ne| fwelZ Avi KD Kzqvq co gviv hve bv|
m nZvk nq fvejv, GLb Zvi Kx ne! Ke miKvi `qvj Zzje
Avi ZZw`b m gi f~Z nq hve! Gi ga Gjv GK we`wk mvnvh
msvi vYKgx ev GbwRI Kgx| Kzqvi fZi ZvwKq jvKwUK `L
m wKQy ejvi AvMB wbRi evM Lyj mLvb _K iwk ei Kijv
Ges GKUv evjwZ eua mUv Kzqvi ga dj w`jv|
Kzqvi fZii jvKwU wPrKvi KiZ KiZ Kv nq wMqwQjv|
vYKgxK `L c_g m wei eva Kijv| fvejv, Avevi GmQ
GKRb, GLb Gi eZv bZ ne| wK wKQyYi gaB `Ljv
jvKwU wKQy bv ej evjwZ djQ ZvK Dvi Kivi Rb| vYKgx
wPrKvi Ki ejjv, GUv fvjv Ki ai| Avwg ZvgvK Ub Zzjev,
Zvgvi DVZ ne bv, IVvi Kvbv PvI KiZ ne bvejB axi
axi Ici Ub Zzjjv ZvK|
290

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Ici IVvi ci KZZvq jvKwU H GbwRI Kgxi cvq GKevi

jywUq cojvAvcwb `eZv, AvgvK euvwPqQb, Avcbvi FY Avwg
RxebI kva KiZ cviev bv|
GbwRI Kgx gb gb nvmjb Avi fvejb, nvqi AvnvK! ZzB
Kvbvw`b RvbweI bv h, GB Kzqvjv AvgivB GiKg Ki iLwQ|
hvZ Ki Zviv eskvbyg evi evi Kzqvq cwom Avi Dvi Kivi
bvg Zv`i wbgv Ki Avgiv `eZvi Avmb em kvlY KiZ cvwi
Avi g`fuywo evovZ cvwi|
ck : Avgvi ^vgx meiKg Pv Kivi ciI cyuwR Ges gvbyli GKUz
mnvqZvi Afve wKQy KiZ cviQ bv| Kx Kiev?
Di : Kviv mnvqZvi Acvq _vKj Avcbvi ^vgx KLbvB wKQy
KiZ cvieb bv| cyuwR Ges mnvqZv Zv GgwbZ cvIqv hvq bv| GK
AvKlY KiZ nq| wbRi fZii kw Ges wekvmK RvMZ KiZ
nq| Avi mRb cqvRb `wfwi cwieZb| mBmv_ ARb KiZ
ne Ab`i MnYhvMZv Ges Avv| Avi cyuwR Zv mvB AvcbvK
w`q w`qQb| BwZnvmi w`K ZvKvj `Leb, gw bvgi GB cuywR
whwb hZUzKz eenvi KiZ ciQb wZwb ZZUzKz mdj nqQb|
Avmj Rxeb memgq i KiZ nq hv AvQ ZvB wbq| gywhyi
K_v fveyb| 1971 mvj hw` Avgiv gb KiZvg h, Avgv`i Kvgvb
bvB, wegvb bvB, UvsK bvB, mbvevwnbx bvBAvM Kvgvb AvmyK, wegvb
AvmyK, UvsK AvmyK, mbvevwnbx Zwi nvK Zvici gywhy i ne|
KqvgZ cvi nq hZ, Avgiv h Mvjvg wQjvg mB MvjvgB _vKZvg|
mw`b Avgiv Kx KiwQjvg? hvi hv AvQ Zv wbqB i KiwQjvg Ges
hLb Kvbv ew ev RvwZ hv AvQ Zv wbq i Ki, wekvm wbq i
Ki ZLb mvi KiYv Zvi Ici ewlZ nq| m-B Rqx nq| bq gvmi
GZ A mgq Avgiv h ^vaxb nZ ciwQjvg, GUv GB KviY|
bexRx (m)-Gi KvQ GKevi GKRb Gm ejjv, Kw`b ai m Lvq
wb| bexRx (m) wK ZvK wfv `b wb| wZwb ZvK Kvbv evsK
`wLq `b wb h, AgyK evsK z`FY `qv nq| wZwb ck KiwQjb,
Zvgvi Ni Kx AvQ? m ejQ, GKUv K^jB AvQ hUv Zvi GKgv
ce 2 \ mvdj

291

m^j| bexRx (m) ejwQjbwVK AvQ, K^jwU wbq Gmv| wbq

Avmvi ci ZvK ejjb, GUv wew Ki AaK UvKv w`q Lvevi wKbZ
Avi AaK w`q GKUv Kzovj wKbZ, hvZ Rj KvV KU m RxweKv
wbevn KiZ cvi|
AZGe Avcbvi ^vgxi DwPZ ne `wfw cwieZb Kiv| `wfw
cwieZb Kij Kxfve i KiZ ne Zv wZwb wbRB eySeb|
ck : hLb ez`i UvKvcqmv evwo-Mvwo `wLAvgvi Lye nZvk jvM|
gvS gvS gb nq, Avwg hw` I`i gZv myhvM-myweav cZvg Rxeb
AbK fvjv KiZ cviZvg|
Di : Avmj GB h hw`GUv nQ AjxK Kbv| hw` AgyKi Qj
ev gq nZvg, AgyK weLvZ ewi fvB ev evb nZvg, Zvnj KZB bv
fvjv nZv, KZ wKQzB bv KiZ cviZvg! GiKg wPv Kiv Avgv`i
GKUv ^vfvweK ceYZv|
Avgiv hLb zj coZvg ZLb c~e cvwKvbi kxl `k abxi GK
abxi QvU fvB Avgv`i mv_ coZv| m zj AvmZv MvwoZ Ki|
GLb Zv knii hKvbv zji mvgbi ivvq QzwUi mgq Mvwoi wfo
UvwdK Rvg jM hvq! wK ZLb cyiv zj GB GKUvB Mvwo AvmZv|
QjUvi iRv wQjv gvUvgywU| ZvK MvwoZ AvmZ `L
mncvVx`i KD KD ejZv, cvov Kcvj Avgvi! Avgvi hw` GiKg
GKUv fvB _vKZv! GZ myhvM _vKZv! iRv Ki `wLq w`Zvg!
Zv`i iRv wK fvjv nq wb| KgRxeb `yRbB nqwQjv
Kivwb| Kb? Zv`i wPv iB nqQ hw` w`q| GB hw`I Avi
c~iY nq wb, ZvB evwK hv hv Zviv Kbv KiQ Zvi wKQzB NU wb|
A_P hviv iRv fvjv KiQ, dv mK _vW dv_ nqQ, Zviv
wK H iKg fvB QvovB nqQ|
Avmj Avcwb hLvb RbMnY KiQb, mUvB Avcbvi eveZv|
mUvB Avcbvi eZgvb| AvcbvK GLb wPv KiZ neGB eZgvb
_K Avcwb Kxfve DbZ fwelZi w`K hZ cvib|
Avgiv AbK Kbv Kwi AZxZ wbq| hw` AgyK cixvq fvjv
iRv KiZvg, Zvnj AvRK Avgvi Rxeb GiKg nZv| GwUI AjxK
292

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Kbv| i KiZ nq memgq eZgvb _K| AZxZ _K KD KLbv

i KiZ cvi bv|
GB AjxK Kbv, AjxK ^c, AjxK cZvkv Avgv`i myhvM I
mvebvK cyivcywi b Ki `q| Avgv`i gw GB AjxK KbvK
eve gb Ki GK aibi myLvbyf~wZi ga _vK| wK AjxK myLi
ga Avcwb wKQzYi Rb nvwiq hvQb| hLb eve wdi AvmQb
ZLb AjxK Kbv Avi _vKQ bv Ges Avdmvmi e Avcwb ew` nq
hvQb, GZ cviQb bv| Avi Rxebi mePq g~jevb m` mgq
AcPq nq hvQ| ZvB AjxK KbvK mPZbfve cwinvi Kib|

PvIqv ebvg hvMZv

ck : Avcwb memgq ejb, bqvi Rb hvM nZ ne| Kgb
hvMZv GKUz eywSq ejeb?
Di : Avmj Avcbvi h j, h gbQwe, mUv ARbi Rb h
hvMZv cqvRbmUvB AvcbvK ARb KiZ ne| Avcwb hw`
cwmWU nZ Pvb, AvcbvK ivRbxwZi gvicuvP eySZ ne, hw` mdj
jLK nZ Pvb AvcbvK fvjv wjLZ wkLZ ne, hw` Ljvqvo nZ
Pvb fvjv LjZ neGUvB hvMZv|
ck : Abi Rb `vqv Kij Abi mdjZv Avm wK wbRi Rb
GZ `vqv KiwQ mvdj AvmQ bv Kb?
Di : GKwU welq memgq gb ivLZ ne h, Kg Qvov cv_bv Keyj
nq bv| Abiv wVKgZv KvR KiQ, ZvB Zv`i Rb `vqv Kij
mvdj AvmQ| Avcbvi `vqvUv Zv`i mnvqK kw wnme KvR
KiQ| wK wbRi Avcwb wVKgZv KvR KiQb bv, cvIqvi
cwqvq cek KiQb bvZvB nQ bv|
hgb, Avcwb weqi cv_bv Kijb, fvjv weq nvK| wK weqi
Zv GKUv cwqv AvQ| ei ev Kb Zv AvKvk _K bg Avme bv|
ce 2 \ mvdj

293

cwiwPZ`i ejZ ne| hviv G evcvi Awf, hviv D`vM wbZ cvi
Zv`i mv_ hvMvhvM KiZ ne| hgb, GK Qj, Zvi weqi eqm
cwiq hvQ| gv-evev weqi Kvbv D`vM wbQ bv `L GKw`b m
gvK ejjv, gv `L, AgyK AgyK (gvqi cwiwPZ KqKRbi
bvg)Iiv Avgvi Pq eqm KZ QvU! ZviciI `L, GKKRb
KxiKg evev nq MQ| gv ZLb eySjb, Avi, Qj Zv Zvi wbRi
weqi K_vB ejQ| gv ZLb Qji Rb cvx `Lv i Kijb|
A_vr AvcbvK PvBZ ne Ges cvIqvi cwqvZI hZ ne|
hgb, KvqvUvg wkKvbbi Rb Avgv`i cPzi A_i cqvRb
wQjv| GRb Avgiv hw` Avj-vn UvKv `vI, Avj-vn UvKv `vI ej em
_vKZvg Zvnj Kx nZv? wKQyB nZv bv| Avgiv ZvB A_ msMni
cwqvq Mjvg| nzj Bev` gvwUi evsKi gvag A_ msMn i
Kijvg| A_vr cwqvq bv Mj ne bv| G wbqI mydx`i M AvQ|
GK GjvKvq cej ebvq Nievwo, Mevw` c, gvbylme fm
hvQ| Gmgq GKwU jvK Avj-vni KvQ cv_bv KiZ jvMjv, n
Avj-vn! Zzwg AvgvK Dvi Ki| wKQyYi ga `Lv Mj, GKwU
bKv AvmQ| gvwS jvKwUK bKvq DV AvmZ ejjv| wK m
ivwR njv bv| ejjv, bKvi `iKvi bB| Avj-vnB AvgvK Dvi
Kieb| m bKvq DVjv bv|
bKv Pj Mj| cvwb Aviv evoZ jvMjv| Nii AaKiI ewk
Wye Mj cvwbZ| jvKwU Nii ga PwK w`q gvPv Ki Zvi Ici
DV `uvovjv| Gi ga mbvevwnbxi cUvj evU A_vr wWevU
Gw`K w`q hvwQjv| ZvK `L ejjv, DV Gmv| Avgiv
ebv`yMZ`i Dvi KiwQ| m Zv`i evUI DVjv bv| ejjv, Avwg
Avcbv`i mv_ hvev bv| Avj-vnB AvgvK Dvi Kieb|
wWevU Pj Mj| cvwb evoZ evoZ Zvi Nii Pvj ch DV
Mj| m wMq `uvovjv Pvji Ici| Ggb mgq Ici w`q Avwgi GKUv
nwjKvi ZvK `LZ cq mv_ mv_ iwk dj ejjv, GB iwkUv
ai| Avgiv ZvgvK DwVq wbwQ| Avwg iwk aiev bv, Avj-vnB AvgvK
Dvi KiebGB ej Zvi euvPvi kl Aej^b nwjKviwUKI m
we`q Ki w`jv| cvwb Aviv evojv Ges GKchvq cvwb ZvKI
Wyweq w`jv| nveyWyey Lq kl ch m gvivB Mj|
294

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

gviv wMq dikZv`i m `Lv nIqvi ci m ejjv, Avwg

Avj-vnK GZ WvKjvg, A_P wZwb Avgvi K_v bjb bv| dikZviv
ejjv h, `L, Avj-vn Zv c_g wWwO bKv cvVvjb, Zvici wW
evU cvVvjb, Zvici nwjKvi cvVvjb| wK Zzwg KvbvUvZB
DVj bv| Zzwg hw` bv IVv Zvnj Avj-vn ZvgvK Kxfve iv
Kieb? A_vr AvcbvK gbQwe KiZ ne| mBmv_ cvIqvi cwqvq
KvRI KiZ ne|
ck : hvMZv Qvov wKQy cvIqv hvq bv GUv wK mwVK? gvbyl wK mwi
DivwaKvix nq bv? jUvwi RZ bv?
Di : Avmj hvMZv Qvov hw` mv wKQy w`qI `b mUv Avgiv ai
ivLZ cviev bv| Bsjv Iqvb wgwjqb cvD A_vr Avgv`i UvKvq
10 KvwU UvKv jUvwi cqwQjbGiKg 25 Rbi mvvrKvi wewewmZ
cPvwiZ nqwQjv| jUvwi RZvi 10 eQi ci ck Kiv nqwQjv,
Avcbvi AvRKi Rxeb Avi jUvwi RZvi AvMi Rxeb Kx ZdvZ|
GLb KZ UvKv AvQ Avcbvi KvQ? cZKB ejQb, wKQyB bB|
AvMI hgb wQjv GLbv Zv-B AvQ| gvSLvb wKQyw`b eo eo
nvUj _KwQ, Nyi ewoqwQ| A_vr 10 KvwU UvKv cq Zviv
Zv`i fvMK e`jvZ cvi wb| KviY Zv`i Kvbv cwZ wQjv bv|
dj mB UvKv Zviv ai ivLZ cvi wb| 10 KvwU UvKvK cyuwR ev
m` icvwiZ KiZ cvi wb|
Avevi RvwZMZfve `Lyb| Avie`i w`K ZvKvb| Zv`iK mv
h Kx cwigvY m` w`qQbAvgv`i c Kbv KivI me bq|
Avie-BmivBj hyi ci, 1973 mvj Avieiv Zj ivwb e Ki
w`jv| AvRvwZK evRvi Zji `vg Ki eo Mj| ci Zviv
Pov`vg ivwb KiZ ivwR njv| cPyi UvKv DcvRb Kijv| wK G
UvKv w`q wbRiv wKQyB KiZ cvijv bv|
wUwjqb wUwjqb Wjvi AvgwiKvb evsK Rgv Kijv| AvgwiKvb
evsK _K G UvKvjv ZLb jvwUb AvgwiKvi wewfb cK wewbqvM
njv| evsKviiv hyw `Lvjv, Ajmfve dj bv iL Abvb
RvqMvq wewbqvM Kij fvjv jvf cvIqv hve| wUwjqb wUwjqb Wjvi
ce 2 \ mvdj

295

wewbqvM Kivi ci `Lv Mj, mejv LvZ wQjv AjvfRbK| jvf Zv

cii K_v, AvmjB eiev` nq Mj|
Gi KviY Zv`i G A_ K DcvwRZ bq| BDivwcqvbiv h A_
mq KiQ Gi cQb K AvQ, kg AvQ| wK Avie`i A_i
cQb cwikg bB| cwikg hw` bv _vK, eyw hw` bv _vK, gwi
eenvi hw` bv _vK Zvnj Avcwb hv cvQb, mUvKI Avcwb KLbv
KvR jvMvZ cvieb bv|
evc-`v`vi m`I Avcwb ivLZ cvieb bv hw` hvM bv nb|
Abiv Zv fvM Kie| Avcwb Pq Pq `Leb Avi Mvb
MvBebAvwg Pq Pq `Ljvg, Zzwg Pj Mj..| AZGe cvIqvi
Rb Ges mB cvIqvK ai ivLvi Rb hvMZv mw KiZ ne|

avivevwnKZv
ck : Avwg Kvbv KvRi AvM Lye fvjv cwiKbv KiZ cvwi Ges
KvR i Kwi| wK mB KvR kl KiZ cvwi bv| bvbv KviY Zv
cwic~Yfve kl Kiv nq bv| Avwg GB mgmv _K gyw PvB|
Di : GwUI Avgv`i GKUv gwjK mgmv| iZ Avgv`i Drmvni
Kvbv Afve nq bv| wK ci Avi Avgiv avivevwnKZv ivLZ cvwi
bv| GKw`b, `yBw`b, wZbw`bKvR Kivi ci Avevi Avjm mw nq|
wK eywgvb gvbyl KvR kl bv nIqv ch jM _vK| AZGe G
evcvi mPZb _vKeb| cqvRb wbRi Rb kvwi eev Kieb|
gbQwei mv_ GKvZZv evoveb| hZ gbQwei mv_ m _vKeb
ZZ avivevwnKZv iv Kiv mnR ne| Avi GKvB hw` Q` co hvq
Zvnj Avevi i Kib| wk hLb nuvUvi Pv Ki, m evi evi co
hvq| wK hZw`b ch m nuvUZ bv cvi, m evi evi DV `uvovq|
AvcwbI Zgwb evi evi i KiZ KiZB GwMq hveb|
ck : Kvbv GKUv j wi Ki hLb GZ i Kwi ZLb evi evi
wew nB| jPzZ nB| Kx Kiev?
296

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Di : GLvbB mdj Avi Amdj`i cv_K| hviv mdj Zviv KLbv

wekvm nvivq bv| Zviv KLbv jPzZ nq bv| eis kZ evav-wecwZI
Zviv AwePj _vK Zv`i j|
Kweii GKUv weLvZ KvebvU KP I `ehvbx| GUv h mgqi
Kvwnbx ZLb wfyeb `Lj wbq `eZv Avi Amyi`i ga jovB
PjwQjv| B`cyixZ wQjb `eZv`i cig c~Rbxq AvPvh enwZ|
Avi Amyi mvgvR wQjb vPvh hvi AvweZ gZmxebx gi Y
Amyiiv nq DVwQjv A`g| KviY G w`q gZK RxweZ Ki Zvjv
hZ| `eZviv enwZcy KPK Abyiva Kijv, m hvZ vPvhi
wklZ MnY Ki gZmxebxi we`v Avq Kivi Pv Pvjvq|
KP ivRx njv Ges Pj Mj AmyiivRi ivRavbxZ| vPvhi
Mn we`vwkv KiZ jvMjv Avi mB mgqi ixwZ Abyhvqx iMni
`bw`b KvR mvnvh KiZv| Kvjg m`vjvcx wePY eywgvb
PKm KP cwiYZ njv vPvhi AbZg wcq wkl|
Ze ay vPvh bq, Zvi Kbv `ehvbxi gbI Rq Ki wbjv KP|
KPi mygayi msMxZ Avi Ac~e wPKjvi cwZ `ehvbxi gyZv GKmgq
KPi cwZ fvjevmvq icvwiZ njv| KPi eenviI `ehvbxi cwZ
AbyiZv cKvk cZv| Ze Zv wQjv iKbvi cwZ KPi md
kvfwiB wb`kbhvK `ehvbx AbyivM fe fyj KiwQjv|
`ehvbx Acv KiwQjv KPi wkvRxeb Z_v ePh kl
nIqvi| wK mgmv njv, Amyiiv B`cyievmx KPi AmyiivR
AvMgbK fvjvfve bq wb| Zviv Avkv Kijv, KP nqZv
gZmxebx gi LuvR GLvb GmQ| ci ci wZbevi Zviv KPK
nZv Kijv| wK cwZeviB evevi gZmxebxi we`vi mnhvwMZvq
KPK euvwPq ZyjZv `ehvbx|
BZvga KPi we`vwkv mgv njv| vPvh wbwZ wQjb h,
KP `ehvbxK weq Ki AmyiivR _K hve| wK KP Rvbvjv h,
m B`cyixZ wdi hve| ii KvQ Gjv we`vqx Avkxev` bqvi
Rb| b `ehvbx Zv Awi| m KPK Zvi fvjevmvi K_v Rvbvjv
Ges weq KiZ PvBjv|
wK KP Zvi wmv AUjm wdi hveB| `ehvbx bvbvfve
evSvZ jvMjv, AveM w`q `yej KiZ PvBjv| wK wKQyZB wKQy
ce 2 \ mvdj

297

nQ bv `L klgk z nq DVjv| Awfkvc w`jv, h we`vi

Zi gvi Ki Aenjv, m we`v Zvgvi m~Y ne bv ek| wkLvBe
wK cvwie bv KwiZ cqvM| Zzwg ay fvi eq hve| A_vr GB
gZmxebx we`v AbK kLvZ cvijI KP wbR KLbv GUv eenvi
Ki KvDK RxweZ KiZ cvie bv|
wK GZ eo Awfkvc cqI KP GZUzKz `g Mj bv| m eis
`ehvbxK ejjv, Avwg ei w`by `ex Zzwg myLx ne| fyj hve mKj
M-vwb wecyj Mie| GfveB `ehvbxi fvjevmv Dcv Ki KP Pj
wMqwQjv B`cyixZ Zvi KZe cvjb|
A_vr Avcbvi j ARbi c_ h evavB AvmyK, h cjvfbB
AvmyKj AvcbvK AUj _vKZ ne| Avcbvi gbQwe _K
AvcbvK KD hb UjvZ bv cvi| Avcwb Avcbvi j cuQebB|

`y`kvi e
ck : eemvq GKB fyj evi evi Ki dwj, hv cvPzhi cwZeK|
ewMZ RxebI evi evi GKB fyj nq hvq|
Di : GUvB Avgv`i mePq eo `yfvM| K_vq ej, bvov GKeviB
ejZjvq hvq| wK Avgiv evi evi ejZjvq hvB| A_vr Avgiv GKB
fyj evi evi Kwi| GKRb mdj gvbyl h e_ nb bv, Zv bq| wK wZwb
Zvi cwZwU e_Zv _K kLb| e_Zv ZvK nZv`g bv Ki
bZzbfve, bZzb Kkj KvR Kivi Dxcbv hvMvq| Avi mvaviY gvbyl
fyj _K kL bv| GKB fyj evi evi Ki|
G wbq gnvfviZ ccvei GKwU NUbv AvQivR _K ewnZ
nq cvwjq eovQ Zviv| Ggb mgq eofvB hywawii Zv cjv|
QvUfvB Mj Zvi Rb cvwb AvbZ| AbK LuvRvLuywRi ci GKwU n`
`LZ cq h-B bv AuvRjv fi cvwb wbZ Mj, Agwb `eevYx
bjv, _vgv! cvwb bqvi AvM ZvgvK GKwU cki Reve w`Z ne|
Avi Reve w`Z bv cvij ZvgvK gZzeiY KiZ ne|
298

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

ckwU njvRxebi mePq eo mZ Kx? QvU fvB Reve w`Z

cvijv bv| mv_ mv_ gviv Mj| PZz_, ZZxq, wZxq fvBI GK GK
Gjv Ges Reve w`Z bv ci gZzgyL cwZZ njv| mekl Gjb
hywawi| Gm `Ljb n`i Zxi gZ Pvi fvBK| ZvKI GKB ck
Kiv njv| hywawi Reve w`jb, gvbyli Rxeb mePq iZc~Y mZ
njv, gvbyl KLbv fyj _K wkLZ Pvq bv| hywawii Reve mwVK
wQjv| `eevYx Gjv, Zzwg hv ejQv Zv wVK| AuvRjv fi cvwb wbq
Zvgvi fvB`i PvLgyL wQwUq `vI, Zviv Avevi cvY wdi cve|
A_vr mvaviY gvbyli `yfvMi cavb KviY njv, m fyj _K
kL bv| `wfw e`jvq bv| ^fve ev Kkji h wUi KviY m
evi evi e_ nQ, mjvK kvaivevi Kvbv D`vM Zvi _vK bv|
Ges m GKB fyj evi evi Ki|
hgb, `bw`b RxebI gvbyl GKB fyj Afvm, AvPiY, `wfwiB
cybivew Ki Ges mgmvq co| nqZv ^vgx-x ivMvivwM ev SMov
KiQ| j Kij `Lv hve, GB SMov-gbvgvwjb GKB Bmy wbq,
GKB cvUvb| GKRb Qv/ Qvx cixvq Lvivc KiQnqZv
AgbvhvMi KviY, mgq b Kivi KviY ev wekl Kvbv fyji
KviY| fvjv iRv KiZ PvBjI GB fyjjv m kvaivQ bv|
Avevi KD nqZv mgq gb Pj bv| Gi Rb AbK weeZKi
cwiwwZZ cojI h KviYjvi Rb Zvi `wi nq m KviYjv
m `~i KiQ bv| Ges evi evi mgqgZv KvR bv Kivi fvMvw
cvnvQ| KD nqZv cg coQ Ges bvbv Akvw fvMvwi ga
w`q mKUv fO hvQ| wK GB `yfvM _K m wkv wbQ bv|
wKQyw`b ciB m nqZv GKB aibi Qj ev gqi cvj-vq co GKB
iKgfve cZvwiZ nQ|
wK eywgvb gvbyl fyj _K kL Ges KvhKviY eySZ cvi h,
Kb GUv nQ? fyjjv wek-lY Ki mgmvK Zviv DrcvUb Ki g~j
_K| Avi Gi Rb gwWUkb njv mePq fvjv Dcvq|
gwWUkbi Mfxi ZbqZvq m Zvi fyj eySZ cvi, kvaivZ cvi|
eivZ cvi fyji e _K| ZvB Avcwb mPZb nvb| Avcbvi
e_ZvjvK wek-lY Kib| `Lyb, Kvb Kvb KviY mgmv nQ|
mUv wK Avcbvi AvPiY `wfw wmv Kgcv ev KgKkji Kvbv
ce 2 \ mvdj

299

fyji KviY? bv wK Ab wKQy| fyjjvK ai bZzb KgKkj, bZzb

`wfw MnY Kib| Avcwb mdjZvi gyL `Leb|
ck : eyK nvZ iL Avgiv KD Rvi Mjvq ejZ cviev bv h, GKB
NUbvq Avgiv evi evi fyj Kwi bv| Gi _K eivbvi c_ ej w`b,
Zvnj Avi fyj Kiev bv|
Di : Avgv`i gwjK wU nQ, Avgiv Afvm ev e`-Afvm
Af nq hvB, KbwWkbW nq hvB| cwZwU KvR Avgiv AfvmekZ
Kwi, mPZbfve Kwi bv| hLb Avgiv LvB, ZLb AfvmekZ LvB| h
AvPiY Kwi, Zv AfvmekZ Kwi|
KvRB, mPZb nebKx KiQb Zvi cwZ| GUvZ gbvhvM
`eb| Avcwb hLb Kvbv gwnjvi cksmv KiQb, mPZb nvb h, Kx
ejQb| hv ejQb Zv wK mwZ, AvM wK KLbv Ggb ejQb? hLbB
mPZb neb, GKUv SuvKzwb Lveb| hLb ivM KiQbGKevi fveyb,
GiKg KviY AvMI iMQb wK bv, GB ewi mv_B iMQb wK
bv| mPZb nIqvgv Avcwb fyji cybivew iva KiZ cvieb|
Avevi mvb cZKevi GKB fyj KiQ Avi Avcwb evi evi GKB
KviY ivM KiQb| GZ mvbi fyji cwigvY Aviv eo hvQ|
KviY m h AvPiY Gi AvMI KiQ, Avcwb Zvi cwZwqvq GKB
AvPiY KiQb| dj Zvi KvQ _KI cvQb GKB AvPiY| KvRB
Gevi ZvK GKUz Abfve ejb| `Leb, GKUz njI Zvi ga
cwieZb NUQ| m fvee, evev Zv GLb Abc_ wbqQ|
AZGe, cyibv fyj Kiv hve bv| GKB NUbvq Avcwb KLbv GKB
KvR Kieb bv| bZyb wKQy, wfb wKQy Kieb| ZvnjB `Leb, GKB
fyji cybivew Avi nQ bv| Avmj hviv fvMevb Zviv eywgvbi KvQ
_K RbB wkL dj| hv`i fvM GZ mycmb bq, Zv`i wkLZ
nq cwZwU avc nuvPU Lq Lq|
ck : Avwg GKB fyj GKevi `yevi bv, cuvPevi KiwQ| wK hZeviB
ewj Avi Kiev bvZZeviB Kwi Ges cwZeviB Kmg KU ewj, GB
klevi| Avgvi G fyj _K gyw cvIqvi Rb Kx Kiev?
300

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Di : Avmj AePZbfve Avgiv wkLZ PvB bv, wkLZ Rvwb bv|

AbK mgq A _vKvUvI Kviv Kviv Afvm icvwiZ nq| Rbi
ci cvwicvwkKZv _K hv Avgiv `LwQ, eySwQGi _K Avgv`i
ga h aviYv Mo DVQ, Avgv`i gw mB aviYvKB vb ej
gb Ki|
GKevi `vkwbK evUv ivmj GK AvjvPbv mfvq cw_ex h Mvj
Ges Zv h m~hi Pviw`K Nvi, m K_v ejwQjb| m Abyvb kvZv
wnme wQjb GK ev| AvjvPbvi ci wZwb evUv ivmjK cvKovI
Kijb| ejjb, hZwKQyB ej n QvKov, cw_ex em AvQ GKUv
KQci wcVi Ici| evUv ivmj ZLb nm wRm Kijb, Zv
eySjvg, wK KQcUv em AvQ wKmi Ici? evI nm ejjb,
RvbZvg Zzwg GUvB wRm Kie| kvbv, H KQcUvI em AvQ
AviKUv KQci Ici| Zvi wbP AviKUv, Zvi wbP AviKUv|
Gfve hZ bvgZ _vKe ZZ GKUvi ci GKUv KQcB cve| BUm&
UvUjm& Aj w` Iq| A_vr v aviYvi kLj _K wbR gyw cZ
bv PvBj Ab KD gyw w`Z cvi bv|
A_vr jvwbs nvD Uy jvbwkLZ ne Kxfve, mwU RvbZ ne|
Avcbvi Kmg KvUvi evcviwUI Mvwjei mB KweZvi gZvhZevi
Kmg KvwU h, Zvgvi K_v fyj hvev ZZevi Aviv ewk Ki gb
co| KvRB gyL gyL Kmg KU Kvbv jvf bB| Kmg KvUZ nq
fZi _K| wbRi fZi _K hw` Abyf~wZ Avm h, GUv fyj, GUv
Abvq, GUv Avgvi Kiv DwPZ bq, ZLbB Avcwb G fyj _K ewiq
AvmZ cvieb|
Avi GRb cqvRb ckv nIqv| G wbq nhiZ evnvDwbi
GKwU M AvQ| GKevi wZwb gywi``i wbq em AvQb| Ggb mgq
GKwU QvU cvwL H Nii fZi XyK MjAvi eivZ cviQ bv|
GKevi G `qvj avv LvQ Zv Avevi I `qvj| Gi ga cvwLUvK
mvnvh Kivi Rb GKRb gywi` DVZ hvwQjb, mv_ mv_ nhiZ
evnvDwb ZvK ejjbZzwg em| ZvgvK wKQy KiZ ne bv| wkliv
GKUz AevK njb| cvwLUv QUdU KiZ KiZ GKmgq Rvbvjvi cvk
wMq emjv, nuvcvZ jvMjv| h-B GKUz wi njv Agwb evnvDwb
GKUv nvZZvwj w`jb| PgK DV cvwLUv ewiq Mj Rvbvjv w`q|
ce 2 \ mvdj

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evnvDwb ZLb ejjb`L, hLb cvwLUv QUdU KiwQjv, IovDwo

KiwQjv, Zzwg hZ wKQy evSvZ PvBZ, m eySZv bv| hLb m kv
njv, bxie njv ZLb Avgvi nvZZvwjZ m PgK DVjv wVKB; wK
PgK DVB m bZzb mZ Dcjw Kijv h, ivv GBw`K Ges m
ewiq Mj|
KvRB gy nZ nj, e fO eivZ nj AvM wi nZ ne,
ckv nZ ne| bBj eivbvi c_ LyuR cveb bv| meKUv Rvbvjv
Lvjv _vKjI Avcwb eivZ cvieb bv, hw` Avcwb Rvbvjv bv
`Lb, Rvbvjv Kv_vq Zv bv Rvbb| Avcwb wbqwgZ gwWUkb Kib|
KvqvUvqb Kib| Avkv Kiv hvq, Avcwb mydj cveb|
ck : mdjZvi Rb AekB e fvOZ ne, Mw civZ ne|
welqUv evLv Kij DcKZ nev|
Di : mdj Avi e_ gvbyli cv_K Kv_vq? e_ gvbyl memgq Zvi
Pbv c_ PjZ Pvq| m KLbv APbv c_ AMmi nq bv| m XvKv
hZ Pvq Avevi LyjbvI QvoZ Pvq bv| hvi dj Lyjbvq _vKvI nq bv,
XvKvqI hvIqv nq bv| A_vr Avgiv mvdj PvB| wK h AvRbjvwjZ
Afvmi P co evi evi e_ nB, mB P _K ewiq AvmZ PvB
bv| ^fvei Mw _K ewiq AvmZ PvB bv|
jvwjZ Afvmi e, ^fvei MwK wbRiv eq eovB| G cm
GKwU my`i Dcgv iqQ Dcwbl`| mLvb ejv nqQ, gvbyl nQ
gvKomvi gZv| gvKomvi Rvj _vK Zvi bvwfZ| gyL w`q m Rvj
evb| hLb m Ab Kv_vI hZ Pvq ZLb RvjUvK bvwfi fZi
wUq bq| bZzb RvqMvq wMq GKBfve Rvj evb| mLvb _K
Ab Kv_vI hvIqvi mgq Avevi RvjUvK Zvi bvwfi fZi wUq
bq| AvgivI Zgwb Avgv`i RvjK wbR`i mv_ eq eovB|
Avi mdj gvbyl memgq bZzb c_ PjZ Pvq, bZzb cwigj mw
Ki, APbv c_ hvq| v AvPiY-AfvmK `~i Ki gy AvPiYAfvm mw Ki| ZvB m mdj nZ cvi|
mvaviY gvbyl eK wPwZ KiZ cvi bv, m GUvK mij c_B
gb Ki| hgb aib, Avcwb nqZv evi evi PvKwiRxeb nZvk nq
302

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

coQb, KviY Avcbvi mnKgxiv AvcbvK Clv KiQ| Avcwb gb

KiQbGZ Avcbvi wKQy Kivi bB, KviY ClvKvix Zv Avcwb bb,
Zviv| GLvb Avcbvi e nQ, GB Clvi gyL cv-GKwUf bv _K
cfvweZ nq cov| GUv hLb eySZ cvieb ZLb `Leb z ev K
bv cq Avcwb ^vfvweK _vKZ cviQb| KviY PvKwi GiKg
ClvKvZi `yGKRb mnKgx memgqB _vK| AZGe e fvOvi Rb
c_g cqvRb eK wPwZ Kiv|
Gici wekvm KiZ neAvcwb eK fvOZ cvieb| mvnm Ki
ejZ ne h, e fvOvi kw mv AvgvK w`qQb| AvgvK h gav
I hvMZv `qv nqQ Zv Abb| Avwg e fvOZ cviev| Avi ahi
mv_ jM _vKZ ne|
e fvOZ bv cvivi AviKwU KviY njv fq| Avgiv Avgv`i Pbv
cwigji evBi hZ fq cvB| AePZbfve cyibv e_Zvi e
NyicvK LZB wbivc` eva Kwi| fqi ga GKwU cavb evav nQ
jvKfq, A_vr K Kx eje| cvQ jvK wKQy ej fq _K Avcwb
hZ eivZ cvieb ZZ h kKj AvcbvK Avc Rwoq iLQ
mB kKjK wQb KiZ cvieb|
A_vr e fvOvi Rb cqvRb mvnm| mvnm Ges wekvm Avevi
Avwfve RwoZ| GKRb wekvmx gvbylB mvnmx nZ cvi| hLb
Avcwb wekvmx neb, Avcwb mvnmx neb| Avi G mewKQyi RbB
cqvRb wbqwgZ `yejv gwWUkb|
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AmsL QvU QvU e Ave Ges Gi ^vfvweK djvdj njvPig
e_Zv| wK GZ e AvBWbwUdvB KiwQGLb Kvb e AvM
fvOev? GKKevi GKKUv iZc~Y gb nq, wekLjv mw nq| e
fvOvi GB wekLjv Kxfve `~i Kiev ev GB e Kxfve fvOev?
Di : h ewU fvOv mePq mnR, AvM mwU fvOyb| GKwU e fvOj
Avcbvi ga h wekvmi mw ne Zv Ab ewj fvOZ mvnvh
Kie| KviY, v ejv memgq GKUv AviKUvi mv_ RU cvwKq
_vK| GKUv GKUv KiB mjvK QvovZ nq|
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FYi cwiYwZ Avwg Lye fvjvfve Abyfe KiwQ| Avgvi gb nq
meviB G mZK nIqv DwPZ|
Di : Avmj Avcwb eywgvb h, AbK `L mZK nqQb| Avgiv
AwaKvskB wK G RvqMvZ fyj Kwi| fvwe, Ii wZ nqQ ZvZ Kx,
Avwg wVKB mvgj bev! GB Ki Ki Avgiv FYi duv` cv w`q
dwj| Avi GB FY h KZ KiY cwiYwZ wbq Avm mUvi GK M
gyx cgPuv`i GKgyVv Mg|
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mvZcuvP bB| RvbZv bv Kvbv cZviYv-PvjvwK| cj Avnvi
KiZv, bBj AvacU LqB kv _vKZv| Ni Kvbv `vbvcvwb bv
_vKj ay cvwb LqB D`ic~wZ Ki Nywgq coZv| GKevi ksKii
evwoZ GK AwZw_ Gjv, ivwhvcb Kie| Zv-I Avevi KxiKg
AwZw_gv_vq j^v RUv, Mvq Miqv cvkvK, nvZ wcZji e`bv,
cvq Log, PvL Pkgvwekvj`nx GK mvayevev| `L Hme
gnvZv`i K_v gb co hviv weevb`i cvmv` em Zcmv Kib,
`vwg kKU Po cyYvb cwi`kb hvb Avi hvMwmwi Rb cywKi
Avnvi Af| GiKg AwZw_K Zv Avi hei AvUv LvIqvbv hvq bv|
Zvi Rb Mgi AvUv `iKvi|
wK ksKi Mgi AvUv cve Kv_vq? `o Mj Mvgi cyivwnZi
KvQ| Zvi KvQ _K mvqv-mi Mg avi wbq Gjv| ksKii x m
Mg wcl Lvevi evbvjv| gnvZv mvay Avnvii ci Nywgq cojb,
mKvj ksKiK cvYfi Avkxev` Ki Pj Mjb|
AvMKvi w`b Bgvg mvne ev VvKzi/ cyivwnZ dmji gmyg mevi
evwoZ evwoZ hZb| Mvgi jvKRb ZvK dmj _K Zvjv
w`Zv| ksKi Zv mv`vwma Mwie gvbyl| c_v Abymvi m hLb dmj
304

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_K Zvjv w`jv ZLb Zvi m mvqv mi cwigvY aviUzKzI wgwjq

w`jv| w`q Zv m wbw| Gw`K VvKziI G wbq Avi wKQy ejQb
bv| AZGe ksKi wbw nq em AvQ| Gi ga mvZ eQi cvi nq
MQ| ksKii cwieviI wKQy wechq GmQ| fvBqi m GKvbeZx
cwievi fO `yfvM njv| fvMvfvwM Kivi dj `yRb GKUv Ki ej`
Ges cuvP weNv Ki Rwg cjv| GK ej` w`q Zv Avi Rwg Pvl Kiv
hvq bv| dj h wQjv KlK m nq Mj f~wgkwgK|
GKw`b mvq H VvKzi ksKiK c_ AvUKvjv| ejjv h, Kvj
GKevi Gmv| Zvgvi Mgi `bv cwikvai wbw KiZ ne|
Zvgvi KvQ Avgvi mvo cuvP gY Mg cvIbv iqQ| A_P Zzwg G
evcvi gvUB mRvM nI wb| ksKi Zv AevKKe Avcbvi KvQ Mg
avi KiwQ? VvKzi ZvK mvZ eQi AvM avi bqv mvqv mi Mgi K_v
iY Kwiq w`jv|
ksKi nZf^ nq cojv| m VvKziK `q evwlK Zvjv wbqwgZ
kva KiQ| c~RvcveY Drme fvMMYbvKvj me`v wKQy bv wKQy
Dcnvi w`qQ| A_P VvKzi GLb Gme Kx ejQb! ksKi evSvbvi
Pv Kijvavi bqv Mgi ewkifvMUv m c_g myhvMB kva
KiQ| Avi evwKUv GKUz GKUz Ki cwZeQiB m w`q w`qQ|
VvKzi Reve w`jv, Dcnvi GK wRwbm Avi wnmve AviK wRwbm|
mvqv mii RvqMvq 25 mi `vImUv Dcnvi| wK wnmve H mvqv
mi| wnmve AbymviB Zv eo mvo cuvP gY nqQ| Zzwg hKvbv
jvKK wbq AvmZ cviv| m ZvgvK wnme Kl eywSq `e| Mg
diZ w`j bvg KU `ev, bBj wnme Pew nvi evoZ _vKe|
weq-nZvkvq-`yfvebvq ksKi w`knviv nq cojv| VvKzi ZvK
biKi fq `Lvjv| mij gvbyl ksKi, GB Rxeb GZ K cqQ,
cii Rxeb hvZ Avi K KiZ bv nq mRb ejjv, VvKzi! GLb
Avgvi KvQ `qvi gZv wKQy bB| Kviv KvQ aviKR Ki bv nq
Avcbvi cvIbv kva Ki `ev|
mvZ eQi KU MQ| GLb Avi VvKzi GKw`bi RbI Acv
KiZ ivwR bq| ejjv, hw` Mg diZ w`Z bv cviv Zvnj FY
^xKvi Ki `wjj wjL `vI| ksKiK Zv-B gb wbZ njv|
`wjj jLv njv| Mgi eZgvb evRvi `i wnme FYi cwigvY
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njv h, GK eQii ga FY kva KiZ bv cvij my`i nvi kZKiv
mvo wZb fvM DbxZ ne| `wjj iwRw Ges v eve` eq GK
UvKv AvU Avbv ksKiKB enb KiZ ne|
cieZx GKeQi Lq bv Lq wZj wZj Ki ksKi Rgvjv
Z_vKw_Z cvIbvi Avmj eve` 60wU UvKv| wK ZvZI cyivwnZi gb
fijv bv| ejjv, Avmj Zv w`Qv, wK Gi h my` nqQ 15 UvKv,
mUv K `e wb? wK H gyn~Z my`i UvKv `qvi mvg_ ksKii
wQjv bv| m ejjv, `wL, avi`bv Ki w`Z cvwi wK bv| wK Zvi
gZv PvjPzjvnxbK avi K `e? my`i UvKv Avi `qv njv bv|
Gw`K Gme KviY ksKi gvbwmKfve fO cojv| AvM KvR
h D`g wQjv Zv nvwiq Mj| ZvgvK LvIqvi Afvm wQjv Zvi|
GLb gv`KI wbZ i Kijv| FYkva wbq GLb Avi m wPwZ bq|
hb Zvi GK cqmvI `bv bvB| GKmgq h ksKi Ri wbqI KvR
KiQ, GLb GKUzZB KvR bv hvIqvi evnvbv LuvR m|
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UvKvi IciI my` nQ| ksKi ejjv, VvKzi! GLb Avgvi KvQ GKwU
cqmvI bB| wKQyB w`Z cviev bv|
VvKzi ejjv, Zvnj Avgvi gRyi wnme KvR Ki| webv cvwikwgK
Avgvi Z KvR Ki ZvgvK my`i UvKv Dmyj KiZ ne| Avi
Avmj `bv kva Kie Ab KvR Ki| RvgvbZ Qvov GB weivU
Ai cvIbv nvivbvi SzuwK Avwg wbZ cviev bv|
ksKi ejjv, Avwg hw` Avcbvi RwgZ webv cvwikwgK KvR Kwi
Zvnj Lvev Kxfve? Avgvi x-cy-KbvivB ev Kx Lve? VvKzi ejjv,
Avwg ZvgvK mKvj Avavmi evwj `ev, cibi Rvgv `ev, Avi
Mvq `qvi Rb K^j `ev| Avi Kx PvI Zzwg?
ksKi ejjv, G Zv AvRxeb Mvjvwgi mgZ~j| VvKzi ejjv,
GUvK Zzwg PvKwi, Mvjvwg hv Lywk ejZ cviv| wK Avgvi `bv kva
bv Ki Zzwg Kv_vI hZ cvie bv| Zzwg cvjvj Zvgvi QjK ai
Avbev| m cvjvj Zvi QjK ai Avbev|
Mi DcmsnviUv GiKgksKi Avi euP bB| 20 eQi AvM
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aivi gvqv ZvM Ki m cicvi Pj MQ| wK 120 UvKv FYi

evSv _K GLbv gyw cvq wb| cyivwnZ VvKzi Aek GZ wbzi bb|
cvQ FYi `vq Mwie ePvivK biK K cvnvZ nq, ZvB ZvK
wZwb gyw w`qQb| wewbgq ksKii m` hyeK nq IVv QjwU GLb
Zvi evwoZ eMvi LvU| GKgv fMevbB RvbbKe m evevi `vq
_K gyw cve|
Avmj GUvB njv eveZv| GKRb gvbyl, GKUv GbwRI ev evsK
Kb FY `e AvcbvK? AvcbvK ^vej^x Kivi Rb? Kbv bv| m
FY `e KviY, GB UvKv _K cwZgvm m gybvdv Pvq| Avcwb hw`
FY kva Ki djZ cvib, Zvi gybvdv Zv kl nq Mj| ZvB m
memgq AvcbvK FY RRwiZ Ki ivLe|
AvRKvj evsKjv Kx KiQ? KZ iKg K_vAvcbvi ^ci evwo
Avcbvi nq hZ cviLvwj AgyK evsK _K GKUv jvb wbjB
njv! Mvwoi FY kl nZ bv nZ evwoi FY w`q `e| hvZ memgq
FY RRwiZ _vKb Avi evsK mB UvKvi Ici gybvdv KiZ cvi|
Gme FY hviv-B bq, kva w`Z w`Z Zv`i Aev Lvivc nq hvq|
Mvavi gZv cwikg Ki, wK memgq FY RRwiZB _vK| AbKB
nZvkv I AvZ mn KiZ bv ci eQ bq AvZnbbi c_| Pvlx
ksKii fviZ eZgvb KlK`i Aev Gi Pq wfb wKQy bq|
wc mvBbv_i GKwU cwZe`b DV Avm ZviB wevwiZ| jLvwUi
wkivbvg wQjvfviZ : BwZnvmi eng KlK-AvZnZv| GZ ejv
nq, 1997 _K 2007 mvj Aewa fviZ KlK`i AvZnZvi msLv
`uvwoqQ GK jvL 82 nvRvi 936| Gi wZb fvMi `yB fvMB NUQ
cuvPwU ivR : gnviv, KYvUK, Ac`k, gac`k I QwkMo|
Abvb ivRI evoQ KlK`i AvZnZvi nvi| Lqvj Kivi welq, h
mgq fviZ KlK RbMvxi msLv Kg hvQ, mB mgq Zv`i ga
AvZnZvi nviI evoQ| 1991-2001-Gi ga cvq 80 jvL KlK
Pvlvev` Qo Ab ckvq Pj MQ|
AvZnZvi GB cwimsLvb mieivn KiQ miKvwi cwZvb bvkbvj
vBg iKW eyiv (GbwmAviwe)| Zviv nqZv Kvbv KviPzwc Ki wb|
wK ivR chvq hLvb GB Z_jv Rgv nq, mLvb nvRvi nvRvi
AvZnZvKvixK KlK msv _K ev` w`q msLvwU Kwgq `Lvbv
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nq| hgb, wKlvwb`i AvZnZvK Gi ga aiv nq wb| GiKg Aviv

AbKKB KlK AvZnZvi ZvwjKv _K ev` `qv nqQ| BwZnvm
mevwaK AvZnZvi GB NUbvjv hLb NUQ, wVK GKBmgq fviZ be
D`vibwZK `ywbqvq cek KiQ| gyevRvi I A_bxwZi D`vixKiYi
dj mePq wZM nqQ Kwl| weklZ 2001-Gi ci AvZnZvi
nvi AbK eo MQ| fviZ GLb cwZ AvaNvq GKRb KlK ev
wKlvwb AvZnZv KiQ|
hviv GB c_ eQ wbqQ Zv`i ga wKQy wgj j Kiv hvq| Zvi
ga GKwU njv, Giv Mfxifve FY wbgwZ wQjv| be D`vibwZK
bxwZgvjv MnYi c_g `kK FYMnxZv KlK cwievii nvi 26 kZvsk
_K eo 48.6 kZvsk nqQ| Kvbv Kvbv ivR FYMnxZvi
msLv Aviv ewk| hgb, Ac`k 82 kZvsk KlK cwieviB
FYM| Avi Gi djUv eySZ cvieb bvkbvj mvkvj Kvqvwjkbi
GB Rwic2001-06 mvji ga fviZi wewfb Aji 11 nvRvi
387 Rb KlK AvZnZv KiQ, hvi KviY KwlFY cwikva e_Zv|
Kvqvwjkb Rvbvq, fviZ aygv FYi `vq cwZeQi AvZnZv Kib
GK nvRviiI ewk KlK| Gi ga `wYvji KYvUK ivRi
Aev fqven, Qq eQi ay GB ivRB AvZnZv KiQ cuvP nvRvi
980 Rb KlK| GQvov gnviv `yB nvRvi 280 Rb Ges Ac`k
GK nvRvi 126 Rb|
AvZnZvKvix`i ga wZxq wgj njv, Zviv mevB Zzjv Kwd gwiP
AvL BZvw` A_Kix dmj Drcv`b KiZv| wK AvM Zviv Lv`km
hgb, avb Mg fyv I hei Avev` KiZv| be D`vibwZK A_bxwZZ
ZZxq weki KvwU KvwU KlKK Lv`km Drcv`bi Pq A_Kix
dmj Drcv`b civwPZ Kiv nq| Gi g~jg njv ivwbgyLx A_bxwZ|
A_Kix dmj Drcv`bi LiP AbK ewk| ewk cvwb I mvi cqvRb
ej KlKK AbK ewk FY wbZ nq| G mei Ici wbqY iqQ
wUKq eRvwZK Kvvwbi| Abw`K wekevRvi g~j IVvbvgvi
KviYI Zviv wZM nq|
A_Kix dmj Drcv`b Kxfve KlKi wZ Ki, Zv evSvi Rb
Kivjv ivRi GKwU D`vniY `qv hvK| eZgvb GK GKi RwgZ
avb Pvl LiP nq AvU nvRvi iwc| wK Zv`i AbKB hLb fvwbjv
308

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Pvl KiZ Mj ZLb Zvi GKi cwZ LiP njv 15 nvRvi iwc|
`vbexq Kvvwbjv GLb Zv`i mv nvBweW exR A_ev `wk
RvZi exR mwiq mLvb `vwg exR Pvjy KiQ| Gme Kiv nQ
mivmwi ivxq g``| *gbmvUvi Rvj AvUKv Kvbv KlKK GLb
Zzjvi exR wKbZ KbvZxZ LiP KiZ nq| [*gbmvUvAvgwiKvwfwK
weki eng KwlexR I chyw Drcv`bKvix eRvwZK Kcvikb]

1991 mvj GK KwR Zzjvi exR wKbZ jvMZv mvZ _K bq

iwc| Avi 2006 mvj eRvwZK Kvvwbi evRviRvZKZ 450 Mvgi
GK cvKU exRi `vg eo `uvovq 350 iwc| gbmvUvi fviZxq
kwiK Kvvwbi evRviRvZ Kiv 450 Mvgi cvKUi `vg GLb
1650-1800 iwc| hw`I miKvwi nc Gi `vg `uvwoqQ 900
iwc| mUvI AvMi `vgi _K KqKk Y ewk|
MZ GK `kK Gwkqvi D`xqgvb evN `kjvZ elgB nq
`uvwoqQ cavbZg gvbylLKv| Gi ga Mvgvj AvMvmx
evwYwRKvqb KlK I f~wgnxb gRyii RxebaviYi me Dcvq Ko
wbqQ| Zv`i wPwKrmveq eY eo MQ| mvb`i eo AskB
we`vjqjv _K Si coQ| Zviv wMq KvR KiQ evevi Lvgvi|
Lv` Kbvi cQbB Pj hvQ Zv`i Avqi eo Ask| fviZi KvwU
KvwU KlKB GLb mLvbKvi Lv`evRvii cavb Zv| A_P AvM
Gi eo AskUvB Zviv wbRiv Drcv`b KiZv|
wekevcx Lv`i `vg eo hvIqv Zv`i Aviv wbt^ Ki w`Q|
Lv` Drcv`Kiv wbRivB AvR zavi mePq eo wkKvi| fviZi
cLvZ Kwl A_bxwZwe` Drmv cvUbvqK `wLqQb, 10 eQi AvMi
Zzjbvq GLb GKwU KlK cwievi 100 KwR Kg Lvevi cvq| Abw`K
Lv`i evRviI Kcvikbjvi GKPwUqv AvwacZ Kvqg nqQ|
Zviv Zv`i BQvbyhvqx g~j wVK Ki| cvvZi `kjvi wecyj
fZzwKcv mv KwlcYi m Amg cwZhvwMZvq Avgv`i KlKi
fZzwKnxb km wUKZ cvi bv| GLvbI evRvi Zvi m cZviYv
KiQ| Kg my` FY`vbKvix evsKjv e nq hvQ| mLvb XyK
coQ z`FYi evcvixiv| miKviI KwlK wUwKq ivLvi Rb AvM
h fZzwK w`Zv Zv Zzj wbqQ| G mewKQy wgj QvU KlKi
RxebaviY w`bK w`b Ame nq DVQ| dj 90-Gi ci cwZwU bZzb
ce 2 \ mvdj

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eQi KlK`i AvZnZvi nvi eoB hvQ| fviZi G Kwl msKUK

PviwU k ejv hvqKcviU Kwli w`K hvv| Gi c_ njv :
Mvgvji GKUvbv AvMvmx evwYwRKvqb Ges Gi dj njv : BwZnvmi
eng KlK DQ`| GB Kcvikbjv GLbv Avgv`i KwlRwg ev
Kwli LuywUbvwU me welq mivmwi wbqY Ki bv| wK Kwl hmei Ici
wbfikxj hgbevRviRvZKiY, `vg wbaviY, cvwb cvw, mvi, exR,
KxUbvkK cfwZ Zv`iB wbqY| Gmei wgwjZ dj njv, BwZnvmi
eng AvZnZvi Xj| [Icb Wgvwm _K dviK Iqvwmd
Ab~w`Z] G KiY cwiYwZ _K iv cZ ZvB FY _K `~i _vKzb|

z`FY
ck : gvBvwWU cwZvbjvK Avgv`i Kxfve `Lv DwPZ? GB
RvZxq eemvq Rovbvi welq Avcbvi gZvgZ Kx?
Di : Avmj gvBvwWU cwZvbjv _K `wi`iv KZLvwb
DcKZ nQ Zv ckmvc| gvBvwWU eevi mv_ Nwbfve
mswk- AbKB cieZxZ GB aviYvq cuQQb h, FYkvai Rb
MnxZv`i h kvixwiK gvbwmK I cvwievwiK fvMvwi myLxb nZ nq
Zvi Zzjbvq Gi Avw_K mydj bnvqZB bMY|
31 RyjvB 2007-G `wbK fvii WvKi Lei : 319 UvKvi Rb
GKgvm ai Rj| GZ ejv nQh `k nvRvi nvRvi KvwU UvKv
gi w`q GLbv AbK bZv-Avgjv eyK dzwjq K_v ej, `fi
Pjvdiv Ki m `k gv 319 UvKv FYkva KiZ bv cvivq GKRb
Mwie KlK Rj LvUQb GKgvm ai| fveZ K nq| PKvwiqv
DcRjvq G NUbv NUQ| Mwie KlK AvRg Lvb| Kv Uv bvg
GKwU GbwRI-i gv 319 UvKv FY cwikva e_ nq GKwU gvgjvq
MdZvi nb| GKB msvi 2,305 UvKv cwikva e_ nq Rj
LvUQb AviK KlK ejvj Dxb| eZgvb FYfq AbK MvgQvov|
c_g Avjvi GKUv Leii wkivbvgivRkvnxZ wbwei
weevnweQ`i cQb AvQ z`FY| GZ ejv nQ, ivRkvnxZ `yUv
KviY weevnweQ` nQ| GKwU ^vgxi gv`Kvmw, GUv mgvRi me
310

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Aski Rb chvR| wZxqwU z`FYi UvKv cwikva KiZ bv cviv|

GUv ay wbwe cwievii NUQ| gqiv hnZz FY cvq, ^vgxiv
xK w`q FY bIqvq Ges LiP Ki| Gici mB xK cwiZvM Ki
bZyb x MnY Ki|
Avmj RvgvbZ Qvov h FY `qv nq Zv Dvi Kiv nq Kxfve?
cUzqvLvjxi GK m`m FYi wKw w`Z cvi wb ej MvgxY evsKi
Kgxiv Zvi cv fO w`qQ| wmvBi MvgxY evsKi Kgxiv UvKv bv
cq Kviv Mi wbq MQ, Kviv bvjK wbq MQ| iscyi wKwi
UvKv cwikva e_ nq GK m`m AvZnZv KiQ| FY wbq G`i
Aev nQ, Kvbv wPivqx e`ve cvIqv Rwg`vii RwgZ cU
fvZ KvR Ki Zvi wewbgq cyiv dmjUv Rwg`vii Mvjvq Zzj
`qv| Rwg`vii eiK`vRiv LyeB Kov gbvfvei| LvRbv bv w`q
Dcvq bB Ges gnvRbx FYi mv_ GB FYi Kvbv ZdvZ bB|
MvgxY evsKi mveK KgKZv mi`vi Avwgb Zvi MvgxY evsK I
W. BDb~m : GKRb cZ`kxi `wZ eBq wjLQb, GKUv mgq
Gm Z_vKw_Z abx nq IVv GB `wi`iv FYi UvKvq q Ki
Uwjwfkb, mvBKj, eenvh bvbv DcKiY Avi weqevwoZ `vIqvZ
wMq Dcnvi `q ek `vwg KvbvwKQy| AbKUv RvZ IVvi gbvevv
c~iY KiZ hvZvqvZ I LvIqv`vIqvq LiP Ki ewnmex| Avmj
welqUv hb GgbKZ hyM ewZ _KwQ, me cywlq bev|
MvgxY evsKi FYMnxZvi msLv Ki eo 90 `kKi kl
22 j cwievi nqQ| gvm `o _K `yBk KvwU UvKv FY weZiY
nQinmUv Kx? 14 ev 15% my` UvKv wbq KZ eemvqx, wgj gvwjK
my`i fvi c_ em AvQ| Avi wb`bc 26.50% my` UvKv LvwUq
Mwie gvbyl w`b w`b Pvv nQ Kxfve?
KvRB z`FY _K hZ `~i _vKeb ZZ fvjv| `wi` AvQb,
LZ cviQb bvGUv GKUv K| Avi jvb wbqQb ej mKvj-weKvj
cvIbv`viiv evwo Gm nvbv w`Q, wRwbmc wbq hvQ, jvKRb Rov
Ki Mvwj w`QGUv AviKiKg|
Avi z`FY bqv nQ KovB _K Pzjvq Suvc `qv| FYi Rvj
GKevi Rwoq coj FY I my`P AvcbvK me^v Ki Qvoe| G
evcvi Lye mZK _vKZ ne|
ce 2 \ mvdj

311

ck : Avgv`i `ki Mwie gvbyl, hv`i RvgvbZ `qvi gZv wKQyB

bB Zv`i ^vaxb RxweKvi Rb zz`FYB wK GKgv c_ bv? Gme
jvK`i Zv AvM KD FY `q wb| hw` z`FY GZB Lvivc nq,
Zvnj G`i fvM Kxfve cwieZb ne?
Di : zz`FY wK AvmjB Avgv`i fvM cwieZb KiQ? GbwRI
eyiv cwZwZ nIqvi ci MZ 20 eQi Avgv`i `k 16 nvRvi mvZk
43wU cK gvU h FY GmQ Zvi cwigvY wZb j mvZ nvRvi 260
KvwU UvKv| A_vr Avgv`i `yB eQii evRUi Pq ewk| GUv nQ
`wbK hyMvii 5 RyjvB, 2010-Gi wicvU| Ges Pvi KvwU jvK GB
z`FYi AvIZvq iqQ|
AvIZvq _vKvi ci Kx Aev nqQ? hLvb 1995 mvj miKvwi
wnme `vwi`mxgvi wbP wQjv 23 kZvsk gvbyl, mLvb 2005 mvj
GB msLv nQ 48 kZvsk| G K_vUvB wKQyw`b AvM A_bxwZwe`
AavcK Avby gynv` ejjb h, zz`FYi dj `vwi`i cwigvY
eoQ Avi GB FY hviv weZiY Ki Zv`i D`ixwZ NUQ| KviY
hLvb Kvbv Kgvwkqvj evsK UvKv ivLj evsK AvcbvK mvZ/ AvU
kZvsk wiUvb `q, mLvb z`FY my`i cwigvY nQ 23 _K 40
kZvsk ch!
Avmj cvvZ `kjv Kx Ki? Zv`i wew Kivi gZv wRwbmI
AvQ, Avevi UvKvI AvQ| wK Avcbvi KvQ UvKv bvB| wRwbm hw`
Avcbvi KvQ wew KiZ bv cvi Zvnj Zv Zv`i A_bxwZ mPj
_vKe bv| GRb Zv`i Ajm UvKv Zviv Mwie `k Bbf Ki|
Avmj evBi _K hZ FY AvmQmUv MvgxY evsKi nvK ev
AvBGgGd-GimUv KLbvB Avgv`i mvnvh Kivi Rb bv, eis
Zv`i A_bxwZK Pvv Kivi Rb| KviY h A_ Zviv w`Q mUv
Avevi eY ewaZ nq Zv`i ILvbB Pj hvQ|
GLb Avwm Avgv`i `ki gvbyli K_vq| Avgv`i gZv Mwie
`khLvb RvgvbZ `qvi gZv AevI bBmLvb gvbyli fvM
cwieZbi mePq KvhKi gvag nQ hvKvZ| hvKvZi GB
A_bwZK iZi KviYB Avj-vn hvKvZK diR KiQb Ges
ivxqfve hvKvZ Av`vqi wb`k w`qQb|
312

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Avmj hvKvZi wmgUv Kx? A_bxwZK MwZkxj ivLvi Rb

UvKvUv `k gyf KiQ| GKRb abxi abx _vKvi Rb hvKvZ `qv
`iKvi, KviY A_bxwZ MwZkxj bv _vKj Zvi ab _vKe bv| e`wkK
mvnvh Ges hvKvZi ga cv_KUv GLvbB h, hvKvZ GKRb gvbylK
^vej^x Ki `ki A_bxwZK MwZkxj Ki Avi e`wkK mvnvh
GKRb gvbylK FYx Ki `ki A_bxwZK `yej Ki `q|
G aviYv _KB wK Avgiv hvKvZ dv KiwQ| Avi Avgv`i h
^-wbfivqb cK, mUv GB hvKvZi A_ w`qB PjQ| GB dv
_K AbKK Avgiv BZvgaB ^vej^x KiZ ciwQ| KviY Avgiv
KLbv PvB bvGKRb gvbyl mvivRxeb Abi UvKvq fi Ki PjyK|
Avgiv PvBm KvR KiK Ges AvMvgx eQi wbR hvKvZ `qvi gZv
mg_ nvK|
Gevi AvcbvK GKUv cwimsLvb `B h, Kxfve Avgv`i fvM
cwieZb me| eZgvb evsjv`ki A_bxwZ nQ cw_exi 48 Zg enr
A_bxwZ| hLvb 20 eQi AvM Avgv`i Pq Mwie iv wQjv ay
fyUvb ev bcvj, mLvb wK Avgiv GLb weki 48 Zg A_bwZK
`k Ges Avgv`i wRwWwc nQ 225 wewjqb Wjvi A_vr 15 j 75
nvRvi KvwU UvKv|
GLb Avgv`i Mv_ iU 5% Ges wnme Ki `Lv MQ h, GUv
hw` 7%-G Pj hvq Zvnj 2025 mvj evsjv`k weki 22Zg
BKvbwgK cvIqvi icvwiZ ne| GUvK hw` Avgiv 10%-G wbq
hZ cvwi Zvnj Avgiv Aviv GwMq hvev; Avi 10%-G bqvUv Ggb
Kvbv KwVb wKQy bq| gvjqwkqvi Mv_ iU njv 12%|
G wbqI gRvi NUbv AvQ| Kzqvjvjvgcyi GK mjb cwmWU
wKbUb fvlY w`wQjb| Zvi eei DcRxe wQjv Dbqbkxj
`kjvi Mv_ iU Kxfve evovbv hvq| AbKY fvlY w`jb
Gwkqvb `kjvK GB KiZ ne, mB KiZ ne| Gici `uvovjb
gvnvw_i gvnv`, wZwb ZLb gvjqwkqvi cavbgx| wZwb ejjb,
Avgv`i `yfvM h, Avgiv Gwkqvi `k| GRb Ggb `ki
cwmWUi KvQ _K Avgv`i civgk wbZ nQ hv`i Mv_ iU
nQ 4%, hLvb Avgv`i Mv_ iU 12%!
KvRB Mv_ iU evovbvUv Ggb Ame wKQy bv| GLb Avgv`i
ce 2 \ mvdj

313

evwlK hvKvZ 25 nvRvi KvwU UvKvi Ici nq| Avgiv hw` 100 KvwU
UvKvi GKKUv mgw^Z Kwl-c m` cK Kwi nq Zvnj cwZeQi
250Uv cK Avgiv KiZ cviev| hw` wVKgZv Pvjvbv hvq Zv wZb
eQi mg g~jab DV Avme| ZLb H UvKv w`q Avevi AviKUv
cK Kiv hve| KvRB `ki fvM cwieZbi Rb hvKvZB h_,
Gi Rb zz`FYi Kvbv `iKvi bB|
ck : Avgvi ckUv W. BDb~mK wbq| GKRb gvbyl hw` GZ Lvivc
KvRB KiZb, wZwb wK KLbv bvej cZb? Zvi mgvjvPbv KivUv
KZUv hywmZ?
Di : Avmj Kvbv ewi wei Avgv`i Kvbv AwfhvM bvB,
Kvbv vf bvB| Avgv`i ee GKUv wmgi wei, Zvi cYxZ
cwZi wei| GUv hw` gvbyli Rb KjvYKi nZv Avgiv memgq
Zv mg_b KiZvg| wK AKjvYKi nj, h hv-B ejyKwZwb h
iiB gvbyl nvb bv KbAvgiv memgq mUvi wec| z`FYi
wZKi w`K wbq B`vbxs wgwWqv nBPB KijI G evcvi Avgiv wK
ej AvmwQ MZ 20 eQi ai|
mw`b GKUv Lei `Ljvg, Rveiv Mvgi mywdqv, whwb H Mvgi
c_g FY bqv gwnjv, Zvi Ni bvwK GLb GZ boeo nq MQ h,
elvKvj ZvK Abi evwo wMq _vKZ nq! hviv WKzgUvwi wbgvY
KiZ wMqwQjb, ZvivI ILvb wMq cvKv Ni `Lb bvB, RxY-kxY
Ni `LQb| mywdqvi gZv Ab FYMnxZv`i cvq mevi gyL GKB
K_v bQb| cZKB GKvwaK z`FY`vZv cwZvbi KvQ _K FY
wbqQb Ges mB FY cwikva KiZ wMq mevi cvYvKi Aev
KD evwo wew KiQb, KD Mi wew KiQb| Avevi mvvwnK wKw
kva KiZ bv cvivq Kviv Nii wUb Lyj wbq MQ FY`vZv
cwZvb| A_vr G`i mv_ AvMKvi w`bi Mvg gnvRbi Kvbv
ZdvZ bvB| Giv nQ AvaywbK myU-cvUavix gnvRb|
evcviUv Avgiv AviKUz mnRfve `LZ cvwi| G ch Avgv`i
`k wZb j mvZ nvRvi KvwU UvKv GmQ FY `qvi Rb| GB
UvKvUv hw` AvmjB gvbyli fvM Dbqb eq Kiv nZv Zvnj
314

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

AvRKi Aev wK Ggb nZv bv| aib, G UvKv w`q hw` Avgiv
100 KvwU UvKvi GKKUv cK KiZvg Zvnj AZ wZb nvRvi cK
nZ cviZv| Ges cZKUv DcRjvq 10Uv Ki cK nZv Ges
cZK DcRjvq GK nvRvi KvwU UvKv wewbqvM nZ cviZv|
G wewbqvM hw` KwlR-ebR-djR LvZ eq nZv Zvnj AvRK
Zv Mwie jvKB LuyR cvIqv hZ bv! ZLb kni Avmvi jvK Kg
hZ| Zviv fveZv h, Mvg hvBILvb DcvRb ewk| AZGe hviv
we`k _K FY cvVvq Zviv KLbvB Avgv`i ^vej^x Kivi Rb
mvnvh cvVvq bv| Zviv FY cvVvq Avgv`i Mvjvg evwbq ivLvi Rb
Ges H UvKvi Ici gvUv Ai gybvdv Kivi Rb|
y`FYi weo^bv wbq fvlvmwbK I MelK Avng` iwdK GK
wek-lYg~jK wbe wjLQb| Gi Askwekl nQ
wKQy emiKvwi Rwici m~ `Lv hvq, evsjv`ki Mvgvji
AwaKvsk fwgi gvwjKvbv gv 10 kZvsk abx KlK ev eemvqx A_ev
KlK-eemvqxi nvZ| Avi fwgnxb KlKi msLv .... 65 _K 70
kZvsk| G RbmsLvi ga 46 kZvsk bvix, hviv euP _vKvi cqvRb
FY`vb msvi KvQ QyU hvq, eyS ev bv eyS (MvgxY eIqv)| Zvici
hv NUvi NU|
GivB FY msvi wkKvwi`i UvMU Mc| KviY G`i Lye mnR
mQj Rxebi ^c `Lvbv hvq, Avi G`i KvQ _K Rei`w my`
Av`vqi KvRUv Lye mnR Kiv hvq| my`i UvKv w`Z bv cvij QvMjUv
wKsev wb`bc nuvmUv-gyiwMUv Kv KiZ ev Pvji wUb Lyj wbZ
Kvbv Amyweav nq bv| k nvZ evav `qvi gZv G Amnvq
gwnjv`i bB|
Mvgi H h kwgvb 10 kZvsk gvbyl, ZvivB Mvgi A_bxwZ
wbqY Ki, MvgxY mgvR cwiPvjbv Ki _vK| .... FY`vb msvjv
eySbB Zv`i nvZ FY ev FYi my` Av`vqi `vwqZ Zyj `q| ....
MvgxY Mwiwe `kv GZUvB cKU h, IB Mwiwe Wvevq wQc djZ
mevB eRvq AvMnx| QvU GKUv FYi Pvi gyLi mvgb aij zavZ
gvQ aiv `eB| Gici ZvK wbq LjvbvhZ ewk Ljvbv hve
ZZ ewk jvf| G NUbv cyibv KveywjIqvjv`i Kvwnbxi gZvmy`
gvsZv, Avmwj bwn gvsZv|
ce 2 \ mvdj

315

h Mwie gvbylwUK FY wbZ nq, Pig `vwi`i gyL Zvi c wK

GK mvni ga Ggb jvf me h, g~j UvKvq nvZ bv w`q m
mvnv my` cwikva KiZ cvi? .... FY Av`vqi fqvenZv GZUv
ewk h, Mwie MvgxY gvbyli Rb Zv Avi mevi chvq _vK bv, nq
IV FY`vZvi c eemv Z_v gybvdvevwRAvRKvj bvbv Z Gi bvg
`qv nQ mvgvwRK eemv|
^fveZB Rvbv `iKvi, Kviv G aibi cKi FY`vZv, Kx Zv`i
cwiPq? `Z MwRq IVv emiKvwi msv Z_v GbwRIjvB (h bvg
G be gnvRb`i mevB Pb, Rvb) g~jZ IB FY`vZvMvx Ges Zv
QvU-eo bvbv AvKvii| y`FY`vZv msv AvKvi y` njI gybvdvi
Uvb IB y`Zv GKmgq cvnvoPovq DV hvq|
y` ZLb Avi y` _vK bv| jvfi cwigvY Awekvm ejB eva
nq G eemvq wevKvxiv jvBb w`q bg coQb| evsjv`k ZvB
Kw_Z G mevi kvlY eemvqi Dei fwgZ cwiYZ nqQ| gv 56
nvRvi eMgvBji Qv evsjv`k GbwRI-i msLv KqK nvRvi, Kviv
gZ 13 nvRvi, KD jLb 25 nvRvi| Avi my`i nvi? msv _K
msvq Zv wewfb iKg| GK A_bxwZwe`i gZ, my`i nvi 20 _K
40 kZvsk| fvev hvq! .....
G AvjvPbv `xN nZ cviZv| Zey BwZ UvbwQ GKwU Z_ w`q|
y`FY hw` Mvg `vwi`B `~i Kie, Zvnj GZjv eQi ci `wi`i
msLv kZvsk nvi Zv Kgvi K_v| wK KgQ bv|
1995 mvj weAvBwWGm-Gi Rwic `Lv hvq, 1994 mvj bvMv`
evsjv`k `wi` RbmsLvi nvi 48 kZvsk Ges AZxe `wi`i msLv
23 kZvsk| ....
A_bxwZwe` AavcK Avby gynv`i KvQ _K w`bKq AvM Rvbv
Mj, emiKvwi Rwic 2005 mvj bvMv` h Z_, ZvZ `Lv hvQ,
`vwi`mxgvi wbP emevmKvix RbmsLv 48 kZvski gZv| [A_vr
AZxe `wi`i msLv eoQ 25 kZvsk|]
wmvUv Zvnj `uvovq : y`FY `vbi gnvRbx eemv MvgxY `vwi`
wbimbi e`j `vZv msv-kYxi A_bwZK ^vB weKwkZ KiQ|
Kvbv Kvbv wei cvnvo mq Ges egyLx evwYRi gybvdvq
AvKvkPy^x| y`FY cKi Ggb cwiYvg Zv cZvwkZ nZ cvi bv|
316

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Rbve Avng` iwdKi cyiv wek-lY _K `Lv hvQ, z`FY

AwZ `wi`i msLv bv Kwgq evwoqQ wY| hLvb 18 eQi AvM
`ki cvq GK PZz_vsk gvbyl AwZ `wi` wQjv mLvb GLb `ki
AaK gvbylB AwZ`wi`| z`FYi mv_ RwoZ msvjvi KvRi
cwiYwZ AvmjB Lvivc|
AviKUv welq njv, Avcwb h bvej cyivii K_v ejQb
mLvbI cKZ mZUv Kx? AbK B kvlKiv hvK Zv`i ^v_i
AbyKj gb Ki ZvK bvej cyivi `q| Avi ^v_i cwZKj gb
Kij ZvK `q bv| aib, wjI Ujqwhwb GZ eo jLK
wQjbZvK kvwZ Zv `~i _vK, mvwnZI bvej `qv nq wb|
A_P bvej cyivi cewZZ nIqvi 10 eQi ch wZwb euP wQjb|
bvej cyivi cewZZ nq 1901 mvjUjq euP wQjb 1910
ch| Kb `qv nq wb? KviY hviv cyivi `q, UjqK w`q Zv`i
Kvqgx ^v_ nvwmj nIqvi Kvbv mvebv wQjv bv|
KvRB bvej cyivi hviv cvb Zv`i me ee wVK, me KvRB
wVKGgbUv fvevi Kvbv KviY bB| W. BDb~m bvej cyivi cq
PMvg wMq c_g h K_vwU ejjb Zv-B wQjv 16 Avei, 2006
mvji c_g Avjvi cavb wkivbvgPMvg e`i gy Ki w`b \
`ki wP cv hve| A_vr we`wk`i Rb e`i Dby Ki w`jB
`ki me fvjv nq hve|
bvej cyivi cq wZwb KxiKg emvgvj nq wMqwQjb Zv
evSv hvq ZvK `qv m^abvq| W. BDb~m ejb, evsjv`k GLb
bvej weRqx `k| RvwZ wnme Avgiv GLb AbK Ici DV MwQ|
nVvr Ki hb Avgiv cZK 10 dzU j^v nq MwQ| eyKi QvwZ
AbK PIov nq MQ|
GKUv cyivi cq gvbyl 10 dzU j^v Kxfve nq hvq? wPv Kib,
wnZvwnZ vb KZUv jvc cj GKRb gvbyl Ggb K_v ejZ cvi!
Aek _ji eovj eivZ mgq jvM wb| KqKw`bi gaB wZwb
NvlYv Kijb, ivRbwZK `j MVb Kieb|
mveK mwPe KvRx dRjyi ingvb Zvi ivRbxwZZ hvM`vbi
NvlYvK AvLvwqZ Kib W. BDb~m \ Rveiv _K MYfeb hvv!|
Aek G evcvi Zvi Avkvf nqQ Lye `Z| AbK wek-lKi gZ,
ce 2 \ mvdj

317

ZLbKvi ZveavqK miKvii bc_ PvjK`i gvBbvm-2 digyjv

evevqbi GKUv e_ D`vM W. BDb~m| ew BDb~mi evcvi
Avgv`i wKQy ejvi bB| Avgv`i ee mvgvwRK eemv bvgK be
gnvRbx myw` kvlY wbRiv dzj-duc DV `wi`K FYP dj
Aviv `wi` me^v Kivi cwqvi wei|
ck : GLb ck nQ GB FYi Rvj _K AwZ `wi` gvbyli gywi wK
Kvbv Dcvq AvQ?
Di : AekB Dcvq AvQ| GRb Avgv`i RvwZMZ `wfwZ
Avg~j cwieZb AvbZ ne| Avmj FY, Zv z` nvK ev eo nvK
FYMnxZvi Kvbv KjvY Ki bvGUv Avgv`i eySZ ne| mBmv_
wekvm KiZ ne h, gwK eenvi Ki AvgivB Avgv`i Aev
e`jvbvi Rb h_| G c_ cwikg AvQ, K AvQ wK ARbUv
ne AbK eo|
kievsjv G K dRjyj nK MZ kZvxZ FY mvwjkx evW MVb
Ki evsjvi KlKK gnvRbx FYi Awfkvc _K euvwPqwQjb| mB
GKB Av`j bZzb Ki FY mvwjkx evW MVb Kiv GLb mgqiB WvK|
GB evW FY I my` gIKzd Ki w`jB be gnvRb`i nvZ ew` `yB
KvwU 40 j FYRRwiZ bvix bZzbfve Rxeb i KiZ cvie|
RvZxq Rxeb Avme bZzb cvYPvj|

cYFY
ck : Avwg GKwU evsK PvKwi Kwi| Avgv`i evsK wdR Kbvi Rb
PgrKvi KgvwWwU jvbi eev AvQ| Avwg wK FY bev? iRx,
GKUv wdR Avgvi LyeB cqvRb|
Di : AvRKvj FYi bZzb msiY nQ KgvwWwU jvbMvwo, wdR,
wUwf Kbvi Rb FY| Avi Gi UvMU gaweiv| eo evsKjv wK
wkcwZ`i Avi FY `q bv| KviY Zviv GZ gZvevb h, UvKv
cwikva bv KijI wKQy Kivi bB|
318

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

evsK hw` eev wbZ hvq Zv Iiv ZvKB Lq dj| wK

gaweK aiv Lye mnR| Avcwb Mvwoi FY wbqQbUvKv `eb bv,
Avcbvi evmvq jvK Pj hve| Avkcvki jvKRb Rov Ki
AvcbvK MvwjMvjvR Ki Avme| Avcbvi Zv cwR _vKe bv|
AZGe mewKQy wew Ki njI AvcbvK FY kva KiZ ne|
Avi AvRK hw` Avcwb FY wbq wdR Kbb, KvjK Avcwb FY
wbq wUwf wKbZ PvBeb, ci wKbZ PvBeb gvUi mvBKj| KviY
GKevi Af nq Mj GB P _K ei nIqv Lye KwVb| ZvB
Avcwb wdR Kbvi Rb UvKv RgvZ _vKzb| GKUz mgq jvMe, wK
Avcwb evowZ Kvbv `y`kvq coeb bv|

eemvq FY
ck : AbKw`b ai eemv KiwQ| c_gw`K fvjv PjjI GLb Aev
Lye Lvivc| cwiwPZ`i KvQ _K avi AvMB KiwQ| GLb fewQjvg
evsK _K FY wbq Avevi i Kiev| wK Avcbvi K_v b fq
cvwQ| GLb Kx Kiv DwPZ eySZ cviwQ bv|
Di : AvcbvK GKUv D`vniY `B| ccZviKv gvBKj RvKmb
2010 mvj gviv hvb| GB wkxi gZyi KviY cvcvbvjj Ges
jvivhcvgi gZv Ilyai IfviWvR, hjv wZwb meb KiwQjb
Bbmgwbqv _K gyw cvIqvi Rb| wK ck nQ, Kb Zvi G
Ilyajvi cqvRb njv? Zvi Bbmgwbqvi KviY Kx? RvKmbi
mvcwZKKvji ez Ges mgeqmx BbwWej nvj&Ki AwfbZv jvI
dwiMbv mivmwi ejQb, Gmei bc_ iqQ RvKmbi wekvj
Ai FY Ges G _K m gvbwmK Pvc|
gvBKj RvKmbK Kb FY wbZ nqQ? Zvi Aev wK Lvivc
wQjv? ay AvgwiKvZB Zvi Gjevg wew nqQ 61 wgwjqbi
Ici| ay KvmU wew _KB Zvi Avq nqQ cvq 100 KvwU Wjvi
A_vr Avgv`i `wk UvKvq mvZ nvRvi KvwU UvKv| wK GZwKQyi ciI
gZyi mgq Zvi FYi cwigvY wQjv 40 KvwU Wjvi A_vr 2,800
ce 2 \ mvdj

319

KvwU UvKv| KviY cwZeQiB wZwb eq KiZb Zvi Avqi Pq `yB/

wZb KvwU Wjvi ewk hv Avgv`i UvKvq 200 KvwU UvKviI ewk|
Gme wbq gZzi AvMi eQijvZ ZvK ek KqKwU gvgjvi
gyLvgywL nZ nq| evnivBbi ivRvi wZxq Qj Ave`yj-vn web nvgv`
Avj Lwjdv, whwb GKmgq RvKmbK cPzi A_ avi w`qwQjb Gjevg
Ges AvZRxebxi Rb, cieZxZ nZvk nq cvq 50 KvwU UvKvi
gvgjv Kib RvKmbi wei|
FY cwikva bv KiZ cvij bfvijvmn mg mw wbjvg
DVeGB Avkv _KB jb KbmvUi wmv bb RvKmb| Avkv
KiwQjbGB KbmvUi Avq _K FY cwikvai UvKv DV Avme|
GRb wbRi kixii IciI Kg AZvPvi Kib wb wZwb| wK
GZmei ciI kliv nq wb| FYi Pvc wejxb nq Mjb GB
YRbv wkx|
GRb Avgiv memgq ewj, FY Kvbv mgvavb bq| hw` FY wbjB
cwieZb AvmZv Zvnj KvwU KvwU UvKv FY ev we`wk mvnvh bqvi
ci Avgiv mycvi cvIqvi nq hZvg, mycvi cyIi _vKZvg bv|
Avmj FYi e h GKevi cek Ki m Avi ei nZ cvi bv|
GKevi Rwoq coj FYi cwigvY evoZB _vKmUv mvgvb
KwlFYB nvK, cYFYB nvK ev eemvi Rb evsK _K bqv jvL
jvL UvKvB nvK wKsev we`wk mvnvhi bvg `vZv msvi A_ nvK|
AvcbvK G K_vjv ejvi Dk njv, FYi fqvenZv evSvbv|
Avcwb h fveQb, FY wbj Aevi DbwZ ne mUv wVK bq| hw`
nvZ UvKv bv _vK Zv wKQy gwkb ev dvwbPvi wew Ki w`Z cvib|
A_ev Ab Kvbvfve Pv Kib| nqZv mgq jvMe, wK Avcwb
wec` coeb bv|
ck : AvRK hme eemvqxiv mdj ej MY Zv`i ewkifvMiB
g~jabi Pq FY ewk| wK Zv`i Kvbv mgmv nQ bv| Avwg hw`
Zv`i gZv nZ PvB Zvnj Avgvi Kxfve Gbv DwPZ?
Di : Avmj Avcwb hv`i K_v ejQb Zviv GZ eo gvQ h, Zv`i
LZ PvBj Dv ZvivB evsKK Lq dj! GKevi bjvg
320

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

FYLjvwc`i Qwe bvwK cwKvq Qvcvbv ne, hvZ Zviv UvKv cwikva
Ki| wK mB Qwe Avi Qvcv nq wbZv`i bvwK Kvbv Qwe cvIqv
hvq wb! AZGe Zv`i gZv nZ PvBjB wK Avcwb Zv cvieb bv|
gyx cgPuv`i GKgyVv Mg Mi bvqK ksKiK mvqv-mi Mg
FY bqvi cwiYwZZ giZ nqwQjv| eveI FYLjvwc nq
ksKi`i gZv mvaviY gvbylivB gi, wke ksKiiv bq| KviY Zviv
Rvb FYK Kxfve wiwkwWDwjs KiZ nq, hUv ksKiiv Rvb bv|
kwcqvii gvPU Ae fwbm-G kvBjK ni wMqwQjv Kb? Kb
Pzw Abymvi GK cvD gvsm wbZ cvi wb? KviY cwZci k
DwKj wQjv| wK ksKi`i Zv AvBbRxex wbqvMi cqmv _vK bv|
Avi wZxqZ, Zv`i gZv nZ PvBj Zv cZviK nZ ne|
gvbyliUv gi LZ ne| Avcwb Kb miKg nZ PvBeb? memgq
gb ivLebcZviKi 10 w`b, Mni GKw`b| Abvq hw` Kib,
Abi wZ hw` Kib, AbK hw` cZvwiZ Kibkvw AvcbvK
cZB ne| KviY cKwZ Lye wbgg cwZkva MnYKvix| cvci NU
hLb c~Y nq ZLb agi Kj evZvm bo| ZvB Abvq Kieb bv|
Abi AwaKviK niY Kieb bv| eis Avcwb wbRi gZv _vKzb,
mrfve eemv Kib| KviY Zv`i gZv bv nqI Rxeb mdj nIqv
hvq, eo wKQy Kiv hvq Ges mUvB `xNvqx nq|
ck : Nyl-`ybxwZi h Aev ZvZ gb nq evsjv`k KD Avi
QvULvUv eemv KiZ cvie bv, mevBK PvKwiB KiZ ne|
GgZvevq ^vaxb eemv Kivi Rb Kx KiYxq?
Di : Avmj GUv fyj aviYv| Avgv`i mvifvBwfs KvcvwmwU AbK
ewk Ges Avgv`i `ki gvbyli gZv Ggb mnkw Ab Kvbv
`k weij| eQi eQi ebvi ciI wK Avgiv euP AvwQ Ges AbK
mgq myhvM _vKjI wbRi RvqMv Qo Avgiv hvB bv| ebvZ me
Wye hvq, Zvici wVKB Avgiv Avevi fm DwV| Avevi RM DwV,
Avevi KvR Kwi| A_vr wUK _vKvi gZv Avgv`i AbK ewk|
aib, GB h Nyli K_v Avcwb ejQbGUv wK AvM wQjv bv? QvU
eemvqx`i Ici Ryjyg wK AvM nq wb? eis Avgiv Zv `wL, GK jvL
ce 2 \ mvdj

321

UvKv FYi `vq AbK eemv nvivq, Avevi KqKk KvwU UvKvi FY
Ljvc KiI AbK Mefi Nyi eovq|
Avmj Ryjyg memgq Mwiei IciB nq| eo gvQ memgq QvU
gvQjvK Lq dj| KLb cvie bv? hLb QvU gvQjv me
GKwZ ne, hLb bvq cwZwZ ne, hLb mewKQy wbqgi ga
Avme| m jB fvjv gvbyl`i mNe nZ ne| fvjv gvbyliv
mNe nj cwieZb Zv ay mgqi evcvi gv|
eZgvb QvULvUv eemv Kiv hve bv, GUv Aeve K_v| QvULvUv
eemv wK KD KiQ bv? eemvq jvf Kieb wK bv mUv wbfi Ki
Avcbvi AvBwWqvi Ici, Avcbvi hvMZvi Ici| PvBj QvU eemv
_KI AbK jvf Kiv hvq|
Avi jvf Kivi Rb eemvi wPivPwiZ aviYv ev` w`Z ne| Avgiv
eemv KLb KiZ PvB? hLb `wL h, H eemvq mevB hvQ| GUv
wVK bv| cZK eemvi GKUv AcwUgvg jfj AvQGici H
eemvUv mvPziUW nq hvq, ILvb Avi jvf Kiv hvq bv| KvRB
eemv hLb KiZ hveb, AvcbvK wPv KiZ ne, bZzb Kvb
Kiv hvq| mUv hZ QvUB nvK bv Kb, Avcwb `uvwoq hZ cvieb
KvbviKg KwwUkb Qvov|
ck : GKUv wk cwZvb ewi GKvi m` bq, Gi gvag `k I
RvwZ evcKfve DcKZ nq| AbK eKvii Kgmsvbi myhvM nq,
`ki A_bxwZ Dei nq| G KviY evsK 30% RvgvbZ wk
D`vvK 100% nvi FY c`vb Ki| myZivs G aibi wk
D`vvK FYM bv fe wK GKRb mgvRmeK fvev hvq bv?
Di : Avcwb Avgv`i `ki cvcU G K_vjv ejjb| GUv wbq
ejvi AvM Avgiv we`ki cvcU GKUy `wL| wekRyo mvcwZK
A_bwZK g`vi cfve BDivc-AvgwiKvi AbK eo eo wk
cwZvb e nq MQ|
Gme cwZvbK euvPvbvi Rb m `ki miKvi GwMq GmQ|
hgb, `DwjqvZ _K euvPvbvi Rb gvwKb miKvi Rbvij gUimK
50 wewjqb Wjvi mvewmwW w`qwQjv| GKBfve Bsjvi mePq eo
322

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

evsKwUk evsKK `DwjqvZ _K euvPvbvi Rb hyivR miKvi

wekvj Ai A_mvnvh w`qQ|
GLb Avcwb ejyb, G UvKvjv Kv`i UvKv? RbMYi UvKv| KvK
euvPvbvi Rb w`qQ? cyuwRcwZ`i euvPvbvi Rb| A_vr kvlK`i
euvPvbvi Rb w`Q RbMYi UvKv! Kb? KviY GKUv cwZvb asm
nq hvIqvUv cuywRev`x A_bxwZi Rb wZKi| GKUv GKUv Ki hw`
mejv evsK e nq hZ Zvnj AvgwiKvi Kx Aev nZv? KvRB
miKvi hLb GKUv wk cwZvbK euvPvZ mvnvh Ki, Zvi Dk
_vK cuywRev`x A_bxwZK iv Kiv, mgvRmev bq| hw` GKUv wk
cwZvb mgvRmev Ki PjZv Zvnj wK Zviv mvnvh PvBZv bv,
`Dwjqv nq Mj Zviv me eP w`q RbMYK H UvKv wewjq
w`Zv| Zv wK nq bv| Zviv Avgv`i UvKv w`q eemv Ki,
Avgv`iKB kvlY Ki| Avevi wec` coj Avgv`i Uvi UvKv
w`qB Zviv wUK _vK|
Gi cQb wK Kvbv GKK ew ev miKvi `vqx bq| `vqx njv
wmg| aib, Avgiv GZw`b Kx `Ljvg? weki c_gmvwii ek
KqKwU wk cwZvb Ges AbZg eng KqKUv evsK U Ki e
nq hZ cvi Ges mjvK euvPvbvi Rb AvgwiKvi gZv `ki
miKviK evBii `k _K ch A_ mvnvh wbZ nq| Zvnj GB
wmgUv KZ Lvivc!
Gevi Avwm Avgv`i `ki cm| Avgv`i `k hviv FY wbq
wk cwZvb vcb KiQb, AvR ch KD wK UvKv kva KiQb?
Lye Kg| KviY hviv FY bb, Zviv mgvRmev Kivi Rb FY bb bv|
Zviv wk cwZvb Kivi Rb, eemv Kivi Rb FY bb| FYLjvwc
nIqvi Rb FY Kib| gvP 1992 ch ivvq I emiKvwi evsK
FYLjvwci msLv GK jvL 22 nvRvi 437 Rb| Avgv`i `k Zviv
nQb mvwbZ FYLjvwc KviY Zviv _vKb aiv-Quvqvi evBi|
GB h FYi UvKvGjv Avm KvK? RbMYi cKU _K|
RbMYi Uvi UvKv _K| wkKviLvbvq h FY nqGB FYi
AwaKvsk nQ we`wk FY| AvBwWwe ev Iqv evsK Gme FYi UvKv
`q| wkevsKi UvKv GmQ Kv_v _K? we`wk FY _K Ges GB
UvKv kva w`Z nQ KvK? RbMYK|
ce 2 \ mvdj

323

AZGe g~j wRwbmUv nQ `wfw| Avcwb h fveQb GKUv wk

cwZvb `ki A_bxwZi DcKvi KiQmUv GKw`K _K wVK| wK
DcKvii j wbq KvR Kiv Avi AbKjv fuvIZvevwRK XvKvi
Rb wKQy fvjv KvR KivG `yUvi ga AbK cv_K AvQ|
Avmj Avcwb hw` gvbyli mev KiZ Pvb Avcbvi FYi Kvbv
cqvRb bvB| gvbylB AvcbvK UvKv `e| GKRb eemvqx m chB
mdj _vK hZY m gvbyli UvKv wbq eemv Ki| hLbB m
evsKi UvKv wbq eemv i Ki, ZLb m AvUKv co hvq| hw`I
K_vUv Avcbv`i KvQ ciiweivax gb ne| wK GUvB eveZv|
KviY Avgv`i mgmvUv nQ wmg| FY bqvi ga AbK
evcvi AvQ, cR cvk Kivbvi ga AbK Kvq`v AvQ| Ijv
KivZ KivZ Avcbvi wbRi cKU _K h cwigvY A_ ewiq hve
Zvici Avcwb wbRB gb Kieb h, Gevi AbK UvKv `qv e Ki
GKUz wbR KvgvB Kwi|
KviY md my` wnme h cwigvY UvKv AvcbvK eQii ci eQi
evsKK w`Z ne Zvici Avi g~j UvKv diZ w`Z PvBeb bv| Ges
GZ Avcbvi hiKg jvf, Zgwb evsKiI jvf| gvSLvb w`q evowZ
FYi UvKv bZ nq RbMYK|
KvRB GKZidvfve KvDKB `vlvivc KiZ PvB bv| Avgiv PvB
wmgUv my`i nvKhUv RbMYi Rb KjvYKi ne| hLvb gvbyl
wewbqvM Kie Ges wewbqvMi dmj m Zzj wbZ cvie| Zvi AvM
ch Avgv`i eveZvi mv_B gvwbq PjZ ne|
ck : eemvi LvwZi wZb-Pvi RvqMv _K A A FY wbqwQ| G
Aevq wK GK RvqMv _K eo FY wbq QvU FYjv c_g kva
Ki `ev? KviY AbKjv RvqMvq `bv bv iL GKUv RvqMvq
`bv ivLvB Zv fvjv| Avcbvi gZvgZ RvbZ PvwQ|
Di : GB h FY wiwkwWDwjs KivGUv wbq Avgv`i AbKiB ck
AvQ| mw`b cwKvq GKUv Lei `Ljvg| GZ ejv nQ h, 2001
mvj ch MvgxY evsK hviv FYM AvQ Zv`i AwaKvskB
wiwkwWDwjsqi gvag wbqwgZ _KQ ev LvZvq Ljvwc _K MQ|
324

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

A_vr mevB KqK `dvq FYx, GK `dvq bq| Ggb `Lv MQ h,

MvgxY evsKi GKRb m`m, Avevi GKB mv_ cwkKviI m`m| m
MvgxY _K wbq cwkKvi FY kva Ki Avevi cwkKv _K wbq
MvgxYi FY kva Ki| Abvb AbK GbwRI, hgb evK-Gi mI
Ggb NUbv NUQ|
GB FYi UvKv wbq Zviv Kx Ki? AwaKvsk Mwie gvbyl FYi UvKv
w`q dzUvwb Ki| euP _vKvi Rb FY bq Lye Kg gvbyl| GKUv
mgq Gm Z_vKw_Z abx nq IVv GB `wi`iv FYi UvKvq
Uwjwfkb Kb, mvBKj Kb, Avi weq-evwo `vIqvZ wMq Dcnvi
`q ek `vwg Kvbv wKQy| gvb RvZ DVZ wMq ewnmex LiP
Ki| Qj-gqi weqZ aygavg Ki| fveGKUvB Zv Qj/
gq, LiP Zv GKUz neB| ci Kvbvfve avi kva Kiev| mB
FY Avi kva nq bv ev kva Kivi Rb AviK RvqMv _K FY bq|
hnZz m FY wbqB FY cwikva KiQ, KvRB Zvi gb nq m
Lye fvjv AvQ| hUv m evS bv Zv njv FYi cwigvY gv^q
evoQ| evoZ evoZ GKmgq Zvi wfUvevwo wbjvg nq hvQ|
wfUvevwoi gvwjK GKmgq MvgxY evsK bv nq Avkv ev evK nQ|
Avi Avcwb hUv ejjb FY wiwkwWDwjs KivGUv Avmj GKUv
gvbwmK g Qvov Avi wKQy bv| aib, GLb Avcbvi wZb RvqMvq 10
jvL UvKv Ki FY AvQ, cwZgvm wZb RvqMvq AvcbvK UvKv cwikva
KiZ nQ|
Avcwb fveQb, wZbRbK UvKv `qvi PvBZ GKRbK `qv
fvjv| wK K_v Zv GKB njv| GK RvqMv _K 30 jvL UvKv Avi
wZb RvqMvi 10 jvL UvKv Ki gvU gvwmK wKw Zv GKB Avm| eis
ewk UvKv jvb wbj mBLvb Avcbvi AvUK covi myhvM ewk| ewk
UvKv gvb AvcbvK RvgvbZI ewk w`Z neGUv Zv mnR wnmve|
KvRB Avwg ejev, FY hjv AvQ mjv AvM cwikva Kib|
GB wiwkwWDwjsqi ga hveb bv|
ck : Avwg ^vaxb ckvq Rxeb MoZ PvB| wK Avgvi AhvMZv njv
Avgvi evevi UvKv bB| Avi eemv KiZ nj Zv AbK UvKv
`iKvi| FY bv wbj GB UvKv Kv_vq cvev?
ce 2 \ mvdj

325

Di : Avmj evevi UvKv _vKv bv _vKvi Ici KLbv eemvi fvM

wbfi Ki bv| Avcbvi AhvMZv ILvb bq h, Avcbvi cwievi UvKv
bB| Avcbvi AhvMZv GLvb h, Avcwb fveQb evevi UvKv Qvov
eemv Kiv hvq bv| evsjv`k KqRb mdj wkcwZ AbK UvKv nvZ
wbq eemv i KiQb? hme eo eo KvwUcwZK AvR `LQb
Zv`i KD AbK cuywR wbq eemv i Kib wb, KD-B bv|
eis hviv AbK UvKv wbq eemv i KiQ, evsK jvb wbq
eemvq bgQZviv KD mdj nq wb| Zviv memgq FY RRwiZB
_KQ| gb ivLZ ne, Avcbvi AwfZv bBAZGe Avcbvi fyj
neB| hLb A cuywR wbq bvgeb, fyji gvj Ai Ici w`q
hve| Avi hLb AbK UvKv MPv w`Z ne, ZLb mB UvKv ZzjZ
ZzjZB Rvb ewiq hve; Avcwb jvf Kieb KLb? GRb `Leb,
hviv QvU cuywR wbq eemv i KiQ Zviv AbK `~i GwMqQ|
Bmjvg Mci Rwnij Bmjvg| 1960 mvj wZwb mycvifvBRvii
PvKwi KiZb| GKmgq PvKwi Pj Mj QvULvUv KUv bqvi
gvag wZwb eemv i Kijb Ges evsjv`k nIqvi ci wZwb wQjb
GK b^i eemvqx| GKevi k~b _K wZwb i KiwQjb| Avi
GLb Zv XvKv kni Ggb Kvbv GjvKv bvB hLvb Bvb nvDwRsqi
GcvUgU bvB|
GiKg D`vniY wK AMwYZ| Avgiv Avmj eemvi g~j evcviUvB
eywS bv| h KviY Avgv`i eemvi h mgw nIqv DwPZ mUv nq bv|
Avgiv wPv Kwi h, evevi KZ UvKv AvQ| evev cbkb GZ UvKv
cve, mUv wbq eemv Kiev| RvqMv Rwg hv AvQ, GUv eK w`q
evsK _K jvb bev, cR Kiev|
Avmj FY wbq KLbv eemv nq bv| eemv KiZ ne Avcbvi hv
AvQ Zv wbq| Avcwb eo kwcs gj KiZ Pvb, AvM QvU GKUv gyw`
`vKvb w`q i Kib| mUvi jvf w`q AviKUz eo wKQy Kib| hw`
mUv KiZ bv cvib Zv AvcbvK w`q eemv ne bv| AvMB hw`
evevi UvKv w`q wekvj kv-ig w`Z Pvb Zv wbwZ _vKzb, H `vKvb
ewkw`b wUKe bv| KvRB Avcbvi evevi UvKv bv _vKUv Avcbvi
AhvMZv bq, eis eemv i Kivi Rb GUvB Avcbvi eo kw|
326

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

FY Ki evwo Kiv
ck : bM` UvKv bB| nvDm wews dvBbv Kcvikbi FY wbq evwo
Kivi evcvi Avcbvi gZvgZ Avkv KiwQ|
Di : Avmj GB evwo Zwi KivK Avgvi memgq GKUv Svgjv gb
nq| ZiY eqm ek KqKRbK Avwg evwo Zwi KiZ wMq nvUGUvK gviv hZ `LwQ| G KviY Avgvi GKUv mgq aviYv wQjv
h, evwo Zwi KiZ MjB gvbyli nvU-GUvK nq!
ek KqKeQi AvMi GKUv NUbvAvgvi KvQ GKevi GK
MvRyqU GmwQjb| f`jvK evsKvi| jvb wbq Pvi/ cuvP Zjv evwo
KiebAvgvi civgk PvBZ GmQb| Avwg ejjvg, LvgvLv Gme
evwo Kivi Kx `iKvi! wZwb ejjb, m Avcwb eySeb bv| Avcbvi
Zv Gme evcvi Kvbv AvMn bvB| wKQyw`b ci Zvi x Gm ejjb,
Dwb nvU-GUvK Ki gviv MQb, Gw`K evwoi KvR kl nq wb|
KviYUv Kx? evwo Zwii mv_ wK nvU-GUvKi mK? bv, mKUv
Avmj gvbwmK Pvci| evwo Zwii mgq Avcwb h wgw`i mv_ K_v
ejeb, Zviv KLbvB GwgU `qvi mgq Avmj LiPi 50%-i ewk
eje bv| A_vr evwo ZwiZ hw` 60 jvL UvKv LiP nq Zv AvcbvK
eje 30 jvL| Avcwb nqZv Aviv 10 jvL UvKv nvZ iL gvU 40
jvL GwgU Ki KvR bg cojb| Gi ga evsK _K wbjb
20 jvL| evwKUv Abvb mvm _K avi-Uvi Ki hvMvo Kijb|
Avcwb wbw njb, hvK, evwo Zwii LiPi eev nq MQ!
i njv KvR| Ki LiP nZ jvMjv| 40 jvLi cyivUv LiP
KiI Avcwb GKmgq `Ljb evwo Avcbvi nqQ wVKB; wK m
Kej KvVvgv| wdwbwks wKQyB nq wbdvi nq wb, `iRv-Rvbvjv nq
wb, ev_ig nq wb| Avi LiP ewk jvM Gme KiZB|
Gw`K wdwbwks bv Kiv ch Avcwb bv cviQb wbR m evwoZ
DVZ, bv cviQb fvov w`Z| dj Gme Kivi Rb Aviv jvL wekK
hvMvoi msMvg bvgZ njv AvcbvK| UbkbUv GLvbB| KviY
avi-KR Zv AvMB Kiv kl| Iw`K hZ mgq hvQ jvbi BUvi
evoQ| em, Avcbvi Avi Nyg Avme bv| h f`jvKi K_v ejwQjvg
ce 2 \ mvdj

327

wZwbI wK GB wPvq gviv Mjb Ges kl ch FYi UvKv cwikva

bv Kivq evsK evwoUv wbq wbjv| evwoI Mj, DwbI Mjb| njv bv
Qj-gqi RbI wKQy|
Aek KD GUv fveeb bv h, Avwg ejwQevwo KiZ MjB nvUGUvK nq! wbRi evwo Kivi ga `vli wKQy bvB| imyjyj-vn (m)-GiI
wbRi evwo wQjv| AZGe wbRi Rb evwo KivI GKUv mybZ| Ze
AvcbvK GKUv wmg hZ ne| Gwgkbi evcvi Lye mveavb
_vKeb| wgw hv eje Zvi Kgc Wvej aieb| `iKvi nj
Wveji Ici Aviv UzqwU cvmU aib, cyiv UvKvi eev Ki KvR
i Kib| Avcbvi Kvbv Amyweav ne bv| evwoI ne| fvjvfve
_vKZ cvieb|

FY wbq weq
ck : iRx, gv-evevi AgZ weq KiwQ ej Abyvbi me LiP
AvgvKB enb KiZ nqQ| GKUv evsK PvKwi Kwi ej mnRB
gviR jvb cq wMqwQjvg| wK ZLb SuvKi gv_vq wQjvg, ZvB
me kZ Lqvj Kwi wb| Lye RuvKRgK KiZ wMqwQjvg ej jvbI
wbqwQjvg cPzi| weqi wZxq eQi GmI cyiv UvKv kva KiZ cvwi
wb| GLb cwZ gvmB eZb _K eo Ai UvKv KU ivLQ| msmvi
PvjvZ Lye K nQ| GLb Avwg Kx Kiev?
Di : mewKQy Ki dj `yB eQi ci Avcbvi gb nQ, GLb Avwg
Kx Kiev! cyil gvbyl hw` GZ evKv nq, Zvnj msmvi Pvjveb
Kxfve? Avcwb h ejQb wbRi cQ` weq KiQb, Avmj Zv
cQ`Uv BUU bv, Avcwb gv-evevi mv_ R` Ki weq KiwQjb
Ges Avcwb h AbK fvjv wmv wbqQbGUv Zv`i `LvZ wMq
weqZ ewnmve LiP KiQb!
Avmj gvbyl hLb wPvfvebv bv Ki SuvKi gv_vq KvR Ki ZLb
GBfveB fyj Ki| weqZ mvg_i Pq ewk LiP KiZ ne Kb?
GUv Kx Ggb NUbv? Avcbvi AvM wK `ywbqvq KD weq Ki wb?
328

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Avmj cyuwRev`x P wbR`i eemvwqK ^v_B fvRb, webv`b Ges

RweK Pvwn`v c~iYK Rxebi mePq iZc~Y welq wnme cPvi
KiQ| wbZbZzb Kkj ei KiQ gvbylK eq Dy Kivi Rb|
G Zv`i cavb A njv wgwWqv| hiKg, wmbgv-bvUK weqK
KvwbK GK wekvj evcvi wnme wPwZ Kiv nq|
A_P weq njv GKwU mvaviY I ^vfvweK NUbv| Gi ga Avnvgwi
wKQy bB| Avi gviR jvb njv mBiKg GKUv eyRiwK| wK
Avgiv mUv bv eyS LiPi cwZhvwMZvq gZ DwV| FY Ki njI
GB dzUvwb KiZ wMq AbK cwievi `y`kvq cwZZ nq|
Avcbvi I Zv-B nqQ| weqi evcvi Gi Pq eo fyj, eo
Awe`v Avi wKQy nZ cvi bv| KviY Avcwb FY Ki wbRi RuvKRgK
c`kb Ki H gqwUK gvwnZ KiZ PqQb| IB h Avey nvmb
wQjv bvGKw`bi ev`kvmBiKg! Avi H gqwU nq GKw`bi
ivbx| wK Avcwb h GKw`bi ev`kvGUv Zv gqwUi gv_vq XvK
bv| m fve mvivRxeb Zvi GiKgB hve| Avi GB h Qwe Zvi gv_vq
XvKmgmv i nq GLvb _KB|
GRb Avgiv memgq ewj, cyiliv hviv weq Kieb AvM xK
wbRi A_bwZK Aev mK Lye cwivi aviYv `eb| ejeb, GB
njv Avgvi Aev| Avgvi mv_ _vKZ nj GfveB _vKZ ne|
`Leb, Kvbv Akvw ne bv|
Avi evsK h Zvi Kgx`i GB aibi myhvM-myweavjv `q, Zvi
Dk njv Kgxiv hvZ mnR cwZvb Qo bv hvq| Avcbvi gZvB
GK ZiY KvR KiZv GKwU gvwbvkbvj evsK| Zvi evsK hnZz
gviR jvbi eev AvQ, vUvm eRvq ivLvi Rb mLvb _K
FY wbq wbRi weqZ m GZ LiP Kijvhv Ggwb Aevq m
KLbvB KiZ cviZv bv|
ZLb m fewQjv, Kx Avi ne? Avgvi evsKi UvKv w`qB Zv
weq KiwQ| wK Ui cjv Zvici| wbRi evsK nj Kx ne|
DPnvi my` `qv _K wbvi cvq wb m-I| Avi m my`i UvKv bZ
wMq ivRv-ivbxi nvj weq Kiv Zvi msmvi GLb AvwiK A_B byb
AvbZ cvbZv dzivq Aev| Avcbvi AevI AbKUv Zv-B| hZw`b
FY cwikva bv nq ZZw`b wKQyB Kivi bB| hnZz UvKv cvIbv AvQ,
ce 2 \ mvdj

329

GB PvKwi Qo Avcwb h fvjv Kv_vI hvebmUvI me bv|

AvcbvK GLvbB _vKZ ne Ges FY kva bv Kiv ch PvKwi Ki
hZ ne| Zvici nqZv Ab wKQy fveZ cvib|

cm wWU KvW ev Kveywj KvW

ck : iRx, Avcwb Zv FYi K_v ejjb| wK Avgiv h wWU
KvW eenvi Kwi mUvI wK GK aibi FY bv? KviY H UvKvUv Zv
Avgvi KvQ bB, Avwg evsK _K avi Ki LiP KiwQ| KvRB G
evcvi Avcbvi gZvgZ `qv Ki Rvbveb wK?
Di : Avwg Avcbvi mv_ cyivcywi GKgZ| Avmj GB h wWU
KvW, Gi mw njv Kxfve? gvKwUs wimvP `Lv Mj, Avgiv h
KbvKvUv Kwi Zvi 20% gv cqvRb, evKx 80%-B AveMi ek,
PvLi zavq| ZLbB wKb bv djj H ei cwZ Avi AvKlY _vK
bv| wK mv_ UvKv bv _vKj Zv Avi Kbv hve bv| ZvB eemvqxiv
eyw ei Kijv, evwKZ Kbvi myhvM `qvi|
wWU KvW cPjbi dj FY Ki wN LvIqvi h mswZ mw
njv mviv cw_exevcx, Zvi cwiYvg weasmx| mgM cwgvwek
bankruptcy ev `Dwjqvcbvi nvi w`b w`b eoB PjQ Ges Gi
AbZg KviY GB wWU KvW| Zv`i AbKB jvMvgnxbfve
GKi ci GK wRwbm wKbZ _vKb|
DUcvwL hgb gif~wgZ Soi mgq evwjZ gyL MuyR _vK GB
fe h, m hw` SoK `LZ bv cvq Ze So Zvi Kvbv wZ Kie
bv| cY`vmivI Zgwb geagvb FYi evSvK AMvn Ki Aviv
Aviv Aviv wKbZ _vKb| GKwU wWU KvWi wjwgU c~Y nq Mj
AviKwU, Zvici AviKwUGfve Pvwjq hZ _vKb FYi cvnvo
gv_vq fO bv cov ch| Gici GB FY _K gywi Rb wbRK
`Dwjqv NvlYv Kib Ges evsK Zvi mg mw AvZmvr Ki bq|
Ujvi GKwU wicvU `Lv MQcwZ mvn mLvb Mo
100 Rb gvbyl `Dwjqv nQ, FY kva KiZ bv cvivi KviY| 2004
330

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

mvj _K GiKg `Dwjqv nq hvIqvi msLv cwZeQi evoQ

20-25% nvi| Kb? KviY FYi UvKvUv Zv Ki DcvRb bq| dj
LiP nq hvq ZvovZvwo| Avi me FY`vZv`i gZv wWU KvW
KvvwbjvI Pvq, Avcwb wPiKvj FYM _vKzb| ZvB Zviv wK
Avmj diZ Pvq bv, Zviv Pvq ay my`UzKzcwZgvm ay minimum
payable amount Rvwbq wPwV cvVvq| AbKUv mB cvPxbKvji
KveywjIqvjv`i gZv|
wWU KvWi GB weasmx cfve mK GLb AbKB mPZb
nq DVQb| AvgwiKvb abKzei Iqvib evdUmn AbK weRbB
hyeK`i Dc`k w`qQb, wWU KvW Ges FY _K `~i _vKZ|
AZGe gb ivLeb, wWU KvW Avmj Kveywj KvW| dzUvwb Ki
wWU KvW eenvi Kij FY I my`i PvivevwjZ AvUK hveb|
ck : iRx, Avcwb ejQb wWU KvW Lvivc| wK DbZ `kjvZ
Zv me jb`b wWU KvWi gvagB nq| ejv nq h, I`i
A_bxwZ wWU KvWwbfi| Zvnj Iiv wUK AvQ Kxfve?
Di : Avmj GKUv eo RvnvR WyeZI ek mgq jvM| cvvZ
mvcwZK A_bwZK g`vq e Kvvwb `Dwjqv nq hvIqvi ciI
wUK AvQ ay RvovZvwj w`q| Avi Zv`i GB A_bwZK ami
AbZg cavb KviY nQ wWU KvWi A_bxwZ| evwKZ Kbv|
Kbvi mgq Zv uk wQjv bv, GLb UvKv `qvi mgq Avi UvKv bvB!
2012-Gi wnmve AbyhvqxAvgwiKvi miKvwi FYi cwigvY nQ
15 wUwjqb Wjvi| gvb 15-Gi ci 15Uv k~b emvj h msLv nq,
mUv nQ Zv`i `bvi cwigvY| GUv h A^vfvweK cwigvY Zv wK
KvDK ej w`Z nq bv| mgmv nQ, GB cwigvYUv KejB evoQ|
cwmWU Ievgvi h bvkbvj We&U Kwgkb A_vr RvZxq FY
Kwgkb, Zvi Kv-Pqvigvb BRKvBb evIjm| g`vi ci ci wZwb h
fvlY w`qwQjb ZvZ wZwb ejQbw`m We&U BR jvBK G Kvvi|
BU BR Uywj Mvwqs Uz Wq w` KvwU dg DBw`b|
A_vr GB FY nQ Kvvii gZv| Kvvi hiKg fZi _K
asm Ki `q, Zgwb GB wWU KvWi A_bxwZ AvgwiKvK fZi
ce 2 \ mvdj

331

_K asm Ki w`Q| Avevi Pxbi AvRKi A_bwZK cewi w`K

`Lyb| Pxbviv hv DcvRb Ki Zvi GK-cgvsk Rgv iL Zvici Zviv
KbvKvUv Ki| FY Ki wN LvIqvi ga Pxbviv bvB| h KviY Pxbi
AvRKi GB A_bwZK cew|
ck : wWU KvWi wZKi w`K mK Avcwb hv ejQb eySZ
ciwQ, wK ewk cwigvY UvKv mv_ wbq Pjvdiv Kiv wbivc` bq|
Zvnj wWU KvW QvovI Zv Kvbv Dcvq bB|
Di : Avmj cZKUv KvRi cQb hw` GKUv hyw _vK, Zv
cZKUv AKvRi cQbI 101Uv hyw AvQ| Avcwb GKUv PviK
wRm Kib, Kb Zzwg Pzwi Kij? m Pzwii c 101Uv cqU ejZ
cvie| wK mB 101Uv cqU PzwiK RvwdvB Ki bv|
hiKg, Avcwb ejQb wWU KvW Qvov Dcvq bBwWU KvW
hviv wew Ki Zviv wK GB K_vB ej| Avgv`i `k GLb wWU
KvW hviv eq eovQb Zv`i msLv Qq ji ewk (!) Ges wWU
KvW fvv FYi cwigvY nQ 11 nvRvi KvwU UvKv!
Avgv`i `ki Avmj Kx Aev? hviv `wi` wQjv, z`FY w`q
Zv`i AwZ`wi` Kiv nqQ; Gevi gaweK `wi` Kivi cwqv i
nqQ| KviY hZ GB fvMcYi FY evoZ _vKe ZZ fvMcYi
Pvwn`v eo hve, `vg eo hve Ges g~jxwZ NUe| Avgv`i
GLbKvi h g~jxwZ`vgi h GZ ewGi AbZg cavb KviY
nQ wWU KvW Ges fvv FY| KvRB wWU KvW Qvov Dcvq
bBGgbUv fvev njv evKvwg|
Avi UvKv mv_ ivLvUv hnZz Amyweav, Avcwb GwUGg KvW KiZ
cvib| GLb Zv gvUvgywU meLvbB GwUGg KvW-Gi eev AvQ|
wWU KvWi Pq GwUGg KvW fvjv|
GZ Avcbvi wbRi GKvDUi UvKv Avcwb ZzjQb Ges AwZwi
eq Kivi evcvi mZK _vKQb| KviY wbRi UvKv KD ewnmwe
eq KiZ Pvq bv| wK FYi UvKvi cwZ H gvqv _vK bv| IUv w`q
AcPqI ZvB ewk nq|
332

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

FY _K DiY
ck : nVvr Ki FYM nq MwQ| Lye Pv KiwQ FY _K DiYi
Rb, wK cviwQ bv| hLbB Kvbv FY cwikvai Rb UvKvi eev
Kwi, ZLb bZzb mgmv `Lv `q| euvPvi c_ Kx?
Di : Avmj Avcbvi cwqvq, Avcbvi cwiKbvq A_ev KvR
Kv_vI fyj AvQ| mB fyjUv LyuR ei Kib| `Leb h, FYMZv
_K Avcwb euP hvQb| GB fyjUv nZ cvi wewfbiKg|
nZ cviAvcwb fyj KvR A_ eq KiQb| A_ev nZ cvi
cqvRbi LvZ Avcwb eq KiZ fyj hvQb| dj hLb gb coQ
ZLb AvcbvK wZc~iY w`q ewk UvKv LiP KiZ nQ| A_ev
nqZv GUv Kvbv LiPi gaB co bvmd Aceq ev dzUvwbi Rb
Avcwb cqmv IovQb| eveZv nQ GB AceqUvB Avgiv ewk Kwi|
cgPuv`-Gi ksKii MI Avgiv `Ljvg FYi Drcw nqwQjv wK
AcPq _K| VvKzi ev gnvZvK LvBq cyY ARbi Avkvq m Zvi
mvg_i evBi LiP Kijv Ges `y`kvq cwZZ njv|
AvMKvi w`b Rwg`viiv Kx KiZv? evey Kwnjb, Dcb, Zvi GK
gqi weq aygavg Ki `| UvKv b, ay GKUv KvMR wjL `UvKv
LiP nq Mj, Avi Dcbi gZv KlKi Rwg-evwo Rwg`vii nq
Mj| ZvB bv?
AwaKvsk B Mvgi mvaviY gvbyli FYI wK AcPq Kivi
Rb| wbRi LvIqvi UvKv bB, Gw`K jvb wbq Zviv wUwf wKbQ,
mvBKj wKbQ| A_vr FYi g~j KviY nQ AcPq| FY _K gy
_vKZ nj ev nZ nj ZvK cqvRb Avi AcPqi cv_KUv eySZ
ne| GKRb gvbyl hw` Zvi mvg_i evBi LiP bv Ki, m Kvbvw`b
FYx ne bv|
m hw` wbRi mxgveZvK Abyfe Ki hGB nQ Avgvi mxgv,
Avwg GUzKz LiP KiZ cvwi, Gi ewk Avwg LiP Kiev bvm
Kvbvw`b FYx ne bv Ges Kvbvw`b ZvK FYRRwiZ Aevq gviv
hZ ne bv| Avmj `bw`b cqvRb gUvbvi Rb wK Avgiv FYx
nB bv, FYx nB AcPqi KviY, AwZwi eq Kivi Rb|
ce 2 \ mvdj

333

Avgv`i GK MvRyqUK Zvi Aviv `yB ez Gm GKUv eemvi

cve w`jv| Zvi h RvqMv AvQGKUv cR Ki GB RvqMvUv
evsK gUMR w`Z ne| mB RvqMvi `vgI AZ Pvi KvwU UvKv|
GUv _K Kgm Kg 15 ev 20 KvwU UvKvi cR Zv AvmeB|
wVK AvQ| c-vb njv h, wZbRbB wWii ne| RvqMv Zvi, Iiv
ay evsK _K GUv cmwms Ki `e| cR cvk nIqvi ci Zviv
bvwK c_gB wZbUv ev Mvwo wKbe hvi `vg coe GKKUv GK
KvwU UvKv Ki! Avqi Kvbv bvg-M bB, c_gB GZjv UvKv
LiP! Zvici AvQ Abvb LiP, gBbUb BZvw`| GKUv cR
_K hw` c_gB wZb KvwU UvKv ewiq hvq, Zv Kx jvf ne Ggb
Bvw _K? Avi hLb FYUv kva KiZ cvie bv, ZLb Kx ne?
Avmj eemv ejZ Avgiv eywS h, evsK _K FY wbZ ne Ges
mB FYUvK Kvbvw`b kva KiZ ne bv (!) KviY FY kvai Rb
h BwbwkqwUf `iKvi Ges c_g Aevq h cwikg `iKvi, K
`iKvi, mUv Avgiv AwaKvskB KiZ PvB bv| KvRB Avcbvi Rb
civgk njv, memgq wbRi eq msKvPb Kiv| eq Kieb Avq
Abymvi| dzUvwb `LvZ wMq Kvbv eq Kieb bv| cqvRb Avi
AcPqi mxgviLvUv gb Pjeb| Avcwb FY _K euvPZ cvieb|
ck : `viY A_K AvwQ| FY kva KiZ cviwQ bv| Avgvi fvBqi
jbi eemvqI am bgQ| Kxfve G _K gy nev?
Di : G c_g AvcbvK Avcbvi eZgvb cwiwwZi K_v wPv
KiZ ne h, GLb Avgvi AevbUv Kx Ges GB Aevi cwZ Avwg
Kx KiZ cvwi| hKvbv wec` _K Dvii Rb AbKjv Dcvq
_vKZ cvi; KvbUv Avcwb MnY Kieb, mUv wbfi Kie Avcbvi
weePbvi Ici| A_vr wmvUv Avcbvi nvZ| hLb Avcwb gv_v Vvv
ivLZ cvieb, ZLb Reve Avcbvi gbB AvcbvK ej `e|
Avmj Avgiv Awi nB Kb? fZii Ki KviY| hLb UvKv
_vK bv, wbRi PjZ K nq, cwievi Akvw nq ZLb AwiZvUv
eo hvq| Avi hw` FY _K _vK Zvnj Zv K_vB bBAvcbvi
w`bi Nyg, ivZi Nyg me nvivg nq hve!
334

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

hiKg MvgxY evsKi FYMnxZvivhviv FY cwikva KiZ cvi

bv Zv`i Kx nq? GUv W. mq` kwdDj-vn Zvi ^c I mPZbZv eBq
Dj-L KiQb| KqKUv jvBb nQ GiKg...G`i ga McbZv
[whwb mePq ewk `yt^c `Lb] `Lb h, Zvi IciIqvjv A_vr
gvbRvi ZvK FY Av`vqi Rb mvewYK ZvMv`v w`Qb|
AviKRb m`m ^c `Lb, FY mgqgZv kva KiZ bv cvivq Mci
Ab m`miv Zvi Nii wUb, euvk, KvV BZvw` Rvi Ki wbq MQ|
A_vr FY Avcbvi gvbwmK kvwK cyivcywi b Ki `q| GRb
GB Awi Aevq gvbyl h wmvB bq mUv fyj nq| AZGe
gv_vUvK Vvv Kib, Vvv gv_vq wPv Kib| GRb wbqwgZ
gwWUkb Kib| mePq fvjv nq hw` GKUv wbqZ wbq Uvbv 40 w`b
gwWUkb Kib| `Leb, Avcbvi Kx KiYxqGUv KvDK ej w`Z
ne bv, gb _KB Avcwb wmv cq hveb|

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cvwi bv| wK H UvKv diZ cZwekl Ki abx jvK`i KvQ
_KLyeB K nq| AbKB AvswkK `q, KD GKeviB `q bv|
G avi `qv wK e Ki `ev?
Di : G evcvi wdjvmwdUv Lye wmj nIqv DwPZ| hw` Avcwb gb
Kib, UvKv w`j m diZ `e bvZv UvKv avi `eb bv| Avi hw`
gb Kib ZvK mvnvh Kiv `iKvi, mvnvh wnme `eb| diZi
cZvkv Kieb bv| UvKvI w`jb Avevi UbkbI Kijb`yUv nIqv
DwPZ bv| UvKvI Mj, mKI b njvGgbUv hvZ bv nq|
ck : nvZ GKeviB UvKv bB| AbKi KvQ UvKv cvB, wK Zviv
w`Q bv| Avgvi ck, Avwg Kxfve GB UvKv diZ cZ cvwi?
Di : Avmj GLb AvcbvK wPv KiZ ne h, Avcbvi Kx AvQ
Ges Zv w`q Kxfve Avcbvi DcvRbK evovZ cvib| cvIbv UvKv
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Av`vq Kivi cQb QvUvi Pq UvKv DcvRb Kiv mnR| KviY IUvi
cQb Avcwb h mgq kg I gbvhvM eq Kieb Zv hw` DcvRb
Kivi Rb eq Kib, Zv Zvi Pq ewk DcvRb KiZ cvieb|
Avgiv wK Avmj cvIbv UvKv Av`vqi Pi co hvB| GRb
cvIbv UvKv Av`vqi Pi coeb bv| w`j fvjv, bv w`j Aviv
fvjv| KvRB hLbB eySeb h, UvKvUv AvUK MQ, ZLbB cvIbv
diZ cvIqvi wPv ev` w`q Avq ew Kivi w`K gbvhvM `eb|

ckv hLb FY wbZ DrmvwnZ Kiv

ck : Avcwb Avgv`i FYgy Rxeb MoZ ejQb Ges FYK
wbirmvwnZ KiQb| wK hviv evsK PvKwi Ki Zv`i Kx KiYxq?
KviY h KgKZv hZ ewk jvb bqvZ cvie m ZZ fvjv
cvidigvi, GZ Zvi `Zv cKvk cvq| G Aevq Avgiv wK evsK
PvKwi Kiv _K weiZ _vKev?
Di : GUv GKUv gwjK mgmv| evsK KvR Kieb bvGUv Zv
Avwg ejZ cvwi bv| wK evsK Avcbvi KvR hw` nq AviKRbK
FY wbZ Dy Kiv, wWU KvW wbZ Dy Kiv, Zvnj Avcwb
gvbylK kvlYi Rvj Ave Kivi KvR mivmwi mnhvMx nQb|
bZ Awcq njI GUvB eve| ZvB hw` Gi Pq fvjv KvR Kivi
myhvM Avcbvi _vK, Ze AekB PvKwi cwieZb Kiv DwPZ| KviY
AviKRbK wec` djvGUv Abi Rb hgb wZKi, Zgwb
Avcbvi RbI wZKi| AZGe fewP wmv wbb|
ck : Kvbv GbwRI-Z wd Awdmvi wnme KvR KivK Avcwb
Kxfve `Lb?
Di : bv KivUvKB Avgiv cdvi Kiev| KviY GbwRI-i GKRb
Awdmvi wd jfj Kx KiQb? m`m`i KvQ _K UvKv msMn
KiQb| GB KvRUvK Avmj Lye mvbRbK ej Avgiv gb Kwi bv|
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Avi mvwfm PvRi bvg GKRb y` FYMnxZvi KvQ _K h 30% my`

Av`vq Kiv nqGUv AgvbweK| G welqjv Avgv`i wPv KiZ ne|
Avcwb Gi Pq fvjv PvKwii gbQwe `Lyb| wbqB cq hveb|

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ck : Avw_K FY QvovI Abvb gvbweK mvnvhcvw _K h FY nq
Zv _K gywi wK Dcvq AvQ?
Di : GUv Lye my`i GKUv ck| Avmj gvbweK FY Zv eUB, Avw_K
FYI wK meUv c~iY Kiv hvq? hvq bv| mRbB nzj Bev`| hvi KvQ
Avwg FYx ZvK bv-I cZ cvwi ev Zvi mvnvhi `iKvi bv-I nZ
cvi| wK hv`i mvnvhi cqvRb AvQ Zv`i hb wdwiq bv `B|
nqZv GB Dwmjvq Avj-vn Avgv`i H `bv _K gyw w`Z cvib|
ck : `k-we`ki eo eo wk cwZvb evsK FYi gvag cwZwZ
nQ| ZvQvov evsKi Ici hKvbv `ki A_bwZK KvVvgv
AbKvsk wbfikxj| G Aevq evswKsc_v wbirmvwnZ Ki wek
A_bxwZK Kvb cwZZ Pjvi civgk `eb?
Di : Avwg wK evswKs wbirmvwnZ Kwi wb| Avwg ejwQ FY wbq
Avcwb KLbv DcKZ neb bvmUv evsK jvb, z`FY ev wWU
KvW hv-B nvK| FY _K hZ `~i _vKeb ZZ Avcwb fvjv
_vKeb| Avi evsK Kxfve Pjjv mUv evsKi evcvi| Avcwb FY
bv KijB njv!
ck : Kvbv AevqB wK FY bqv hve bv? ag Kx ej?
Di : Avmj Kvbv AevqB FY bqv hve bv| UvKvi cqvRb nj
Avcbvi fvB ev AvZxqi KvQ _K avi wbZ cvib| wK evsK FY,
z`FY, wWU KvWGjvi ga hveb bv| KviY GKevi hw` Avcwb
Gme FYi ga Rwoq hvb, Avcwb Avi ei nZ cvieb bv| Zv
ce 2 \ mvdj

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Kej evoZB _vKe| hgb, QvUejvq hviv Mvg eo nqQb,

Zv`i AbKB nqZv cvwL wkKvii G LjvUv LjQbGKUv
cvwLK RxweZ ai GKUzLvwb myZv w`q eua ivLv nZv hvZ cvwLUv
A GKUz RvqMvq DoZ cvi| Avevi ZvK LZ `qv nZv hvZ gi
bv hvq| GKUv mgq nqZv cvwLUv gviv hvq, wK Zvi AvM ch
GK`j wKkvii Avb`xovi DcKiY wnmeB m eeZ nq|
FYRRwiZ Rxeb Avmj GiKgB| GKevi FYRRwiZ nq coj
Avcwb boZ PoZ cvieb, kvm wbZ cvieb, GKUz nvmZI cvieb,
wK mUv cvYLyj bq| Avmj mvdj I cvPzhi Rb FY bq,
cqvRb mwVK `wfw| Avgv`i `ki K_vB aib| hw` FY wbq
cwieZb AvmZv Zvnj KvwU KvwU UvKv FY mvnvh bqvi ciI
Avgiv mycvicyIi nq hZvg bv| Avgv`i Pq Lvivc Aev _K i
KiI KZ `k GLb Avgv`i Pq GwMq| Kb? KviY Avgiv Abi
UvKvq KvR Kwi| A_ eqi Avgv`i fvjvi PvBZ ewk iZ
`B `vZvMvxi cQ`i LvZK| dj Avgv`i cew me evBi Pj
hvq| `ki m` Avi evo bv|
we`wk mvnvh msvjvi KvR nQ, bvbvfve Avgv`i FYM
Ki ivLv| Zvnj Avcwb `vm nq _vKebAvcbvi ^vaxbZv _vKe bv,
^vaxbfve K_v ejZ cvieb bv| Avmj wPv ev K_vi ^vaxbZvi
Rb A_bwZK ^vaxbZvUv Lye iZc~Y| A_bwZKfve ^vaxb bv
nj, wbRi Avq DcvRb bv _vKj, mg AwePvi gyL eyR mn Ki
hZ nq| Avgv`i `ki gwnjviv GZ wbhvZb gyL eyR mn Ki
Kb? KviY Zv`i A_bwZK ^vaxbZv bvB| wK h bvix`i ^vaxbZv
AvQ, AvZcwiPq AvQ, Zv`i GZ mnR `wgq ivLv hvq bv|
imyj (m) h KUv wRwbm _K cvbvn& PqQb, Zvi ga GKUv
njvFYM nIqv| KviAvbi wkv nQAvj-vni AbyMn m`
Abymvb Kiv Ges hvKvZ`vZv nIqv| hRye` ejv nqQ, n gvbyl!
^wbfi nI| evBii mvnvhi `vm cwiYZ nqv bv| A_ee` ejv
nqQ, Rxebi cwZwU i me aibi FY _K gy _vKv| FY Ki
wN LvIqv, cZviYv, RyqvGjv nQ agxq wkvi weivax| hw` Avcwb
FYRRwiZ _vKb, Zvnj eySZ ne h, agi wkv Avcwb Abyaveb
Kib wb, ag AbymiYi Pv Avcwb Kib wb|
338

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

cZviYv \

bUIqvwKs/ gvwjfj gvKwUs

ck : GgGjGg ev bUIqvwKs Avgv`i `k AvKlYxq wewbqvM I hye
Kgmsvbi myhvM Ki w`Q| Gme cwZvb KvR Ki AbK wkwZ
hyeK gvUv Ai KwgkbI cvQ; wK Avcwb GLvb RwoZ _vKZ
wbla KiQbGi KviY evLv Kieb wK?
Di : Avmj h bUIqvwKsqi K_v Avcwb ejQb Zv cvvZ
wcivwgW wg bvg cwiwPZ cZviYvi 100 eQii cyibv cwZ| G
aibi cwZvbjvi g~j KvR nQ bZyb m`m fwZ Ges ZvK K`
Ki A_i Av`vb-c`vb| GLvb cZK m`m fwZi mgq GKwU wbw`
cwigvY wd w`Q| Avevi m hLb bZzb m`m hvMvo KiQ ZLb m
GKwU wbw` cwigvY Kwgkb cvQ| GB Kwgkbi UvKv AvmQ bZyb
m`miv fwZi mgq h wd c`vb KiQ mLvb _K|
eemvwqK gWj wnme bUIqvwKs h e_ nZ eva Zv ew`b
AvMB cgvwYZ nqQ| Gi KviY nQ, cwZwU mgvRB G aibi
cwZvbi m`m nZ AvMnx ev Avw_Kfve mg gvbyli msLv
mxwgZ| GKwU mgq AvmeB hLb cwZvb GKwU w_Zvbv Aevq
cuQe, fwZ Kivi gZv bZzb KvDK LuyR cvIqv hve bv| Avi cyibv
m`m`i Kwgkb hnZz AvmQ bZzb m`m`i fwZ wd _K, hviv GB
w_Zvbv Aevi wKQyUv AvM m`m nqQ, Zviv KD Kvbv Kwgkb
cve bv| eis wbRiv h wd w`q fwZ nqQ Zv-I nvive|
hw`I G aibi wgjvi AbK ic AvQ, Zey AvjvPbvi
myweav_ aib, Avcwb wZb nvRvi UvKv w`q GKwU cwZvb fwZ
njb| cwZvbi wbqg nQ, `ynvZ `yRb bZzb m`m fwZ KiZ
cvij Avcwb `o nvRvi UvKv Kwgkb cveb| AZGe fwZ nIqvi
Rb h cwigvY A_ eq Kijb Zvi mgcwigvY A_ DcvRb KiZ
nj AvcbvK PviRb fwZ KiZ ne|
GLb gb Kib, c_g i Avcbvi gZv gvU cuvPRb fwZ nqQ|
Avcbviv cZKB PviRb Ki fwZ Kij wZxq ii m`m msLv
ce 2 \ mvdj

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msLv ne 80 Rb| Gfve PjZ _vKj PZy`k i m`m msLv nZ
ne 33 KvwUi ewkevsjv`ki RbmsLvi wYiI ewk!
m`k i Gm m`m msLv nZ ne `ynvRvi KvwUi ewk, A_vr
cw_exi RbmsLvi Pq wZbY ewk! AZGe eemvwqK gWj wnme
GwU KZLvwb Avqx Zv mnRB evSv hvq| evsjv`k wZb nvRvi UvKv
wewbqvM KiZ AvMnx jvKi msLv Gi Pq AbK Kg| hw` 50
jI nq, ZviciI GKv`k ii ci bZzb m`m LuyR cvIqv hve bv|
dj GKv`k i h 50 jvwaK m`m iqQb Zviv cZK
wZM neb| A_vr gvU m`mi wZb PZz_vskB wZM neb| j
Kib, hLbB w_Zvbv Aevq cuQvK bv Kb, kli ii cZKB
cyiv UvKvUv nviveb| hnZz cZK i m`mmsLv Gi AvMi ii
PviY, cZK B gvU m`mi cvq wZb PZz_vsk wZM neb|
G D`vniYwUZ Avgiv ai wbqwQ, cZK m`m PviRb bZzb
m`m hvMvo Kie| hw`I c_g `yGK ii m`miv cZK Aviv
ewk m`m hvMvo Kie Ges cwZvb Aviv `Z w_Zvbv Aevq
cuQve; wZM m`mi AbycvZI eo hve| mviK_v GwUB h, G
aibi eemvq jvfevb nb ZvivB hviv Icii `yyGKwU i _vKb,
A_vr D`vv ev cZviK Mvw| Avi wZM nq mvaviY gvbyl|
cw_exi wewfb `k wewfb mgq GB bUIqvwKs ev wcivwgW wgi
KviY j j gvbyl wZM nqQ| 2008 mvji bf^i gvmi 12
ZvwiL ek KqKwU wcivwgW wgi ami ci Kjw^qvi cvv,
UygvKv, ccvqvb I mvUvWi ` KzBwjPvI kni `vv Qwoq co|
nvRvi nvRvi gvbyl DPnvi jvfi jvf Gme wg wewbqvM
KiwQjv| Kvbv AvBbi wbqY bv _vKvq KqK eQi ai wgjv
AwbqwZfve ew cvq| kl ch RbMYi wevfi gyL Kjw^qv
miKvi `k A_bwZK Riwi Aev NvlYv KiZ eva nq Ges
cZviK`i MdZvi Ki cwZvbjvK e Ki `q|
eZgvb Avjewbqv Awjqv evwRj eyjMwiqv KvbvWv Pxb Kjw^qv
dv Rvgvwb nvwi AvBmjv Bivb BUvwj Rvcvb gvjqwkqv gwKv
bcvj b`vijv wbDwRjv biIq wdwjwc cvjv cZyMvj
igvwbqv kxjsKv myBRvijv _vBjv hyiv hyivR I mvD_
340

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

AvwdKvmn weki AbK `kB Kvbv cY ev mev c`vb Qvov aygv

Kwgkbi wewbgq KvqU hvMvo AvBbMZfve wbwl|
Avgv`i `kI wK bUIqvwKs eemv bZzb bq| 1997 mvj c_g
wRwRGb bvg GKwU bUIqvwKs Kvvwb Gjv evsjv`k| Avgvi
GLbv gb AvQ, PMvg cwiwPwZ mfv ne| AvMvev` nvUj XyKwQ|
GK MvRyqU nVvr Gm ejjv, iRx, Avmmvjvgy AvjvBKzg| GKUv eo
KvR hvwQ, `vqv Kieb| ZLb Zv MvRyqU Kg wQjv, K_v ejvi
myhvM wQjv, Avi Avwg GKUz AvMI wMqwQjvg| wRm Kijvg, Kx
KvR? m ejjv, wRwRGb| RvbZ PvBjvg, GUv Avevi Kx wRwbm?
Avwg ZLbv G mK wb wb| m mewKQy Lyj ejjv|
wRwRGb nQ M-vevj MvwRqvb bUIqvKGfve KvR Ki| Avwg
hnZz mvsevw`KZv KiZvg, AvgwiKvZ G aibi cZviYvi duv`i
K_v ew`b AvMB bwQ| Avwg ejjvg, Zvgvi gv-evev AbK bK
KvR KiwQjb wbqB, mRb ILvb hvevi AvM Avgvi mv_ Zvgvi
`Lv nqQ| UvKvcqmv `vI wb Zv? ejjv, bv, w`Z hvwQ| ejjvg,
Zvnj Avi Rgv w`I bv| Zzwg Lye fvMevb| cZvwiZ nIqv _K euP
Mj| m Avi UvKv Rgv `q wb|
ci bjvg, Avgv`i MvRyqU`i ga KD KD XvKv _K
wPUvMvs Pj MQ KvqU hvMvoi Rb| Zviv ejQ, iRxi ^c
mevB cvPzhevb ne| wRwRGb GB ^c evevqbi Rb GmQ| Avevi
Zviv ej w`qQ, hb Avgvi KvQ ch K_v bv Avm| LuvR jvMvjvg,
GK GK Ki mevBK wRm Kijvg| ejjvg, `L evev, GB
bUIqvwKs, GgGjGgGjv nQ cZviYv| Zvgiv `yB eQii ga
eySZ cvie KZ eo cZviYvi wkKvi nqQv| GKRb ejjv, iRx,
Avcwb Zv BKvbwgKm-Gi Qv bv, eySeb bv Gi Kx mvebv! `Leb
GB UvKvq Avwg gwWUkbi Rb GqviKbwWkbW nj evbvev| mB
nj gwWUkb Kiev, Avcwb Avmeb gwWUkb KivZ|
Avwg ejjvg h, gwWUkb nj hviv evbvbvi, Zviv GgwbB evbve,
Zv`i wRwRGb Kivi cqvRb ne bv| Avgiv mvsMVwbKfve wmv
wbjvg h, wRwRGb-Gi mv_ h _vKe dvDkb _K ZvK ewnvi
Kiv ne| wbixn gvbyli m cZviYvq dvDkbi KvDK mnhvwMZv
KiZ `ev bv| `yeQii gv_vq Avgv`i AviK MvRyqU Gm Lei
ce 2 \ mvdj

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w`jv h, mB wRwRGbIqvjv ewnZ MvRyqU RxweKvi Rb GLb evm

evm dwi Ki Kjg, Ljbv BZvw` wew KiQ|
GB nQ wRwRGbj j gvbyl cZvwiZ nqQ| GLb Avgv`i
`k hme bUIqvwKs, gvwjfj gvKwUs cwZvb KvR KiQ
Gjv meB wRwRGb-Gi f~Z| hLb bUIqvwKs kUvi e`bvg nq
Mj, wRwRGb e_ njvZvici wbDIq evsjv`k, ZbPsAviv
AbK bvg GKB aibi cwZvb MwVZ nqQ|
ck : Avcwb evanq Rvbb bv Gme cwZvb cYmev `q| mLvb
wewbqvM Ki gybvdv jvfi myhvM AvQ ..........
Di : hnZz ay Kwgkbi wewbgq KvqU hvMvo cZviYvi gvag
wnme cwiwPZ Ges weki cwZwU mPZb `kB Aea, ZvB AvBbi
PvL Govbvi Rb g~j eemvi mv_ Kvbv cY ev mev Ryo w`q
GK gvwjfj gvKwUsqi ic `qv nq| A_vr bZyb m`m
hvMvoi cvkvcvwk Avcwb Kvbv cY ev wewbqvM cwiKbv wew
KiQb A_ev bZyb m`miv AvcvZ`wZ ay fwZ wd w`Q bv, Zviv
Kvbv cY wKbQ, KvwPs mUvi, KwDUvi cwkY K` Qv
wnme fwZ nQ A_ev `xNgqv`x cwiKbvq wewbqvM KiQ hvi
gybvdv 10/12/15 eQi ci cvevi K_v|
Gme cY ev mev Avmj kvK w`q gvQ XvKvi gZv A_vr g~j
bUIqvwKs eemvK Avovj Kivi AcPv gv| GKUz Lei wbjB
RvbZ cvieb, `yB nvRvi Qvi KwDUvi cwkY K` KwDUvi
iqQ 10wU wKsev KvwPs mUvi wkKi bvgi ZvwjKvq AbK eo
eo bvg _vKjI eve Zv`i Kvbv mvvr bB, Kvmi e`j Qviv
me bZzb Qv fwZ KiZ e| A_ev h cwZvb ejQ, MvQ
wewbqvM Ki GKUv wbw` mgq ci cPzi gybvdv cvIqv hve, H Aj
H cwZvbi Kvbv MvQ Zv `~ii K_v, wbR^ Kvbv RwgB bB|
hviv eemv mK wKQyUv njI Rvbb, Zviv mnRB eySZ
cvieb wecYbi gWj wnme gvwjfj gvKwUs gvUB jvfRbK
ev djcm~ bq| c_gZ, eemvq jvf Kivi Rb cYi Pvwn`v mK
aviYv _vKv `iKvi| aib, Avcwb kvy wew KiQb evZj cwZ
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100 UvKv| eve `ywbqvq hKvbv cwZvb PyjPiv wnmve Ki ei

Kivi Pv Kie 100 UvKv g~ji H kvyi Pvwn`v KZ| KviY
Pvwn`vi Pq ewk cY hw` evRvi Qvov nq, Zvnj weZviv wew
KiZ cvie bv| cY co _vKe, cwZvb wZM ne| wK
GgGjGg cwZZ cYi Pvwn`v Abyhvqx hvMvb `qvi h ^vfvweK
wbqg AvQ mUv gvbvi hb Kvbv cqvRb bB| Aviv Aviv ewk
cY mieivn KiZ, weZv wbqvM KiZ Zv`i Kvbv wav bB|
wZxqZ, ^vfvweKfveB Drcv`bKvix I Zvi ga weZv ev
wWwweDUii hZjv i _vKe, Drcv`Ki gybvdv ZZ Kg hve|
AZGe cqvRbi AwZwi weZv Kvbv Kvvwbi PvIqvi K_v bq|
wK GgGjGg Kvvwbjv mwUB KiQ|
ck nQ, Kb? Di GKwUBZv`i Dk cY wew Ki gybvdv
Kiv bq, DkhZ ewk me m`mi fwZ wd ev wewbqvM wbq
KU cov| G KviY hyivi dWvij UW Kwgkb Lye cwivifve
ejQ, hw` Kvbv eemvwqK cve Avcbvi Avqi g~j Drm nq cY
wewi cwieZ ay bZyb m`m/ wWwweDUi hvMvo Kiv, Ze ZvZ
RwoZ bv nIqvB fvjv| Kvvwbjv hZB ejyK h, kli w`Ki
ewivI jvfevb neb, cKZc Zv Aeve|
cZviKiv hLb `L h, h_ bZzb wewbqvMKvix bB, cyibv`i
Kwgkbi UvKv IVvbv hvQ bv, ZLb Zviv UvKv wbq mi co,
wKQyw`b ci bZzb gyLvk Avwef~Z nq| fviZ bcvj kxjv Ges
hyivR hyiv Pxb myBWb cvjvmn weki 52wU `k GgGjGg
cwZZ cY wecYb wbwl| cZviYvi `vq 2011 mvj weki enr
GgGjGg Kvvwb ej `vwe`vi GgIq-i me Kvhg e Ki
w`qQ fviZ miKvi|
1941 mvj Kvwjdvwbqvi GKwU AcPwjZ wfUvwgb wecYb c_g
GgGjGg cwZ eeZ nq| ewkifvM GgGjGg KvvwbB Lv`i
cwic~iK, ejeaK, m`heaK, IRbnvmKvix BZvw` cY eQ bq|
me `kB G RvZxq Kvvwbi eemvwqK Kkj njv, ewMZ
mKi wekvmK cyuwR Kiv| A_vr AvZxq^Rb I ezeveK
evwYwRKfve eenvi Kivhv`i c cYi YvY ev g~j hvPvBqi
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ew`i eemvqi Askx`vi Kiv, kxl chvqi ew`i gvwmK
DcXKb `qv Ges miKvi bv PvBjI ma wMq eo eo xovbyvb I
mvswZK Abyvbi i nIqv BZvw`| Avgv`i `k mcwZ hme
GgGjGg Kvvwbi wei cZviYvi AwfhvM DVQ Zv`i
KgKvi K_v gb Kib| ZvivI wK GmeB KiQ|
KvRB hUvK Avcwb ejQb cYmevZv Avmj cZviYvi Pvj
Qvov Avi wKQyB bq| Avi wewbqvM Ki gybvdv? c_gw`K `yqKUv
wKwi UvKv w`q AvcbvK nqZv Aviv wewbqvM AvK Kie, Zvici
GKmgq Avg-Qvjv `yUv wbqB mUK coe Iiv|
mB nvRvi Mi gZv| nvRv GKevi Zvi GK cwZekxi KvQ
_K GKUv nuvwo Pq Avbjb ivbvi Rb| KqKw`b ci diZ
`qvi mgq H nuvwoUvi mv_ Aviv GKUv QvU nuvwo hLb w`Z Mjb,
cwZekx Zv AevK| wRm Kijv, nvRv, `yUv nuvwo w`Qv h|
nvRv ejjb, Zvgvi nuvwo ZvgvK `ev bv Zv KvK `ev?
cwZewk ejjv, Avgvi nuvwo! Avwg Zv GKUv nuvwo w`qwQ| nvRv
ejjb, Zv wVK AvQ| wK nuvwoUv GKUv evPv w`qQ wK bv! gv
nuvwoUv hnZz Zvgvi, KvRB Gi evPvUvI Zv ZvgviB ne| ZvB bv?
cwZekx Zv LywkZ AvULvbv| Avmj GKUv nuvwo w`q `yUv
cvIqvq m GZB w`wMw`K vbk~b nq cowQjv h, nuvwo Kxfve
evPv `qG ck Zvi gb GjvB bv| KqKw`b ci nvRv Aveviv Zvi
evwoZ Mjb nuvwo avi PvBZ| Gevi cwZekx ek AbKjv nuvwo
awiq w`jv nvRvi nvZ| gb gb fvejv, Bm, Gevi cZKUv nuvwoi
mv_ cvev GKUv Ki evPv nuvwo!
Gw`K nuvwo Zv Avi diZ Avm bv| AbKw`b Acv Ki Ki
klgk cwZekx GKw`b nvRvi KvQ wMq Zvi nuvwojv diZ
PvBjv| gyL Lye evRvi Ki nvRv ejjb, `ytLi K_v Kx Avi ejev
fvB| Kvj ivZ evPv w`Z wMq Zvgvi nuvwojv gviv MQ|
cwZekx ejjv, nuvwo Avevi gi Kxfve? nvRv Di w`jv, nuvwo
evPv `q hfve| A_vr h nuvwo evPv w`Z cvi, m nuvwo Zv gvivI
hZ cvi| klch KvRxi `ievi wMqI cwZekx Kvbv myweav
KiZ cvijv bv| KvRxI ZvK wRm Kijb, Gi AvM nuvwo wK
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KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

evPv w`qwQjv? cwZekx ejjv, nuv| KvRx ejjb, Zvnj h nuvwoi

evPv `qvi K_v Zzwg wbRB wekvm KiQv, m nuvwo gvivI hZ cvi
mUvI Zv ZvgvK gb wbZ ne|
AZGe mvgvb GKUz `LB wekvm Kieb bv ev gZvgZ `eb bv|
cyivUv `Lyb, Rvbyb, eySzb, Zvici wmv beb|
ck : hviv bv Rb GgGjGg hy nqQ Zviv GLb Kx KiZ cvi?
Zviv wK wWjviwkc wew Ki w`q wewQb ne?
Di : hw` bv Rb cZviYvi mv_ hy nq _vKb mK Q` KivUvB
Dg| hZ ZvovZvwo Q` KiZ cvieb, ZZ cZviK nIqv _K euP
hveb| gb ivLeb, cZviKi cwiYwZ memgqB AZ KiY| Zv`i
Kviv RxebB kvw bB|
Avcbviv mevB cwKvq coQb gvwKb abKzei evbvW gvWd-Gi
K_v h 2008 mvji 11 wWm^i Avw_K cZviYvi `vq MdZvi nq|
w` BKvbwg cwKv Zv`i 18 wWm^i 2008-Gi BmyZ gvWd
vvjK AwfwnZ Ki kZvxi miv cZviYv wnme| GKK
cwiPvjbvq mePq eo wewbqvM msv cZviYvi bvqK gvWd nvRvi
nvRvi wewbqvMKvixK cZvwiZ Ki| kqvi cZviYv, gBj I B-gBj
cZviYv, gvwb jvwis, cviRyqvwi (wePvivaxb Kvbv welq kc_ Ki
wg_v ejv), cw wg Pvjvbvmn wewfb A_ msv RvwjqvwZ Pvwjq
hvq KqK `kK ai|
cw wg kwU cwiwPZ nq Pvjm cw bvg GK cZviKi
wewbqvM eemvi gvag| G eemvq wewbqvMKvix`i AvKlYxq nvi
gybvdv `qv nq Zv`iB wewbqvM A_ev bZzb wewbqvMKZ A_ _K,
Kvbv gybvdv _K bq| bZzb wewbqvMKvix`i AvKlY Kivi GwU
GKwU duv`| KviY cw wg h gvUv Ai jfvsk `qv nq, Zv
wbqwgZ Pvwjq hZ memgq A_i GKUv cevn cqvRb| ZvB bZzb
wewbqvMKvixiv hvZ wewbqvMi UvKv diZ bv bq, mRb Zv`iK
`qv nq `xNgqv`x bZyb bZzb me wewbqvM Advi|
abKzei evbvW ji gvWd hyivi GKRb KvwUcwZ eemvqx
wnme cwiwPZ wQjv| evev wQjv Bw` KvVwgw; ci KevKvi nq|
ce 2 \ mvdj

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22 eQi eqm gvWd gv cuvP nvRvi Wjvi cuywR wbq eemv i Ki|
1960 mvj IqvjwU wfwK dvg evbvW Gj gvWd BbfgUm
wmwKDwiwUR cwZv Ki Ges 2008 mvji 11 wWm^i MdZvi
nIqvi AvM ch m Gi Pqvigvb wQjv| Lye Kg mgq gvWd
IqvjwU mdj eemvqx wnme mybvg ARb Ki| GB mvdji m~
aiB GKw`b m AvgwiKvi mePq eo K GP bvR`vK&-Gi
Pqvigvb nq|
gvWdi wekl GKwU Y njvm Lye Kzkjx wQjv, mnRB wewfb
cwZvb I evsK _K Zvi gj`i A_ nvwZq wbZv| cZvwiZ G
fyfvMx`i `xN ZvwjKvq iqQb LvwZgvb I wewjIwbqvi AbK
ew| hgb, wbDBqK gUm evUej wUgi gvwjK, wfb wjevM,
96 eQi eqmx Kw`s gvMbU Kvj kvwciv, hvi 545 wgwjqb Wjvi
nvwZq wbqwQjv gvWd| bvej kvw cyivi cvIqv Gwj DBRj
jwM Kib Zvi cyivii GK KvwU 52 jvL Wjvi| ay wewk ewivB
bb, eo eo evwYwRK cwZvbKI gvWd Zvi cZviYvi duv` dj|
vwbk evsK evv mvbZv`vi Zv`i myBm Kvvwbjvi 300
wgwjqb Wjvi nvwiqQ| weK wewbqvM cwZvb dqviwd wMbDBPGi wewbqvM Kgc mvo mvZ wewjqb Wjvi| ekwKQy Bw` `vZe
msMVb GLb e nIqvi c_| G ZvwjKvq AvQb nvRviiI ewk
Aemicv abevb ew| GgbwK Zvi GKv fvKvx ey`iI m
ev` `q wb cZviYv _K|
GB gvWdi GLb Kx Aev? wejvmej evwo, Mvwo, cgv`Zix
iL 74 eQi eqm GLb KvivRxeb fvM KiQ| 11wU gvgjv wQjv
Zvi weihvi cwZwU RvwjqvwZ, A_ AvZmvr Avi A_ cvPvii|
hyivi Av`vjZ ZvK 150 eQii Kviv` w`qQ| kZvx miv G
cZviYvq wewbqvMKvix`i 65 wewjqb Wjvi Avw_K wZ nqQ hv
Avgv`i UvKvq 53 nvRvi KvwU UvKv| Av`vjZi fvlvqm Pig
wekvmfi Aciva KiQ|
cZviYvi djvdj Kgb kvPbxq nqZv gvWdi cwievi _KB
evSv hvq| nvRvi nvRvi gvbylK cZviYvi duv` djjI m wbR
duv` co ZviB mvb`i nvZ| evevi Gme AcKxwZi K_v wbRiv
Rvbvi ciB Zv cKvk Ki `q dWvij KZcK| Gi ci ciB m
346

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

MdZvi nq| gvWdi fvwZRv iRvi gvWd 2006 mvji Gwcj gv

32 eQi eqm e-vW Kvvi gviv hvq| gviv hvIqvi AvM ej MQ,
gvWdi iK Awfkvc `qv DwPZ| e-vW Kvvi wbq wUK AvQ
gvWdi fvB wcUvi| gvWdi Qj Gy-i Kvvii wPwKrmv PjQ|
evbvWi AviK fvwZRv e Zvi gqi e-vW Kvvii wPwKrmv wbq|
cyiv cwievi Kvvi XyK MQ| kZvx miv G cZviYvi Lei duvm
nIqvi ci gvWdi xI wewZ, m-I wbRK cZvwiZ gb KiQ|
Avmj kke kvbv mB Qv K_vwU memgq gb ivLebjvf
cvc, cvc gZz| cZviYvi Avkq bv wbq Avcwb gvbyli KjvY
cwikg Kib| Avcbvi Rxeb cvPzh I mvdj Avme mnR
^ZtZfve|
ck : Avwg wRwRGb RvZxq GKwU cwZvbi g^vi nIqvi Rb ek
gvUv Ai UvKv w`qwQ, wewbgq Zviv AbK myweav `e GB kZ|
cieZxZ wMq `wL Awdm DavI| Avwmg KvRgx bvg GK cvwKvwb
GB cwZvbi wWii| Zvi mv_ Avgvi h PzwcwU nqQ, Zv-I
AvQ Avgvi KvQ| Gme wbq Avgvi evev I cwievii m`miv Avgvi
Ici z| Avcbvi `vqv I Dc`k Kvgbv KiwQ|
Di : Avcwb Pzw Ki UvKvcqmv w`q GLb Avgvi Dc`k Kvgbv
KiQb| GLb Avwg AvcbvK Kx Dc`k `ev? Avi w`q jvfUvB ev
Kx ne? memgq UvKvcqmv `qvi AvM fveeb, civgk Kieb| ci
bq| QvZv nvZQvov Ki KLbv Avwg Kvi Lvjy nZ hveb bv|
MUv GiKgMvgi fvqivevwoZ eovZ wMq nvUi wfo `uvwoq
cwiwPZ KvDK LyuRwQjb GK f`jvK| nVvr D`q njv my`i Pnvivi
GK hyeK| j^v mvjvg w`q Ggb Avcb fwZ m K_v ejZ jvMjv,
hb AbK w`bi Pbv| f`jvK wKQyUv weeZ nqB wRm Kijb,
Zzwg K evcy? ZvgvK Zv wVK wPbjvg bv| m ejjv, wPbjb bv
Lvjy? Avwg Zv Avcbvi fvM| Avcwb Avgvi Lvjy nb| f`jvK
fvejb, fvqivi Mvg hnZy, ne evanq fvM-UvM|
Gi ga QjwU ejjv, Avwg _vKZ Avcwb Kb K Ki QvZv
aiQb Lvjy? AvgvK w`b, Avwg aiwQ| f`jvK fvejb, Avnv! QjUv
ce 2 \ mvdj

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w`jb| wKQyY ci nVvr cQb ZvwKq `Lb, QjwU bB|
AbKY `uvovjb| Zv-I `Lv bB| GLb LuyReb h, m DcvqI Zv
bB| bvgavg wKQy wRm Kib wb| klgk nvUi gvSLvb `uvwoq
PuPvZ jvMjb, Avwg Kvi Lvjy i! Avwg Kvi Lvjy i! wK fvM
cwiPqi mB cZviK Zv ZZY cMvi cvi!
A_vr Kvbv wewbqvM Kievi AvM Lye fvjvfve LuvRLei wbq,
hvPvB Ki Zvici UvKv `eb| KviY UvKv `qvi mgq Avcbvi Kvbv
mgmv ne bv| mgmv ne UvKvUv Zvjvi mgq| Avmj GgGjGgi
GB cZviYvjvi ewkB njvGiv wKQyw`b GK bvg eemv Ki|
UvKvcqmv nvwZq bqvi ci RbMY Ges AvBb kLjv KZc hLb
mie nq, ZLb KqKw`b Mv XvKv w`q Avevi Giv bZzb bvg bZzb
Kkj wbq Avwef~Z nq| hgb, 2001-02-G wRwRGb Gjv| cZviYv
duvm nIqvi ci Zv`i eemv e njv| wK Ab bvg Gjv bZzb
bZzb GgGjGg|
Zgwb GKwU GgGjGg njv BDwbcUzBD2009 mvji Avei
hviv eemv i Ki 10 gvm wewbqvMKvix`i wY jvf `qv
neGgb jvf `wLq| Avi ej, GUv Zviv Kie AvRvwZK evRvi
^Yi eemv Ki| 2011 mvji c_g bvMv` hLb evsjv`k evsK
Zv`i Kvhgi evcvi mPZb nq, ZZw`b Zviv Qq jvL gvbyli
KvQ _K wbq wbqQ GK nvRvi KvwU UvKv| cY bB, Kvbv
wewbqvM bB, ZviciI eemvi bvg Ki GKwU cwZvb Kxfve GZ
UvKv msMn KiZ cvi? G cki Di njvAvcbvi gZv mij wKQy
gvbyli Avwg Kvi Lvjy nq hvIqvi wbeywZv| AZGe civgk memgq
AvM PvBeb| LuvRLei AvM beb| ci bq|
ck : Avgvi ezK hZB GgGjGg-Gi evcvi mveavb Kivi Pv
KiwQ, m wKQyZB bQ bv| m ej, GUv AbK jvfRbK wewbqvM|
Zgb cwikg bv KiB AbK Avq Kiv hvq| ZvK Kxfve evSvev?
Di : Avmj hv`i A cwikg ewk jvfi jvf, dvKU cvIqvi
BQvZviv vbxi K_vi Pq kvlKi K_vq, cZviKi K_vq ewk
348

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cfvweZ nq, GUvB ^vfvweK| G wbq GKwU weLvZ M AvQ|

GKevi GK wkKvwi Qv GKwU cvwL ai djjv| cvwLwU Lye
eywgvb wQjv| cvwLwU wkKvwii Lye cksmv KiZ jvMjv h, Zzwg
GZeo wkKvwi! Rxeb AbK evN giQv, AbK fvj-yK giQv, GB
KiQv, mB KiQv| Avwg GKUv Qv cvwL, Avgvi IRb 100 MvgI
bv, AvgvK Lq Zzwg Kx Kie? AvgvK Lj Zv Zvgvi cUi
GKUv KvbvI fie bv| Zvi Pq eis AvgvK Qo `vI| ZvgvK
Ggb wZbwU g~jevb evYx kvbvev hv Zvgvi mvivRxeb KvR jvMe|
Ggbfve m K_vevZv ejwQjv h wkKvwii gb Mj Mj| KviY
Zj cZ mevB cQ` Ki| AviKRbK Mjvbvi mePq mnR
Dcvq nQ Zj| m fe `Ljv, wVKB Zv| GZ QvU cvwL Lq
Kvbv jvf bB| Zvi Pq wb, cvwLUv Kx ejZ Pvq| nqZv GZ
Avgvi jvf ewk ne|
wkKvwi ivwR nIqvq cvwLwU ejjv, Avwg c_g evKwU ejev
Zvgvi nvZi Ici em, wZxq evKwU ejev GB MvQi Wvj em,
ZZxq evKwU ejev MvQi gMWvj em| wkKvwi ejjv, wVK AvQ|
cvwL ejjv, KLbv AjxK Kbv Kiv bv, hv Aeve mUv KLbv
wekvm Kiv bv| wkKvwi ejjv, Lye wVK K_v| mwZB ZvB| KLbv
Aeve K_vq wekvm KiZ bB|
cvwL ejjv, Gevi AvgvK MvQi Wvj hZ `vI| Avwg wZxq
evKwU ejev| wkKvwi Qo w`jv| MvQi Wvj DV cvwL ejjv, hv
nvZQvov nq Mj Zv wbq KLbv Avdmvm Kiv bv| wkKvwi ejjv,
GUvI wVK| hv Avi Avgvi bB, Zv wbq Avdmvm Kiv Zv evKvwg|
cvwL Gevi gMWvj DVjv| wkKvwi ejjv, Gevi ZZxq Dc`kwU
ej| cvwL ejjv, ZZxqwU ejvi AvM `L wbB, AvMi `ywU Dc`ki
wkv Zvgvi Rxeb KvR jvwMqQv wK bv| cvwLwU ejjv, Avgvi
cU AvQ 200 Mvg IRbi GKwU gyv|
b wkKvwi Lye Avdmvm i Kijv| nvq nvq! G Kx Kijvg Avwg!
Gfve nvZQvov Kijvg abx nIqvi GZ mnR myhvM! ejB cvwLK
aivi e_ Pvq Icii w`K jvdvZ jvMjv| wK cvwL Zv ZLb
gMWvj| m nvmjv| ejjv, `L, Avwg AvMB ejwQjvg, Aeve
K_v KLbv wekvm Kiv bv| Avgvi IRbB 100 Mvg| Avgvi fZi
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200 Mvgi gyv _vKe Kxfve? ejwQjvg, hv nvZQvov nq Mj Zv

wbq KLbv Avdmvm Kiv bv| wK Zywg Zv-B KiQv| ZvgvK Avi
Kvbv Dc`k `qv A_nxb| KviY AwaKvsk gvbyli gZv ZzwgI
Dc`k Kvb w`q bQv| wK Zv _K wkv bvI wb| Zvgvi gZv
evKv I jvfx`i KviYB cZviKiv cZviYv Kivi myhvM cvq|
ZvB hZw`b ch Avcbvi ezi `wfw cwiewZZ bv nQ, ZZw`b
wZwb cZvwiZ neb| Avcwb mveavb Ki Avcbvi `vwqZ cvjb KiQb,
evwKUzKz Zvi Ici Qo w`b|
ck : mw`b GKwU GgGjGg cwZvbi D`vvi mv_ Avgvi K_v
njv| LyeB f` gvbyl| c-vb hv `wLqQ Zv-I Avgvi Lvivc jvM wb|
Di : hZ cZviK AvR ch hZ c-vb `wLqQ, Kvbv c-vb wK
Lvivc? Lvivc c-vb wK KD `Lvq KLbv? gb ivLeb, cZviK`i
K_v memgq wgw nq| Zv bv nj Zviv cZviYv KiZ cviZv bv|
dvi RvZxq cZxK AvBdj UvIqviI wZbevi wew nq wMqwQjv|
GKB jvK wZbevi wZbRbi KvQ mUv wew KiQ| cZviK`i K_v
wgw bv nj wK GUv me nZv? Avi UvKv `qvi mgq KLbvB Kvbv
Amyweav nq bv, Amyweav nq diZ bqvi mgq|
GKwU Qji NUbv byb Zvi RevwbZB
GmGmwm cixvi ci ezevei cvj-vq co Lye LiP nq
DVwQjvg| Avwg Mvg _vKZvg| Gi gaB WmwUwbi K_v bjvg|
cuvP nvRvi UvKvq fwZ nq j UvKv BbKvg| kni Gm I`i
Awdmi mvRmv, wkwZ jvKRbmewKQy `L Lye cfvweZ njvg|
mwgbvi `Lvi ci Aviv jvf njv| gv-evevi wbla bv b eemv
i Kijvg| mLvb _K hvM w`jvg AviKUv GgGjGg
KvvwbZ| ILvbKvi jvK`i fvlvq wg_vK ejv nq UKwbK|
Giv mvaviY gvbyl, Qv, hyeK-hyeZx`i Ggbfve wg_v cjvfb
`wLq fwZ Kivq hv Awekvm| cwZw`b 18 Nv Ki KvR KiZvg|
Qq gvm BbKvg Kijvg GK j 50 nvRvi UvKv| wK Avgvi Nyg,
LvIqv, ckvw me b nq Mj| Gw`K GK eQi ci ^qs KvvwbB
nvIqv| mevB Gm aijv AvgvK| GjvKvq Avgvi evevi Lye mybvg
350

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

wQjv| mevB Gm ZvK ejZ jvMjv, Avcbvi Qj Avgv`iK

GgGjGg-G RwoqQ| GLb Avgv`i UvKv PvB| klgk gvqi me
Mqbv wew Ki Zv`i UvKv kva KiZ njv|
KvRB eySZB cviQb, AvcvZZ Gme c-vb hZB fvjv jvK,
AvLi fvMvw Qvov Avi wKQy bB|
ck : evsjv`k GgGjGg eemvq WmwUwb ek mdj wnme `Lv
hvQ| KD BbfvBU Kij wK GB eemvq nvZ `qv hve? Rvbvj
DcKZ nev| [ckwU WmwUwb wbq mvwZK AwfhvMi AvM Kiv,
DiUvI m mgqiB| A_vr h mZKZvi K_v KvqvUvg AvMB
ejQ, mgqi eeavb Zv-B mwVK ej cgvwYZ nqQ]
Di : Avcbvi ck b gb nQAvcwb hb GKevi UvKvcqmv
wQq wbq em AvQb, KD BbfvBU Kivgv Suvwcq coeb| Avmj
cwikg bv Ki dvKU jvf Kivi ceYZv _K gvbyl GfveB wec`
co| dvKU KLbv wKQy cvIqv hvq bv| Avi cjI Zv KjvY eq
Avb bv KLbv| Avcwb gb KiQb h, Lye jvfRbK wnme `Lv
hvQ| GLb _K cuvP/ mvZ eQi AvM AviKwU cwZvb wQjv|
AvBwUwmGj| mUvI Lye jvfRbK `Lv wMqwQjv| Zvici hyeK
wQjv| mUvI Lye jvfRbK wQjv| hviv Gjvi LuvRLei ivL Zv`i
KvQ _K Rb beb h, GLb G`i Kx Aev|
AvMi GKwU Di Avgiv evbvW gvWd bvg cvvZi GKRb
cZviKi cZviYvi wevwiZ ejwQ| Zvi cwZvb 65 wewjqb Wjvi
gvb 650 KvwU Wjvi wewbqvM Kiv nqwQjv| hviv wewbqvM KiQ
Zvi ga BDivci wZbwU evsK AvQ| bvej cyivi cqQb
GiKg KqKRb AvQb hviv Zv`i bvej cyivii mg A_ ZvK
w`qwQjb| ejvevj, gvWdi cwZvbK jvfRbK ev ek mdj
wnmve `LB wK Zviv G wewbqvM KiQb| GLb gvWdi Kx Aev?
gv 150 eQii Rj nqQ! 65 wewjqb Wjvi A_vr 650 KvwU Wjvi
nvIqv nq MQ| hZRb hv wKQy wewbqvM KiwQjv Zvi meB nvIqv|
Avwg Zv ay AevK nB, wevcb MvQi Qwe `L KZRb UvKv
w`qQb! LuvR wbq `Lb KqUv MvQ AvQ| Iiv ej 12 eQi ci
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30 nvRvi UvKv `e| Av` hw` 12 eQi ci(!) GB cwZvb _vK|

Avcwb MvQi UvKv wbZ hvb, `Lv hve h, GKUv MvQi Rb 1000
jvK MQ| MvQ PivB KiZ KiZ KvV GZ wPKb ne h, Zv w`q
nqZv `uvZ wLjvj Kivi Pq ewk wKQy KiZ cvieb bv| ZvB
dvKU wKQy cZ PvBeb bv| cwikg Kieb, Avcwb cveb| Avgiv
evi evi auvKv LvB GKwU RvqMvq Gm| Avgiv webv cwikg A_ev
bvggv cwikg cZ PvB| Avi cZbi AvM mevBK mdjB gb
nq| cZb nj evSv hvq h, mvdj Kvb chvq cuQQ|
G ch DiUzKz 2010 mvj `qv hLb GB ckKZvi gZv
AbKB gb KiZb, WmwUwb GKwU mdj eemv Ges wewbqvMi
bvg mvaviY gvbyl nvRvi nvRvi KvwU UvKv Zzj w`qQ Zv`i nvZ|
GLb GB 2012 mvj Gm Kx Aev wbPi LeijvB Zvi cgvY
`y`K evsjv`k evsKi cwZe`b : 5000 KvwU UvKvi meB Zyj
wbqQ WmwUwb kxlK `wbK c_g Avjvi 12 Ryb cKvwkZ wicvU
ejv nq, WmwUwb Mci 37wU cwZvb Ges Gi cwiPvjK I
^v_mswk-`i bvg wewfb evsK Rgv nqQ 4,996 KvwU UvKv| Gi
ga 4,975 KvwU UvKvB Zyj bqv nqQ| evsjv`k evsK _K
mcwZ `ybxwZ `gb Kwgkb (`y`K) cvVvbv cv_wgK cwZe`bm~ G
Z_ Rvbv MQ|
WmwUwb Mci 443wU evsK wnmve iqQ| 252wU evsK wnmve
eZgvb e| evwKjvZ wwZ iqQ gv 178 KvwU UvKv| Gi ga
Mci cavb wZbwU KvvwbWmwUwb 2000, WmwUwb wU c-vUkb I
WmwUwb gvwcvicvm Kv-AcviwUf mvmvBwU wjwgUWi bvg _vKv
281wU wnmve wwZ iqQ gv 20 KvwU 50 jvL UvKv| ejv nq, Gme
wnmve _K wecyj cwigvY A_ WmwUwb Mci (KqKRb EaZb
KgKZvi bvg wQjv cwZe`b hv AcKvwkZ ivLv njv) wnmve
vbvwiZ nqQ|
Gi AvM 30 gvP cKvwkZ c_g Avjvi AviKwU cwZe`b evsjv`k
evsKi Z`i eivZ w`q WmwUwb gvwcvicvm Kv-AcviwUf
mvmvBwU wjwgUW cm ejv nq, mgevq Awa`i _K wbeb bqv
GB cwZvbwU RbMYi KvQ _K gvm 20 _K 25 KvwU UvKv Zyj
wbQ| 40 jvL cwZwbwai gvag evsKi gZv
352

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

ixwZgZv AvgvbZ msMn KiQ Zviv| Abw`K cyuwRevRvi ZvwjKvfy

bv nqI wew KiQ Gi kqvi| Z_vKw_Z kqvi wew KiB
cwZvbwU nvwZq wbqQ GK nvRvi 400 KvwU UvKv|
miKvwi, Avav miKvwi I ^vqkvwmZ wewfb cwZvbi emsLK
KgKZv I KgPvixi m cwZvbwUi hvMm~ _vKvq AbK mvaviY
gvbyl Gi cwZ AvK nQ ej cwZe`b Dj-L Kiv nqQ| Awfbe
gvwjfj gvKwUs (GgGjGg) cwZ Aej^b KiQ Zviv| wewbgq
AvgvbZ msMnKvix`i Kwgkb `qv nQ, hv Aea I AbwZK|
cwZvbwUi AwZ fwelZ gwKi gyL coZ cvi Ges cZvwiZ nZ
cvi RbMY|
31 gvPi Z_ Abyhvqx WmwUwb gvwcvicvm Kv-AcviwUf
mvmvBwU wjwgUWi gvU m`i cwigvY 3,350 KvwU UvKv| Gi
ga Zviv wewfb cgvkbvj Kvhg eq `wLqQ 710 KvwU UvKv|
Gi AvM 2010 mvji 30 Ryb GB cwZvbi m` `Lvbv nqwQjv
731 KvwU UvKv Ges 2011 mvji 30 Ryb wQjv 2,999 KvwU UvKv|
GZ A mgqi eeavb Kx Ki GZ ewk m` `uvovjv, Zv wbq ck
Zvjv nqQ cwZe`b|
evsjv`k evsKi GB wicvU Rgv nIqvi ci, `y`KI wmv bq
Awbqg Abymvbi| cvq `yB gvm Abymvb kl MZ 23 g Kwgkb
cwZe`b Rgv `q Z` `j| WmwUwb 2000 wjwgUW Ges Gi
mnhvMx cwZvbjvZ evcK Avw_K Awbqgi cgvY cvq Zviv|
ejv nq, Kvvwbi kxl ewiv KqKk KvwU UvKvi `ybxwZ
KiQ| we`k _K Kg `vg cY Avg`vwb Ges `ki ga Kg `vg
Rwg wKb Zv MvnK`i KvQ ewk `vg `Lvbv nqQ| Avi H
AwZwi A_ Kvvwbi evsK GKvDU _K KgKZviv ewMZ evsK
GKvDU mwiq wbqQ|
mwiq bqv A_i welq cwZe`b ejv nq, cwZvi ci _K
GgGjGg Kvvwbi 66wU evsK GKvDUi gvag PjwZ eQii
Gwcj ch cvq 5,960 KvwU UvKv msMn Ki WmwUwb| Gi ga
3,588 KvwU UvKv Dvjb Kiv nqQ|
wU c-vUkbi wewfb cvKR wew Ki MvnK`i KvQ _K 133wU
evsK GKvDUi gvag 921 KvwU UvKv msMn Kiv nq| H A_i
ce 2 \ mvdj

353

ga 900 KvwU UvKv Zyj bqv nqQ| GQvov WmwUwb

gvwcvicvmi bvg wewfb gvag cvq 1,440 KvwU UvKv msMn Kiv
nq| Gi ga 1,418 KvwU UvKv Zyj bqv nq|
22 Ryb, 2012 wewWwbDR WU Kgi G LeiUv `Lyb
WmwUwb-2000 wjwgUWi XvKv AwdmjvI e nQ
XvKvq _vKv Zv`i 23wU Awdmi cuvPwU Awdm e nq MQ
BZvga| GQvov ivRavbxi 23wU Kvhvjqi hvMvhvMi b^i GLb
e| MZKvj `ki wewfb cv _K Hme b^i dvb KiQb
MvnKiv| wK b^i e _vKvq Kviv m Zviv hvMvhvM KiZ cvib
wb| GZw`b IB b^ijvB `qv nZv `kevcx Qwoq _vKv WmwUwbi
wecyjmsLK wewbqvMKvixK| Iw`K Aea evswKs I AvBb ewnf~Z
KgKv RwoZ _vKvi welq msev` cKvwkZ nIqvi ci WmwUwbi
AbKB Mv-XvKv w`qQb| GZw`b Zv`i hme m`m mvaviY gvbylK
ivRavbxZ eZj gvKU Avi w`b jvL UvKv Avqi ^c `wLq
GmQb Zv`i ZrciZvI KgQ| nVvr Ki e nq MQ WmwUwbi
cwkY KvhgI (mwgbvi)|
ck : Avwg WmwUwbi GKRb m`m| Avwg Rvwb Abvb GgGjGg
KvvwbI h_vixwZ cZviYv KiQ| wK m WmwUwb Zv `ki
A_bwZK Aev AbK gReyZ KiQ| eKviZ nvm KiQ| ZvQvov
Aviv Dbqbg~jK cK iqQ| Avwg Zv GLvb cZviYv `LwQ bv|
[GB ckwUI WmwUwb weZKi AvM Kiv]
Di : Avmj cZvwiZ nIqvi AvM ch cZviYv KLbv PvL co
bv| hgb AvBwUwmGj ev hyeKmLvb KvwU KvwU UvKv gvbyl Kb
wewbqvM KiQ? cZviK gb Kij wK Zviv GUv KiZv? ZvivI Zv
AbK wKQyZ wewbqvM KiQ| mB UvKvjv GLb Kv_vq? ZLb hviv
hyeK KiZv ZvivI wK hyeKK KLbv cZviK gb Ki wb| wK
djvdj Kx njv? gvbyli KvwU KvwU UvKv Kv_vq?
AZGe welqUv hZY ch Lvjm civ _vK, ZZY evSv hvq bv
h fZi Kx AvQ| fZiUv evSv hvq hLb LvjmUv Lm co|
354

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Avcwb wbtm`n GKRb mij gvbyl, fvjv gvbyl| wK GZ ewk mij

neb bv hvZ Avcwb wec` cob| Avcwb hw` cZviYv eySZB
cviZb, Zvnj GB wPwV wjLZb bv| ejZb bv h, Abvb GgGjGg
KijI AvcbviUv Kvbv cZviYv KiQ bv| cZvwiZ nIqvi ev Kivi
AvM ch wbRi evcvi mevB GgbUvB gb Ki|
cvVK, Gevi Avmyb `wL GB 2012 mvj WmwUwb Kgx`i
cwiYwZ| g-Ryb gvmi cwKvi cvZv Ivj wbqB `LQb G
aibi wkivbvgmy`iM WmwUwb KgKZv Aei : gvjvgvj AvUK,
WmwUwb-i 11 KgKZvK `y`K-Gi wRvmvev`, KevRvi WmwUwb
febi Pvi cKkjxi wei gvgjv, WmwUwbi GgwW I Ab `yRbi
wei MdZvwi civqvbv BZvw`|
Avi 24 Ryb, 2012 `wbK BdvK cKvwkZ nq GKwU Lei
mvfvi WmwUwb wWwweDUii AvZnZv| GZ ejv nq, MvnK`i
Acgvb mBZ bv ci Aekl AvZnZvi c_ eQ wbjb WmwUwbi
wWwweDUi gvqvg nvmb kvwnb (42)| evi Mfxi ivZ ci
GjvKvi Mvq fvovevmvq wmwjs dvbi m Syj AvZnZv Kib
wZwb| IB ivZB gvevBj dvbi gvag wbKU AvZxq^Rb`i
GmGgGm Ki Rvbvb, wZwb Avi cw_exZ euP _vKZ Pvb bv|
cywjk I wbnZi cwievim~ Rvbv MQ, 10/12 eQi AvM kvwnb
cwievi-cwiRb wbq mvfvi Gm i Kib DcRjv PZi KwDUvi,
dvb I dUvKwci eemv| GKchvq wZwb WmwUwbi m Rwoq
cob| ewk jvfi Avkvq wbRi UvKv QvovI wbKU AvZxq^Rbmn
evBii gvbyli KvQ _K my` UvKv Gb WmwUwbZ wewbqvM Kib|
AwZ A mgq nq hvb WmwUwbi wWwweDUi| vbxq jvKRbK
WmwUwbi m`m evwbq Zv`i KvQ _KI cvq 10 jvwaK UvKv
wewbqvM Kib| wK mvwZK cwiwwZZ gvbwmKfve wech nq
cowQjb kvwnb|
GKw`K gvUv Ai UvKv wewbqvM, Abw`K MZ KqKw`b ai
MvnKiv UvKv diZ w`Z Zvi Ici Pvc mw Ki AvmwQjv| cvIbv`vi
wbKU AvZxq^Rb`i mI PjwQjv gbvgvwjb| GZ gvbwmKfve
fO cob kvwnb| AvZxq^Rb I MvnK`i Acgvb mBZ bv ci
Aekl MZ ivZ Zvi Ki `iRv e Ki wmwjs dvbi m Mjvq
ce 2 \ mvdj

355

duvm `b| GgGjGgi m Rovj Gi KiY cwiYwZi evcvi

mmgq Avgiv h mveavb evYx DPviY KiwQjvg, GB wicvUwU Zvi
h_v_ZvB cgvY Ki|
ck : GgGjGg wK nvivg bv nvjvj? nvivg nj Kxfve nvivg Zv GKUz
evLv Kieb| Avwg GKRb KvqvUvg MvRyqU wnme GgGjGg
KivUv wK wVK ne?
Di : GgGjGg hw` cZviYvi nvwZqvi nq Zv GUv AekB nvivg|
GgGjGg-Gi bvg h cZviYv Kiv nQ, GB cZviYv wbtm`n
nvivg| GKRb KvqvUvg MvRyqU wnme KLbvB cZviYvi mv_ hy
_vKv DwPZ bq|
ck : Avgvi ez GKwU KvvwbZ m`m nIqvi Rb AvgvK Lye
PvcvPvwc KiQ, m`m wd cuvP nvRvi UvKv| Avwg m`m nj m Kwgkb
cve Ges Avwg Ab GKRbK m`m KivZ cvij Avgvi Kwgkb
ne| fwelZ wecyj A_ cvIqv hve Ges 12 eQi ci MvQi 30
nvRvi UvKvI cvIqv hve| IK hw` bv Kwi Zvnj Lye K cve|
Gw`K AvwgI XvKv wekwe`vjq cowQ| cuvP nvRvi UvKv Avgvi Rb
AbK eo GgvDU| Kx Kiev wc-R ej w`b|
Di : AvcbvK bv ejZ wkLZ ne| AbKB ej, Avwg bv
ejZ cvwi bv| Rxeb KLbv cqvRb nq nuv ejvi, KLbv cqvRb nq
bv ejvi| hLvb bv ejv cqvRb mLvb hw` KD bv ejZ bv cvi,
Zvi Rxebi `ytL KD `~i KiZ cvie bv|
GB h ezIK hw` bv Kwi Zvnj m Lye K cve| m Zv
GLb K cve| hw` nuv ejb, Avcwb fwelZ K cveb Ges mB
mv_ Aviv wKQz jvKK wZM Kieb|
Avi h ez ^v_i Rb ezZ Ki, m wK mwZKvii ez? ezZ
Zv `qvi bvg, ez ezi Rb Rvb w`q w`Z cviGUv nQ ezZ|
ez ezi Rvb wbZ cviGUv ezZ bq| AZGe wbtmsKvP bv ejyb|
Ze mveavb _vKzb, Kvbv weZK Roveb bv|
356

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

ck : iRx, Avgvi GK ez GKwU Kvvwbi K_v ejQ mLvb cuvP

nvRvi UvKv w`j wZb gvm ci 37,000 UvKv cvIqv hve| Avgvi
cwiwPZi ga AbKB wewbqvM KiQ| Avwg Kx Kiev?
Di : hKvbv wewbqvM Kieb memgq eySb| hvK w`Qb Zvi
cyiv LuvRLei wbq Zvici wewbqvM Kieb| hLbB beb hywi
evBi gybvdv w`Q, ZLbB mveavb nq hveb| Avgv`i `yejZv nQ,
hLbB Avgv`i ej AbK jvf `e, Avgiv AMcvr weePbv bv
KiB Suvc `B| fvwe, GiKg myhvM Rxeb Avi Avme bv| GKeviI
wPv Kwi bvGB jvfUv h `e, Kv_v _K `e?
mvaviY gvbyli GB jvfK cuywR Ki cZviYvi myhvM cvQ AbK
fyqv cwZvb| hgb, 2009-Gi 18 gvP, `wbK c_g AvjvZ GiKgB
GKwU Lei Qvcv nq
`xcwkLv bvg GKwU fyqv GbwRI ivRavbxi kvgjx gvnv`cyi
wgicyi cj-ex Kvdij dvgMU I gwbcywicvovi wbwe wewfb ckvRxex
gvbyli jvL jvL UvKv AvZmvr Ki cvwjq hvq| GKwU mvBbevW
Szwjq fvovevmvZ i Ki Gi Kvhg| wZb nvRvi UvKv Rgv w`j
GKgvmi gv_vq 30 nvRvi UvKv `qv neG jvfbxq duv` cZ wb
Avqi wewfb ckvi gvbylK cZvwiZ Ki| kZ kZ gvbyli KvQ _K
wZb _K 50 nvRvi UvKv ch bq Zviv| wK cvwjq hvIqvi mgq
Zv`iB `yRb aiv co cZvwiZ`i KvQ| Zv`iK _vbvq mvc` Kiv
njI g~j ew aivQuvqvi evBiB _K hvq| cZvwiZiv GLb _vbv
NivI, gvgjv BZvw` KiQ, wK GZ Kx jvf?
Avgiv cwKvq `LwQ, GKwU cwZvbi nvDwRsqi bvg UvKv wbq
GLb bv Rwg w`Q, bv UvKv w`Q| m cwZvb hviv KvR KiZv
Zv`i GLb Kx Aev? me cvwjq eovQ gvmi ci gvm ai| wK
hLb Zviv UvKv wbqwQjv, ZLb Kvbv mgmv nq wb| hviv UvKv
w`qwQjv Zv`iI UvKv w`Z mgmv nq wb|
gb ivLeb, wewbqvMi MfbgU IqviwU bBGgb
wewbqvM memgqB SzuwKc~Y| wkwWDjW evsK hLb UvKv ivLQb,
wbqZv AvQ| KviY MfbgU nQ Gi IqviwU| wK Ab
wewbqvM KiZ memgq mveavb _vKeb|
ce 2 \ mvdj

357

ck : mcwZ wUwfAvB Gcm bvgK Bsjvi GKwU Kvvwb

evsjv`k GmQ| hviv ejQ, GK j 50 nvRvi UvKv wewbqvM
Kij Qq _K mvZ gvmi ga mvZ j UvKv cvIqv hve| GB
Kvvwbi gvwjK bvwK Iqvib evdU hviv BDK BDGmG mn weki
190wU `k eemv KiQ| GB KvvwbZ AskMnY Kiv hve wK?
Di : Kiv hve hw` wbRK AvnvK evbvZ Pvb| `o j UvKv Qq
gvm Kxfve mvZ j UvKv nemUv Avcbvi ga Kvbv cki Rb
w`jv bv! UvKvUv wK Zviv nvBRvK Ki `e, bv evsK jyU Ki `e?
ZvK wRm Kib, Iqvib evdU Avcbvi Lvjy bv evev h AvcbvK
cvwVqQ? Avmj Gjv meB cZviYv| GB mnR wRwbmUzKz hw` eySZ
bv cvib Zvnj Kxfve ne?
ck : KvQi wKQy gvbyl jvfi ekeZx nq GgGjGg RvZxq
cwZvbi mv_ hy nQ ej K cvwQ| Zv`iK cZviYvi nvZ
_K Kxfve iv Kiev?
Di : wKQy AvnvKK KLbv iv Kiv hvq bv| Lye `ytLi mv_
ejwQhLb c_g wRwRGb Avm 1997-G, Avgv`i GK MvRyqUK
ejjvg h, GLvb GBfve cZviYv KiQ| m ejjv, iRx, Avcwb
Gme eySeb bv| GLvb Gfve jvf cvIqv hve, AZ jvf cvIqv hve
BZvw`| evSvZ bv ci KviAvbi mB wkv AbymiY Kijvg|
KviAvb ejv nqQ, AvnvK _K `~i _vKv| Avgiv Zvi KvQ
_K `~i _vKjvg| ci Zvi KiY Aevi Lei cqwQ| Lye Lvivc
jMQ b, wK Kx Kivi AvQ?
cZviYvi mv_ Rwoq coj Rxeb KLbv my`i Kiv hvq bv|
cZviYvi A_ KLbv vqx nq bv| m A_ KLbv m` icvwiZ nq
bv| AvR ch Kvbv cZviKi A_ m` icvwiZ nq wb| Kvbv
kxl mvmxi A_ m` icvwiZ nq wb| h A_ kg DcvwRZ bv, Zv
KLbv m` nq bv|
AZGe KvQi gvbyl`i mZK KiZ cvib| wK Zviv hw` bv
kvb Zvnj Avcbvi Avmj Avi wKQy Kivi bB, `vqv Kiv Qvov|
358

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

ck : AvRKvj wdjvws ev AvDUmvwmsqi evcvi AbKKB AvMnx

`Lv hvq| wK mvcwZKKvj G wbq cZviYvi ek wKQy AwfhvMI
`LwQ cwKvq| Avgvi ck njv, Kx Ki eySev Avwg wdjvws ev
AvDUmvwmsqi bvg Kvbv cZviYvi wkKvi nwQ wK bv?
Di : Avmj c_gB AvcbvK eySZ ne wdjvws gvb Kx| G
cm `wbK mgKvji 15 g, 2012 msLvq evsjv`k cKkj
wekwe`vjqi KwDUvi wefvMi wkK bvwk` kvnvwiqvii h ee
cKvwkZ nq, Zv Dj-LhvM| wZwb ejb, g~jZ cvwikwgKi wewbgq
we`wk Kvbv cwZvbi KvR Ki `qvKB wdjvws ej| Avi hme
cwZvb wbR`i KvR evBii Kgx`i gvag Kwiq bq Zv`i
wdjvvi ej|
cKZ wdjvvi cwZvbjv mdUIqvi Zwi, WvUv GwU, MvwYwZK
wnmve, AwWU, Abyev`, ivmvqwbK mgxKiY Zwi, ce Zwi, cwZe`b
g~jvqbmn wewfb eywewK KvR AbjvBb cvBq `q| KvRjvI
cZ nq cwZhvwMZvg~jK wbjvgi gvag| whwb h KvR Rvbb, Zv
wbjvgi gvag cq KvR mb Ki AbjvBb Rgv w`Z nq|
wekLvZ KqKwU wdjvvi cwZvbi ga iqQ wdjvvi WUKg,
IW WUKg BZvw`| Gme mvBU wbeb Kvbv wewbqvM jvM bv|
wKK Ki UvKv Avqi Kvbv eevI GLvb bB|
GLb Avmyb `wL, wdjvwsqi bvg hme cwZvbi wei
cZviYvi AwfhvM DVQ Zviv Kx KiZv| MZ 24 Ryb 2012, fvii
KvMR cwKvq G msv GKwU Abymvbx cwZe`b cKvwkZ nq|
wKK KijB Wjvi! AbjvBb cZviYvi duv` wkivbvgi G
wicvUwUZ ejv nq
XvKvi GKwU emiKvwi wekwe`vjqi Qv wbb n ivq| Ni
emB gv 100wU wKK Ki Avq Kib GK WjviWyjvvi bvg GKwU
cwZvbi Ggb wevcb `L wZwb cwZvbwUZ Qq nvRvi UvKvi
wewbgq iwRkb Kib| Zvici Av Av wbb eySZ cvib
GmeB cZviYv| wZwb Kvbv UvKvB Avq KiZ cvib wb|
iscyi KvigvBKj KjRi Qvx exw_Kv ewYKI GKB iKg
cZviYvi wkKvi| wZwbI Ggb wevcb `L Qq nvRvi UvKv w`q
ce 2 \ mvdj

359

wbeb Kib Wyjvvi| h_vixwZ wZwbI cZvwiZ nb|

wbb-exw_Kv`i gZv Ggb cZviYvi wkKvi jvLv gvbyl| chyw
mK mvaviY gvbyli AZvK cyuwR Ki wKQy cZviK Ggb RgRgvU
eemv du` emQ| wKQyw`b AvM cywjk KjvevMvb GjvKv _K
cZviYvi `vq GiKg Z_vKw_Z wdjvvi cwZvbi KZvew`i
MviI KiQ| m mgq GK cZvwiZ MvnK cywjki KvQ AwfhvM
Kib, wZwb GKvB `o jvL UvKv LyBqQb| cwZwU GKvDU Qq nvRvi
UvKv Ki gvU 25wU GKvDU LyjwQjb `o jvL UvKv w`q| wK
wZwb Kvbv UvKv cvb wb|
Ze cywjk gvS gvS Awfhvb PvjvjI GLbv e nq wb GB
AbjvBb cZviYv| cywjkx c`c mxwgZ nIqv Ges mvaviY gvbyli
mPZbZvi Afve I AZvK cyuwR Ki Giv GLbv RgRgvU cZviYv
Ki hvQ| cZviK Gme cwZvbi -vMvbjvI Lye jvfbxq| Ni
emB gv 100wU wKK Ki Avq Kib GK Wjvi, ^ wkwZ`i
Rb Ni em AbjvBb Avq, Ni em gvm 21 nvRvi Wjvi Avq,
wKK KijB UvKvGgbB PUK`vi Gme wevcbi fvlv|
Abymvb Rvbv hvq, aygv XvKvZB 30wUi ewk G aibi
cwZvb cZviYv Ki hvQ| wdjv KvRi hvMvb`vZv wnme `vwe
KijI Av`Z Gme cwZvbI GgGjGg KvvwbB| Qq nvRvi _K
mvo mvZ nvRvi UvKv w`q fwZ nIqvi ciB GKRb MvnKK ejv nq
Aviv jvK AvbZ| Aviv jvK AvbZ cvij A_vr Wvb nvZ-evg
nvZ evovZ cvij m Kwgkb cve|
Rvbv hvq, eZgvb evsjv`k GB AbjvBb cZviYvq bZZ w`Q
Wyjvvi, evfv AvBwU, jvUK, AbjvBb AvW wKK, cBW Uy wKK,
mdwU wKK, vBjvvi, wcwUwm di wewW, GW mvwms, wKK Uy cBWmn
Aviv wKQy cwZvb| Gme cwZvbi Kvbv AvBbMZ wfwI bB|
evsjv`k h cwZvbjv GB wWwRUvj cZviYvi m~Pbv Ki Zv`i
ga wmvcyiwfwK wK Gwkqv AbjvBb AbZg| KvvwbwU 2010
mvji 11 AvM PMvg iwRvi Ad RqU K KvvwbR G
dvgm (AviRGmwm)-G wbewZ nq c_g G aibi cZviYv i Ki|
Gici Zviv evsjv`ki cvq 15 jvL MvnKK cZvwiZ Ki 250 KvwU
UvKv wbq Pj hvq|
360

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Rvbv hvq, cwZvbf` GKwU wcwgqvg GKvDUi `vg Qq _K

mvZ nvRvi UvKv| GB mvZ nvRvi UvKvq GKvDU Lvjvi ci MvnKK
100wU IqemvBU wjsK `qv nq| ejv nq, wjsKjvZ wKK Kij
cwZw`b GK Wjvi Ki cvIqv hveGKUv GKvDUi wecixZ gvm
30 Wjvi| MvnK`i AbK G KviY GK-`o jvL UvKv LiP Ki
10-15wU Ki GKvDU LyjQ ewk Wjvi Kvgvbvi Avkvq| Aviv
MvnK ai Avbvi IciI AvQ Kwgkb| A_vr mB GgGjGg!
cZviYvi mePq GwMq Wyjvvi bvg IqemvBUwfwK
cwZvb| MvnK`i KvQ _K cZviYv Ki G ch Zviv nvwZq
wbqQ nvRvi KvwU UvKv| cwZvbwUi `vweKZ mewKQyB fyqv|
wbR`iK hyivwfwK Wyjvvi BDwbKcvikbi evsjv`wk kvLv
`vwe KijI hyiv GB bvg Kvbv cwZvb bB| ejv nq, Qq eQi
ai Gi Kvhg PjQ| wK cwZvbwUi WvgBb Kbv nqQ 2011
mvji 20 deqvwi, evsjv`k mgq fvi 5Uv 46 wgwbU| m wnmve
Gi eqm gv 15 gvm|
Wyjvvii IqemvBU `Lv hvq, Zv`i m`m msLv `yB jvL 81
nvRvi 461 Rb| 837wU cR kl Zv`i Avqi cwigvY 20 jvL
45 nvRvi 353 Wjvi; wK Kvbv cRi welq Z_ bB
IqemvBU| bB KvR`vZv`i mKI Kvbv Z_| wdjvwsq
Awf cKkjx gvngy`yj nvmvb Rvbvb, hviv wdjvwsqi KvR `q,
AekB Zv`i IqemvBU KvR`vZv I cRi eYbv _vK| bqZv
wdjvviiv KvR beb Kx Ki?
wewk Z_chywwe` gvdv Revi ejb, weki Kvbv
AvDUmvwms cwZvbB UvKv w`q iwRkb Kivq bv| hviv UvKv
wewbqvMi K_v ej, covkvbv bv Rb ay wevcb wKK Ki Avq
Kiv hve ejZviv fyqv| KvRB dmeyKi gZv mvgvwRK hvMvhvM
mvBU, wewfb e-M Ges wkv cwZvb, evmv, ijkbi gZv
RvqMvq hviv G aibi wevcb w`Q, Zv`i evcvi mveavb _vKeb|
Avcbvi cwiwPZ`i KvQI cuQ `eb mveavb evYx|
[cv`UxKv : j j MvnKK cZvwiZ Ki mxK wmvcyi cvwjqQb
Wyjvvi gvwjK ivKb BD Avng`| wgicyi Zvi kievwo wNi iLQ
kZ kZ jvK| m~`wbK BdvK, 23 Ryb 2012]
ce 2 \ mvdj

361

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ck : Avgiv h evmvq _vwK H evmvi wbP GKwU gyw` `vKvb iqQ|
mB `vKvbi gvwjK GKRb Ryi| Dwb gvbyl wnme Lye fvjv Ges
Avkcvki jvKRb ZvK ek fvjv wnmeB Pb| Avgiv H `vKvb
_K evwKZ KbvKvUv Kwi| Avgiv GB evmvq AvwQ AvovB eQi ai|
dj evevi mv_ `vKvb`vi PvPvi mK ek fvjv| GKchvq Dwb
evevK Rvbvb h, Zvi GK fvB BZvwjqvb G^wmZ PvKwi Ki Ges
wZwb eafve gvbylK Qq gvm _K `yB eQii Rb wfmv w`q
_vKb| evevK ejb h, cwiwPZ Kviv cqvRb nj cvVvZ cvib|
evev AvMnx njb Ges KvMRc wbixv Ki Avk njb h, Zv ea|
dj evev Zvi Nwb ez`i welqwU Rvbvb| KviY Zv`i `yB/ GK Rb
fvB Ges AvZxq we`k hvIqvi Rb Pv KiwQjv| evevK Zviv
UvKv `b wfmvi Rb Ges evev wbRI wKQy UvKv wewbqvM Kib| gvU
10 j UvKvi gZv wZwb Rgv `b| wfmvcwZ 11 j UvKvi evwKUv
cwikva KiZ ne cvmcvUmn wfmv nvZ cvIqvi ci| wfmv `qvi
K_v wQjv wWm^ii kl w`K| wK PvPv AvR `ev, Kvj `ev ej
Mwogwm KiwQjb| ZLb evev PvPvK ai H Awdm hvb Ges ILvbKvi
jvKRbi mv_ K_v ej eySZ cvib GUv GKUv wekvj P| evev
ZLb cvwjq Pj Avmb| Gici evev H PvPvK wbq mivmwi evsK
hvb| wK Hw`b Avi UvKv ZzjZ cvijb bv wZbUv eR Mj ej|
Zvici wWm^ii 25, 26, 27 ZvwiL wQjv Uvbv wZb w`bi miKvwi
QzwU| iweevi w`b mKvj evsK Lyjj wZwb hvb H PK wbq Ges
RvbZ cvib, PvPvi GKvDU h UvKv wQjv wZwb Zv mwiq djQb|
Gme NUbv h NU MQ Avgiv Zvi wKQzB RvbZvg bv| Gi cii Aev
Zv eySZB cviQb| Avcwb `qv Ki Avj-vni KvQ `vqv Kieb hb
evev cyiv UvKvUv DwVq hv`i UvKv Zv`iK w`q w`Z cvib Avi
Avcbvi KvQ civgk PvBAvgiv Kx KiZ cvwi|
Di : GwUB Avgv`i Rxebi GK eo Pvivevwj h, Avgiv cwikg bv
Ki AwZ mnR cZ PvB| dj cZviK`i wgw K_vq fyj Zvi duv`
cv w`q dwj| ZvB Avgv`i cwiYwZ nq Mi mB ivLvji gZv|
362

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GK cvnvwo Mvg| mB Mvg GK cZviK XyKjv| m QvULvUv

cZviYv KiQ mdjfve| wK H h, Pvii 10 w`b, Mni GKw`b|
GKw`b cZviKi cZviYv duvm nq Mj| Mvgevmxiv ai djjv
ZvK| wK mKvjejv KvR hvIqvi mgq nIqvq Zviv wVK Kijv
AvcvZZ Rj MvQi mv_ ZvK eua ivLv nvK| mvi mgq Gm
cvnvo _K mgy` dj `qv ne, hvZ GB Avc` _K memgqi
Rb gy _vKv hvq|
Mvgevmxiv cZviKK eua iL Pj Mj| Gi ga GK ivLvj
gl PivZ PivZ ILvb Pj Gjv| ivLvj wQjv mnR-mij GK
hyeK| m cZviKK H Aevq `L wRm Kijv, Zvgvi G Aev
Kb? cZviK Zvi K_v bB eySjv h, G jvK GB Mvgi bq| m
mv_ mv_ dw` ei Ki djjv| ejjv h, `L, Avgvi AbK `ytL!
Avgvi `ytLi K_v Zzwg b Kx Kie? ivLvj ejjv, Kx `ytL?
cZviK ejjv, Avmj Avwg GKRb mvaK, bxie mvabv KiZ
PvB| Avj-vn Qvov Avi KvbvwKQz Avwg PvB bv| UvKvcqmv PvB bv,
Nimsmvi KiZ PvB bv| wK GB Mvgi jvKRb AvgvKB aiQ h,
Zv`i m`vii gqK weq KiZ ne| mB mv_ Zvi mwi
AaKI AvgvK wbZ ne| KviY, GB Mvg gqwUK weq Kivi gZv
Kvbv cyil bB| Avi weqUvI KiZ ne AvR mvi gaB| bBj
gqwU euvPe bv| GLb ej, Avwg GKRb MnZvMx mbvmx, Avj-vn Qvov
Avi Kvbv wKQz eywS bv| Avwg Kx Ki Gmei ga RovB? nvqi
Avgvi Kcvj! kl ch Avgvi Ici GB Ryjyg!
bZ bZ ivLvj QjwU jvfvZzi nq DVjv| wRm Kijv,
Avgvi mv_ wK weq `e? cZviK ejjv, AweevwnZ cyil cjB
weq `e| G Mvg Avwg Qvov Avi Kvbv AweevwnZ cyil bB ejB
AvgvK aiQ|
ivLvj ZLb ejjv h, Zvgvi Ici GB Ryjyg `L Avgvi Lye gvqv
nQ| Zzwg Zv mbvmx, Zvgvi weqi `iKvi bB| wK Avgvi Zv
weqi `iKvi AvQ| GK KvR Kwi| Zvgvi euvab Avwg Lyj w`wQ|
Zzwg Avgvi G fovjv wbq Pj hvI| Avi AvgvK GLvb eua ivLv
hvZ mvi mgq Zviv GLvb Gm AvgvK cvq| cZviK eySjv h,
wkKvwi Uvc wMj djQ| ZeyI gyL Kbv Ki ejjv, ZvgvK
ce 2 \ mvdj

363

Avevi GB wec`i ga djev! m`vii gq `LZ Kgb Rvwb bv,

e`gRvRx wK bv Zv-I Rvwb bv| wK hyeK Zv ZLb fxlY DwRZ|
ejjv h, Avwg cyil gvbyl, ivMx nqQ ZvZ Kx? ivM Avwg wVK Ki
djev| ej m cZviKi euvab Lyj w`jv| cZviK ZLb ivLvjK
AvQvgZv eua fovjv wbq mUK cojv|
mvi mgq jvKRb gkvj Rvwjq Xvj evRvZ evRvZ
Gjvcvnvo _K cZviKK dj `e| wK cZviKi RvqMvq
GLvb h Ab GKRbK eua ivLv nqQ Zviv Zv Lqvj Kijv bv|
ivLvj bvbvfve ejZ PvBjv| wK KD bjv bv| Zviv fvejv,
cZviK Zv KZ K_vB ej!
ciw`b mKvjejv Mvgevmx Zv AevK! H cZviK fovi wekvj cvj
wbq Mvgi ga Nyi eovQ! Mvgevmx ejjv, GB, ZvgvK bv dj
w`qwQjvg mgy`! Zzwg GLvb Gj Kxfve? cZviK ejjv, Avi ejv
bv! Zvgiv AvgvK djwQj wVKB| wK G mgy` AvQ GK wRbi
ev`kv| m Lye `qvjy| dj `qvi mv_ mv_ m AvgvK Zzj wbjv|
ejjv h, Avgv`i G ivR Kviv givi wbqg bB| KD gie bv|
Zzwg hnZz GmB coQv, G ivRi wbqg Abymvi ZvgvK GB 100
fov w`q `qv njv| Zvici Avwg fov wbq Pj Gjvg|
Mvgevmx Zv nZf^! GiKgI nq bvwK! wRm Kijv, h coe
ZvKB `e? m ejjv, nuv| H ivRi wbqgB ZvB| em, Mvgi
cyiliv me evwo-Ni Z-Lvgvi Mevw` c dj mvq GKi ci GK
cvnvo _K jvwdq mgy` Suvc w`Z jvMjv| Mvg nq Mj cyil
k~b| Avi H cZviK eb Mj Mvgi bvixmn mg mwi gvwjK|
Avmj Avgiv wK GfveB cZvwiZ nB| Avgiv fvwe, cwikg Qvov
Avjvw`bi gZv ay PivM Nlev Avi gnj Zwi nq hve| Avi
Avgv`i AjxK cZvkvi GB myhvMi menvi Ki cZviKiv|
cwiYvg Avgiv wbRiv ay me^ LvqvB bv, Pvicvki
jvKRbiUvI LvqvB| KvRB Avcbvi evevi Rb GLb hv KiYxq Zv
njvhZUv me UvKv Av`vqi Pv Kiv Ges Avi KvbviKg Avw_K
jb`b bv Rovbv, fwelZI Avi KvbviKg cZviYvi duv` cv bv
`qv| Gme GKwU welq memgqB gb ivLv Riwi h, AvkvmwU
evewfwK wK bv Ges Kvbv jvfi ekeZx nq Avcwb wmv
364

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wbQb wK bv| ZvnjB `Leb cZviYvi nvZ _K memgq gy

_vKQb| h hZ wgw K_vB ejyK, ewbfve welqwU `LZ ne|
ck : `k wKQy nQ bv `L we`k hZ PvwQ| GK ezi mv_
civgk KiwQ| m ejQ, KvbviKg Pj hv| Zvici ILvb wMq hv
Kivi Kiwe| Zvi civgk gZv wK KvR Kiev?
Di : we`k KvRi Rb hZ Pvb wVK AvQ| wK KvbviKg
we`k Zv hvB AvM, Zvici `Lv hveGB gbvfve wbq hvivB
evBi MQb ZvivB cZvwiZ nqQb, me^v nqQb| Avgv`i
GKRb MvRyqUi NUbv byb
wZb gvmi wfmv wbq `wY Kvwiqvq wMqwQjvg| ^vfvweKfveB
wZb gvm ci Aea nq Mjvg| ZviciI KvR Ki hvwQjvg| KvRUv
fvjvB wQjv| eZbI fvjv| wK KqK eQi ci wbqg njv h,
Kvbv Aea Awfevmx `wY Kvwiqvq _vKZ cvie bvaicvKo i
njv| Gmgq GK Kvwiqvbi mv_ cwiPq njv| m ejjv, ZvK
evsjv`wk AvU jvL UvKvi mgcwigvY UvKv w`j m Avgvi vqx nIqvi
eev Ki `e| wbicvq nq Zv-B Kijvg| GRb ezevei KvQ
_K aviI KiZ njv| wdi Gjvg `k| `ogvm ci GK
KvwiqvbK cvwVq AvgvK wbq Mj| wK cjvg GK eQii wfmv|
Gevi m cwZgvmB Avgvi KvQ _K eZbi fvM PvBZv| eva nq
w`Z nZv ZvK| KviY m wfmv Kwiq bv w`j Avwg Zv wec`
coev| Avwg Acv KiwQjvg, `yeQi ci vqxfve emevmi Ave`b
KiZ cviev mUvi Rb| GK eQi hLb kl njv ZLb wfmv Kwiq
`qvi wewbgq m Aviv UvKv `vwe Kijv| Zv-B w`jvg| wK Gevi
Qq gvmi gv_vq BwgMkb cywjk Gm AvgvK Avi Ki wbq hvq|
Avgvi KvMRc bv wK me AeaG K_v ej AvgvK `k cvwVq
`q| H Kvwiqvb Avgvi Rb wKQyB Ki wb| gvSLvb _K Avgvi 20
j UvKv, Rxebi Ag~j `ywU eQimeB b njv|
GB njv GKRbi Kvwnbx| AviK gwnjv Zvi QjK KvZvi
cvwVqwQjb `yB j 60 nvRvi UvKv LiP Ki| eZb `qvi K_v
wQjv bvwK 35 nvRvi UvKv| A_P we`k hvIqvi ci `Ljv eZb
ce 2 \ mvdj

365

evsjv`wk UvKvq gv AvU nvRvi UvKv| Avi wfmveve` UvKvI wbqQ

60 nvRvii ewk| KvRB eySZB cviQb we`k PvKwii myhvM Gj
fvjv Ki LuvRLei wbq hvIqvUv KZ iZc~Y|

PvKwi `qvi bvg cZviYv

ck : AvRKvj PvKwi `qvi bvg Ki AbKB gvUv Ai UvKv `vwe
Ki, KD KD nvwZqI bq| GjvK wK wekvm Kiv DwPZ?
Di : Avmj PvKwi `qvi bvg Ki Avgv`i mgvR cvqB GiKg
cZviYv Pj _vK| GKwU gqi NUbvgvvm cixv kl Ki eKvi
em wQjvg| G mgq Avgvi GK evex Rvbvjv Zvi GK fvB AvQ, h
gwnjv Awa`i GKUv PvKwi cvBq w`Z cvie| Ze ZvK `ojvL
UvKv w`Z ne| evmvq Rvbvj Avgvi evev ejjb, jvKwUK GKw`b
evmvq wbq AvmZ| evmvq Gm jvKwU Rvbvjv KwDUvi wkLZ
ne| Zvi KvQ _K 9000 UvKvq GKUv KwDUvi fvov wbZ
cviev| kLv nq Mj Avevi diZ w`q w`Z ne| UvKvUvI diZ
cvev ZLb| Gici GKw`b evmvq Gm ejjv, AvMvgx mvnB Avwg
Rqb KiZ cviev| Ze UvKvUv w`Z ne Zvi AvMB|
Avgvi evev ejjb, AvM Rqb KiK, Avwg mv_ mv_B UvKv w`q
`ev| GK_v b jvKwU mB h Pj Mj Avi Avmvi bvg bB|
eySjvg, m Avi Avme bv| evevi mPZbZvi KviY iv cqwQjvg
G cZviYv _K|
AviKwU NUbv GiKgGK f`jvK PvKwi KiwQjb GKwU evwqs
nvDR| K_vq K_vq GKw`b GK mnKgx ZvK ejjv, AvM m Kwl
evsK PvKwi KiZv| wK lohi KviY mUv Qo w`Z nqQ|
Ze wewfb evsKi mv_ Zvi hvMvhvM AvQ| m PvBj f`jvKK
Kvbv GKUv evsK XywKq w`Z cvie| Zvici GKw`b ejjv, hye
Kgmsvb evsK GKmgq m KvR KiQ, GgwWi mv_ Zvi cwiPq
AvQ| ZvK GKUv wmwf-I w`Z ejjv|
KqKw`b ci Rvbvjv, fZi fZi cmwms i nq MQ| GLb
wKQy UvKvcqmv jvMe| wekvm ARbi Rb ZvK GKw`b evsK
366

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wbqI Mj| wK GgwWi ig m XyKjv GKv| ejjv, GKRb

wfAvBwc AvQb, ZvB AvR Zvi bv hvIqvUvB fvjv| Aviv ejjv, Lye
kxNB fvBfv-i Rb WvKv ne| Ze Zvi AvM GgwWi GKvDU 20
nvRvi UvKv w`Z ne| Avi GcqUgU jUvi cvIqvi ci w`Z ne
evwK 30 nvRvi UvKv| GgwWi GKvDU b^i `L f`jvK cyivcywi
Avk njb| cyiv 20 nvRvi UvKv Zzj w`jb Zvi nvZ| Gici i
njv Nvivbvi cvjv| G mvn, I mvn Ki hLb f`jvK m`n
KiZ i Kijb, ZZw`b AbK `wi nq MQ| jvKwU Mv-XvKv
w`qQ| ci Rvbv Mj, jvKwU GB GKB cwqvq Zvi Aviv
KqKRb mnKgxi KvQ _KI UvKv nvwZq wbqQ|
PvKwii bvg cZviYv wbq MZ 9 Ryb, 2012`wbK BdvK
GKwU Abymvbx cwZe`b cKvwkZ nq| cvVK`i myweav_ Gi wKQy
Ask GLvb Zzj aiv njv
PvKwi `qvi bvg ivRavbxZ PjQ cZviYv| miKvwi-emiKvwi
wewfb cwZvb PvKwi `qvi bvg GKwU mNe P PvKwicv_x`i
KvQ _K cKvk jvL jvL UvKv nvwZq wbQ| wewfb ivvi `qvj,
evm jvfbxq PvKwii cvvi muU A_ev cwKvq wew w`q cZviK
P AvK KiQ eKvi ZiY-ZiYx`i| GgbwK duv` dj gq`i
eenvi Kiv nQ bvbv AvcwKi KvR|
hvM`vb KiZ wMq cv_x `Lb wbqvMcwUB fyqv
MZ 27 g miKvwi cwZvb evsjv`k we`yr Dbqb evW-Gi (wcwWwe)
wbqvMc wbq PvKwiZ hvM`vb KiZ wMq kvnvbvR Avvi bvgi
GK ZiYx eySZ cvib ZvK mieivn Kiv wbqvMcwU fyqv| KviY
DPgvb mnKvixi h c` wbqvMi K_v Kw_Z mB wbqvMc Dj-L
Kiv AvQ, m aibi c` wbqvMi Rb wcwWwe Kvbv wewB `q
wb| A_P kvnbvR cwKvq PvKwii wew `L m Abyhvqx wjwLZ
cixvq Ask wbq ZvZ DxY nqB wbqvMcwU WvKhvM cqQb|
wbqvMc Dj-L AvQ, 30.01.12 Bs ZvwiL mKvj bqUvq ZRMuvI
KjR AbywZ cixvq DxY nIqvi cwicwZ KZc my nq
dzjcyi, nvjyqvNvU, gqgbwmsn we`yr Awdm 6,200 UvKv j Ges
Abvb myweavmn wbqvM Kiv nBj| wK gqgbwmsni Dwj-wLZ vb
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GgbwK mw`b ZRMuvI KjRI Kvbv wbqvM cixv nq wb|
evm, ivvNvU PUK`vi wevcb
`k h nvi eKviZ evoQ, m nvi evoQ bv PvKwii myhvM| dj
nZvk eKvi ZiY-ZiYxiv PvKwi bvgi mvbvi nwiY aiZ QyUQ|
Kv_vI Kvbv PvKwii wevcb `LjB mLvb Zviv gwo Lq
coQ| Avi GB myhvMUvB wbQ cZviKP| AvKlYxq eZb-fvZvmn
bvbv myhvM-myweavi cjvfb `wLq PvKwi `qvi bvg eKvi Qjgq`i KvQ _K Zviv nvwZq wbQ bM` UvKv| cvkvcvwk bvbvfve
Zv`i nqivwb KiQ|
cZviK Pi cavb UvMU wekwe`vjq I KjR coyqv QvQvxiv|
covkvbvi cvkvcvwk cvUUvBg PvKwii K_v ej Zv`i duv` djv
nQ| Gici bvbv Kkj UvKvcqmv nvwZq wbq nqivwb Kiv nQ
PvKwicv_x wkv_x`i| AbK kvixwiKfveI jvbvi wkKvi nQ|
`Lv hvq, ivRavbxi wewfb iUi evmi Rvbvjvq, wewfb febi
`qvj I RbvKxY vbjvZ PvKwii wew kvfv cvQ! miKvi
Abygvw`Z enr Mc Ad KvvwbR, dvkb nvDR, MvgUm, evwqs
nvDR, wewfb wiqj GU Kvvwbmn Aviv bvbv cwZvbi bvg
Gme wew `qv nqQ| wewZ gvPvBRvi, mycvifvBRvi,
AwWUi, Kvvwbi gvbRvi, mnKvix gvbRvi, Awdm mnKvixG
iKg bvbv c` wbqvMi Rb cv_x Avnvb Kiv nqQ| mBmv_
jvfbxq bvbv myhvM-myweavi K_v Dj-L Kiv nqQ| PvKwi cZ
Kvbv AwfZv I RvgvbZ jvMe bvAvKlYxq G kZwU wbqvM
wewZ eo Ki jLv _vK|
cwZe`K wbRB hLb PvKwicv_x
ivRavbxZ evm GgbB GKwU wevcb `L mLvb Dwj-wLZ b^i
(01911098480) PvKwicv_x mR dvb Kij GB cwZe`KK
ivRavbxi KjR MU GjvKvi mvnivIqv`x nvmcvZvji mvgb hZ
ejv nq| mLvb wMq Avevi GKB bv^vi dvb w`j mvnivIqv`x
nvmcvZvji Dvcvk XvKv jvei mvgb wMq Acv KiZ ejv
nq| wKQyY ci mLvb GKRb Gm Zv`i gvnv`cyi gvqyb
368

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

ivWi Awdm wbq hvb GB cwZe`KK| wMq `Lv Mj, Awdm

ejZ GKwU Ki wZbw`K wZbwU Uwej I Pqvi cvZv| GB
cwZe`KK GKwU Uweji mvgb ewmq ejv njv, em GywY
Avmeb| em Gjb wgwbU `kK ci| GmB ejjb, GLvb PvKwi
cZ nj c_g fvBfv cixv w`Z ne| Gici `yB w`bi GKUv
cwkY `qv ne| GRb 610 UvKv jvMe| UvKv Qvov fvBfv cixv
bqv nq bv| GUv wKmi Awdm wRm KiZB em ejjb, evqiv
jvBd Byi Kvvwbi kvLv Awdm| A_P wevcb jLv wQjv
GKwU enr Mc Ad Kvvwbi K_v|
AvjvcPvwiZvi GK chvq cwZe`K ciw`b wMq fvBfvi UvKv
`eb Rvbvj mB Kw_Z em ejjb, `yB-wZbk _vKjI ne|
AvRKB cixv wbq bB| evwK UvKv AvMvgxKvj Gm w`qb| ci
GB cwZe`K 200 UvKv w`q fvBfv cixv `b| cixv kl em
ejjb, GLb AvcbvK Kgc 10 nvRvi UvKvi GKUv exgv Gb
w`Z ne| Zvnj Avcwb vqx wbqvMc cveb| G evcvi evqiv
jvBd Byii cavb Kvhvjq hvMvhvM Kij ejv nq, gvnv`cyi
Zv`i Kvbv kvLv Awdm bBPvKwi `qvi ckB IV bv|
Abymvb Rvbv MQ, Gfve gwLK cixv bqvi bvg c_gB
cv_x`i KvQ _K wKQy UvKv nvwZq bqv nq| Gici cwkYi bvg
Kiv nq bvbv nqivwb| GKmgq cv_xiv wbRivB wei nq fyqv Hme
cwZvb Avi hvMvhvM Ki bv| Kij cjvfb `wLq Zv`i KvQ
_K Aviv UvKv bqv nq| GKw`b Kw_Z AwdmB DavI nq hvq|
GiKg cZviYvi wkKvi GK ZiYx GKwU GbwRIZ fvjv c`
PvKwii wew `L iscyi _K Ave`b KiwQjb| ZvK ejv nq,
XvKvq Gm Ave`bc c~iY Ki GKwU cwkY wbZ ne| cwkY
kl iscyi GbwRIwUi kvLv AwdmB wZwb hvM w`Z cvieb|
XvKvq Gm Kw_Z mB GbwRIi mv_ hvMvhvM Kij cwkY I
Abvb wd eve` bq nvRvi UvKv w`Z ne ej ZvK Rvbvbv nq| wK
GB UvKvi K_v wbqvM wewZ Dj-L wQjv bv| LuvR wbq RvbZ
cvib, cwkYi bvg UvKv bqvB GB fyqv cwZvbwUi KvRw`bi
ci w`b PvKwicv_xK ayB nqivwb Kiv| GK mgq UvKvi gvqv Qo
w`Z eva nq mevB| PvKwi mvbvi nwiY nqB _vK|
ce 2 \ mvdj

369

gq`i wbq wfb cZviYv

PvKwii cjvfb `wLq duv` dj bvbvfve gq`i cZvwiZ Kiv
nQ| Kkj duv` dj AbKKB AvcwKi KvR KiZ eva Kiv
nQ| AbKB gvm bv civZB PvKwi QvoZ eva nQb|
mcwZ BdvK-G dvb Ki GiKg fyfvMx GK ZiYx Rvbvb
Zvi cZvwiZ nIqvi AwfZvi K_v| wZwb ejb, PvKwii mvZ w`b bv
hZB PvKwi`vZv lvUva f`jvK (!) Avgvi ewMZ welq wbq K_v
ejv i Kib| Gici nVvr GKw`b wZwb AvgvK Zvi cvc_i evmvq
hvevi AvgY Rvbvb| Zvi evmvq hvIqvi `vwiK Kvbv cqvRb wQjv
bv| LuvR wbq RvbZ cvwi, Zvi cwievii Ab Kvbv m`m H evmvq
_vK bv| ZiYxwU Avc Ki ejb, Avmj PvKwi `qv bq, PvKwii
bvg Ki gq`i bvbvfve eenvi KivB GB dvkb nvDRi gvwjKi
Dk| ci eva nq PvKwiUvB Qo `B|
bvgKiv cwZvbI cZviYv KiQ!
PjwZ eQii gvP gvm GKwU c_g kYxi emiKvwi msvq (GbwRI)
Rbej wbqvMK K` Ki Awbqgi NUbvq ivRavbxi gvnv`cyi
GjvKvq evcK msNl nq| cZviYvi wkKvi PvKwicv_xiv ivvq
evwiKW w`q wevf Ki| AwfhvM, cvq 16 nvRvi PvKwicv_xK
cekc w`q RbcwZ 50 UvKv Ki AZ AvU jvL UvKv nvwZq
wbqQ GbwRIwU| UvKv bqvi welqwU wbqvM wewZ wQjv bv|
cZviYvi m RwoZ kwkvjx P
GB P AZ m~ Kkj GB cZviYv Ki _vK| Kvbv miKvwi,
emiKvwi cwZvb cwKvq wbqvM wew w`j GB P c_g Zv msMn
Ki| Zvici `ki cZ Aj wbqvMc `wLq eKvi`i PvKwi
`qvi cjvfb `Lvq| Gfve 50 _K 60 Rb PvKwicv_x hvMvo
Ki| ci ivRavbxZ Awdm wbq mB PvKwi`vZv cwZvbi mvBbevW
Szwjq Zv`i cixv bqv nq| GgbwK ^v-cixv _K i Ki
cywjk fwiwdKkbmewKQyB Kiv nq cZviYvi gvag| Pi GK
m`mKB evbvbv nq wbqvMKZv| cixv kl Nyl bv w`j PvKwi ne
bv ej PvKwicv_x cZKi KvQ _K KqK jvL UvKv Ki nvwZq
bqv nq| GgbwK WvKhvM fyqv wbqvMcI cvVvbv nq|
370

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

UvKv avi w`q cZvwiZ

ck : cwiwPZ I ez`i UvKv avi w`j AbK mgq diZ cvIqv hvq
bv| Gme KiYxq Kx?
Di : GUv GKUv mvaviY mgmv| ewkifvM B cwiwPZ I ey`i
avi `qvi ci wdi cvIqvi AwfZv ek wZ| AbK mgq diZI
cvIqv hvq bv| G Avcwb hw` gb Kib cwiwPZ`i Avw_K
msKU mvnvh Kiv `iKvi, KiZ cvib| wK hZ mUv wbt^v_ Ges
wbtkZfve KiZ cvieb ZZ Avcwb gvbwmK ckvwZ _vKeb| wK
hw` Kvbv cZvkv ivLb Zvnj AvkvnZ nZ cvib| gvbwmK
wZZvI ne ZLbB| GKRbi AwfZv byb Zvi wbRi RevwbZB
Avgvi GK ez KvVi eemv KiZv| m GKw`b bjv h, evsK
Avgvi cuvP j UvKv AvQ| wRm Kijv, evsK ivLj cuvP jvL
UvKv _K mevP KZ jvf nZ cvi? Avwg ejjvg, cuvP/ mvZ nvRvi
UvKv| m ejjv, GK jvL 20 nvRvi UvKv jvf Kiv me| Zvgvi cuvP
jvL UvKv AvgvK `vI| Avwg ZvgvK 20 w`bi ga 40 nvRvi UvKv
jvfmn diZ `ev| m`n bB, Avwg jvfvZzi nq DVjvg| fvejvg,
Avgvi UvKvjv Zv evsK Ajm coB AvQ| gv 20 w`bi Rb
w`q hw` 40 nvRvi UvKv cvIqv hvq wZ Kx? diZ cq Avevi iL
`qv hve| w`jvg ZvK cuvP j UvKv|
20 w`b cvi njv| w`Z cvijv bv| ejjv, mgmv nqQ, UvKv
w`Z `wi ne| cieZx GK eQiI cjvg bv| bv jvf, bv Avmj|
Zvici MZ cuvP eQi AmsLevi aibv w`q KqK `dvq gvUvgywU 30
nvRvii gZv Dvi Kiv MQ| wK GUv KiZ wMq Zvi Lye
weivMfvRb nqwQ| cwiwPZ`i KvQ Avgvi bvg AbK Kzrmv I wg_v
iwUqQ| Zvici ejQ, Avi w`Z cvie bv| eemv bvwK Lye Lvivc,
e cvq| hw`I Avwg Lei cvB, Zvi eemv fvjvB PjQ|
KvRB UvKv hw` avi w`ZB Pvb, Kvbv cZvkv Qvov hZUzKz `qv
hvq ZZUzKzB w`b| Avi hw` gb Kib, avi w`q diZi Rb aibv
w`Z Pvb bv ev gvbwmK Kvbv Pvc beb bv, Zvnj wmv AvcbvKB
wbZ ne h, avi Avcwb `eb wK bv|
ce 2 \ mvdj

371

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ck : AvZxq-ez`i viv hLb cZviYvi wkKvi nB ZLb Kx KiYxq?
Di : AvZxq-ezivB KiK ev Ab jvK KiK, cZviYvi evcvi
AvcbvK memgqB mPZb _vKZ ne| GgbwK fvB, evb ev Nwb
ezi vivI Avcwb cZvwiZ nZ cvib| NUbvjv Lye `ytLRbK wKsev
AbvKvwZ, wK eve Zv NUQ| GK f`jvK evnivBb wbR^
Kvvwb PvjvZb| nVvr Riwi KviY 15 w`bi Rb ZvK `k
AvmZ nq| ezK `vwqZ w`q Avmb| wK `k Avmvi KqKw`b
AvM gvqi gZz Ges KqKw`b ci evevi gZz, evevi kl BQv
wnme weq Kiv BZvw` KviY Zvi wdiZ wdiZ cuvP gvm `wi nq
hvq| evnivBb wdi wMq wbRK wZwb GKRb wbt^, Kc`Kk~b gvbyl
wnme Avwevi Kijb| KviY Zvi AbycwwZi myhvM Zvi mB ez
Ges KvwRb wgj KvvwbUv wbR`i bvg Kwiq wbqQ| Kvvwbi
Mvwo, jvKej, evsK evjme wgwjq Zvi cvq `oKvwU UvKvi
m` nvZQvov nq Mj ay mijZvi KviY|
Avmj ez ev AvZxq nj gvbyl h fyjUv KiAwZwi wekvm
KiZ wMq cvwZvwbK wbqgbxwZ AbymiYi cqvRb eva Ki bv|
AviKRb f`jvKwZwbI Zvi Lye Nwb GK ezK Zvi eemvi GKUv
cRi `vwqZ w`qwQjb| c_g c_g fvjvB PjwQjv `L wZwb
cyiv `vwqZB Zvi Ici Qo `b| wnmewbKk hv w`Zv Zv-B wVK
gb KiZb| LwZq `LZb bv| GgbwK KD KD hLb ZvK mveavb
KiZ PvBjv, wZwb Dv Aviv fyj eySjb GB fe h, ezi cwZ
Clvw^Z nq evanq Giv Gme ejQ| klgk hLb eySjb ZLb
AbK `wi nqQ| Zvi mij wekvmi myhvM wbq ezwU ZZw`b
wekvj Ai A_ nvwZq wbqQ wbRi bvg| GKB f`jvK Zvi QvU
fvBK wekvm KiI GKBfve VKQb| Zvi aviYv wQjv, h fvBK
wbR jLvcov KwiqQb, eemv eywSqQbm wK GiKg KiZ cvi?
wK cvi h, Zv Zv m KiB `Lvjv|
Avw_K ev eemvwqK hKvbv welq cvwZvwbK wbqgbxwZ
myfve AbymiY Kij AbK cZviYv _K Avcwb iv cveb|
372

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

KbvKvUv KiZ wMq

ck : KbvKvUvq cZvwiZ nIqvi g~j KviY Kx?
Di : KbvKvUvq cZvwiZ nIqvi GKUv eo KviY njv mv wRwbmi
cwZ AvKlY| Avgiv AbK mgq mv bB mUv Kbvi Rb Suvwcq
cwo| dj cZvwiZ nB| GKRbi AwfZv GiKg
GKUv wcUvi Kbvi Rb wMqwQjvg AvBwWweZ| c_g kvig
Mjvg| Iiv ejjv, `vg AvU nvRvi UvKv| Avwg fvejvg Ab `vKvb
`L wbB| Ici GgbB GKUv `vKvb wMq Rvbjvg, GKB wcUvi
7,500 UvKv| `vgi GB dvivK bvwK kvig nIqvi Rb| Avwg
fvejvg, wRwbm hLb GK, ZLb kvig _K Kbvi Kx `iKvi? wbq
Gjvg 7,500 UvKvi wcUvi| evmvq Gm A KqKUv wcU w`qB `wL
Kvwj kl nq MQ| wbq Mjvg `vKvb| Iiv ejjv, AvcbvK Zv
wiwdj KvwUR w`qQ| Avwg ejjvg, wbqwQ Zv Avcbv`i `vKvb
_K| c_g ^xKvi KiZ Pvq bv| ci Kbvi iwk` `Lvj ejjv,
Zv wVK AvQ| wK Avgiv Zv wcUvii IqviwU w`qwQ| KvwURi
IqviwU Zv `B wb| Zv`i KvQ _K Av`vq KiZ cvijvgB bv|
A_vr wKQy wKQy KbvKvUv AvQ hv mvq KiZ bv PvIqvB fvjv|
Zvnj GiKg cvZ nq| Avevi `vgv`vwg KiZ wMq G aviYvUvI
ivLZ ne h, hv wKbZ PvBQb Zv KZ Kgvbv me? hgb, GKevi
GKwU Qj Pvgovi RyZv wKbZ wMq 2,900 UvKv `vg b `iv`wi
KiZ Mj| weZv kl ch 1,000 UvKvq ivwR njv| wKb Avbvi
`yw`bi gv_vq hLb RyZvi Icii Qvj DV Mj ZLbB m eySjv,
Kb GZ Kg `vg weZv w`q w`qwQjv| Pvgovi GKUv RyZv GZUv
Kg `vg Kbv h me bv, mvq cvQ ej AvZnviv nq hvIqvi m
gyn~Z Zv Zvi gb nq wb|
Avi ninvgkv gvbyl VK hLvb Zv njv KuvPvevRvi| Avi Gi g~j
KviY `L bv Kbv ev ZvovovZ Kbv| hgb, GK f`jvK evRvi
wMq gyiwMi `vKvb gyiwM AWvi w`q mewR evRvi _K Nyi AvmZ
Mjb| h_vixwZ evRvii evM weZv gyiwM XywKq w`jv| evmvq
evbK hLb KvUZ w`qQb, evb Gm ejjv, fvBqv, `L, gyiwMUv
ce 2 \ mvdj

373

hb Kgb GKUz dvjv dvjv| Avi i h evBi _K Mvq gvwLq

w`qQ Zv Zv B evSv hvQ| Zviv eySjb, bv `Lvi myhvM
`vKvb`vi giv gyiwM w`q w`qQ|
Avevi AbK mgq `L wKbjI Avcwb VKZ cvib hw` Avcbvi
`LvUv cwic~Y bv nq| hgb, GKevi GK f`jvK Kgjv wKbeb|
Ab `vKvwbi Pq `vg PvBjv 10 UvKv Kg| Gw`K ivZ ZLb AvUUv
evR| GKUv nvRvKi Avjv RjwQjv `vKvb`vii Kgjv evSvB
wiKkv fvb| GZ Kg `vg Avi Kv_vI cvIqv hve bv gb Ki wZwb
wKb wbjb| `vKvwb PvLi cjK VvOvq fi djjv GK WRb
Kgjv| Kvbv cPvUPv AvQ wK bv `LZ PvBj `vKvwb Lye Rvi
Mjvq ejZ jvMjv, Avgvi cyiv SzwoZ hw` GKUv cPv Kgjv cvb Zv
Avwg 100 UvKv w`gy| nvRvKi Avjvq PKPK Kiv Kgjvjvi w`K
ZvwKq ZviI gb njv, mwZB Zv, GLvb Kvbv cPv Kgjv _vKv
me bq| evmvq Gb `Lb AaK msLK KgjvB cPv-Mjv| Avmj
evcviwU wQjv, `vKvwb Kgjvjvi cPv AskUv iLwQjv wbPi
w`K| Avi nvRvKi Avjvq PKPK KiwQjv Gi Icii Askjv|
ck : KbvKvUvq cZviYv Govbvi Rb Kx Kiv DwPZ?
Di : KbvKvUvq cZviYv Govbvi Rb GKwU wUcm gb ivLZ
cvib h, wRwbm eyS bv cq KLbv `vg cwikva Kieb bv| GK
`wZi K_v ewj
Zviv evmv e`jveb| BUvibU evmv LyuRwQjb| hiKg PvwQjb
miKg GKUv evmv cqI Mjb| fvovI Lye Kg| evwoIqvjv cwiPq
h B-gBj GWm wQjv ZvZ gBj Ki w`jb| Gici GKw`b
hvMvhvM Ki `LZ Mjb evmvUv| `L Aviv fvjv jvMjv| Zviv
wmv wbjb hZ kxN me G evmvUvB Zv`i PvB| wWcvwRU KZ w`Z
ne wRm Kijb| evwoIqvjv cwiPqavix jvKwU Lye Kg GWfvi
K_v ejjv| mBmv_ ejjv, hw` GLbB wWcvwRU bv `b Zvnj evmv
Ab Kviv cQ` nj ZvK w`q `qv ne| b ^vgx f`jvKwU
GwUGg ey_ _K UvKv Zzj ZLbB ZvK w`q w`jb| jvKwU ejjv,
PvweUv AvcbvK KvjK wbZ ne| KviY GB dvUi Wywc-KU Kvbv
374

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Pvwe bB| GUv wbq wKQyB wPv Kijb bv wZwb| KviY jvKwUi
gvevBj b^i Zv`i KvQ wQjv| Avi evmvUvI Pbv| wK ciw`b Zviv
AbKevi Kj KiI jvKwUK Avi cjb bv| evmvq wMq `Lb
Wvi jK| Zv`i GWfvi cyiv UvKvUvB gviv Mj|
ck : ay KbvKvUv KiZ MjB wK gvbyl VK? wew KiZ wMq wK
VK bv? m KiYxq Kx?
Di : wew KiZ wMqI Avcwb VKZ cvib| GKRb weZvi
cZvwiZ nIqvi Kvwnbx byb :
gvBWvm AvqvwRZ ekvLx gjvq nvwvdUmi j w`qwQjvg|
c_g KqKw`b wew Zgb wQjv bv| gjvi ZZxq w`b, ZLb cvq
`ycyi nq GmQ| GK gwnjv Zv Gm GKUv UwejgvUi `vg
wRm Kijv| Avwg ejjvg, 70 UvKv| gwnjv `vg KgvZ ejjv|
Avwg 60 UvKv ejjvg| gwnjv evM _K 500 UvKv ei Ki Avgvi
w`K GwMq w`ZB ejjvg fvswZ bB| m bvUUv Zvi evM iL
w`jv| cvk Avgvi evb AviK Zvi KvQ wKQy wew Ki AvgvK
UvKv w`jv| Avwg `vg iL evwKUv wdwiq w`jvg| gwnjv ZLb ejjv,
Avgvi evwK UvKv? Avwg ejjvg, Avwg Zv Avcbvi UvKv bB wb! m
ejjv, Kx ejQb Avcwb? GB bv wKQyY AvM w`jvg AvcbvK? ejB
Ggb Rvi Mjvq wPrKvi-PuvPvgwP i Kijv h, Avgiv nZf^ nq
Mjvg| Avwg AveviI evM PK Kijvg| meB Avgvi UvKv| kl Kx
Avi Kiev? Avgvi _KB ZvK w`q w`jvg 500 UvKv| ZviciI
gwnjvi nw^Zw^ KgQ bv| MUi KvQ wMqI wPrKvi KiwQjv|
GB gjviB AviKw`bi NUbv| GK gwnjv `yUv kvwo `Ljv|
AbK `vgv`vwg Kijv| ejjv GKUv be| Avwg cvKU Ki w`jvg|
m `vg w`q Pj Mj| ZLb `wL Ab kvwoUvI bB| KLb Kvb
duvK wbq Mj LqvjB Kwi wb| G `yUv NUbvB NUQ weZvi
AmveavbZvi KviY| cZviKiv nqZv Kzkjx wQjv| wK Zvi DwPZ
wQjv, wRwbm Ges jb`bi evcvi Aviv mZK nIqv| KviY
Zvekx cZviKiv hw` me weZvKB GiKg VKvZ cviZv Zvnj
Zv KD Avi `vKvb PvjvZ cviZv bv|
ce 2 \ mvdj

375

Rwg wKbZ wMq cZvwiZ

ck : RwgRgv Zv Lye Svgjvi wRwbm| cZvwiZ nev GB fq Gme
Kbv _K `~i _vKZ PvB|
Di : GUv wVKRwgRgv Kbv wKQyUv Svgjvi KvR| wK cZvwiZ
nIqvi K_v AvMB fveQb Kb? Avcwb hw` mPZb _vKb, Abi
civgk cfvweZ bv nb Ges wbRi hyweyw KvR jvMvb Zvnj Avcwb
KLbv cZvwiZ neb bv| Avmj mij wekvm AbK mgq cZvwiZ nZ
mvnvh Ki| GKwU NUbv Avcbvi PvL Lyj w`Z cvi
GK cexY ew kni GjvKvq GKwU Rwg wKbZ PvwQjb|
`Lb GKwU Rwg cQ`I Kijb| Rwgi gvwjK ejjv, evqbv Kiv
AvQ| Rwgi `wjj I evqbvi `wjji dUvKwc Zvi KvQ _K cjb
cexY ew| wZwb Avevi Gjv `LZ w`jb Zvi cwiwPZ GKRbK
Ges AviKRb DwKjKhviv RvqMv-Rwg evS| Zviv `yRbB ejjb,
KvMRc me wVK AvQ| Zv`i KvQ _K Avkvm cq cexY ewwU
Aviv wbw njb|
Gw`K Rwgi gvwjK ejjv, GLb 10 jvL UvKv w`b| evwK UvKv
w`Z cvij wZb gvmi gaB Avwg Rwg iwRw Ki `ev| wZwb
ZLb Zvovov Ki Mvgi Rwg wew Ki mvZ jvL UvKv Zzj w`jb
jvKwUi nvZ| wZb gvm cvi njv| Rwgi gvwjK ejjv, wKQy mgmv
nqQ| Aviv UvKv jvMe| wZwb Aviv GK jvL UvKv w`jb| GBfve
cuvP eQi gvU 27 jvL UvKv wZwb H jvKwUK w`qQb| cwZevi UvKv
`qvi mgq wZwb H wekl Ges DwKj`yRbi m K_v ej wbZb|
Zviv ZvK Avkvm w`Zv, UvKv w`Z Drmvn w`Zv|
BZvga wZwb AviKRb DwKji KvQ Mjb mg KvMRc
wbq| DwKj mvne me `Lb ejjb, evqbv `wjj cyiv fyqv| cexY
f`jvKi gv_vq AvKvk fO cojv| Zvnj AvMi DwKj h memgq
me wVK AvQ ejZv?
Rvbv Mj, Rwgi gvwjK, DwKj I weklGB wZbRb wgj GKUv
RvU| ZvivB GZw`b cexY gvbylwUi mijZvi myhvM wbq Zvi KvQ
_K UvKv wbqQ| nvwZq wbqQ Zvi mvivRxebi mq|
376

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

GLvb wbtm`n cZviK`i kVZvi wb`v Rvbvevi fvlv bB| wK

cexY ewwUiI wKQy `vq AvQ| Rwg nvZ bv Avmv mI eQii ci
eQi Gfve UvKv w`q hvIqv Zvi wVK nq wb| wekl ev DwKj`i
cwZ GZUv Avv ivLvI Zvi DwPZ nq wb|

mvnvh KiZ wMq

ck : wg_v ej mvnvh Pq hviv gvbyli AveMi Aceenvi Ki
Zviv wK cZviK bq?
Di : cZviK Zv eUB| GKRbi NUbv GiKg
ZLb Avwg GBPGmwmi Qv| GKw`b ivv w`q nuvUwQ| nVvr
`Ljvg, GKwU jvK Lye Kv nq nuvUQ| AvgvK wRm Kijv
KqUv evR Ges MveZjx KZ`~i? Di w`Z wMq Rvbjvg, m GLb
MveZjxZ nuU hve| mLvb cibi Kvco wew Ki wKQy Lve| Avi
Zvici cwiwPZ Kvbv Mvwo ai Mvgi evwoZ wdi hve|
Avgvi KZ~nj evojv| Zvi mv_ Aviv K_v ej Rvbjvg, m Avi
Zvi evev Mvg KwlKvR Ki RxebaviY KiZv| wbR`i RwgI AvQ|
wK GKUv `yNUbvq Zvi evev MvQ _K co AvnZ nb| Wvvi ejQ
wZb nvRvi UvKv nj Acvikb Kiv hve| fvjv nq hve Zvi evev|
m XvKvq GmwQjv mB UvKvi eev KiZ| fewQjv, wiKkv
Pvwjq UvKv hvMvo Kie| wK Avmvi c_ Zvi mewKQy Pzwi nq hvq,
Avi G Kw`b NyiI m Kvbv KvR hvMvo KiZ cvi wb| Abvnvi,
Kc`Kk~b nq KqKw`b NvivNywi Ki m GLb wdi hvQ Mvg|
Zvi `ki evwo Avgvi bvbyi evwoi KvQ| fvlv bI Zv-B gb
njv| Zvi nZevK PnvivUv `L LyeB gvqv njv| gb njv, mwZ
K_vB ejQ| wRm Kijvg, evevi wPwKrmvi Kx ne? ejjv, RwgUv
wew Ki `e| Zvi Aviv `ywU AweevwnZ evb AvQ| Zv`i fwelr
wbqI m wPwZ|
fveZ jvMjvg, gvbyl KZ A UvKvi Rb Amnvq nq co! ZvK
evmv ch Gb `iRvi mvgb `uvovZ ejjvg| fZi _K 1,500
ce 2 \ mvdj

377

UvKv wbq Gm Zvi nvZ w`jvg| ejjvg, evwKUv wbRK hvMvo

KiZ| Zvi nZwenj Pnviv `L Aveviv gb njv, mwZB m
wecb| hvK, GKUv fvjv KvR KiZ ciwQ fe Lye Zw cjvg|
AbKw`b ci Avgvi GK KvwRbi KvQ _K e GKB NUbv b
eySjvgGKB jvK, mewKQy GKB| A_vr GUv wQjv GKUv cZviYv|
KvRB evKv neb bv| KvDK mnhvwMZv KiZ wMq GKRb
ckv`vi cZviKi wkKvi nQb wK bv GUv AvcbvK eySZ ne|
ck : Kviv Ki K_v bj gb `yej nq hvq| m Kxfve
mveavb nev?
Di : DcvqAveMceY nq hveb bv| Avi G mg hUv `Lv
hvq, cZviK Lye ewk AveMi Avkq bq| KviY m Rvb, AveM
w`qB gvbyli Kvgj Abyf~wZK m eenvi KiZ cvie Zvi KvR|
Avi ewkifvM B cwiwwZUv _vK GKUz A^vfvweK| GKRb
ZiYi AwfZv GiKg
GK kxZi ivZ mvo 10Uvi w`K evmvq AvmwQjvg| ivvNvU LyeB
wbRb| MUi KvQ AvmZB wb MvQi wbPi AKvi _K Kvbvi
AvIqvR AvmQ| fvjv Ki ZvwKq `wL cvq lvUva eqmi GKRb
wiKkvIqvjv wiKkv wbq `uvwoq AvQ| wRm Kijvg, Kx nqQ?
Rvbvjv, AvR mvivw`b wiKkv Pvwjq m hv DcvRb KiQ Zvi me
wQbZvB nq MQ wKQyY AvM| AvMvgxKvj Qji zji eB wKbZ
ne| m GLb Kx Kie? wRm Kijvg, KZ UvKv? GKUv cwigvY
ejjv| Avwg fvejvg, G mvgvb KwU UvKvi Rb GKRb gvbyl GZ
Amnvq nq coQ! cKU _K cyiv UvKvUv ZvK w`q evmvq Gm
fvejvghvK, GKRb gvbyli Rb wKQy KiZ cvijvg AvR|
KqKw`b ci GKB mgq hLb evmvq AvmwQjvg, cvki ivW `wL
mB jvK wiKkvi mvgb `uvwoq GKBfve Kuv`Q| ZLbB eySjvg,
Avgvi AveMK eenvi KiQ mvnvhi bvg cZviYvKvix GB ew|
AviK f`gwnjvi Kvwnbx GiKgGKevi Avwg GKUv wiKkvq
PowQ| wKQy`~i hvIqvi ci i njv wiKkvIqvjvi Kvwnbx eYbv|
MZKvj wgUdvW nvmcvZvj wmRvwiqvb Acvikbi gvag Zvi xi
378

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

`yUv RgR evPv nqQ| nvmcvZvji wej wnme GKUv eo Ai

UvKv ZvK GLb w`Z ne| mB mv_ AvQ Ilya, evPv`i
RvgvKvcoi LiP BZvw`| ZLb Avevi wQjv cP kxZi mgq| evmvq
bvwgq Lye KiYfve Avgvi KvQ mvnvh PvBjv| AbKjv
cmwckb `Lvjv| Avgvi Lye Lvivc jvMwQjv| fvejvg, wec`i
KvQ gvbyl KZ Amnvq! ZvK UvKv w`jvg, xi Rb kvwo w`jvg,
evPv`i Kvco w`jvg (ZLb Avgvi evPvivI QvU wQjv)|
wiKkvIqvjvK we`vq Ki wmuwo w`q DVZ DVZB wb wbP Avgvi
`ei Kvi mv_ hb ivMx Mjvq K_v ejQ| ci Zvi KvQ bjvg,
GK/ `o gvm AvM GB GKB wiKkvIqvjv GKB Kvwnbx wbq Avgvi
`eii KvQ _KI cKU DRvo Ki mvnvh wbq MQ| Zvi gvb m
wiKkv Pvjvq wVKB, wK cvkvcvwk hvx`iK evKv evwbq Gfve
Aviv ivRMvi Ki|

agxq Abyf~wZK KvR jvwMq

ck : gvevBj dvb cvqB GKUv gmR cvB| gmRUv njvjv
Bjvnv Bj-vj-vn&GB Kvjgv bvwK cvIqvi mv_ mv_ 12 Rb gvbylK
cvVvj 12 Nvi ga h Kviv Aev DbwZi w`K hve| Avi GUv bv
Kij eo iKgi wZ ne| iRx, Avcbvi civgk Kx?
Di : These are all bogus things. Gjv nQ GK aibi
cvMjvgx Ges GK aibi cZviYv| Gme cvVvj hw` Aev DbwZi
w`K hvq Zvnj Zv hviv Kvjgv cKvk KiQ, eB QvcQ Zv`i Aev
ivZvivwZ DbwZi w`K hvIqv DwPZ| Zv Zv hvQ bv| Avj-vni Kvjvg
cPvi Kiv GK wRwbm, ZvZ wbqB eiKZ AvQ| wK bv Kij wZ
neGB fq `wLq cPvi eva Kiv wVK bq|
GiKg cPviYv AvMI nZv| AvM wPwV `qv nZvGB wPwV
cvIqvi mv_ mv_ Kwc Ki 40Uv wewj Kwieb| wewj bv Kivq AgyKi
gq gviv MQ, AgyKi x weaev nqQ| fq jvKRb Gjv Qc
ev Kwc Ki wewj KiZv| Gjv me fyqv| Bmjvgi bvg bj ev
ce 2 \ mvdj

379

agi mv_ mswk-Zvi K_v bj Avgiv AveMceY nq hvB, A_ev fq

cq hvB, bv Rvwb Gi K_v bv bj Avj-vni Kvb MRe bvwhj nq|
Gi myhvM MnY Ki cZviKiv| AZGe hKvbv c`c bqvi AvM
fvjvgZv wPv-fvebv Ki beb|
ck : wKQyw`b njv GKRb KvqvUvg MvRyqU AvgvK GKUv GmGgGm
KiQ| mwU wbicgv kixd GKRb jvKK nhiZ (m) ^c
ejQb, Avgvi DZK ej `vIZviv hb KviAvbi ZjvIqvZ
Ki, bvgvRi ZvwM` Ki Ges GB GmGgGmUv h 11 RbK m
Kie, m bq w`bi ga fvjv Lei cve, bqZv 15 eQi ch
Kvbv Lywki msev` cve bv| GLvb Avgvi, Avgv`i KiYxq Kx?
Di : KiYxq nQ, GB GmGgGm wbR bv Kiv Ges Ab KD hvZ
bv Ki mRb ZvK mPZb Kiv| KviY GUv Zv Kvbv MnYhvM
K_v bq h, bexRx (m) KvDK ejQb, Zzwg GUv Kie, bv Kij Zzwg
15 eQi Kvbv Lywki msev` cve bv| Avmj Gjv nQ mvgvRev`x
Pi wKQy lohi bgybv hviv mvaviY gvbyli agxq Abyf~wZ wbq
eemv KiZ Pvq Ges GUv eRvwZK Kvvwbi ^v_B| hgb, GB h
GmGgGmGi jvf K cve? jvf cve Avgv`i `k eemv KiQ h
eRvwZK gvevBj Kvvwbjv, Zviv|
cZviYv ay GmGgGm KiB bq, cZviYv dvb KiI nZ cvi|
GKwU NUbvGKevi GKRb Mfxi ivZ gvevBj Kj cvbivZ GB
mgq euvk KvUj cvwb cvIqv hve Ges mB cvwb Lj hKvbv ivM
fvjv nq hve|
DV `Lb mevB `v, jvBU wbq euvkSvoi w`K `ovQ|
SzSjb, Zvi gZv GivI Kj cqQ| h_vixwZ euvk KU cvwb msMn
Ki Zv LjvI AbK| wZwb wbRI cvwb ei Ki GKRbK LZ
w`qQb| wK GB cvwb Lq KD fvjv nqQb Ggb K_v KLbv
kvbv hvq wb|
AZGe, Avgiv mevB G welqjvi evcvi Lye mZK _vKev hvZ
G aibi Kvbv AnZyK KvR Rwoq wbRi A_, mgq Ges gavi
AcPq bv Kwi|
380

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

gvbyli `yej gyn~ZjvKB KvR jvMvq cZviK| GK MvRyqUi

NUbvAvgvi evevi gZzi ci ci GK`j jvK nVvr Ki Avgv`i
evmvq Gjb| `yPvi K_vi ci ejv i Kijb, Avcbvi evev Avgv`i
gv`vmvi GK cxii gywi` wQjb| GKk QjK Zviv KviAvb wkv
w`qwQjb| Avgvi evev bvwK ejwQjb, Dwb mevBK KviAvb kixd
wMdU Kieb| Zvi gZy nqQ RvbZ ci GB kl BQvi K_v
Avgv`i bv Rvwbq Zviv kvw cvQb bv| gZ ewi AvZvi kvw b
nvK GUv Zviv PvQb bv| ZvB Avgvi fvBK evSvjb h, GUv GLbB
Zvi `qv DwPZ| Zviv `vqv-`i` cowQjb Ges evi evi `iRvi w`K
ZvKvwQjb| ejwQjb, Avcbv`i gBb MU e ivLb| Avgv`i
KvDK ei nZI w`wQjb bv|
c_g _KB welqwU Avgvi cQ` nwQjv bv Ges Awdm `wi nq
hvQ `L Awi nq hvwQjvg| fvBqv hLb cyivcywi BgcmW Ges
I`iK UvKv w`Z PvwQjb, GKgv Avwg wbla KiwQjvg h, I`i
KvQ UvKv bv w`q Avgiv KviAvb kixd wKb w`B|
wK fvBqv Kvbv K_v bv b GwUGg ey_ _K 12 nvRvi UvKv
Zzj w`q w`jb| UvKv `qvi ci Ii Av Av LUKv jvMZ i
Kijv, Giv Kviv| AvmjB Giv gv`vmvi jvK wQjv wK? Avgvi evevi
gZyZ Iiv GZ KvbvKvwU Kijv Kb! GgbwK GKRbI Zv`i Kvbv
bvg ejwb Avgv`i KvQ| Kvbv wKQy hvPvB bv Ki GB `yw`b FY
Kiv UvKv _K GB `yB cZviKK UvKv w`q Kx h gvbwmK Aev
nqwQjv Avgv`i Zv ejvi bv|
agxq Abyf~wZK KvR jvwMq GB cZviYvi g~j Kkj wQjv
AveM| Zvi fvB hnZz AveMceY wQjb, evevi Kvbv BQv hb
Ac~Y bv _K hvq Zv wbwZ Kivi Rb Dwb GZB D`Mxe wQjb h,
NUbvwU Zwjq `Lvi Kvbv cqvRb gb Kib wb| Avmj cZviKiv
wK Lye fvjv KiB Rvb, Avgv`i `yej w`K KvbjvKvb Kvb
evcvi Avgiv AveMceY nZ cvwi| mfveB Zviv Zv`i duv` iPbv
Ki| AZGe mveavb _vKeb, mKj cwiwwZZB wePvieyw cqvM
Kieb| cZviK`i nvZ UvKv Zzj `qvi Rb Awi bv nq
hywmZ K_vevZv ejQ wK bv mUv hvPvB Kieb| Avgj beb ez
ev cwiRb`i mveavb evYx|
ce 2 \ mvdj

381

BUvibU/ gvevBj cZviYv

ck : iRx, gvS gvS BUvibU `wL, Avwg jUvwi wRZwQ| AbK
UvKv cvev| Avwg Aek wekvm Kwi wb| ZviciI gb nq fyj KiwQ|
Di : gvUB fyj KiQb bv| Avgv`i GB webv cwikg A_jvfi
jvfK cZviKiv h KZfve eenvi KiQ Zvi Bqv bB| AvRKvj
Zv cZviYvi GKwU Rbwcq gvag nQ BUvibU| Avgv`i GK
cwiwPZ Zvi B-gBj Icb KiB jvd w`q DVjb h, cqwQ| Ges
mv_ mv_ wbqZ Kijb h, GUv hw` wVK nq Zv gvwUi evsK GK
j UvKv `eb| eySZB cviQb, KZ UvKv nj gvwUi evsK jvL
UvKvi evcvi AvmZ cvi|
evcviUv njv, mviv cw_exZ BUvibU I B-gBj eenviKvix`i
ga _K bvwK gvBvmdU Ges Mj GK nvRvi RbK ivbWg
wmjKkbi gvag (BjwbK Kvwksqi gvag) eQ wbqQ hviv
cZK GK wgwjqb Wjvi cve| Avi GB wj Zvi bvgI AvQ| Lye
Lywk nq m wic-vB w`jv|
Gici Zvi KvQ wPwV GjvGLb G UvKvUv Zvi GKvDU Uvdvi
Kivi Rb BDK _K GKRb wWc-vgvU Avme hvi GqvicvU
cmwmsqi Rb 2,500 Wjvi GLb cvVvZ ne| wZwb GmB GKvDU
cmwms Kiebdv Uvdvi nq hve| wPv Kib, GKRb gvbyl Kx
cwigvY AvnvK nZ cvi! hLvb Iqvb wgwjqb Wjvi jUvwiZ cvQ
mLvb Zv 2,500 Wjvi bqvi ckB IV bv| GUv Zv GKUv Kgb
m| 2,500 Wjvi KZ nq cvq `yB jvL UvKv| IqvKkc Gm Zvi
gb ck RMQ, GUv AjxK bv eve? UvKvUv bvwK Dwb Avevi iwW
Ki iLQb h, Avgvi mv_ `Lv nj wRm Kieb Ges Avwg
ejj `eb| KvRB BUvibU ev B-gBj G aibi Kvbv Advi
cjB mZK neb| Gjv Avmj cZviYvi duv`|
ck : cwiwPZ`i KvQ bwQ AbK mgq Zv`i gvevBj dvb Ki
ejv nq, Avcwb jUvwiZ GZ UvKv wRZQb| GLb GUv wbq hvb
BZvw`| Gjv wK cZviYv?
382

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Di : GjvI cZviYv| Avgv`i GK `vwqZkxj ejwQjb, Avgvi

gvevBj GKw`b GKUv Kj Gjv, Avwg AgyK (`ki GKwU kxlvbxq
gvevBj Kvvwbi bvg) Kvvwb _K ejwQ| Avcwb Avgv`i
jUvwiZ 80 nvRvi UvKv wRZQb| Avcbvi Kvbv evsK GKvDU
_vKj b^iUv w`b| cuvP wgwbUi ga Avcbvi GKvDU UvKv cuQ
hve| Ze GRb miKviK fvU w`Z ne 7,500 UvKv| UvKvUv
AvcbvKB w`Z ne|
GZjv K_v GKmv_ b Avwg ZLb ixwZgZv NvgwQ| ejjvg,
Kxfve `ev UvKvUv? m AvgvK PviUv gvevBj b^i w`q ejjv, GB
b^ijvZ GmGgGm Ki wZb wKwZ cvVvZ ne| Ze GK
gvevBji `vKvb _K cvVveb bv| NUbvUv GZ `Z NUjv h, Avwg
wKQy evSvi AvMB 600 UvKv dw Ki cvwVq w`jvg| mw^Z wdi
Gjv ZviciB| G Avwg Kx KiwQ? G Zv cZviYv|
AviKwU NUbvek KqK eQi AvM Avgvi Avevi KvQ GKUv
dvb GjvAvcbvi bvg jUvwiZ DVQ| AvMvgxKvj mvq Avgv`i
wVKvbvq Gj AvcbvK wekl cyivi `qv ne| evcviUv LuvR bqvi
Rb wZwb AvgvK ejjb| Avwg dvb Ki Zv`i K_v b gy|
wVKvbv wbq wbjvg| ciw`b mvq Uvw wbq gv-evev, evbK wbq
Avwg iIbv njvg gnvLvjxZ Zv`i Awdm| wMq `wL Avgv`i gZv
GiKg Aviv AbK GmQ| Avgv`iK emvbv njv GKUv ig|
wKQyY ci Gjb myU-UvB civ GK hyeK| `xNY ai AZ my`i
fvlvq wZwb Avgv`iK hv evSvjb Zv njv, Avgiv weklfve
wmjW| 60 _K 90 nvRvi UvKv w`q Zv`i m`m nj wd
wekgY KiZ cviev| Aviv bvbvb myweav AvQ, mgq ewk bB
BZvw`| hv-B nvK, wdi Gjvg Avgiv ek wegl nq| gb njv,
UvwZ Avgv`i hvIqv-Avmvi LiP, mgqmeB b njv GB
cZviK`i K_vq cjy nq|
AviKRbi gvevBj GKUv dvb GjvAvcwb Avgv`i jUvwiZ
GKwU gvUi mvBKj wRZQb| GB b^i cuvP nvRvi UvKv dwjvW
Ki w`j Avgv`i jvK Avcbvi evmvq wMq gvUi mvBKj cuQ
`e| b m GZUvB Drdzj- nq DVjv, GKevii RbI Zvi gb
njv bv h, GUv cZviYv RvZxq wKQy nZ cvi| eis mB gyn~Z Zvi
ce 2 \ mvdj

383

KvQ cuvP nvRvi UvKv wQjv bv| cwogwi Ki `yB nvRvi UvKv hvMvo
Ki dw Ki w`jv| ci eySjv h, m cZvwiZ nqQ|
ck : Avwg GKUv B-gBj cqwQ hvZ dv `yqR bvg GK ew
wbRK jbi GKwU evsK KgiZ GKRb wdbvwqvj GcvU cwiPq
w`q AvgvK ejQ, G eQi evwlK AwWwUsqi mgq m Zv`i evsKi
Ggb GKRb MvnKi GKUv Mvcb GKvDU LyuR cqQ whwb mcwZ
gviv MQb| hnZz MvnKi cwievi ev ez`i KDB Gi K_v Rvb
bv, AZGe 52 wgwjqb 954 nvRvi cvDi G wekvj Ai
wWcvwRUi AaK gvwjKvbv m AvgvK w`Z Pvq| KviY wewUk AvBb
Abyhvqx G UvKvi Askx`vi nZ nj ZvK GKRb we`wk nZ ne|
iRx, B-gBjUv coB Avgvi KvQ gb nqQ fyqv| ZeyI mevBK
mPZb Kivi Rb Avcbvi gvag Rvbvjvg|
Di : AvcbvK abev`| Rvbvjvg mevBK| G aibi B-gBj cj
mv_ mv_ mUvK wWwjU Ki `eb| fvjv nq hw` G RvZxq BgBjjv vg e Avcbv-Avcwb Pj hvq m eev Kib|

cg cZviYv
ck : Avgvi gvevBj GK fvBqvi mv_ Avjvc nqQ| fvBqv Lye
my`i Ki K_v ej| Avgiv cvqB ivZi ejv AbKY K_v ewj|
GLb fvBqv `Lv KiZ PvQ| iRx, Avwg Kx Kiev?
Di : gvevBj ev BUvibUi gvag cwiwPZ ew`i evcvi
weklfve mveavb _vKeb| GLb cZviK`i KvR AbK mnR Ki
w`qQ gvevBj Ges BUvibU|
Avgv`i AbKjv jvfi ga GKwU nQ cksmvi jvf,
gbvhvMi jvf| GB cksmv I gbvhvM hw` wecixZ wji nq
Zvnj Zv K_vB bB| cZviKiv GB `yejZvi K_v Lye fvjvfveB
Rvb| GB `yejZvK KvR jvwMq cgi bvg, ezZi bvg Zviv
384

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

bvbv aibi cZviYv Ki| G aibi cZviYvi mePq Kg wZKi ic

nQ bvPvbv, A_vr wKQyw`b cgvjvc Ki DavI nq hvIqv| Gici
UvKv avi Ki diZ bv `qv Ges Aviv KZ iKgi cZviYv h iqQ
Zv ej kl Kiv hve bv|
DPwkwZ cwievii wUbGR gq, fvjv Qvx| gv-evevK AbK
K ivwR Kwiq gvevBj wKbjv| Kbvi wKQyw`bi gaB gvevBji
gvag GKwU Qji mv_ cwiPq njv, ezZ njv| cvqB ivZ RM
K_v nq| GKmgq wVK Kijv, Zviv `Lv Kiedv dzW kc|
Gfve `Lv KiZ h A^w jvM wb Zv bq| wK gb njv, GZ
gvbyli mvgb QjwU Zvi Ggb KxB-ev wZ KiZ cvie|
`Lv njv, M PjQ| QjUv nVvr ejjv h, Zvi GKUv Riwi
dvb Kiv cqvRb| wK Zvi dvb UvKv bB| gqwU ZLb wbRi
gvevBjwU ZvK w`jv dvb Kivi Rb| QjwU dvb Ki wKQyY
nvjv nvjv Kijv| iziU GZ ki ga bvwK wKQyB kvbv
hvQ bv| GzwY AvmwQ, ej evBi Pj Mj m|
Gw`K gqwU em AvQ Zv AvQB| QjwUi Avmvi bvgM bB|
AbKY em _vKvi ci m eySZ cvijvQjwU Avi Avme bv, Zvi
gvevBjI Avi cvIqv hve bv| GZ wKQyi Dk wQjvgvevBj Pzwi!
Avmj gvevBj ev BUvibU Awfew ev ewW jvsqR `Lvi
Kvbv myhvM _vK bv ej GLvb K_vi Rvj eyb cZvwiZ Kiv Aviv
mnR| AZGe gvevBj-ezi(!) K_vq wev neb bv|
ck : iRx, AvRKvj i nqQ Nwb kvixwiK mKK Mvcb
wfwWI-Uc Ki e-vKgBj Kiv| G m^ KvqvUvg cwievii
mevBK mveavb Kivi Abyiva KiwQ|
Di : Lye fvjv Abyiva| aib, Avcbvi mv_ GK ZiYi cwiPq
njvmy`kb, vU, weevb| nqZv cevm-diZ| Avcbvi evcvi Zvi
AvMni kl bB| my`i my`i K_v ej| AvR fvjUvBb, AvRK
ivZ 12Uv GK wgwbU _K Zvgvi K_v gb Ki `uvwoqwQjvg|
AviKRbi jLv KweZv w`q ejjv, `L, ZvgvK wbq GB KweZv
wjLwQ| Zvgvi Rb Rxeb w`q `ev| KZiKg K_v|
ce 2 \ mvdj

385

Avcwb Zv fvejb, Avn! GBiKg gRby cqwQ! Avgvi mewKQy

w`q wekvm Kwi ZvgvK| wbRi mewKQy DRvo Ki w`jb| m Kx
Kijv? m Mvcb wfwWI Ki ivLjv| ci AvcbvK `Lvjv Ges
ejjv, evevi KvQ _K UvKv wbq Avmv, bv nj BUvibU Qo
`ev| GB njv gRbyi Avmj ic| nvwZi `Lvbv `uvZ GK Avi
LvIqvi `uvZ wK wfb|
Avmj Avgiv cg cZvwiZ nB KLb? hLb Avgiv ^ci cyil ev
^ci bvixi mvb Kwi, mvaviY bvix ev mvaviY cyili mvb Kwi bv|
KvDK ^ci cyil ev ^ci bvix gb Kij Avgiv Avi ZvK
mvaviYfve wePvi Kwi bv| ZvK wePvi Kwi Zvi my`i Aeqe, bv nq
nvwm, bv nq K_v w`q| Zvi fZi XvKvi cqvRb gb Kwi bv|
Kb? KviY ZLb Avgiv gb Kwi, Avwg hv w`wQ Zvi Pq ewk
cvwQ| Avwg BbwdwiIi, m mywcwiqi| AZGe m hb wKQyZB
nvZQvov bv nq hvq| A_vr GLvbI wK KvR KiQ jvf| Avcwb
wRZZ PvQb, Avcbvi hv cvc ej Avcwb wekvm Kib Zvi Pq
ewk PvQb| Avcwb w`Z hvQb bv, Avcwb Avmj wbZ hvQb| ZvB
Avcwb cZvwiZ nQb|
ck : Avwg GKwU QjK fvjevwm| QjwU Lye fvjv| AvgvK
memgq MvBW Ki| Avgvi gb nq, Zvi gZv GKRb RxebmxB
Avgvi `iKvi|
Di : cg coj me cwgKvi KvQB Zvi cwgKK Lye fvjv gb
nq| GKwU gqi NUbv bybZLb Avgvi eqm 25 eQi| cgRvZxq
welqK GwoqB PjZvg| GKevi GKwU Qj AvgvK cve w`jv|
Avwg Gwoq Mjvg| wK Qq gvm ai m AvVvi gZv jM iBjv|
cw_exZ m bvwK Avgvi RbB GmQ, AvgvK Qvov euvPe bv
BZvw`| Avwg bvgvR coZvg bv| AvgvK ej ej bvgvR covZv|
axi axi m Avgvi Rxebi cZKwU evcvi Ggbfve Rovjv h,
wbRi ARvB ZvK cQ` KiZ i Kijvg| wekl Ki m h
avwgKG w`KUv Avgvi fvjv jvMjv| gb njv, Avi hv-B nvK, m
GKRb fvjv gvbyl|
386

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Ggb mgq GKUv dvb cjvg, hv Avgvi RxebK GK`g Dvcvv

Ki w`jv| GKwU gq dvb Ki hv ejjv Zvi mvigg njvGB
QjwU GB GKB iKgi K_v-AvPiY w`q ZvKI cwUq djwQjv|
ay Zv-B bq, Gi AvM Aviv GK gqKI m ek KiQ GKBfve|
Zvi Kkj njvhvi hLvb `yejZv ZvK mUv w`q Kvey Kiv|
mewKQy b Ggbfve fO cojvg h, gb njv gviv MjB eva nq
fvjv wQjv|
Zvi gvb eySZ cviQb, Qjiv Kxfve cUvq| Avi G mg
gqiv mePq eo h fyjUv KimK LvwbKUv Nwb nj QjwU
hLb kvixwiK mK vcbi cve `q, gqwU ZvZ mvov `qev
AbK mgq w`Z eva nq Bgvkbvj e-vKgBwjsqi KviY|
AviKwU gqi KvwnbxKvm mfb _KB Avgiv Pvi fvBevb
Zvi KvQ coZvg| Kvm bvBb covi mgq AvgvK cgi cve w`jv|
gvS gvSB AvgvK Rwoq ai Av`i KiZv| c_g c_g Lvivc
jvMjI Av Av fvjv jvMZ i Kijv| Avgvi GmGmwm-i
KqKw`b AvM bjvg m we`k Pj hvQ|
AvgvK GKw`b ejjv, we`k hvIqvi Rb ZvK gwWKj U
KivZ ne| wK Wvvi ejQ Zvi kvixwiK mgmv AvQhv weq
Kij wVK nq hve| wK GB gyn~Z Zvi c weq Kiv me bv|
Gw`K gwWKj U wdU `Lvbvi Rb Zvi `iKvi Kvbv gqi
mv_ hb mK vcb| GLb m Zv AvgvKB fvjevm| AvgvKB
weq KiZ Pvq| Avwg wK ZvK mvnvh KiZ cvwi bv?
Avgvi eqm Kg wQjv| Avi ZvK fvjvI evmZvg| ZvB GKchvq
ivwR nq Mjvg| Gici KqKevi Avgiv wgwjZ nB| wK nVvr Avgvi
Lye AbykvPbv nZ jvMjv| G Avwg Kx KiwQ? G-Zv cvc| Gici
Zvi AbK RvivRywiZI Avi ivwR nB wb| Gi ga m we`k Pj
Mj| wPwVZ hvMvhvM nZv| KqK eQi ci Avgvi weqi K_vevZv
i njv| AbKevi ZvK ejI Kvbv mvov cjvg bv| GKmgq wPwV
`qvI e Ki w`jv| AviKRbi mv_ weq nq Mj Avgvi|
Avmj GKwU wRwbm memgq gb ivLeb, Kvbv gq hw` Kvbv
Qji mv_ weqi AvM kvixwiK mK vcb Ki, Gici Avi
QjwUi Kvbv AvKlY Zvi cwZ _vK bv Ges QjwU ZvK wekvmI
ce 2 \ mvdj

387

Ki bv| m fve, hw` Avgvi mv_ m weQvbvq hZ cvi, Zvnj

Avgvi AMvPi Ab Kviv mv_I m Zv KiZ cvi| AbK mgq
gqwU Zvi KvwRZ DcvRbi A_ Zzj `q QjwUi nvZ| wK
Zv-I ZvK ai ivLvi Rb h_ nq bv|
ck : ay wK gqiv cZvwiZ nq? Qjiv wK nq bv?
Di : nq| QjivI cZvwiZ nq| GKwU Qji NUbvgqwU c_g
ivwR bv njI eQiLvbK ci m wbRB cve `q QjwUK| QjwU
Zv LywkZ AvZnviv nq gqi bvg evsK GKvDU Lyj `qv _K
i Ki evbi weqZ UvKv `qv, fvBqi Acvikb mvnvh Kiv,
gvK FYgy Kiv BZvw` AbKfve Avw_K mvnvh KiZ jvMjv|
meB KiQ gqwUi cQ`i gvbyl nIqvi Rb| wK wKQyw`b ci
gqwU Ab AviKwU Qji mv_ mK Mo Zzjjv| QjwUK md
Rvwbq w`jv, Zvi KvQ m Kej Zv`i cwievii GKRb cvIbv`vi
Qvov Avi wKQy bq|
AviKwU NUbv| GUv QjwUi wbRi RevwbZB byb
Avwg QvUejv _KB gavex wQjvg| Avgvi GKUv ivM wQjv
cgivM| Pvi/ cuvPUv gqi mv_ cg KiwQjvg| wK cZvwiZ nqwQ
meLvbB| mevB Avgvi gavK Zv`i jLvcovi KvR eenvi Ki
AvgvK Qyuo djZv Wvweb| Ze mePq ewk cZvwiZ nqwQ
hLvb m NUbvUvB GLb ejev|
Avwg GKwU gqK covZvg| kvgjv eYi my`i Pnvivi G
gqwUi cg cojvg KqKw`bi gaB| m-I AvgvK cQ`
KiZv| GKchvq ZvK weqI Ki djjvg| Gici Avgvi mg
gbvhvM Xj w`jvg Zvi cwZ| GK Nvi RvqMvq mvZ Nv covZvg|
GK mveRi cwieZ 11 mveR covZvg| m Qvx wnme fvjv
wQjv bv| wK Avgvi KviY GmGmwmZ fvjv Ki fwZ njv Lye
fvjv GKUv KjR| BZvga Avgv`i weqi K_v Avgvi cwievi
Rb MjI Zviv gb wbjv| Zvi gvevBj LiP _K i Ki Wm,
KvwPs, eBLvZv BZvw` eve` cvqB UvKv w`Zvg| me wgj Zvi Rb
cvq `yj UvKv LiP KiwQ|
388

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Gi gaB RvbZ cvijvg, m AviKwU mvmx UvBci Qji mv_

mK MoQ| Avgvi `qv UvKvq Zvi mv_ K_v ej, ZvK Dcnvi
`q, NvivNywi Ki| GgbwK Zv`i ga kvixwiK mKI nqQ|
b Avgvi Zv gv_vq AvKvk fO cojv| KwVb AmyL cojvg|
Avgvi evev vK Ki gviv Mjb| KqKw`bi Rb Avgv`i cyiv
cwieviUvi Ici GKUv So eq Mj|
ck : cvq cuvP eQi AvM gvevBj dvb GKwU gqi mv_ Avgvi
cwiPq nq| axi axi GwU cg ic bq| ci RvbZ cvwi, gqwU
weevwnZv| wK ZZw`b Zvi cwZ Avwg `yej nq cwo| GLb Avwg Kx
Kiev eySZ cviwQ bv| KvbvfveB IK fyjZ cviwQ bv| RxebUv
GLb Rvnvbvg gb nq| j wi KiZ cviwQ bv| iRx, `qv Ki
AvgvK civgk w`b, G Rxeb _K Avwg gyw cZ PvB|
Di : Avcbvi Rb KiYv nq, gvqv nq| Avgv`i mgvR GLbv G
aibi AvnvK`i msLv AbK, hviv gvevBj dvb cg co hvq|
G`i ga hgb AvnvK Qj AvQ, Zgwb AvnvK gqI AvQ
AbK| GUv Avmj GKUv ivM| GKkYxi cyil Ges gwnjv eySZ
cvi bv Ges AwaKvsk mgqB Zv`i RxebUv Avmj Rvnvbvg nIqv
Qvov wKQy evwK _vK bv|
Avb nvZ eyS w`jI cyoe, bv eyS w`jI cyoe| Avcwb
ciKxqvq Rwoq m Avb nvZ w`qQb| Avcbvi RxebI Rvnvbvg
Qvov wKQy ne bv| AvR _K ZIev Kib, G mK Avi Roveb bv|
Avi Avcwb AweevwnZ| weevnhvM nj `Z weqi wmv wbb|
Avmj gvevBj dvbi gvag cg AvRKvj AbK mnR Avi mv
nq MQ| GKevi mvevbi dbvi gZv memgq dbvwqZ nZ
_vK| A_P cg Zv AbK eo welq, AbK gnr welq| cg njv
`qvi bvg, bqvi ev cvIqvi bvg bq| GLb hUvK cg ejv nqmUv
njv Kvg| AZGe Gjv _K ewiq Gm Rxebi mwVK j
wbaviY gbvhvM w`b|
Avi gvevBj h Kviv mv_ Avjvc Kivi mgq mZK _vKeb
AveMi duv` cv w`q hb wbRi mebvk WK bv Avbb|
ce 2 \ mvdj

389

ck : f`ekx wg_yK, cZviK`i mK wKQy ejyb, hviv gb Ki hZ

ewk gqi mv_ gjvgkv Kiv hve ZZB vUvm evoe| G evcvi
Avgvi eve AwfZv _vKvq GKmgq AbK ivM-vf wQjv| Aek
Kvm Ki Zv _K gy nqwQ|
Di : cZviKiv memgq f`ekx Ges wgfvlxB nq| Zviv AekB
wb`bxq| wK cZvwiZ nIqvUvI Lye mvbi bq| KviY GUv cgvY
Ki h, Avcwb Kvbv wePvi-weePbv bv KiB wg_yK I VKevRi
wg_v, gbfvjvbv K_vK wekvm KiQb, cfvweZ nqQb hv
evKv`i KvR| hw` hyw-eywi b~bZg cqvM KiZbZvnjB gb
ck RvMZv, nVvr Ki APbv-ARvbv GKRb jvK Kb GZ AvMnx
nq DVjv, Kx Zvi gZje| ZLbB mZUv aiv coZv| KvRB cZviYv
Kiv AcivamUv AekB kvwhvM| wK cZvwiZ nIqv Zvi PqI
ewk Amvbi| cZvwiZivI Zvi evKvwgK A^xKvi KiZ cvie bv|

weqZ cZviYv
ck : Avgv`i mgvR weqZ cZviYvi NUbv cvqB NU| G
ewki fvM B AwffveK`i `vq ewk| Avcwb Kx ejb?
Di : GUv wVK| AbK mgq Avgv`i AwffveKiv cv ev cvx
mK fvjv Ki LuvRLei bv wbqB weqi AvqvRb KiZ jM
hvq| dj hv nIqvi Zv-B nq| `vZ Rxeb Akv, `yweln nq IV
Ges weQ`i ga w`q Zvi cwimgvw NU|
GK gvqi K_v ewjeo evbi cevmx Qji mv_ 18 eQi eqmx
gqi weq w`qwQjb Zgb Kvbv wPvfvebv bv KiB| fewQjb,
cwievii ga weqZ GZ `Lv`wLi Kx AvQ? wK we`k h Qj
_vK, Zvi jvBdvBj, cQ`, `vZPvwn`vGmewKQyi m Zvi
NiKzbv, mv`vwma, Aeqmx gqwU Lvc LvIqvZ cvie wK bvZv
fe `Ljb bv| dj KqK eQi ci wWfvm nq Mj| wK
ZZw`b gqwUi hv wZ Zv Zv nqB MQ|
390

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

GUv cvxi I nZ cvi| byb GKwU Qji RevwbZAvwg

AvgwiKvq _vwK| bq eQi AvM `k Gm wKQyUv ZvovovZ AvgvK
weq Kivjb Avgvi gv| Zvici _KB i njv Akvw| weqi ci
eySjvg, evqvWvUvi AwaKvsk Z_B wQjv wg_vq fiv| cvxi cwievi
RbbB Gme KiwQjv| gvbwmKZvq Kvbv wgj bB| agvPvi
_K i Ki mZZv, `vbkxjZv, cwievii cwZ `vwqZkxjZv BZvw`
h welqjv Avgvi ga AvQ Zvi KvbvUvB Zvi ga bB|
^vfvweKfveB Gjv wbq nZ jvMjv| Gw`K eQiLvbKi
ga Avgv`i GKwU gq njv, hv nqZv bv njB fvjv nZv| GLb
ay gqwUi gyLi w`K ZvwKqB Zvi mv_ mK eRvq iLwQ| wK
Avwg Rvwb ZvK wbq Avwg KLbv myLx nZ cviev bv|
NUbvjv hgb LuvRLei bv wbq weq Kivi cwiYwZ, cvkvcvwk
cv ev cvxiI wK `vq AvQ| weklZ, cvi| KviY weqi AvM
Lye fvjv Ki Zvi eyS `Lv DwPZKbi m Zvi GWRvgU ne
wK bv| wmv wbZ ne weqi AvM, ci bq| KviY ZvZ GKwU
gq, GKwU cwievi Ges AbK mgq mvbi RxebI Rwoq hvq|
ck : weqi gZv cwe mKi I hw` cZviYv mK mPZb
_vKZ nq Zvnj Kx Ki ne?
Di : Avmj weqZ cZviYv nZ cvi| nZ cvi weqi gvag
eemvwqK ^v_ nvwmji Pv| GKwU Qji NUbv
cvwievwiKfve GKwU gqi mv_ weq wVK nIqvi ci gqwUB
weq KiZ A^xKwZ Rvbvq Ges weq fO hvq| ZviI GK eQi ci
Avevi Zv`i AvMnB weq nq| wK ZviciB kici AvPiY
e`jvZ _vK| Avgvi xi `vweAvjv`v evmv wbZ ne, evPv bqv
hve bv BZvw`| wK Gi ga Ii cMbw wicvU cwRwUf nj I
Avgv`i evmv _K mg MqbvMvwU wbq evevi evwo Pj hvq| wKwbK
wMq MfcvZ NUvq|
wK AvgvK ej, ^vfvweKfveB Zv nqQ| wK BbdKkbi
KviY Avevi nvmcvZvj fwZ nj wicvU co Avwg me eySZ cvwi|
mePq AevK nB Kvwebbvgv co| wekl GKwU kZ wQjv
ce 2 \ mvdj

391

ZvZwewei gbvbxZ evmvb ei _vwKZ eva _vwKe| mBmv_ 12

jvL UvKvi Kvweb Dmyj `Lvbv AvQ `yB jvL UvKv| A_P nIqvi K_v
mvZ jvL UvKvh g~jgvbi ^YvjsKvi m wbqB MQ| G weqUv h
eemvi weq Zv cyivcywi wbwZ nB hLb Avgvi x mvo 10 jvL UvKv
Kvwebi Rb gvgjv `vqi Ki| m UvKvUv GLb AvBbZ AvgvK
cwikva KiZB ne| weq AvgvK Avw_Kfve wbt^ Ki w`qQ|
AweevwnZ Qj`i cwZ Abyiva, Avcbvi weqi Kvwebbvgvq ^vii
AvM wevwiZ co `Leb| bBj Avgvi gZv VKZ nZ cvi|
AZGe eySZB cviQb, AveM ejyb Avi cwe mK ejyb,
eveZvK gv_vq ivLeb| Kv_vq, Kb, Kxfve ^vi KiQb Zv
fvjvfve eyS beb|
ck : AvRKvj weqi Rb cv-cvx eQ wbZ gviR wgwWqvi vi
nb AbKB| Gjv wK wbfihvM?
Di : mewKQyB wbfihvM hw` hvPvB Ki bb| Avi KvbvwKQyB
wbfihvM bq, hw` hvPvB bv Kibhw` cv, eveeyw cqvM bv
Kib Zvnj Avcwb cZvwiZ neb| gviR wgwWqvi bvg cZviYvi h
bvbv Kkj PjQ, 21 Ryb, 2012-Gi `wbK BdvKi GKwU
Abymvbx wicvU DV GmQ Zvi wKQy Z_
BDivc-AvgwiKvi wewfb `ki cevmx cvxi cv PvB| cQ`
nj cvxi LiP cvK we`k bqv ne| cv wecZxK njI mgmv
bB| hvMvhvM Kib mivmwi, gvevBj b^i...| GfveB wewfb
RvZxq `wbK PUK`vi wevcb Qc `ki eKvi I we`k
MgbQy`i `w AvKlY Kiv nq| Gici weevn-BQyK cv Zv`i
Awdm Gj Kw_Z cvxmn Zviv hKvbv nvUj em K_vevZv Pov
Ki| wjwLZ Pyw nq|
Gici weq I Abvb LiPi K_v ej cvi KvQ _K gvUv
Ai UvKv Av`vq Ki| weq Zv neBG wekvm cvivI `q| Ze
weqi w`bYi c~eB jvcvv nq hvq cvx| Gfve AweevwnZ I fvM
cwieZb cZvkx cyil`i KvQ _K jvL jvL UvKv nvwZq wbQ
gviR wgwWqv cwiPqavix cZviYv cwZvb|
392

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Mvq`v cywjki gZ, XvKv kni G aibi AZ GKk cZviYv

cwZvb iqQ| Zv`i iqQ cvx cwiPqavix bvix-cZviK| G
gwnjviv cvx wnme GKevi mvvrKvi w`jB cvq GK nvRvi UvKv|
MZ iweevi ivZ gnvbMi Mvq`v cywjk (wWwe) G aibi cZviYvi
AwfhvM ivgcyivi ebkx GjvKv nZ gviR wgwWqv Pi AvgwiKv
I KvbvWv cevmx `yB fyqv cvxmn bqRbK MdZvi KiQ|
XvKv gnvbMi Mvq`v I Aciva Z_ wefvM Rvbvq, G PwU
AbKw`b _K cwKvq cv PvB wevcb w`q cZviYv Ki
AvmwQjv| wevcb `L jvKRb Zv`i m hvMvhvM Kij cevmx
cvx wnme Kw_Z`i `wLq UvKv nvwZq wbZv|
cywjk Zv`i KvQ _K 22wU cvmcvU, wewfb `ki cwZvbi
gvwjK cwiPqi 25wU Rvj AvBwW KvW, 40wU Rvj BwgMvU wfmv dig,
10wU bKj wfmv, 76wU evqvWvUv dig, GKwU jvcUc I wewfb aibi
Rvj KvMRc Dvi KiQ| Zviv Aviv Rvbvb, G Pi `yRbK Gi
AvMI Mvq`v cywjk MdZvi KiwQjv| mcwZ Zviv Av`vjZ _K
Rvwgb wbq KvivMvi _K ei nq cybivq gviR wgwWqvi Awdm Lyj
Zv`i eemv i Ki|
GB Pi cZviYvi wkKvi GKRb Rvbvb, wZwb 2011 mvji
bf^i gvm GB gviR wgwWqvi GKwU wevcb `L hvMvhvM
Kib| Gici Zv`iK evqvWvUv `b| Gi Pviw`b ci gviR
wgwWqvi jvKRb ZvK Kw_Z AvgwiKv cevmx Ges MvgUm gvwjK
cwiPq ixw`Zv Rvgvb bvgi GK cvxi m `Lv Kwiq `b|
GB cvx GK emvZB IqvwRDj BmjvgK weq KiZ ivwR nq
hvb| Gi `yB mvn ci ixw`Zv Rvgvb Zvi KvQ 30 nvRvi UvKv avi
Pvb Ges Rvwbq `b weqi ci mUv ZvK diZ `qv ne|
IqvwRDj Bmjvg mij wekvm ixw`ZvK 30 nvRvi UvKv `b| Gi
GKgvm ci ixw`Zv I gviR wgwWqvi jvKRb weqi LiP wnmve
ZvK `o jvL UvKv w`Z ejb| ZLb IqvwRDj Bmjvgi m`n nq
Ges wZwb NUbvwU Mvq`v cywjkK Rvbvb|

ce 2 \ mvdj

393

cZviYv : Aviv bvbv aib

ck : Avwg e_v-e`bv Kgvbvi Rb wevcb `L GK PvBwbR
Wvvii KvQ Mjvg| evsjv Zv `~ii K_v, BswjkI fvjv ejZ
cvib bv| Dwb Avgvi ckvi `Ljb, bvwo `L GKMv`v Ilya w`jb,
ci AvgvK gvmvR `qv njv, mewKQy wgwjq Avgvi `ynvRvi UvKv MPv
wMqwQjv| GUvI wK cZviYv?
Di : GUv wgwWqvi cfve| wevcb `L LuvRLei bv wbq PvBwbR
bvg b Pj wMqQb| PvBwbR Wvvi Zv ay Ilya `q bv, Zviv
AvKzcvsPvi Ki| myuB w`q dzUv Ki wb Zv Avevi?
Avmj GUv Avcwb evKvwg KiQb| memgq gb ivLeb,
cZviK`i GKwU eo Aski UvMU Amy ewivweklZ cPwjZ
wPwKrmvcwZZ hv`i ivMi Kvbv wPwKrmv bB| hKvbv g~j
ivMxi wbivgqi AvKvvK m^j Ki cZviYvi duv` cZ em
cZviKiv|
Ilya, emjU, KeP, wdZv, hcvwZ I bvbv aibi Awfbe, cvPxb
ev invbx wPwKrmvcwZi gvag GBWm, Kvvi, AwURg I
AvjSBgvi wbivgq; wZkw ew, UvK Pzj MRvbv, Mvcb ivMi
wPwKrmvmn bvbv aibi Awekvm wbivgqi Avkvm `q Zviv| cwKv,
wUwf I BUvibU PKPK wevcb w`q AvK Kivi Pv Ki
Zv`i| AbK KvR bv nj g~j diZi Avkvm w`jI eve
g~j diZ cvIqv hvq bv| G aibi cZviYvi djvdj ay A_bvk
njI Kvbv Kvbv Gi cfve Aviv gvivZK|
wPwKrmvmsv VKvi GKUv g~j KviY Z_MZ wevw| G
wewfb m~ _K Z_ wbq ZeB wPwKrmv MnY Kiv fvjv| Kvbv
wevcb hw` wbv welqjv _vK, Zvnj eySeb wPwKrmvcwZwU
cZviYv nIqvi mvebvB ewk
1. Kvbv e_v ev A^w Qvov `Z I bvUKxq wbivgqi Avkvm|
2. `vwe Ki h wPwKrmvcwZwU Kvbv wekl Mvcb `yjf cvPxb
ev invbx cwZZ cZKZ A_ev Kvbv Awfbe Avwevi|
3. H wekl cY ev wPwKrmv aygv GKwU Kvvwb wew Ki|
394

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

4. Ilya ev wPwKrmvmvgMxwU aygv WvKhvM cvIqv hvq|

5. ejv nq, Ilya ev wPwKrmvmvgMxwU GKmv_ e ivMi
wbivgq Ki|
6. wedj g~j diZi Avkvm `q|
7. cY cvIqvi AvMB g~j kva KiZ nq|
8. K mxwgZ ej `vwe Ki|
9. Ggb Kvbv KZci ^xKwZ `vwe Ki, hvi bvg Avcwb
Rvbb bv|
10. cgvYhvM bqGiKg bvbv Awekvm wbivgqi eYbv `q|
ck : Avgvi GK KvwRb AvQ mnR IRb Kgvbvi hKvbv Avkvm
`LjB Zvi cQb `ovq| I h KZfve VKQ Zvi Bqv bB|
Avmj wK mnR IRb Kgvbvi Kvbv Dcvq AvQ?
Di : Avcbvi KvwRb GKv bb| 2005 mvj AvgwiKvi dWvij UW
Kwgkb cZviYvi Ici GK Rwic cwiPvjbv Ki| mLvb `Lv hvq,
jUvwi ev wRwRGb RvZxq wcivwgW wgK cQb dj gvbylK mePq
ewk cZvwiZ Kivi Mie jvf KiQ AwZ mnR IRb Kgvbv
msv cZviYv| Gme cZviYvg~jK wevcb Kvbv Awfbe WvqU,
Ilya, wg ev hi mvnvh webv cwikg ev bvggv cwikg wecyj
cwigvY IRb Kgvbvi Avkvm `qv nq| ewkifvM B ejv nq
evqvg ev Lv`vfvm cwieZb QvovB IRb Kge|
Qq Nvq 15 cvD IRb ev bq Bw Kvgi Kgvbvi cjvfb
Avgv`i `kI AbKB G aibi cZviYvi duv` cv w`Qb| A_vr
GLvbI webv cwikg dj jvfi ^c| memgq gb ivLeb, wevcb
hv ejv nq Zv PvL e Ki wekvm Kiv AvnvwKi jY Qvov Avi wKQy
bq| 2002 mvj AvgwiKvi dWvij UW Kwgkbi GKwU wicvU
ejv nq, IRb Kgvbvi 55% wevcbB v ev AcgvwYZ Z_ `q|
ck : Avgiv PviRb wgj eemv Kivi me cwZ kl| Gi ga `yB
Rbi gvbwmKZv njv gi LvIqv| GKRbi `vl AviKRbi Ici
Pvwcq `qv| eywSq wKQy ejZ cviwQ bv| mi Gj Avgvi UvKvcqmvi
mgmv ne| GZ KiYxq Kx?
ce 2 \ mvdj

395

Di : Avcbviv PviRb| GLb GB `yBRb wgj KvK gviQ? ZZxq

RbK| GB ZZxqRbK hLb gviv kl ne, Gici KvK aie?
AvcbvK aie| Avcbvi UvKvcqmv gviv hveG evcvi wbwZ
_vKZ cvib| Kvq`v-Kkj Ki hZUv DwVq wbq AvmZ cvib
mUvB fvjv| KviY Amr m hLbB Avcwb hveb, mebvk ne
Avcbvi| h KviY ejv nq Amr m mebvk|
ck : iRx, mw`b GwUGg gwkb Avgvi KvW AvUK wMqwQjv| GK
f`jvK mvnvh KiZ PvwQjb wK Avwg `B wb| KvW iL Pj
GmwQ| cii w`b evsK _K ZzjwQ| wVK KiwQ bv?
Di : wVK KiQb| AcwiwPZ KD hw` GwUGg KvWi evcvi mvnvh
KiZ Pvq mI mveavb _vKeb| AvRKvj Zv Avgiv AbKB
UvKv Zvjvi Rb GwUGg gwkb eenvi Kwi| GB GwUGg gwkb
wbqI wK cw_exi wewfb `k bvbv cZviYvi NUbv NU|
aib, Avcwb GwUGg gwkb KvW XywKqQb| wcb bv^vi w`qQb,
UvKvi cwigvY Dj-L KiQb, wK UvKv AvmQ bv| KvW ei Kivi
Pv Kijb, wK ei njv bv| eySjb, KvW gwkb AvUK MQ|
Avkcvk ZvKvjb| `LjbAviK gwkb Avcbvi gZvB KvW
VjvVwj KiQb AviKRb|
f`jvK Gm ejjb, ZviI Avcbvi gZv Aev| AbK K wZwb
KvW diZ cqQb| Avcbvi KvQ Gm ejjb, wcb b^iUv Aveviv
Pc `LZ| Zv-B Kijb| wK `yRb wgj AbK Pvi ciI KvW
diZ cjb bv| kl ch Avcwb evwo Pj Gjb|
ci RvbZ cvijb, Avcbvi GKvDUi me UvKv nvIqv| Avmj
NUbv Kx NUwQjv? Avcwb ey_ XvKvi AvMB cZviKi `j gwkbi
-U GKUv c-vwKi AveiY XywKq iLwQjv, hb gwkb Avcbvi
KvW wiW KiZ bv cvi| dj AbK UcvUwc KiI Kvbv jvf njv
bv| H f`jvKi(?) Avmj Dk wQjvmvnvh Kivi QyZvq
Kvbvfve Avcbvi wcb b^i Rb bqv| Avcwb Pj Avmvgv
c-vwKi KvYv (hv Avcwb Lqvj Kib wb) ai c-vwKi AveiYmn
KvWUv ei Ki wbqQ| Zvici Zv eySZB cviQb...
396

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

ck : ivM wbivgqi Rb AbKB nvZ GK aibi PBb eenvi

Ki| Gi evwbK evLv Kx? Avgvi RvbvgZ Gi weq cwqv
GgGjGg eemvqi gZv| KvqvUvgi AbKB eenvi Kib|
Di : KvqvUvgi AbKB KvqvUvg evjv eenvi Kib, wK GK
aibi PBbi evcviUv Avgv`i Rvbv bB| AavZzi Zwi KvqvUvg
evjv Kviv Kviv `ni gUvwjK ev avZzMZ fvimvg ivi
mnvqK| Ze KvqvUvgi AbK m`mB GUv cib md dvkb
wnme| gRvi evcvi njv, evBi AbK mgq MvRyqUiv GK Acii
mv_ cwiwPZ nb GB evjvi myev`| nvZ evjv `L wRm Kib,
Avcwb KvqvUvg? AvwgI KvqvUvg| em, nq Mj cwiPq|
Ze Avcwb h PBbi K_v ejQbGUv Avmj cZviYv|
emjUi gZv GB PBb Pz^K _vK| Pz^Ki wKQy Y nqZv AvQ|
wK Avcwb h weq cwqvi K_v ejQb, mLvb gv 200, 300 ev
500 UvKv g~jgvbi G PBbjvi `vg nuvKv nq cuvP nvRvi UvKv!
A_vr GUv njv c_g`dv cZviYv| Zvici ejQ, AvcwbI hw` GKUv
wew Ki w`Z cvib Zvnj Kwgkb AvQ| GUvB nQ bUIqvwKs,
GUvB nQ GgGjGg| AvMi ckvijvZ G aibi cZviYvi
wevwiZ wbq Avgiv AvjvPbv KiwQ| AZGe evKvi gZv VKeb bv|
ck : GKwU cwZvb Avqb evjv ej GKwU wiev evRviRvZ
KiQ| hvi welqwU njv gvevBj dvb eenvi Kij kixi bMwUf
Avqb Kg hvq| Avqb evjv eenvi Kij evjv wbRB bMwUf Avqb
Zwi Ki gvevBj dvbi wZ _K euvPvZ cvi| G evcvi
mevBK mveavb Ki `qv DwPZ|
Di : GKUv evjv wbR wbR Avqb Kxfve Zwi Ki? G ev mK
Avgvi Kvbv aviYv bB| GUv cZviYvi Kvbv duv` nZ cvi|
ck : KvqvUvg cvWU bvg GKwU AvMqwkjv emjU wew nQhv
KvqvUvg dvDkbi ej GB Kvvwbi KvDwjiiv ejQ| Ab
AbKI Zv-B gb KiQ|
ce 2 \ mvdj

397

Di : KvqvUvg cvWU bvg Kvbv AvMqwkjvi emjU Avgv`i

bB| Avmj K`mn dvDkbi Abvb Kvhvjq h mjm
AvBUgjv iqQ, aygv mjvB Avgv`i Abygvw`Z weq cY|
Gi ev` KvqvUvgi bvg Ab hv-B nvK, mUvK KvqvUvgi gb
Kivi Kvbv KviY bB| GKUv mgq KvqvUvgi bvg evRvi AbK
wKQyB Avme-KvqvUvg kwfs wg, KvqvUvg wKc, KvqvUvg AgyK,
KvqvUvg ZgyK BZvw`| GKUv bvg hLb Rbwcq nq ZLb mB bvgi
AbK wKQy evRvi AvmZ cvi| wK mewKQyB Zv Avi KvqvUvgi
bq| Avi GB emjUjv Kbv A_nxb| ay cqmv b Kiv|

cZvwiZ nIqvi KviY

ck : iRx, Avwg evi evi cZviYvi wkKvi nB| Kx Kiev?
Di : Avgiv cZvwiZ nB cavbZ wZbwU KviY| c_gZ, jvf A_vr
cwikg bv Ki mnR wKQy cZ PvIqv| mUv A_ nZ cvi, LvwZ
nZ cvi, cksmv, cwgK-cwgKv ev ^vgx-x nZ cvi| wZxqZ,
Kvbv KviY AveMK hywi Ea vb `qv, ZZxqZ, hvPvB-evQvB bv
Ki mevBK fvjv gvbyl gb Kiv|
Avcbvi K_v b gb nQ, Avcwb nqZv mevBKB wekvm Kib|
mij nIqv fvjv, wK mijZvK KLbv evKvwgi chvq wbq hveb
bvbvwmi Dwb nvRvi gZv|
nvRv AbKw`b ci evwoZ wdiQ| hLb evwoi Lye KvQvKvwQ Pj
GmQ, ZLb GK jvK ZvK WK ejjv, nvRv, Zzwg AbKw`b ci
evwoZ wdij| wK Zvgvi x Zv weaev nq MQ| GLb Kx ne?
nvRv mLvb emB Kuv`Z i Kijv| wKQy jvK Rov nq Mj|
GKRb wRm Kijv, nvRv Zzwg Kuv`Qv Kb? nvRv ejjv, Avgvi
x weaev nq MQ| Kuv`ev bv Zv Kx Kiev| KqKRb ZLb ejjv,
Zzwg euP _vKZ Zvgvi x weaev nq Kxfve? Zvi uk njv| ZvBZv,
Avwg euP _vKZ Avgvi x weaev nq Kxfve?
ay M bv, GB nvRviv eveI AvQ| evsjv`ki `wYvjxq
GKwU Rjvq GK f`jvKi wQjv 900 weNv Rwg, hLvb wZwb wPswoi
398

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Ni KiwQjb| c` miKvwi KgKZv wnme Zvi cvws wQjv

Avevi Ab RvqMvq| `ywZbRb jvKK eemvqi Kvbv kZ QvovB
Askx`vi Ki Zv`i nvZ mewKQy Qo w`q GmwQjb| Zviv cvqB
wewfb jvKmvbi K_v ej Zvi KvQ _K UvKv wbZv| Gw`K
eemvq fvjv gbvhvM `qvi Rb wZwb Zvi PvKwiUv Qo hLb
mLvb hvb, `LbH jvKjv lohi gvag mewKQy wbR`i
`Lj wbq wbqQ| PvKwi, eemv`yUvB nvwiq GLb KvbviKg
Pj Zvi msmvi|
Avmj cZvwiZ nIqvi NUbvjv Ki, `ytLi| wK Gi cQb
cZvwiZi `vljvI Lye Dj-LhvM| GK evsKvii NUbv ewj
evsK _K Zv eUB, ezeve-AvZxq^Rb mevi KvQ _K avi Ki
wZwb 17 jvL UvKv w`qwQjb Nwo eemvqx ej cwiPq w`qwQjv Ggb
GK jvKK| GgbwK jvKwUK wZwb fvjv Ki wPbZbI bv| ay
wZwb bv, Zvi `Lv`wL H Awdmi Aviv AbK UvKv w`qwQjv GB
jvKwUK| jvKwU c_g KqKw`b jfvski bvg wKQy wKQy Ki UvKv
w`jv| Gi KqK gvm ci GKw`b jvKwU DavI| ZvK Avi cvIqv
hvq wb| mB evsKvi GLbv mB FYi fvi eq PjQb| wZwb jvf
KiwQjb| fewQjbcwikg bv Ki hw` em em cvIqv hvq wZ
Kx? Avi mB mv_ w`qwQjb P~ov mijZvi cwiPqfvjv Ki
jvKwUi LuvRLei bv wbq|
ck : AvRKvj h Aev KvDK wekvm Kiv hvq bv| kvKi
Avjnvg`ywjj-vn KvqvUvg mevBKB wekvm Kiv hvq|
Di : GUvI wK fyj `wfw| KvqvUvg MvRyqU ev KvqvUvg gvvi
nq MjB m fvjv gvbyl, Abb gvbyl nq MQGUv fvevi Kvbv
KviY bB| GKRb KvqvUvg gvvi gvb wZwb fvjv gvbyl ev Abb
gvbyl nIqvi Pv KiQb; nq MQb GgbwU bq| KvRB KD wbRK
KvqvUvg m`m cwiPq w`jI Avw_K jb`bi mZK _vKeb|
Gi ga AwfhvM GjvKvqvUvg g_W Kvm KiZ Gm GK
cZviK c_g cwiPqB AviK AskMnYKvixi KvQ _K eemvi bvg
Ki 70 nvRvi UvKv nvwZq wbqQ| mv_ mv_ Avgiv mB cZviKK
ce 2 \ mvdj

399

ewnvi Kijvg, wK UvKv Zv ZZY `qv nq MQ| hvi Lvqv

MQ ZvK wRm Kijvg, Kvbv LuvRLei bv wbq c_g cwiPqB
Kb GKRb gvbylK 70 nvRvi UvKv w`q w`jb! ejjb, fvejvg
GKmv_ Kvm KiZ GmwQ| wbqB fvjv gvbylB ne|
GUv wK evKvwg| ay KvqvUvg MvRyqU ev gvvi bB Kviv
nvZ UvKvcqmv Zzj `eb bv| jb`b Kivi AvM AekB Zvi
evcvi wevwiZ Rb bebGi AvM m Kvi mv_ eemv KiQ,
eemvi djvdj Kx, Kv`i mv_ Zvi hvMvhvM wQjv BZvw`| KviY
Avgv`i GLvb AwaKvskB fvjv gvbyl nIqvi Rb Avmb| wK
`yPviRb h cZviYvi Dk wbq Avm bv, mUv ejv hve bv| Zviv
fve h, GLvb me fvjv gvbyl, mij gvbyl| G`i VKvbv Lye mnR|
Avi m DkB Avmv|
Avi GKwU welq gb ivLeb, Kvbv KvqvUvg MvRyqU ev
cv-gvvii mv_ A_bwZK jb`b Kij wbR `vwqZ Kieb|
KvqvUvg m`m`i ga Kvbv ewMZ A_bwZK jb`bi `vq
dvDkb enb Ki bv| ci Kvbv mgmv nj Gi mv_ dvDkbK
Roveb bv Ges Kgc-Bb wbq Avmeb bv|
ck : AcwiwPZ B wK ay cZviYvi evcvi mveavb nZ ne?
Di : bv, ay AcwiwPZ ev ^cwiwPZ bq, cZviYvi evcvi mveavb
nZ ne cwiwPZ`i I| KviY GKRbi mv_ `xNw`bi cwiPq,
AvZxqZv ev ezZ GK wRwbm, Avi A_bwZK jb`b wekZv AviK
wRwbm| cwiwPZ`i vivI Avcwb cZvwiZ nZ cvib
GKwU NUbv GiKg gvgyb mvne _vKb XvKvi A`~i kniZjxZ|
nVvr ivvq GKw`b `Lv Zv`i AbK cyibv GK fvovwUqv kwdKi
m| cvq 10/12 eQi AvM kwdKiv gvgyb mvne`i evmvq fvov
_vKZv| `xN cuvP eQi fvov _vKvi mgq kwdKK GKRb kv f`
nvwmLywk m`vjvcx fvjv gvbyl wnmeB gb KiZb gvgyb mvne|
kwdK Avjvc Rvbvjv, mcwZ m GLvbKvi RbZv evsK Awdmvi
nq GmQ| `xN Avjvc ejjv Zvi DbwZ, cwZvi K_v| b gvgyb
mvne Lywk njb| Gi ga GKw`b m evmvq Gm gvgyb mvne`i
400

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

cwievii mevi mv_I `Lv Ki Mj| GZw`b ci ZvK `L ZvivI

Lye Dj-wmZ| KqKw`b ci wmvi kvig _K GKUv dvb Gjv gvgyb
mvnei KvQ| wZwb wMq `Ljb, kwdK nvwmgyL em AvQ| ejjv,
gvgyb fvB, wKwZ GKUv wdR wKbev| GKRb Rvwgb`vi jvMe|
GLvb Zv Avcbviv Qvov Avgvi KD bvB| Kx Kwi ejb Zv?
gvgyb mvne gvbRviK wRm Kijb, Kx KiZ cvwi? gvbRvi
ejjv, Avcwb Rvwgb`vi nj cyiv `vKvb w`q w`Z cvwi| Avmj
GKUv zj-KjRi cwZvZv, `xNw`b ai GjvKvq Aevb BZvw`
KviY gvgyb mvnei GKUv AbiKg MnYhvMZv wQjv mevi KvQ|
GKgyn~Z wPv Kijb wZwbkwdK GZw`bi cwiwPZ gvbyl| ZvQvov
PvKwiI Ki Lye fvjv| Avnv ePviv, Kgb mij PvL ZvwKq AvQ!
RvgvbZ KvMR wbwavq mB Ki w`jb|
wK AevK nIqvi cvjv Zvici| ek KqKevi dvb KiI ZvK
cjb bv| fvejb gvevBj e`j KiQ nqZv| GKgvm ci wmvi
kvig _K dvb Gjv| wKwi Rb ZvMv`v| Kb? kwdK Kv_vq?
ZvK cvIqv hvQ bv| wMq bjb, GK gvm AvMB m evmv Qo
w`qQ| Kv_vq MQ KD ejZ cvi bv| AMZv Kx Avi Kiv ! cii
11Uv gvm gvgyb mvneK YZ nqQ wKwi UvKv| cwZgvmi UvKvUv
`qvi mgqB wZwb fveZb, Ggb evKvwg KD KiZ cvi! KvRB
cwiwPZ njB fveeb bv h, Avcwb wbw| fvjv Ki LuvRLei bv
wbq mij gb KLbv Kviv mv_ Avw_K welq RwoZ neb bv|
ck : KD hw` Avgvi mv_ cZviYv Ki Zvnj mivmwi cwZkva bqv
A_ev mvi KvQ _K cwZ`vbi AcvKvbUv fvjv ne?
Di : GUv wbfi KiQ cZviYvi aibi Ici| hgb, Avgvi K_v
ejZ cvwi| Avwg KLbv KLbv cZvwiZ nq Avbw`Z nqwQ| KviY
NUbvUv _K Avwg wkLZ ciwQ| hgb, GKevi gvQ wKbZ
wMqwQjvg evRvi| weqi AvM hnZz evRvi m`vB Kivi evjvB wQjv
bv, evRvi Avwg Lye GKUv eySZvgI bv| mw`b P^vi _K ivZ evmvq
hvIqvi c_ gvQi evRvi XyKZB `vKvwb A `vg MwQq w`jv
weivU GK gvQ| Avi AvwgI mvq cqwQ fe ek Z gb wdijvg|
ce 2 \ mvdj

401

evmvq wdi Avgvi mnawgYxi nvZ gvQUv w`ZB Dwb eySjb, cPv
gvQ GUv| Avgiv ZLb _vKZvg GKUv dvUi PviZjvq| evmvi cvkB
wQjv cyKzi| eviv`v w`q wZwb ZLbB gvQUvK dj w`jb mB
cyKzi| mw`bB Avgvi wkv njv h, gvQIqvjvi K_v b KLbv gvQ
Kbv hve bv| gvQ wKbZ ne wbR `L|
QvULvUv evcvi nj wkv bqvUv DgmZK nq hvIqv, mB fyj
Avi bv Kiv hvZ wZxqevi cZvwiZ bv nb| wK cwZkva wbZ wMq
hw` AvBb wbRi nvZ bb, Avcwb AvBbi `wZ Acivax nq hveb|
ZvB AvBb wbRi nvZ beb bv| kvwi fvi mvi Ici Qo w`b|
Avi hw` Avcbvi AvBbMZ c`c bqvi kwmvg_ _vK Zvnj
beb| Ze gb ivLeb, KvDK hw` cvwbZ PzevZ Pvb Zvnj
AvcbvKI Kvgi cvwbZ bvgZ ne| AZGe hv Kieb Vvv gv_vq,
fewPhv Avcbvi Rb mZ| cwZwqv wnme, ewk gvmyj w`Z
nZ cvi Ggb Kvbv KvR Kieb bv|
ck : iRx, Avcwb ejQb memgq gvbeZvi KjvY KvR KiZ|
Avwg gvbylK wekvm Kwi, DcKvi Kwi| wK gvbyli viv AbK
cZvwiZ nqwQ| cZvwiZ nIqvi K fyjev Kx Ki?
Di : gvbyli DcKvi Kiv Avi cZvwiZ nIqv GK bq| gvbeZvi
KjvY Avcwb AekB KvR Kieb| wK cZvwiZ nIqvi evcvi
mPZb _vKeb| ewkifvM B gvbyl cZvwiZ nq Zvi fyji
KviY, evKvwgi KviY| evKvi gZv mvnvh KiZ wMq gvbyl Kxfve
fvMvwi wkKvi nq, Zvi AviKwU KiY NUbv byb fyfvMx gvbylwUi
wbRi RevwbZ
Avgvi GK Nwb ez GKw`b ejjb, Zvi xi GKUv PvKwi
`iKvi| Avwg Kvbv mvnvh KiZ cviev wK bv| Avwg evsjv`ki
`wYvji GKUv DcRjvi wUGbI-Gi UvBwc wnme KgiZ|
Avgvi gZv GKRb Qv-cvlv miKvwi PvKwiRxexi c G mvnvh Kivi
Kvbv myhvM wQjv bv| ZvB Gwoq Mjvg|
wK Gi ga Avgvi GK `~i mKi AvZxq GKw`b Avgvi evmvq
Gm K_vq K_vq ejjb, wZwb miKvii wewfb `i PvKwi w`Z
402

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

cvib| Kviv PvKwii cqvRb nj hb ZvK ewj| Avgvi ZLb gb

cojv ezi xi K_v| ezi mv_ Zvi Avjvc Kwiq w`jvg| ezK m
ejjv, wKQy UvKvi wewbgq GKUv PvKwii eev m Ki w`Z cvie|
ez ivwR njv| wK KqKw`b ci Avgvi AvZxqwU ezi KvQ GK j
UvKv `vwe Kijv| ejjv, PvKwiUv Kbdvg Kivi Rb UvKvUv jvMe|
Avgvi ez AvgvK wRm Kijv| Avwg ejjvg, Zzwg fe `L, SuzwK
be wK bv| Ze Avgvi AvZxqi evcvi wbwZ _vKZ cviv| PvKwi
bv nj Dwb UvKvUv AekB diZ w`q `eb|
Avwg Avmj Avgvi AvZxqi PUK`vi K_vevZvq wev nq
wMqwQjvg| jb`b nq Mj| AvZxqi K_vgZv XvKvq Gm Avgvi
ez UvKvUv Zvi nvZ Zyj w`jv| wK PvKwi Zv Avi nq bv| AvR
`B, Kvj `B Ki UvKv diZ `qviI Avi Kvbv AvjvgZ bB|
Gw`K UvKvi Ubkb Avgvi ez GKw`b Avb nq cojv| evmvi
jvKRb `o Gm ejjv, vb wdi m hw` UvKvUv `LZ cvq ev
UvKv cvIqvi wbqZv cvq, Zvnj my ne, bBj nvU-GUvK nZ
cvi| Avwg cojvg gnvmsKU| GKw`K ezi RxebmskqAvgvi m~
cwiwPZ nq AvgviB AvZxqi cZviYvi wkKvi nq AvR Zvi G Aev!
Abw`K Avwg GKRb Qv-cvlv Kivbx| gvwmK c-ji 9,160
UvKv w`q evmvfvov, msmvi LiP BZvw` mvgjvZ wMqB byb AvbZ
cvv dzivq| mLvb GZjv UvKv GLb Avwg Kxfve gvbR Kiev!
QyU Mjvg Avgvi Awdm h evsKi mv_ jb`b Ki mLvb|
gvbRvi mviK wec`i K_v Lyj ejjvg| dvwbPvi jvb wnme wZwb
GK j UvKv w`Z ivwR njb| wK gvm wKw w`Z ne 3,420
UvKv| gvm hvi eZbB bq nvRvi UvKv, m Kxfve mvo wZb nvRvi
UvKvi wKw UvbeGme hyw-eywi K_v fveevi mgq ZLb wQjv bv|
UvKvUv wbq ezi nvZ w`jvg| m my njv| wK Avwg AvRv eq
PjwQ GB FYi evSv| Gi ga mvZwU wKw Ljvc nqQ| evsK
bvwUk w`qQAvgvi wei AvBbMZ eev be| Avwg Pv Kij
PvKwi _K Aea Dcvq A_ DcvRb Ki FYUv kva KiZ cvwi|
wK GKwU Z _K AviKwU bZzb Z nvK, Zv Avwg PvB bv|
Avmj GB nQ evKvi gZv mvnvh KiZ hvIqvi cwiYwZ|
AvcbvK Zv hvPvB-evQvB bv Ki AbK wekvm KiZ ejv nq wb|
ce 2 \ mvdj

403

Avcwb wekvm Kieb mvK| wekvm Kieb wbRK| gwK KvR

jvMveb| Avcwb hLb gwK KvR jvMveb, wbqwgZ gwWUkb
Kieb, Avcbvi cv KvR Kie| cZvwiZ nIqv _K memgq Avcwb
euP hveb| ZLb Avi evKvwg ne bv, jvf Kg hve|
Avi jvf Kg MjB gvbyl memgq cZviYv _K iv cvq
Abi KjvY Ki Zvi KvQ _K cwZ`vb cZvkv Ki bv| KviY
cwZ`vb cZvkv KiQb ejB wbRK cZvwiZ gb KiQb| Avgiv
KvqvUvg g_W KvmB ewj, hvi DcKvi Kieb m Avcbvi wZ
KiZ cvi, Avcbvi e`bvg KiZ cvi| wK Avcwb hw` bK wbqZ
DcKvi Ki _vKb, m DcKvi cKwZZ Rgv _vKe| hLb cqvRb
ne, Ggb gvbyli mvnvh cvebhvK Rxeb `Lb wb, Pbb bv|
AZGe eyw cqvM Ki mvg_i ga Abi DcKvi Kieb|

kqvi evRvi \ Ryqv evRvi

ck : wiUvqvi Kivi ci cwfWU dv eve` cv UvKvUv evsK ivLZ
PvwQ bv| KviY GUv mivmwi my`i Afy| Gw`K evowZ wKQy Avq
Qvov msmvi Pvjvbv me bq| ZvB Avwg kqvi eemvq RwoZ nZ
PvB| G evcvi Avcbvi AwfgZ Rvbveb|
Di : Avcwb wK KUvwWKkb fyMQb| hw` my` bqvUv Avcbvi
AcQ`i nq, Zvnj kqvi evRvi bvgi Ryqv evRvii UvKvK Avcwb
Kxfve nvjvj gb Kib? Avmj kqvi eemv mK Avgv`i aviYv
nIqv cqvRb|
kqvi eemvi c_g avc nQ cvBgvwi kqvi| cvBgvwi kqvi
njvGKwU Kvvwb hLb Zvi g~jab msMni Rb evRvi kqvi
Qvo Ges QvU-eo wewbqvMKvixiv mB kqvi wKb wbqwgZ eeavb
wWwfW ev jfvski fvMx`vi nb| Kvvwb hw` jvfRbK nq, hw`
A_bwZK wfw k nq, Avcbvi jm nIqvi Kvbv mvebv bvB|
wK Avgv`i `ki mvaviY gvbyl kqvi eemv ej hv evS Zv
nQ kqvi evRvi| Avi GB kqvi evRvi Avmj Ryqvi evRvi Qvov
404

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Avi wKQy bq| GUv Avgiv ej AvmwQ MZ 30 eQi ai| KviY GjwR
Kivi mgq Avgvi hme KvqU kqvi evRvi wQjb, Zv`iK KvQ
_K `LwQ| `LwQ Zv`i me^v nIqv| Zviv AvgvK wRm
KiZb, Kvb kqviUv evoe, KvbUv Kge| Avwg ejZvg, `Lyb,
kqvi `i wbq fwelvYx KiZ nj Zv AvgvK kqvi eemvqx nZ
ne| wK kqvi evRvii cwZ Avgvi Kvbv AvMn bB| KviY GLvb
wRZZ nj gvwdqv Pi Ask nZ ne| Avi Zv nZ bv cvij
AvcvZZ hZB dzjduc IVb, GKmgq me^v nZ ne|
KviY Avgvi gb wQjv ZiY eqm `Lv wZb Zvmi Ljvi
cwiYwZhLvb Ryqvi AvqvRK`iB memgq Avwg wRZZ `LwQ,
mvaviY Ryqvwo`i bq| wK Zv`iK Kxfve cjy Kiv nZv Zv
`LwQ| nqZv AvqvRK`iB GKRb LjQ| ZvK wNi AvQ wZb/
Pvi Rb, ZvivI GKB `ji, wK evwKiv Zv Rvb bv| H RyqvwoK
wRZZ `L hLb bZzb KD Gjv ZvK Lye Drmvn w`q Ljvq
bvgvbv njv| c_gw`K m ek KqKUv `vb wRZI Mj ev ZvK
RZvbv njv| Gici nviZ i Kijv| wK hZ nviQ, ZZ Zvi
R` eo hvQ| m fveZ _vKGKevi niwQ ZvZ Kx, ciievi
hw` wRZZ cvwi GB cyiv nviUv Dmyj Ki djev| m Avevi evwR
ai Ges GKmgq me^v nq we`vq bq Ryqvi Avmi _K| GB
cwiYwZ wZb Zvmi Ljvq hgb, GLbKvi Kvwmbvi AvmiI Zgb|
KvwmbvZI RZ Kvwmbvi jvKivB, mvaviY Ryqvwoiv bq| Avi
kqvi evRvi nQ Gi be msiY|
GLvb c_g gvwdqv P bvbvfve Re Qwoq wewfb Kvvwbi
kqvi wKbZ _vKdj m kqvijvi `vg evoZ _vK| 1996
mvj GgbI nqQ h, 10 UvKvi kqvi 11 nvRvi UvKvq wew nqQ|
`vg evovi GKchvq mvaviY Zv`i ga hLb mB kqvi Kbvi
R mw nq, ZLb gvwdqv P Zv`i kqvijv Av Av wew
Ki| Gfve evowZ `vg gvwdqv`i me kqvi hLb wew nq Mj,
ZLbB `Lv Mj h, auvB auvB Ki kqvii `vg co Mj| nvRvi
nvRvi UvKvq Kbv kqvijv me KvMR nq Mj|
1996 mvj hv nqwQjv 2010 mvjI Gi ewZg wKQy bq| m
mgqi GKUv wicvU AbKUv GiKgek KqKw`b aiB `ki
ce 2 \ mvdj

405

kqvi evRvi wQjv Pov| e`jZ GKi ci GK jb`b I m~PK

evovi iKW nZ _vK| wK MZKvj kqvi evRvi m~Y Dv
cwiwwZ `Lv MQ| Gw`b wWGmBi mvaviY m~PK 147 cqU co
hvq| mvivw`b 244wU Kvvwbi kqvi jb`b nq| Gi ga `icZb
NU 181wUi| evo gv 63wU| w`bkl evKviR nvDRjv _K
AbK z` wewbqvMKvixK wegl Aevq evwo wdiZ `Lv hvq| gvU
jb`b nqQ 2,710 KvwU UvKvi| [c_g Avjv, 7 wWm^i, 2010]
GKB wicvUi AviK RvqMvq AvQ, hviv kqvii `vg Kwgfve
evwoq dvq`v jyUZ Pvq Zviv AvRvwZKfve eyj KvUj wnme
^xKZ| evsjv`ki kqvi evRvi eZgvb G aibi 10 _K 15wU
KvimvwRKvix P mwq iqQ| GB eyj KvUj P XvKv knii cuvP
ZviKv nvUjjvZ wewfb Kvvwbi m eVK Ki Zv`i m`i
cybg~jvqb, evbvm kqvi Bmy ev ivBU kqvi Bmyi gZv welqjv
Mvcb wbaviY Kwiq bq| Gme welq Kx NvlYv w`Z ne ZviI
wb`kbv `q GB P| Zv`i bovPovi IciB wbfi Ki cwZ mvn
`ki kqvi evRvi Kgb hve| Kvb LvZ kqvi ewk KbvePv
ne| GB Rvj AvUKv co cwZw`bB me^v nQ Abwf bZzb
AbK z` wewbqvMKvix|
A_vr Kvwmbvi gZvB nviwRZi Ljv, Pi mnvqZvq
mvaviY`i cZvwiZ Kiv| Avevi `Lyb, GB h 2,710 KvwU UvKvi
jb`bi K_v ejv njvGB UvKvq GKw`b Kx KvR nqQ? RvZxq
A_bxwZi Kx DcKvi nqQ? UvKvUv wK Kvbv LvZ wewbqvM nqQ,
bv Kvbv cY mw KiQ? G K_vjv Avgiv MZ 30 eQi ai wewfb
mgq ej AvmwQjvg| GLb ZviB cybivew KiQb wekliv|
MZ 17 Rvbyqvwi, 2011 `wbK BdvK cKvwkZ nq Kgywb
bZv gyRvwn`yj Bmjvg mwjgi jLv wbeevsjv`ki kqvi gvKU
: Kvwmbv A_bxwZZ Ryqvi evRvi| GZ wZwb ejb, AvaywbK cyuwRev`x
A_bxwZZ kqvi evRvii MvUv evcviwU cavbZ GK aibi dUKv
eemvi wfwi Ici vwcZ I cwiPvwjZ| cKwZMZfveB kqvi I
K gvKUi eemv GK aibi RyqvLjvi gZv evcvi| GLvb
wbavwiZ KZc I msv KZK wbewZ wewfb Kvvwb I Avw_K
cwZvbi g~jabi Ask ev kqvi wewi Rb evRvi Qvov nq|
406

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

wewbqvMKvix`i nvZ Nyi Nyi Gme kqvii KbvePv Pj| Kvvwb

ev cwZvbi DbwZ-AebwZi mv_ mv_ Zvi kqvii `vg IVvbvgv
Kie, GgbUvB ZvwKfve nIqvi K_v| Kvvwbi cvidig DbwZ
NUe AbywgZ nj wewbqvMKvixiv ci wew Ki Aviv ewk `vg
cvIqvi Avkvq PjwZ `vg Zvi kqvi wKb ivL| kqvi evRvi
Ki (wKb ivLv kqvii) `vg IVvbvgv mK gbvMZ Abygvbi
Ici wfw Ki RyqvLjvq fvM LyuR cvIqvi Avkvq Zviv kqvii
ivwL eemvq UvKv LvUvq| AbKUvB Nvo`oi Ljvq Nvovi cQb
evwR aivi gZv evcvi|....
kqvi evRvi ejvskB Kvwmbv Z_v Ryqvi evRvii gZv GKwU
vb| ivZvivwZ evwRgvZ Kivi jvf `wLq jvL jvL gvbylK kqvi
evRvi wewbqvM KiZ cjy Kiv nq| mnR gybvdv jvfi Avkvq
jvf co cbkbi UvKvq, Ni-evwo wew Ki, FY Kibvbvfve
A_ msMn Ki Zviv QyU Avm kqvi evRvi| Drcv`bkxj wewbqvM,
bZyb Kgmsvb mw BZvw` h weiZv PjQ Ges wkwZ
eKvii msLv hfve evoQ ZvZ mnR UvKv KvgvB-Gi GB
cjvfb giYSuvc `qvUv `ki j j mvaviY gvbyli Rb
A^vfvweK bq| wK ^vfvweK wbqgB hLb kqvi evRvi A^vfvweK
am bvg, ZLb Zv`i c_ emv Qvov Kvbv Dcvq _vK bv|
GB cwiYwZ bg Avm mvaviY y` wewbqvMKvix`i fvM| wK
kqvi evRvii eo eo PuvB I cwZvbjvi Acvi Avw_K mvg_
_vKvq Zviv kqvi evRvi ami mgqi msKU Dri DVZ mg nq|
dj ami ci kqvi evRvi hLb Avevi Pvv nq IV ZLb c_ emv
j j y` wewbqvMKvixi nvivbv UvKv Gm Rgv nq GB me eoeo wewbqvMKvixi nvZ|....
MZ GK gvmi ga ci ci `yB `dvq Avevi kqvi evRvi iKW
`icZb NUQ| c_g `dvq KqKw`b `o nvRvi cqU Ges
ciievi cvq `yB nvRvi cqU `icZb NUQ| kqvi evRvii 33
j mvaviY wewbqvMKvixi AwaKvskB BZvga wecyj jvKmvbi
wkKvi nqQ| gvU jvKmvb nqwQjv c_g `dvq cvq 25 nvRvi
KvwU UvKv Ges wZxq `dvq cvq 35 nvRvi KvwU UvKv| 10 Rvbyqvwi
GK w`b XvKv K GPi m~PK co wMqwQjv 660 cqU|
ce 2 \ mvdj

407

`ki MvUv A_bxwZ GK aibi Mvovq Mj` wbq PjQ| kqvi

gvKU wewbqvMi h wekvj wewZ NUQ, mB Zyjbvq cY I
mevLvZ cew AwZ bMY| myZivs Kvbv eMZ wfw ewZiK
AbKUv Kejgv nvIqvi Ici kqvii g~jew NU PjQ| GB
Aev evZvmi ey`eyy` A_ev dvjvbv ejybi gZv AwZ fyi nZ
eva| BsiwRZ GK evej BKvbwg ejv nq| GK gynZi LuvPvq
dvjvbv ejybi Pycm hvIqvi gZv evRvi m~Y am co gnvg`vi
cwiwwZ mw KiZ cvi| ZvQvov evwYwRK evsKmn Avw_K
cwZvbjv cY I mevLvZ wewbqvMi cwZ `w `qvi e`j `Z
gybvdvi jvf kqvi evRvi XyK coQ| Gi dj kqvi evRvi wRw
nq coQ eo eo wewbqvMKvix`i nvZ|
Ryqv GgwbZB fvMi Ljv, h Ljv GKmgq bkvi Uvb cvKv
RyqvwoKI c_i wfLvwi evwbq `q| Zvi Ici Ryqvi Avmi hw`
RvPzwi _vK, Zvnj mvaviY Ljvqvo`i me nvwiq dwKi nIqvUv
cvq wbwZ GKwU evcvi| kqvi evRvii mvaviY wewbqvMKvixiv
Aevi di AvR mB mebvkv fvMi Ljvi Amnvq wkKvi cwiYZ
nqQ| GB wevwiZ AvjvPbvi ci GLb AvcwbB wVK Kib Ki
mqjv GB gvwdqv Pi nvZ Zzj `eb wK bv|
ck : mKvwi kqvi eemv KiZ Bmjvwg kwiqZ evav AvQ wK bv?
mKvwi kqvi eemvq hw` jvfevb nB, m Avq ea wK bv?
Di : GUvZv hviv dKxn, gydwZ Zviv ejZ cvieb| Avwg ay GUyKz
ejZ cvwi h, mKvwi kqvi eemv gvb md Ryqv| Ryqv Bmjvg
ea, bv Aea Zv Avcbviv Rvbb| Ryqv hw` ea nq, Ryqvi Avq hw`
nvjvj nq, Zvnj GUvI nvjvj, GUvI ea| Avi hw` Ryqv ea bv nq,
Zvnj Avgvi Avi wKQy ejvi bB|
RyqvZ ev wZb Zvmi Ljvq hiKg AvqvRKiv RZ, kqvi
eemvZI miKg RwoZ wKQy PB jvfevb nq Avi mvaviY
wewbqvMKvixiv me^v nq| 14 deqvwi 2011 `wbK BdvK
cKvwkZ Kgywb bZv gyRvwn`yj Bmjvg mwjgi GKwU wbe _KB
evSv hvq Gi fqvenZv
408

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

evsjv`ki kqvi evRvi GLb BwZnvmi fqvenZg wechq

PjQ| XvKv K GPi m~PK bq nvRvi _K bg BZvga Qq
nvRvii Ni Gm `uvwoqQ| `wbK jb`bi cwigvY 30-32 nvRvi
KvwU UvKv _K gv cuvP/Qqk KvwU UvKvq bg GmQ| `yB gvm
evRvi _K g~jab nvIqv nq hvIqvi cwigvY 70-75 nvRvi KvwU
UvKv Qvwoq MQ|.....
eez imLjv e KiwQjb, kqvi evRvi wbq Ze Dv c_
Kb kxlK GB wbe wZwb Aviv ejb, eZgvb `k mePq eo
RyqvLjvi njv kqvi evRvi| Kvwmbv gvwjKiv hgb KuvPv
Ryqvwo`i bvbv cjvfb Avm Ki cvZv duv` Ub Gb cqmv
KvgvBqi eev Ki, kqvi gvKUi KwZcq cvKv RvPviI
GKBfve jvfi duv` ewmqQ| ..... Nvo`oi Ryqvq hgb nZv,
kqvi evRvii Ryqvi AvmiI ZgbwUB nQ| gawe GgbwK `wi`
kYxi 32-33 jvL gvbyl GB cjvfb cjy nq Zv`i Avq mq
m` RwgRgv mvbv`vbv wew Ki UvKv LvwUqQ kqvi evRvi| Avi
Zv`i gv_vq KuvVvj fO nvRvi nvRvi KvwU UvKv Kvwgq wbQ
^msLK PvjevR, Amr I gnvayii wewbqvMKvix|
[cv`UxKv : AZGe AvcwbB wVK Kib, Ryqvq Rwoq me^v nIqvi Rb
kqvi evRvi RwoZ neb wK bv ev m Avq ea ne wK bv|]

ck : kqvi evRvii cwZ Avgvi KLbv AvMn wQjv bv| Ze mw`b

KZnjekZ GKUv cvBgvwi kqvii Rb Ave`b KiwQ Ges mUv
cqI MwQ| GLb GUv wbq Kx KiZ cvwi?
Di : cvBgvwi kqvi wKbZ cvib| Avgiv Avmj mZK KiwQ
mKvwi kqvii evcvi hLvb RyqvevRvii gZvB kqvii `vg
evovbv-Kgvbv nq ay wekl KqKRbK jvfevb Kivi Dk|
wK cvBgvwi kqvii evcviUv GiKg bq| GKUv fvjv Kvvwbi
cvBgvwi kqvi hw` Avcwb Kbb, GLvb _K Avcwb jvf cveb|
evbvm kqviI cZ cvib| Avevi ek KqKw`b wbRi KvQ iL
ci Avcwb PvBj Zv wewI Ki w`Z cvib| mKvwi kqvii
gZv GUv RyqvevRvwi bq|
ce 2 \ mvdj

409

ck : Avgvi GK KvmgU AvQ LyeB Bgvkbvj| m GKUv PvKwi

KiQ| mLvb GK KwjMi K `L Lye wePwjZ nq cowQjv| H
KwjM Zvi me^ w`q kqvi eemv i Ki| wK AbK UvKv jm
Kijv| dj bg Gjv Zvi cvwievwiK wechqI| Zvi evevi nvUGUvK njv| UvKvi Afve fO Mj Zvi evbi weq| gvbwmK Pvc
mn KiZ bv ci jvKwU GKevi AvZnZvi PvI Kijv| Gmgq
Avgvi KvmgU Zvi cvk `uvovZ PvBjv| jvKwU wKQy kqvi
wKbwQjv GKwU bvgKiv Kvvwb _K, hLvb Avgvi evev ckvmb
cavb wnme KgiZ| Avgvi KvmgU AvgvK Abyiva Ki h, Avwg
hb evevi mnhvwMZvq H Kvvwbi kqvii wKQy Z_ hvMvo Ki
`B| wK Avgvi evevi gZv GKRb mr gvbylK Gfve eenvi Kivi
cveK Avwg MnY KiZ cvwi wb| ejwQ, c_gZ, kqvii evcvi
Avgvi ev Avgvi evevi Kvbv AvMn bB| wZxqZ, ivBU kqvii
Kvbv Z_ Gfve Zvi KvQ _K bqvUv GKUv AbwZK I Aea KvR
ne ej Avwg gb Kwi| Gi KqKw`b ci wb jvKwU AvZnZv
KiQ| Avgvi KvmgU AvgvK dvb Ki ej ZzB hw` Zvi evevi
Kvvwbi kqvii Z_jv w`wZ, Zvnj nqZv jvKUv AvZnZv
KiZv bv| ZvK euvPvZ cviZvg| iRx, AvmjB wK ZvB? jvKwUi
AvZnZvi Rb wK Avwg `vqx? Avgvi G Avi Kx Kivi wQjv?
Di : Avcwb ZvB KiQb hv Avcbvi Kiv DwPZ wQjv| Avcbvi mr
evevK w`q Kvbv Amr KvR Kivb wb| Avi kqvi evRvii GB h
cwiYwZGUv NUeB| Gi AvMi ckvijv _K GZY wbqB
Avcbvi KvQ mUv cwivi nqQ|
Avmj KD hw` wbRi cvq Kzovj gvi ZvK KD euvPvZ cvi
bv| Avcbvi ezi h KwjMi K_v ejQb, Zvi gZzi mg `vq-`vwqZ
Zvi wbRi| Avcbvi G evcvi Kvbv `vwqZ bB| eis Avcwb hw`
Avcbvi evevi KvQ _K Z_ wbq ZvK w`Zb, mUv nZv Aciva|

410

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cvPz
vPzhi c
cm~

ce 2 \ mvdj

411

412

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

cvPzh Kx?
ck : Avwg cvPzh PvB| wK Avgvi Pvicvki cvPzhevb gvbyl`i AmyLx
Rxeb `L Avwg wev| Zvnj wK abevb nZ PvIqv wVK bq?
Di : Avcbvi Pvicvki h cvPzhevb gvbyli K_v Avcwb ejQb, Zviv
Z_vKw_Z cvPzhevb| Avmj abevb nIqv Avi cvPzhevb nIqv GK bq|
A_vr cPzi A_i gvwjK njB cvPzhevb nIqv hvq bv, hw` bv m A_
AvcbvK Afveeva _K gyw w`Z cvi|
Avgvi cwiwPZ GK eemvqx wQjb, KvwU KvwU UvKvi gvwjK|
GKevi we`k _K Zvi dvb cjvg| ZLb mLvb gaivZ| Avwg
ck Kijvg, GZ ivZ, Avcwb NygvQb bv? Di Rvbvjb, ciw`b Zvi
GKwU eo KbUv mvBb nIqvi K_v wQjv, wK ZvZ wKQy mgmv `Lv
MQ| ZvB Ubkb Zvi ivZ Nyg nQ bv|
mv`i Bvnvbx GKevi wbRi mK ejwQjb, 'I am a poor
millionaire'.wgwjqwbqvi nIqvi ciI wZwb wbRK `wi`B fveQb|
wMmi abKzei GwiUj Ibvwmm, whwb cwmWU KbwWi weaev
x RvKzwjb KbwWK weq KiwQjb| Zvi GK cy AvjKRvvi
Ibvwmm, GK Kbv wwbv Ibvwmm| cy AvjKRvvi Ibvwmm gv
24 eQi eqm c-b vk gviv hvb| GwiUji gZzi ci Zvi AMva
m`i 55 kZvski DivwaKvix nb Kbv wwbv| 37 eQi eqm
wZwb wZb eQii wk KbvmvbK iL AvZnZv Kib| GwiUj
Ibvwmmi weLvZ cgv`Zix wwbv wKbwQjb mw` abKzei I
A eemvqx Av`bvb LvmvMx|
Avcwb hv`i cvPzhevb ejQb Zviv G`i gZvB AbK A_-we
_vKvi ciI AfveM| KviY cwZwbqZ Zviv Avkvq fvMb GB eywS
Zvi A_ Kg Mj, b njv ev nvwiq Mj| KviY cvPzhi mwVK
`wfw Zviv aviY KiZ cvib wb|
cvPzhi mwVK `wfw Kx ne G cm Bgvg Beb ZvCwgqv Zuvi
gRby Avj dZvqvq GK PgrKvi evLv w`qQb| Bgvg ZvCwgqvi GB
DwZwU Abyaveb Kij A_ Ges cvPzhi mwVK `wfw aviY KiZ
Ges Z_vKw_Z cvPzhevb`i wevw I AwiZv eySZ cvieb|
ce 2 \ mvdj

413

'One should have money with grace so that it is blessed

for him. One should not have it with greediness. Money
should be like restroom. He should go to it when he needs it.
It should never exist in his heart. One should manage his
wealth just as he needs his bathroom.'

A_vr A_ mK mwVK `wfw aviY KijB Zv Avgv`i Rb

Avkxev` nZ cvi| A_K `LZ ne cqvRb wnmeAbKUv
ev_igi gZv| cqvRbi mgq Avgiv ev_ig eenvi Kwi wK
mvivY Gi K_v wPv KiQb, Ggb KvDK LuyR cvIqv gykwKj|
A_KI Zgwb `LZ ne cqvRb wnme, Gi cwZ gvnM ev
Avm nj Avcwb ivMRRwiZ neb|
ck : cvPzhK Avgiv Kxfve msvwqZ Kiev? cPzi abm` ARb
KijB wK cvPzhevb nIqv hve?
Di : cvPzh ay A_ we mvb LvwZ cwZcw bq| cvPzh nQ
Afveevai AbycwwZ| KviY mwZKvi cvPzh njv `n-gbi Ggb
GKwU AevhywmZ cwZwU PvIqv hLvb cvIqvq icvwiZ nq
mnR ^ZtZZvq| mnReva evsjvq cvPzhK Avgiv ejZ cvwi
mvdji Rvqvi| A_vr gvMZ mvdj ai ivLvi djvdjB nQ
cvPzh| Avcwb hv-B aiQb ZvB hLb mvbv nq hvQ ZLbB Avcwb
cvPzhevb| mvdj nQ c_g avc, cvPzh cieZx avc|
Avcwb cvPzhevb wK bv, GUv evSvi Rb wbRK ck KiZ ne,
Avcwb w`Z cviQb wK bv| A_vr `vb, mev, mrKg Avcwb ^Zt~Z
wK bv? KviY wZwbB w`Z cvibhvi AvQ, whwb Afveeva _K,
AwbqZveva _K gy| Avi hw` A_K KzwMZ Ki ivLvi cqvRb
Abyfe Kib, Ze Avcwb cvPzhevb bb|
ck : jLvcov kl Ki Mvwo-evwoi ^c `LZvg| gwWUkb KiwQI
GRb| Zvnj GLb wK Mvwo-evwo PvBev bv?
Di : jLvcov kl Ki Avcwb hLb gvbyli Rb KvR Kieb,
gvbylK mevg mev `eb, A_ Avcbvi AvmeB| Mvwo-evwo Ggb
414

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

wKQy bq h, GUvK PvBZ ne| Avcwb hw` `Zv mw Kib Zvnj

Mvwo-evwo Avcbvi GgwbZB Avme| wKbjI MvwoZ Poeb, bv
wKbjI MvwoZ Poeb| ZvB gbQwe ne `Zv, gavK mevg
KvR jvMvbvi|
hgb, cvwKvbi evev Bw`| `vZe msMVb Bw` dvDkb
cwZvi gvag wekRyo gvbeKjvYg~jK KvRi Rb whwb ckswmZ|
wZwb Lye mvaviY Rxebhvcb Kib| Zvi x bvm wQjb| wZwb GKwU
QvU `vKvb `Lvkvbv KiZb| mLvb _K me Qo Zviv mevi
KvR i Kijb| wecb gvbyli cvk `uvovjb|
AvRK Av^yj wnme evev Bw`i Mvwoi msLvB mvZki ewk|
nwjKvi, Givc-bKI wZwb Av^yj wnme eenvi Kib|
GKevi WvKvZ `j Zvi evwoZ WvKvwZi wmv wbjv| wK wMq
`Ljv LvwUqv, evwjk Avi wKQy nuvwo-cvwZj Qvov Avi wKQyB bB|
WvKvZiv Avi Kx Kie? gbi `ytL mewKQy fOPzi Pj Mj| A_vr
hvivB mev Kivi Dk KvR KiQb, Zviv nqZv ^Qvq mv`vgvUv
Rxebhvcb KiZ cvib, wK Zv`i A_i Afve nq bv|
ck : A_, cvPzhGKwU wK AviKwUi c~ekZ| bvwK Kvbv mK bvB?
Di : Avmj ay A_B cvPzh bq| wK A_ QvovI cvPzh nq bv| cvPzh
AvmZ nj Avcbvi cqvRbi mgq A_ AvmZB ne| cvPzh nQ
Avcwb hv Pvb mUv cvIqvi Rb Avcbvi hv hv cqvRb, hv hv DcKiY
`iKvi mUv ^ZtZfve AvmZ _vKv| A_vr ay A_ cvPzh mw Ki
bv| Avevi A_ QvovI cvPzh nq bv|
ck : Avcwb ejQb, A_i gvn Afve mw nq| Avevi A_ bB gvb
cvPzh _K wbRK ewZ Kiv| GB `yBqi ga YMZ cv_K Kx?
Di : GKwU nQ bB; AviKwU nQ, _KI bB| KD A_ bB
ej Afve eva KiQb, Avevi KD A_ _vKvi ciI Afve eva
KiQb| _KI Kxfve bv _vK G wbq AbK gRvi NUbv iqQ|
Avgv`i GK cwiwPZRbwhwb GKvavi myiKvi, MxwZKvi Ges MvqK
ce 2 \ mvdj

415

wQjb| ckvq evsKvi| 74 mvj gwiPi Afve mw njv| wZwb gwiP

wKb Awdm iL w`Zb| cwZw`b evmvq Avmvi mgq Pvi/ cuvPUv mv_
Ki wbq AvmZb| Zvi fq wQjv, GZ `vgi gwiP evmvq ivLj mevB
Lq dje| wZwb Zvi x Ges Qj wgj wZbRb njI memgq Kjv
wKbZb `yUv Ki| gZzi mgq AbK evsK evj iL MQb wVKB
wK m A_ Zvi Kvbv KvR Avm wb|
Avmj A_i cwZ hLb gvn mw nq ZLb KD Avi m A_ LiP
KiZ cvi bv| abxiv hLb cPzi cqmv w`q wKQy Kb, Zv wbRi Rb
Kb bv, wewbqvMi Rb Kb| A_i gvn hLb mw nq Rxeb ZLb
A_nxb nq hvq| GwU cvPzh bq|
AviK cwiwPZRbi XvKvq 11Uv evwo| GLb _K 15 eQi AvM
gvm evwofvovB cZb mvZ/ AvU j UvKv| A_P UvKv LiP nq hve
fq wZwb GKUv fvjv mvjI ciZ cviZb bv| GZ A_, wK Zvi
Kvbv KvR AvmQ bv| GKRbi cPyi A_ _vKvi ciI A_ bB
gbvfve, Avi hvi bB Zvi Zv bB-B| GLvbB `yUvi cv_K|
ck : cvPzhi Rb GKRb gvbyli Kx cwigvY A_ _vKv cqvRb?
Di : h cwigvY A_ _vKj m Afveeva Kie bvm cwigvY|
ck : Avgvi fvBqi `wZ cvPzh gvbB A_cvw| GB aibi gvbylK
Kxfve evSvbv hvq h A_B Rxebi mewKQz bv?
Di : GUv Lye KwVb| hZY ch ei KvwKi w`K, A_i
bwZevPK w`K, A_vr AwZwi A_i A_nxbZv Dwb wbR bv eySeb
ZZY ch ZvK KD evSvZ cvie bv| A_vr A_i cqvRb
AvQ, wK AwZwi A_ h wbRi Rb A_nxb GUv hZY ch Dwb
wbR bv eySQb Kviv cB evSvbv me bq|
ck : `Zvi h_vh_ g~jvqb bv nj mZZv w`q wK Rxebhvcb Kiv
hvq? GKRb miKvwi KgPvix hw` AvU nvRvi UvKv eZb cvb hv w`q
Rxebhvcb KKi, wZwb wK mZZv w`q cvPzhevb nZ cvieb?
416

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Di : Avgiv gb Kwi, miKvwi GB eZb KvVvgv e`jvbv DwPZ|

eZb KvVvgv nZ ne hywmZhvZ GKRb miKvwi KgPvix PvKwii
UvKv w`q f`fve Rxebhvcb KiZ cvib| hw` Zv bv nq Zvnj
`Lv hve h, wZwb nqZv `ybxwZZ Rwoq coQb| KviY ZvK gZv
`qv nqQ, wK A_ `qv nq wb| A_ DcvRbi Rb ZLb wZwb
gZvi Aceenvi KiZ cvib| Ze `ybxwZ Ki A_we nZ cvi,
wK `ybxwZ Ki cvPzhevb nIqv hvq bv|
ck : Avgvi UvKv AvQ, Kxfve GUv m` icvwiZ KiZ cvwi?
mnR Dcvq ejeb|
Di : A_K m` icvwiZ Kivi Dcvq nQ GK mevq wbqvM
Kiv| GKRb gvbyl hKvbv fve A_-nvwmj KiZ cvi| cZviYv
Ki, wQbZvB-ivnvRvwb Ki ev Nyl Lq m AbK UvKvi gvwjK nq
hZ cvi| wK h A_ mevi wewbgq Avm wb Zv KLbvB m`
icvwiZ nq bv|
hgb, mvmx Gikv` wkK`vi cPzi A_ DcvRb KiwQjv| wK
Zvi Aev Kx `uvovjv? AvR Zvi mvbivI Zv`i evev h Gikv`
wkK`viGUv ^xKvi KiZ Pvq bv| Lyjbvq Zvi evwo ^YKgji
mvBbevWI Zviv DwVq wbqQ| GKBfve mvmx gyiwM wgjb ejb,
UvKvB mvMi ev WvKvZ knx`KviviB KvwU KvwU UvKv Zv`i Kvbv
DcKvi KiZ cvi wb| m` AcniY Ki hw` cvnvo Mob mB A_
AvcbvK Kvbvw`b Zw w`Z cvie bv, eiKZ w`Z cvie bv| w`Z
cvie bv LvwZ mvb wKQyB| Avcwb Avcbvi UvKv mevq wbqvM Kib,
m` icvwiZ Kivi mePq mnR Dcvq nQ GwU|
ck : mvb I m` GKB bv Avjv`v?
Di : m` ejZ hw` ay A_KB evSvbv nq, Zvnj ejZ ne
GB m` Ges mvb GK bq| KviY AbK A_ _vKvi ciI GKRbi
mvb bv-I _vKZ cvi| Avevi cPzi A_ bB, wK mvb AvQ
GgbI nZ cvi| wK m` gvb ay A_ bq| m` hKvbv
ce 2 \ mvdj

417

wRwbm nZ cviGKwU fvjv K_v m` nZ cvi, fvjv AvPiY

m` nZ cvi| h K_v gvbyli Rxeb KjvY wbq Avm, mwU wK
m` bq? iM Mjb Zv ni MjbG K_vwU wK m` bq?
Avevi A_K fvjv KvR eenvi Kiv nj Zv-I m`| A_vr hLb
gav mevq icvwiZ nq ZLb m` evo| m m` mybvg nZ
cvi, `vqv nZ cvi, A_ nZ cvi, mnvq-mw nZ cvi|

cvPyh I ag
ck : Avgv`i mQjZv I cvPzh viv Kx aibi mQjZv I cvPzh
evSvbv nQ ? Avw_K ev RvMwZK, AvwZK ev cigvwZK?
Di : Avmj me aibiB| KviY GB cw_exZ Avcbvi `n Qvov
AvZvi Kvbv g~j bB, Avevi AvZv Qvov `ni AwZ bB| A_vr
RvMwZK Ges AvwZK`yB RMZB cvPzh `iKvi| Avgiv h cvPzhi
K_v ejwQ mUv `yB RMZiB cvPzh| KviY Avgv`i cvPzh nQ mr
cvPzhAvgiv gavK mevq icvwiZ KiwQ, wewbgq cvPzh AvmQ|
ck : cKZ cvPzh Kx nIqv DwPZ?
Di : cKZ cvPzh nQ `qi cvPzh| gnvgvbe`i h cvPzh wQjv,
mB cvPzhmveRbxb fvjevmv, mevi cwZ ggZv| Zv`i Kvbv Afve
nq wb, Zviv memgq Afvegy wQjb| Avmj hZ Avcwb wewjq w`Z
cvieb, ZZ Avcbvi cvPzh evoZ _vKe| hZ KzwMZ Ki ivLZ
PvBeb, ZZ Avcbvi cvPzh KgZ _vKe, Afve evoZ _vKe| ZvB
`qUvK eo KiZ ne| wekRbxb ggZv aviY KiZ ne| Avi ZLb
Avcbvi cvPzhi Kvbv Afve ne bv|
ck : bexRx (m) Ges Avmnve myddviv wK cvPzh gwZ wQjb? mUv
wK cvijwKK Rxeb Ab Avb`jvKi cvPyh, bvwK Yvqx RvMwZK
cvPzh? Kvb aibi cvPzh mwZKvi A_ Kvg? RvMwZK Ges
cvijwKK cvPzhi mg^q Avcbvi wb`kbv Kx?
418

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Di : bexRx (m) Ges Avmnve myddviv cvPzhevb wQjb bvGwU

m~Y v aviYv| Rxebi kl `kK bexRx (m) GKwU ivi KYavi
wQjb| Lvjvdvq ivk`vb Aa cw_exi kvmK wQjb| Zuviv wK `wi`
wQjb? nhiZ Igii mgq cvim I ivgvb mvgvRi cZb NUwQjv|
bexRxi (m) mvnvexivB GB wekvj mvgvRi AwacwZ nqwQjb| Zviv
KD wK Mwie wQjb bv| Zviv m`i Aceenvi Kib wbmvaviY
gvbyli KjvY eenvi KiQb| hviv bexRx (m) Ges Zuvi mvnvex`i
Mwie ejb, Zviv Avmj BwZnvm mK Rvbb bv ev RvbjI fyj
aviYv cvlY Kib| AbK fveb, Mwie evbvj eva nq Zuv`i
gvnvZ evoe| Avmj Zv bq|
`ywbqvZI Zviv Mwie wQjb bv, AvLivZI Zuviv cvPzhevb neb|
m~iv Bevwngi 27 AvqvZ ejv nqQAvj-vn wekvmx`i `ywbqv I
AvLivZ Dfq vbB cwZv `vb Kib| AZGe AvLivZ fvjv
_vKvi Rb `ywbqvZ Mwie _vKvi Kvbv cqvRb bBG mZwU
gnvgvbeiv Zv`i Rxeb w`q `wLq MQb| Avcwb hw` bexRxi (m)
Abymvix nb, `ywbqvZI AvcbvK cvPzhevb nIqvi Rb Pv KiZ
ne| GKRb wekvmx gvbyli `ywbqvi mvdj Zvi AvLivZi mvdjK
evwoq `q| KviY wZwb Rvbb m` Kxfve KvR jvMvZ nq|
ck : AbK ej, cvPzh Gj gvbyl Avj-vnK fyj hvq, GUv wK wVK?
Di : `vwi`I Kzdii KvQvKvwQ, AfveI Kzdii KvQvKvwQ| Avcbvi
hw` Lvevii eev bv _vK Zvnj Zv bvgvRI gb eme bv| Avmj
h Avj-vnK fyj hvIqvi, m cvPzh GjI fyj hve, `wi` _vKjI
fyj hve| me `wi` ew wK Avj-vnK memgq iY KiQ? ZvB
cvPzh Gj Avj-vnK fyj hvqK_vwU me chvR bq|
ck : QvUejv _K b GmwQ avwgK nZ nj, fvjv gvbyl nZ
nj Mwie _vKZ ne| abx nj Avj-vnK cvIqv hve bvGUv wK wVK?
Di : bv, GUv v aviYv; GUv RvnwjqvZ| bex-imyjiv wK Mwie
wQjb? nhiZ Beivnxg (Av)-K hLb Kvievwb w`Z ejv njvc_g
ce 2 \ mvdj

419

wZwb 100 `y^v, ci 100 DU Kvievwb w`qwQjb| 100 DUi `vg

GLb Kgc `yB KvwU UvKv| `yB KvwU UvKv whwb GKw`b eq KiZ
cvib ZvK wK Mwie ejv hvq? c_g Rxeb imyjyj-vn (m) mdj
eemvqx wQjb| Avi gv weRqi ci Aviei AwacwZ nb wZwb|
nhiZ Igi AaK cw_exi kvmK wQjb| Zuviv wK avwgK wQjb bv?
gywb-Fwliv Avkg _vKZb ej wK Zuviv Mwie wQjb? ZLbKvi
w`b Avkgjv wQjv GKKwU wekwe`vjqvbvRbi cxVvb|
Akgah mnm Nvov ewj`vbi weeiY cvIqv hvq| iNycwZ ivNe
ivRv ivgP` Ahvavi ivRv wQjb, gnvgwZ ey ivRKzgvi wQjb| hviv
avbi c_ Avmb, mvi mshywi c_ Avmb Zviv KLbv `wi`
_vKb bv| Zviv wejvwmZv Kib wb, Zv`i m` gvbyli Rb wewjq
w`qQb| wK Zviv `wi` wQjb bv|
G Avgiv evLvix kixdi GKwU nv`xm iY KiZ cvwi`yB
ewK Zzwg Clv KiZ cvivAvj-vn hvK vb `vb KiQb Ges whwb
GB vb mwi mevq weZiY Kib| Avi Avj-vn hvK m` w`qQb
Ges whwb mwi KjvY GB m` eq Kib| A_vr m`kvjx nIqv
I mwi KjvY m m` eq Kiv ClYxq welq| AZGe avwgK nZ
nj Mwie _vKZ neG aviYv GKeviB fyj|

cvPzhi cwqv
ck : eZgvb cvcU Ges Avgvi Aevb ea c_ Kxfve cvPzhi
AwaKvix nZ cvwi?
Di : Avgiv AvMB ejwQ, Aea c_ A_ Avm, cvPzh Avm bv|
cvPzh AvmZ nj ea c_ Ges mevi gvag AvmZ ne| Avgiv
memgq eveZvi `vnvB `B, cvcUi `vnvB `B| cKZ mZ
nQ, wbeva Ges AvnvKivB eveZvi `vnvB `q| eywgvb gvbyl,
AvZwekvmx gvbyl memgq eveZv wbgvY Ki|
hgb aib, Avgiv hLb ev`ievbi jvgvq KvqvUvg wkKvbb i
Kijvg ZLb AbKB ejjb, eveZvi cvcU GwU Pvjvbv Ame|
420

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Gi Rb h cwigvY A_i cqvRb Zv Avgiv hvMvo KiZ cviev

bv| Avgiv ejjvg, cviev| hLb mevB ck Kijv, A_ Avme
KvK?Avgiv gvwUi evsK `wLq w`jvg| AbK nvmvnvwm
Kijv| GLb eveZv njvgvwUi evsK _K msMnxZ A_ w`qB GK
hyM ai wkKvbb PjQ| wkKvbbi kZ kZ myweavewZ wkK
AvjvwKZ gvbylic Mo Zvjvi j eQi KqK KvwU UvKv eqi
Rb Avj-vni ingZ Avgv`i Kviv KvQ nvZ cvZZ nq wb|
Avgiv hLb e-vW cvMvg Kijvg ZLbv Zviv ejjb, GwU ^A_vqb me bq| 2012 mvj ch KvqvUvg i`vb Kvhg mvqv
Pvi jvL BDwbU i Ges i Dcv`vb mieivn KiQ| Avgv`i e-vW
cvMvg GLb ^wbfi e-vW cvMvg| Gi bvgB nQ cvPzhcqvRb mw
nj mwU c~iY Kivi gZv A_ Pj Avmv| Avgiv wekvm KiwQ Ges
mB mv_ cPv PvwjqwQh KvRjv Kiv `iKvi mjv KiwQ|
AZGe, cvcU Ges AevbK KLbv `vlvivc Kieb bv| Avcwb
mvdji cm~ AbymiY Kib| cvPzhi cvcU Zwi nq hve|
ck : mevi cB wK cvPzhevb nIqv me? nj Kxfve?
Di : wbqB me| cvPzhi evcvi Avgv`i gwjK vw nQ,
Avgiv GK AwZwi cvw gb Kwi| ^vfvweK AwaKvi gb Kwi bv|
A_P cvPzh nQ cwZwU gvbyli RbMZ AwaKvi| cwZwU gvbyl cvPzhi
Drmfvvi wbq RbMnY Ki| Kg I `wfw ZvK cvPzhevb ivL
A_ev wbt^ Ki| GKwU wki wK Kvbv Afve bB| m memgq
nvmgq| hv cvQ, hZUzKz cvQ ZvZB m Z| Zvi Kvbv Afveeva
bB| wK mB wk cvPzhevb _vKZ cvi, Avevi wbt^I nq hZ
cvi hw` Zvi Kg Ges `wfw wVK bv nq|
cvPzhevb nIqvi cwqv nQ gavK mevq icvwiZ Kiv| G
cm gvwKb abKzei nbwi dvWi GKwU Dw Dj-LhvM'Wealth
like happiness is never attained when sought after directly. It
always comes as a by-product of providing a useful service'.

A_vr m` Avm memgq evB-cvWv wnme| hLb cqvRbxq mev

`qv hvq, ^vfvweK cwqvZB m` AwRZ nq|
ce 2 \ mvdj

421

hviv cexY AvQb, XvKvq _vKj Avcbv`i wbqB gb AvQ, GLb

_K 40 eQi AvM bevecyi ivW w`q nuvUv hZ bv| NUbv Kx? jvBb
w`q jvKRb mvevb wKbQ| Kx mvevb? cPv mvevb| bvg cPv njI
KvR Ab mvevbi Pq fvjv| Avi Zv Kbvi Rb mKvj _K ivZ
ch jvBb w`q _vKZv gvbyl| h GKevi wKbQ m Avevi hZ
Kbvi Rb| Avkcvk Aviv KqKwU mvevbi KviLvbv _vKjI
Zviv GLvbB wfo KiZv| KviY Zv`i mvevb wQjv Y-gvb
fvjv| Kvco cwivi nZv| `vgI hywmZ| hv Ab mvevb wQjv
bv| hnZz Zviv mev w`Z wkLwQjv, ZvB GB KviLvbvi gvwjKi
cvPzhI GmQ ^vfvweK ^ZtZZvq|
gavK mevq icvii AviKwU D`vniY UvUv Mc| c_g UvUvi
ay jvnv wQjv| GLb jvnv ev Mvwo bv, jeY _K i Ki wPwb Pv
Lvevi AvUv me AvQ| UvUviUv Lq, UvUvq Po, UvUviUvZ Nywgq,
UvUvq ci Avcwb gviv hZ cvieb| hZ mev evoQ, ZZ m`
evoQ| A_vr m`kvjx ev cvPzhevb nIqvi cwqv nQgavK
mevq icvwiZ Kiv|
Avmj meK gvbB `vZv, whwb meK nqQb, Zvi cvPzhi Kvbv
Afve nq bv| nZ cvi bv| AZGe Avcwb Avcbvi gavK mevq
icvwiZ Kib| Avcwb cvPzh AeMvnb Kieb|
ck : gav Kx? Kxfve Zv ARb Kiv hvq, evLv w`j KZ nev|
Di : gav I cwZfv nQ we mvebv| cZKiB wKQy wKQy
evcvi mnRvZ AvMn _vK, wKQy wKQy KvR KiZ fvjv jvM| GB
AvMn hgb ^ZtZ nZ cvi Avevi AbyciYvRvZ nZ cvi| GUvB
GKRb gvbyli Y ev ewk ej weewPZ nq| GB Y ev ewkB
nQ gav| A_vr ^Zt~Zfve Kvbv KvR ev welqi cwZ AvKlY
eva KivUvB nQ H wekl evcvi Zvi gav|
GUvK hLb gvbyli KjvY eenvi Kiv ne ZLb mUv mevq
icvwiZ ne| cwZwU gvbyli gaB Adzi gav my AvQ| ^ZtZ
AvMn ev AbycvwYZ nq GwU weKwkZ nZ cvi| Avi gvMZ
Abykxjb hv ARb nq mUv nQ `Zv|
422

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

ck : gavK mevq icvi Kivi aviYvUv Avgvi KvQ cwivi bq|

eySev Kxfve h, gav mevq icvwiZ nQ? KievB ev Kxfve?
Di : Avmj mev Kiv Lye mnR| aib, Avcwb v msMn KiZ
fvjevmb| hLb ay wbR msMn KiQb ZLb GUv Avcbvi kL _vKQ|
wK aib, GKB aibi v Avcbvi 10Uv AvQ| mjvK Avcwb
Ab`i gvS weZiY Kivi eev Kijb Ges wewbgq wKQy A_
cjb| Avcwb mev w`jb Ges Zviv Avcbvi mevi cwZ`vb w`jv|
GUvB nQ gavK mevq icvwiZ Kivhv cvPzh Avb| ZvB
memgq LuyRZ ne h, Avgvi gavUv Kv_vq, Kvb KvRUv Avwg fvjv
KiZ cvwi| mB KvRB Avcbvi cvPzh Avme| GLb cw_exZ mevB
hw` GgweG nq hvq, mevB hw` Wvvi nq hvq Zv ivMx Kv_vq
cvIqv hve? mevB Kvbvw`b GgweG ne bv, Wvvi ne bv, Bwwbqvi
ne bv| Avi Zvi cqvRbI bB| wK meviB wbR^ wKQy gav AvQ,
hv m Abvqvm mevq icvwiZ KiZ cvi|
ck : gavK mevq icvi Kivi wbavwiZ ckvjvi bvg ejj
fvjv nq| Avwg G evcvi wKQyUv wavw^Z GRb h, mKj ckvq
mivmwi mevi myhvM cvIqv hvq bv|
Di : Avmj cZKwU ckvZB mev`vbi myhvM iqQ| hLvb
Avcbvi h KvRUzKz Kiv cqvRb mB KvRUzKz AviKRb gvbylK K
bv w`q hw` Avcwb Ki `bGUvB nQ mev|
Avcwb hw` KwDUvi UKwbwkqvb nb, h KvRwU `ywgwbU Ki `qv
me, mUv `ywgwbU Kib| hw` IqvKkc bv wbq ZLbB KvR Ki
w`Z cvib, Zv-B Kib| U KiZ ne ej wbq wMq `yBw`b
GgwbB dj ivLjb| ci gv wZb wgwbU KvR Ki `vex Kijb
AbK ewkGUv mev njv bv, kvlY njv|
Kvgmi GKRb Bci AvgvK GKw`b ejjb, iRx, jvq
ejZ cvwi bv| Avwg ejjvg, Kx? wZwb ejjb, Avgvi iwR Zv nvjvj
nq bv| eZb hv cvB, Zv w`q Zv LvIqvi LiPB IV bv| evwK me
wgUe Kx Ki! KvRB Dcwi wbZB nq eva nq| eySjvg, wZwb GKUv
ce 2 \ mvdj

423

ip eveZvi K_v ejQb| G `wfw GUvB nZ cvi h, Avcwb

h PvKwiB Kib bv Kb dvBjUvK AvUK ivLeb bv| dvBj Qo
w`b| Avcwb ZvK K w`jb bv| Zvici hw` Lywk nq KD wKQy Ki
mUv Ab K_v|
hw` Wvvi nbcZK ivMxK mgq w`b, Zvi mv_ menvi
Kib, ZvK Avkvi evYx kvbvb| wd w`Z cviQ bv ej KvDK
wdwiq `eb bv| wkK nj cwZwU Kvm mgqgZv DcwZ nvb,
QvQvx`i w`K gbvhvM w`b, mevi Ici vb w`b vb weZiYK|
A_vr mev Kvbv msKxY evcvi bq| cwZwU ckvq mevi myhvM
AvQ| KviY cwZwU ckvB Rb wbqQ gvbyli Kvbv bv Kvbv
cqvRb c~iYi Rb| AZGe Avcwb h ckvZB _vKzb, m ckvi
gvag hUyKz DcKvi Kiv me, c~Y ggZv I AvwiKZv wbq Zv
Kib| Avcbvi Rxeb cig KiYvgqi Avkxev` cwic~Y nq DVe|
ck : Avwg GKRb msMVK| wewfb mvgvwRK msMVbi mv_ RwoZ|
`ki Dbqb I KjvY Ae`vb ivLZ PvB, Avevi wbRI cvPzh
_vKZ PvB| Avgvi KiYxq Kx nIqv DwPZ?
Di : Avmj Avcwb h KvRUv KiQbG KvR Ki KLbv Avw_K
cvPyh _vKv hve bv| bex-imyjiv cvPyhevb nqwQjb KviY Zviv
gvbyli m~Y `wfwKB cwieZb KiwQjb| RxebK Zviv MnY
KiwQjb cwic~Yfve| mvgvwRK msMVb Avgiv Kx Kwi? gvS gvS
ewm, GKUz M Kwi, fvjv K_v ewjGi gvag Ae`vb ivLv Ges
cvPyhevb nIqv `yUvB KwVb| bvg ev cwiwPwZ nZ cvi wK msMVbi
UvKv AvZmvr Kiv Qvov weevb nIqvi Kvbv ivv `LwQ bv| hw`
Avw_K cvPyh Pvb Zvnj Avw_K KgKv AvcbvK RwoZ nZ ne|
ck : cvPzhi cwZeKZv DiYi c_ GKRb mvsevw`K ev AvBbRxex
wnme Avgvi KiYxq Kx?
Di : Lye mnR| mvsevw`K wnme Avcbvi h gav AvQ, AvBb
Avcbvi h gav AvQ GUvK mevg mevq icvwiZ Kib| AbK
424

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

AvBbRxex AvQb Zvi mv_ `Lv KiZI GK jvL UvKv jvM! Dwb
KvU Avcbvi Rb joeb bv, ZviciI GK jvL UvKv w`Z ne Zvi
civgkUzKz bqvi Rb| Avi GLb h cwigvY gvgjv-gvKgv! Avcwb
Zv mvbvi Lwbi Ici AvQb| wmv wbb bxwZMZfve Ggb Km
beb, hUv Avmj| Kvbv alKi Km beb bv, Lywbi Km beb
bv| h gRjyg Zvi c Avcwb AvBbi vb cqvM Kib, Kvbv
wbiciva hb kvw bv cvq|
ck : Avcwb ejQb gavK mevq icvi KiZ Ges mev w`q
m` ARb KiZ| ck nQ, evwo fvov w`q A_ DcvRb Kij mUv
mevi ga co wK bv|
Di : mevi ga co, Ze mePq Kg cwikgi mev! hw`
fvovwUqv`i Avcwb D bv Kib, fvovwUqvK cvwb wVKgZv `b,
Kj Lvivc nq Mj mUv wVK Ki `b, hYv bv `bZvnj AekB
GUv mevi ga co| wK GUv Lye Kg cwikgi mev| GLvb gavi
Kvbv cKvk bB hw` GUv evc-`v`vi evwo nq _vK| Avi wbR
DcvRb Ki hw` Avcwb evwo evwbq fvov `bGUvI nQ AwaK
wewbqvM Kg mev| Avcwb evwo evbvjb, fvov w`q w`jbwewbqvM
AbK ewk, mevi cwigvY Zzjbvg~jKfve Kg|
ck : cvPzh ev mvdjK wPivqx Kivi Rb Kx Kiv DwPZ?
Di : Ggb wKQy Kiv DwPZ hvi cfve `xNvqx| Ggb GKwU KvR Ki
hZ ne, hwU gvbyli DcKvi jvMe hyM hyM Kvj Kvj| hgb,
AvjKRvvi dwgs cwbwmwjb Avwevi Ki MQb| jyB cvi
RjvZi cwZlaK, gv`vg Kzix iwWqkb Avwevi KiQb| Bgvg
evLvix iL MQb bexRxi (m) evYxi msKjb| Ujq, kwcqvi,
iex`bv_, bRij iL MQb Agi mvwnZ|
Avi hw` UvKvcqmv Rwgq iL hvb Zvnj Avcbvi Qj-gqivB
iviw Kie mUv wbq| mvdj-cvPzhK wPivqx KiZ nj mUvK
mveRbxb ic w`Z ne| me gvbyli Rb DrmM Ki w`Z ne|
ce 2 \ mvdj

425

ck : cvPzhi KvqvUvg m~ Kx?

Di : cvPyhevb nIqvi KvqvUvg m~ 5wU| c_gZ, Kwiqv| wZxqZ,
gbQwe| ZZxqZ, mev ev mv`vKv| PZz_Z, mei| cgZ, mNvqb
bZZ I eevcKxq Yvewj ARb|

Kwiqv
ck : cvPzhi Ggb GKUv mgv_K k ejyb, hUv Aej^b Kij
cvPzhevb nIqv AeavwiZ|
Di : GKUv k ejv KwVb| cvPzh kwU w`q hZwKQy evSvbv hvq,
GUv cvIqvi Rb hv hv Kiv `iKviGUv GKK_vq evSvbv KwVb|
Ze nuv, Avcwb hw` mevevq kvKi Avjnvg`ywjj-vn, cfy ZvgvK
abev` ejZ cvib, cvPzh Avcbvi AvmeB|
ZvB mvdj I cvPzhi c_g m~ nQ Kwiqv, A_vr hv AvQ Zvi
Rb KZZv| cvPzhi mg kw my AvQ Kwiqvi ga| KviY
cw_exi mePq eo eveZv nQ, hv bB Zv wbq Avcwb KLbv i
KiZ cvieb bv| AvcbvK i KiZ ne hv AvQ Zv wbq| Avgiv
hLb kvKiMvRvi nBZLb cKZc Avgiv mPZb nq DwV,
Avgv`i Kx AvQ m mK|
kvKiMvRvi `wfwi wecixZ nQ bwZevPK `wfw| A_vr Kx
AvQ Zvi w`K `w bv w`q Kx bB Zvi w`K `w `qv| bwZevPK
`wfwi AwaKvix nj Avcwb gb Kieb, Avgvi Zv AgyKi gZv
gvgv-PvPvi Rvi bB, ZgyKi gZv Avgvi fvM fvjv bvAvwg mdj,
cvPyhevb Kxfve nev? dj GKRb bwZevPK ew KLbv Rxebi
j wi KiZ cvi bv| Zvi Kvbv mywbw` KgcwiKbv _vK bv|
cwiYvg e_ nq Zvi Rxeb|
mdj gvbyliv kvKiMvRvi wQjb| gwnqmx bvix njb Kjvi
`w-cwZex wQjb| GKevi GK mvsevw`K ZvK ck Kijb h,
Ckii wei Avcbvi Kvbv AwfhvM bB? wZwb nm ejwQjb,
Cki AvgvK hv wKQz w`qQb, mUvi RbB Zv KZZv cKvk Ki
426

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

kl KiZ cviwQ bv| hv `b wb, Zv wbq AwfhvM Kiev KLb?

GKRb `w cwZex bvix hw` GZUv kvKiMvRvi nZ cvib, Zvnj
Avgv`i Kx cwigvY kvKiMvRvi nIqv DwPZ!
Avmj cKwZi wbqg nQ Zj gv_vq Zj `qv| hZ Avcwb
kvKiMvRvi _vKeb, ZZ fvjv wRwbmjv Avcbvi w`K AvK nZ
_vKe| Avi kvKiMvRvi bv nZ cvij, Avjnvg`ywjj-vn ejZ bv
cvij, CkiK/ fMevbK abev` w`Z bv cvij, GLb hv AvQ Zv-I
nviveb| GRb bexRx (m) ejQb, Kwiqv nQ bqvgZi jvMvg|
Avgiv KvqvUvg cwievii m`miv cwZw`b mKvjejv Nyg fvOZB
ewj, kvKi Avjnvg`ywjj-vn/ nwi Ig/ cfy ZvgvK abev`/ Cki
ZvgvK abev`, AvgvK GKUv my`i w`b w`qQv| mvivw`b hZevi
gb nq ZZeviB ewj, kvKi Avjnvg`ywjj-vn| ivZ NygvZ hvIqvi
AvM Avevi ewj, kvKi Avjnvg`ywjj-vn|
Avgiv hLb _K KvqvUvg dvDkb cvwZvwbKfve G K_v ejv
i Kijvg Zvici _K cig KiYvgqi Avkxev` Avgv`i Ici
Aviv ewk Ki ewlZ nZ jvMjv| dv I KvRi gvv eo Mj|
AZGe kvKiMvRvi nvb, Avcbvi hv AvQ Zvi cwZ gbvhvMx nvb,
Zv wbqB i Kib| Avcwb mdj I cvPyhevb neb|
ck : cvPzhi Rb Kwiqvi GZ iZ Kb?
Di : Avmj cvPzhi Rb Kwiqvi iZ GZUvB h, hLbB `vwi`
Avme, Akvw Avme Ges AvZ Avme, ZLbB eySZ ne Kwiqvi
Afve iqQ Avcbvi ga| GRb imyjyj-vn (m) PgrKvifve
ejQb, kvKiMvRvi nI| Zvgv`i bqvgZi cew NUe| wZwb
ejQb, bqvgZ nQ eb Nvov| Avi Kwiqv nQ Gi jvMvg|
GKUv Rswj Nvovi Ici hZY jvMvg bv jvMvbv nQ ZZY H
Nvovq KD PoZ cvi bv, wbRi KvR jvMvZ cvi bv| Zgwb
hLbB GKRb gvbyl kvKiMvRvi nq ZLbB m mPZb nqAvj-vn
ZvK h bqvgZ w`qQb m mK| Avi bqvgZi evcvi hLb m
mPZb nq ZLb bqvgZi menvii evcviI m D`vMx nq,
Zrci nq| GLvbB cvPzhi Rb Kwiqvi iZ|
ce 2 \ mvdj

427

ck : bv-Kwiqv gvb Kx?

Di : Avj-vni `qv bqvgZi A^xKwZB nQ bv-Kwiqv| hgb,
Avj-vn gw w`qQb| Avcwb gwK eenvi Kijb bv, GUv bvKwiqv| Avj-vn `ywU nvZ w`qQb cwikg Kivi Rb, `yUv cv
w`qQb nuvUvi Rb, Avcwb GjvK eenvi Kijb bv| Gjvi
menvi bv Kiv A_vr KggZvi Aceenvi Kiv nQ bv-Kwiqv|
Avj-vn nvZ w`qQb KjvYKi KvR Kivi Rb, GLb KjvY bv
Ki Avcwb nvZUvK hw` Nywl gvivi KvR eenvi Kib, GKRbi bvK
dvUvbvi Rb eenvi Kib, GKRbi Ici Ryjyg Kivi Rb eenvi
KibGUv nQ bv-Kwiqv, GUv nQ Aceenvi|
gwK hw` KjvYi cwieZ AKjvYi KvR jvMvbGUv
bqvgZi A^xKwZ ev Aceenvi| GB Aceenvi hvivB KiQ,
Zv`i cwiYwZ nQ `vwi` Akvw AvZ nZvkv welYZv| Akvwi
Avb Zv`i cyoZ nq, welYZvq fyMZ nq| abx `kjvZ
wWckb mePq ewk| Kb? Zviv bqvgZi Aceenvi Ki|
hw` menvi bv Kib ev KvbviKg eenviB hw` bv Kib h,
Avwg Lye mnRmij gvbyl, Avwg Gjvi wKQyB eenvi Kwi bv, eenvi
KiZ Rvwb bvZvnj `vwi` _K KLbv Avcwb gyw cveb bv| wewfb
RvqMvq Avw`evmx`i `LybZviv wK mr, mnRmij| Pzwi, wQbZvB,
`ybxwZ, hb Aciva Zv`i ga cvq bB ejjB Pj| ZviciI Zviv
`wi`| Kb? KviY Zviv Zv`i gwK eenvi Ki bv|
ck : Avwg mbvZb agvej^x| kvKi Avjnvg`ywjj-vn ejvi cwieZ
Avwg wK Ab cwZk eenvi KiZ cvwi?
Di : kvKi Avjnvg`ywjj-vni cwieZ nwi Ig ejZ cvib|
Avgv`i cwievii AZ mvwbZ m`m AvPvh W. cik P`
gjwhwb mbvZb agi Ici Avgv`i `k meRb kq cwZ|
Zvi gZ, kvKi Avjnvg`ywjj-vni h_vh_ cwZk cvIqv Lye KwVb|
Ze wZwb gb Kib h, mbvZb ag nwi Ig kwUB kvKi
Avjnvg`ywjj-vni cwZk wnme eenvi Kiv hvq| AZGe mbvZb
428

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

agi Abymvixiv Abvqvm nwi Ig, cfy ZvgvK abev`, Cki

ZvgvK abev` ev fMevb ZvgvK abev` ejZ cvib|

gbQwe
mvdj I cvPzhi wZxq m~ gbQwe| gbQwe Aavq G mK wevwiZ
RvbZ cvieb|

mev ev mv`vKv ev `vb

ck : Ab KvDK wKQy w`j Avwg Kxfve cvPyhevb nev? GUv wK
hywwei-cKwZwei K_v bq?
Di : gvUB hywwei bq| cKwZweiI bq| cKwZi wbqgB nQ
wKQy cZ PvBj AvcbvK wKQy w`Z ne| Avcwb hv `eb, cKwZZ
Zv Rgv _vKe| Avi Zvi cwZ`vb Avcwb cvebB| GB RbB cvPyhi
ZZxq m~ nQ mev ev mv`vKv ev `vb|
m~iv evKvivi 261 bs AvqvZ ejv nqQ, mr `vb Ggb GKwU
kmexR hv _K Drcb nq mvZwU kxl Ges cwZwU kxl _vK kZ
km`vbv| Avj-vn hvK BQv Aviv eY cew `vb Kib| GKUv exR
_K mvZUv kxl Ges cZKUv kxl _K 100 km`vbv, A_vr 700
Y| A_vr hw` Avcwb GK UvKv `vb Kib 700 Y cveb| Zvici
Avj-vn ejQb h, wZwb PvBj Aviv eY cew `vb Kib|
cKwZi wbqgB nQ, hLb Kv_vI Kvbv k~bZv mw nq, ZLb
Pviw`K _K m wRwbm Gm k~~bZv c~iYi Pv Ki| hgb, evZvm
hLb nVvr Mig nq Icii w`K DV hvq, m duvKv vb c~iYi Rb
Pviw`K _K evZvm AvmZ _vK| Av Av evZvmi eM evoZ
_vK, So mw nq| evRvi A_bxwZi wbqgI nQ, hLb Kvbv mvgMxi
Afve mw nq, k~bZv mw nq, ZLb Avg`vbxKviKiv mUvi w`K SuyK
co, dj Pviw`K _K mUv AvmZ i Ki|
Gfve hv-B Avcwb w`q `eb, Zvi eY Avme mB k~bZv
ce 2 \ mvdj

429

c~iYi Rb| A_`vb Kxfve cvPyh Avb Zvi cgvY KvqvUvg gvwUi
evsK| hviv-B gvwUi evsK `vb KiQb mgqi mv_ mv_ Zv`i
`vbi cwigvY eoB PjQ| h ew c_g eQi 30 UvKv Rgv
w`qwQjb, wZwbB MZ eQi w`qQb AbK UvKv| Avq bv evoj Zv
wZwb GZ UvKv `vb KiZ cviZb bv|
ck : Avgvi Zv A_ bB| Avwg Kxfve mev ev `vb Kiev?
Di : mev ev mv`vKv ay A_`vb bq| mev ev mv`vKvi myhvM me|
cwZwU fvjv KvRB mv`vKv| nvwmgyL my`i Ki K_v ejv mv`vKv|
Avcwb Awdm _K wdi xi w`K ZvwKq GKUz nm ejjb, mvivw`b
Kgb KvUjvGUv mv`vKv| Avcbvi nvRe GmQb, Avcwb GKUz
nm GwMq Mjb, GKUz wgw K_v ejjbGUv mv`vKv| gvK GK
M-vm cvwb Xj w`jbGUv mv`vKv| cvwievwiK KvR mnhvwMZv Kiv
mv`vKv| NiUvK cwiQb Ki ivLv mv`vKv| AvZxq^Rb I
cwZekx`i mnhvwMZv Kiv mv`vKv|
GwZg wgmKxb weaev Amnvq`i jvjbcvjb KiZ mnhvwMZv Kiv
mv`vKv| AmyK `LZ hvIqv mv`vKv| Abi mvdjjvf Awfb`b
Rvbvbv mv`vKv| A_bwZK ev mvgvwRK cwieki wkKvi Amnvq
gvbylK cwieki ew`Z _K gy KiZ mvnvh Kiv mv`vKv|
gRjygK mvnvh Kiv mv`vKv| hKvbv vY KvR mv`vKv|
ZwlZK cvwb cvb Kivbv, zavZK Avnvi `qv mv`vKv| ivvq
KuvUv co AvQ, BU, cv_i, KvPi UzKiv co AvQGjvK AcmviY
Kiv, Rj wKQy co AvQwbwfq `qv mv`vKv| Aaxb`i mv_
gvbweK AvPiY Kiv mv`vKv| RvwZ-ag-eY wbwekl A_ ev kg w`q
KvDK Aivb `vb Kiv mv`vKv|
i`vb Kiv mv`vKv| Drmvn DxcK, MVbg~jK BwZevPK AvjvPbv
ev jLv mv`vKv| my`i GKUv KvRK wicvU Kiv, cwKvq cKvk Kiv
mv`vKv| RbMYi Afve-AwfhvM wbq cwKvq jLv mv`vKv|
GKRbK mr civgk `qv mv`vKv| GKRb c_ nvwiq djQ,
ZvK c_ `wLq `qv mv`vKv| eq, gwnjv, wk hvvc_ `uvwoq K
cvQb, Avcwb hw` Avcbvi wmU Qo ZvK emZ `bGUv mv`vKv|
430

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Awdm Avcbvi `vwqZUv my`ifve cvjb Kiv mv`vKv| Awdmi KvR

AviKRbK mnhvwMZv Kiv mv`vKv|
chyw ev wevbi vb KvR jvwMq bZzb Kvbv chyw Dveb
Kiv mv`vKv| GKUv h b nq MQ| hUvK wVK Ki `qv mv`vKv|
GKRbK gwWUkb Dy Kiv, Kvm Dy Kiv mv`vKv| KviY Gi
gvag m AvjvwKZ c_ AvmQ| A_vr mwi KjvY hKvbv KvR
nQ mev ev mv`vKv| Gi Rb A_iI cqvRb bB| Ze mePq
fvjv mv`vKv nQ wbRi Abb gavi mevP weKvk NwUq Zv mwi
KjvY wbqvwRZ Kiv|
cvPyhi Rb Avcwb hv Pvb Zv `vb Kib| Avcwb hw` mvb Pvb
AviKRbK mvb KiZ ne| Avcwb hw` A_ Pvb AviKRbK A_
w`Z ne| Avcwb hw` LvwZ Pvb AviKRbK cksmv KiZ ne|
A_vr hv Avcwb Pvb mUv AvM AvcbvK w`Z ne| Avcwb eY
diZ cveb|
ck : vbi cvPzh Kxfve ARb Kiv hvq?
Di : vb hZ `vb Kieb ZZ vbi cvPzh evoe| KviY hZ `vb
Kieb ZZ vbi k~bZv mw ne, Avi Pviw`K _K vb AvmZ
_vKe mB k~bvb c~iY Kivi Rb|

mei
ck : cvPzh Avmvi c~e ch Kx Kiev `qv Ki ejeb?
Di : Kb ejv hve bv? cvPzh bv Avmv ch mei KiZ ne|
cw_exZ Ggb KD bB whwb Avw_K ejb, ivRbxwZ ejb, mvwnZ
ejb, ag ejbKvbv cwikg Qvov, K Qvov, ah Qvov cvPyh
jvf KiQb, LvwZ jvf KiQb| cvPzhi Rb mei KiZ ne|
Avgiv mei ki Lye fyj A_ Ki _vwK| GKRb gvi LvQ, Avgiv
ewj, mei Ki| gvb Aviv gvi LvI! Avmj bxie AZvPvi mn Kivi
bvg mei bq| mei nQ wbRi j ARbi Rb Vvv gv_vq wbijm
ce 2 \ mvdj

431

cwikg KivhKvbv cwZKjZvi gyL, Ki gyL j AwePj _vKv

Ges mB ji Rb me^ ZvM KiZ cZ _vKv|
Avcwb GKUv KvR nvZ w`qQb| mvgwqK e_Zv AvmZ cvi|
`wi nZ cvi| wK mvgwqK e_Zv hLbB AvmQ, Avcwb nZvk nq
hvQb| Avcbvi wekvm dvUj ai hvQ| cw_exZ hviv weRqx
nqQb, hviv cw_exK wKQy w`q MQbZv`i Rxeb wK mvgwqK
e_Zv Avm wb? GKi ci GK e_Zv GmQ| ZviciI cwZwU
e_Zvq Zviv AUj _KQb Ges kl ch ZvivB Rqx nqQb|
Avcwb bjmb gvjvi K_v fveyb| eYev`i wei wZwb hLb
c_g msMvg KiZ i Kijb ZLb eYev`i Aemvb ne, gvjv
gy `wY AvwdKvi cwmWU nebGUv Kbv KivI AwaKvsk
gvbyli Rb wQjv `ytmva| cwgv weki KvQ Zvi cwiPq wQjv
mvmx| 1962 mvj MdZvi nIqvi ci `xN 27 eQi AvUK wQjb
kZv`i KvivMvi, hvi wmsnfvM KUQ iveb xci GKwU wbRb
mj, hLvb m~hi Avjv cek KiZv bv| Qq gvm GKwUi ewk wPwV
cvIqvi ev GKRbi ewk `kbv_x Avmvi AbygwZ wQjv bv| ZviciI
wZwb nZvk nb wb, jPyZ nb wb| kl ch 1990 mvj wZwb gy
njb| eYev`i Aemvb NUjv| 1994 mvj wZwb gy `wY AvwdKvi
cwmWU wbevwPZ njb|
MYPxbi cwZvZv gvI mZzs| Rbvij wPqvs KvBkKi KzqvwgbUvs
evwnbxi AvgY _K AvZivi Rb Pxbi `wY c~evj _K wZwb
GK j Abymvix wbq hvv i Kib 1934 mvj| Dicwg Pxbi
BDbvb cuQvi GB my`xN 9,600 wKjvwgUvi cv`cmviY KiZ wMq
cuvPwU ZzlviveZ wMwic_mn 18wU ceZgvjv, KqKwU eo b`xmn 25wU
b`x, wexY K`gv Rjvf~wg cvi nb| BwZnvm GUv js gvP wnme
LvZ| 90 nvRvi Abymvix hvvc_ gviv hvb| Gmgq Zvi `yB mvb Rb
bq| jvjbcvjb Kivi gZv Aev wQjv bv ej cw_ga Zv`iK
w`q `b KlK`i KvQ| GB mvb`i LuvR Avi wZwb cvb wb|
GZwKQyi ciI wekvm AUj wQjb| 10 nvRvi AbymvixK me welq
cwkwZ Kijb| Av Av Abymvixi msLv evoZ jvMjv| 15
eQii iv msMvg kl ch wZwb Rqx nb| `vwi`cxwoZ Pxb GLb
A_bwZK civkw|
432

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

hviv Avw_K w`K _K m`kvjx nqQb Zv`iI wK Kg K

KiZ nqQ? Kvwiqvi mePq eo abKzei cqvZ Pzb Ry Rys `vB
Kvvwbi gvwjK wQjb| ZvKI Kg K KiZ nq wb| cvwjq
GmwQjb Di Kvwiqv _K| w`bgRyi wQjb| `wY Kvwiqv
hvIqvi cqmv wQjv bv| evevi GKUv Mi wQjv| MiUvK wew Ki
mB A_ wbq cvwjq hvb `wY Kvwiqvq| 50 eQi ci 1998 mvj
Di Kvwiqvq `ywfi mgq 400 UvK evSvB Mi wbq wZwb
wMqwQjb Di KvwiqvqZvi Rbf~wgZ| UvK Ges Mi meB Zvi
Rbvb iL GmwQjb|
GUv Zv Mj GK Rxebi K_v| Bw``i `Lyb, GiKg ahkxj
RvwZ cw_exZ Lye Kg| wLc~e 99 mvj, A_vr wLi Rbi 99 eQi
AvM RiRvjg _K Zviv weZvwoZ njv| mB RiRvjg Zviv
cek Kijv `yB nvRvi eQi ci 1948 mvj Ges cyivcywi cek
Kijv 1968 mvj| Avgv`i hgb C`, Bw``i evwlK Drme Zgwb
mvevZ| 2000 eQi ai Zviv mvevZ GKRb AviKRbi mv_
nvkK Ki ejZvAvMvgx eQi Avgiv mvevZ Kiev RiRvjg|
100 eQiK hw` wZb cRb aiv nq, GB wnme 60 cRb ai Zv`i
GKB gbQweAvMvgx eQi mvevZ Kiev RiRvjg|
A_vr wekvm AUj _vKZ ne| wekvm hLb AUj _vK ZLb mUv
nqB| evav hZB AvmyK, cwZKjZv hZB AvmyK, euvK hZB AvmyK,
wekvm AUj _vKZ ne| hLb wekvm AUj _vKeb ZLbB Avcwb
meii mv_ KvR KiZ cvieb| Avi mv meiKvixi mv_B _vKb|
ck : B`vbxs Avgvi c gwWUwUf jfj _vKv Lye KKi nq
`uvwoqQ| mn KiZ KiZ mni euva fO hvq| Avwg hZ Pv
KiwQ Rxebhvcbi wevb AbymiY Ki PjZ, Avgvi Pvicvki
jvKiv mUv wbq Zzgyj nuqvwjZ bgQ| mLvb e ki kvwoI
AvQb| weivgnxb ah ai hvev bvwK cwZev` Kiev?
Di : GwU Rxebi Lye iZc~Y GKwU ck| mn KiZ KiZ euva
fO Mj Zv Avcwb fO Mjb| mn KiZ KiZ Zv mngZv
Aviv evov DwPZ| hiKg mvKvm `Lv hvq h, 220 fv we`yr
ce 2 \ mvdj

433

cevni ga GKRb iW ai AvQb wK we`yr nQb bv| GwU

GKevi me nq bv| Zviv c_g i Kib bq fv _K| Gici
10, 15, 20, 25 Gfve evoZ evoZ Zvici GKUv mgq 220 fv|
AZGe hZ mn Kieb mni gZv ZZ evoe| Avi mn KiZ ne
Avbw`ZwP| GLvb Avgiv AbKB fyj Kwi| mn Avgiv Kwi, wK
Lye weiw wbq| Avgiv KvR Kwi| KviY Rvwb h, GUv AvgvKB KiZ
ne| wK Kwi AwbQvfi, wbivb`| dj AkvwZ fywM|
hgb, MwnYxiv AbK mgq wKQy KvR Lye weiw mnKvi Kib|
vf cKvk Kib h, ZvK me KvR KiZ nQNii gqjv cwivi
KiZ nQ, _vjvevmb ayZ nQ| wK GLvbB wZwb hw` `wfwUv
cv djZ cviZbhw` gb KiZb h, bexRx (m) ejQb,
cwivi-cwiQbZv nQ Cgvbi A| AZGe Ni-Mivwji Gme KvR
Ki Avwg Avmj Avgvi Cgvb gReyZi KvRB KiwQ, ZvnjB wK
KvRUv nq hvq Avb` Avi Zwi Drm|
jvKRb AvcbvK LcvQ| Avcwb Lc hvQb| Zvi gvb
Avcbvi gwWUwUf jfj mw nq wb| e ki kvwo Avi KZUzKz
ejZ cvi? Avcbvi eis Avbw`Z nIqv DwPZ h, GZ Avcbvi bvn
gvd nq hvQ| AZGe welqwUK mnRfve wbb| memgq cv-GKwUf
_vKzb| kl ch Avcwb Rqx neb| KviY mZB kl ch Rqx nq|
ck : hvMZv ARbi wewfb evavi myLxb nwQ, evi evi _g
hvwQZvnj hvMZv Avme Kgb Ki?
Di : KD wbR hvMZv ARb Ki Zv AvcbvK Zv w`q w`Z
cvie bv, mUv Zv Zvi hvMZv ne| Avcbvi hvMZv AvcbvKB
ARb KiZ ne| KviY AvZweKvki AwaKvi KD KvDK `q bv,
GUv Av`vq Ki wbZ nq| evavi myLxb Zv nebB, evavB hw` bv
AvmZv Zvnj mevB cvPzhevb nZv| evav AvmZB _vKe| hZB evav
AvmyK ahi mv_ KvR Kib| gvMZ GwMq hveb|
Rxeb Avmj evi evi i Kivi AviK bvg| KLbv, Kvbv
AevZB nvj Qvoeb bv, _vgeb bv| Avcwb _g Mj Abiv
GwMq hve| weRq bv Avmv ch jovB Pvwjq hvb| KvRi mv_
434

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

AvVvi gZv jM _vKzb| cqvRb mekw eenvii Rb cZ

_vKzb| GKwU wk Rbi ci c_g wPr nq q ay nvZ-cv bvoZ
cvi| GKmgq m KvZ nq, ci Dcyo nq| Zvici i nq nvgvwo
w`q nvZ-cvq nuvUv| Gici m DV `uvovq, nuvwU nuvwU cv cv Ki|
nuvUZ wMq m evi evi co, evi evi DV `uvovq| Avevi nuvUZ i
Ki| GKmgq Kviv mvnvh QvovB m nuvU, `ovq| AvcwbI
GKBfve jM _vKzb| AvcwbI hvMZv-`Zv ARb Kieb|
ck : Kxfve Pjj Rxeb mdj nZ cviev? Kxfve Pjj gvbyl
AvgvK fvjevme? Kvbv welq ah aij ahi gvv KZUzKz nZ
cvi? QvU GB Rxeb ah aiZ wMq hw` K cZ cZ gi hvB,
ZeyI wK ah aiev? Avwg wK Kvbv fqi ivv w`q ivZ GKUv ev
`yBUvq hvIqvi mvnm KiZ cvwi (Lye `iKvi)?
Di : evSv hvQ h, Avcwb ZiY| Avmj ahi Kvbv mxgv bB|
GB evcvi Zv gxRv Mvwjei mB MRj AvQ h, gvib wK ev` wf
gi AuvL Lywj iwn, DmKv Av`vZ cvi Mvqv_v mbv BRvi wK|
A_vr gZzi ciI Avgvi PvL LvjvB iq Mj| Kb? Zvi Afvm nq
wMqwQjv Acv Kivi| wcq KLb Avme mB Acvq c_i w`K
ZvwKq _vKZ _vKZ m GZB Af nq wMqwQjv h, gZzi ciI
`Lv MjZvi PvL LvjvB iqQ| Acv ev mei ev ahi mxgv
KZUv nZ cviKwe Mvwje Zv my`i GB icKwUi ga w`q
eywSqQb| Avi Acvi djI mfveB dj|
eve RxebI hLbB Avgiv ah aiwQ, Avgiv Avj-vni ingZK
memgq Ui cqwQ| Avgv`i mvsMVwbK , PZbv wevii
Ggb AbK cwiwwZi gyLvgywL Avgiv nqwQ, hLvb Ab KD nj
gvivgvwi KvUvKvwU nq hZ| wK Avgiv ah aiwQ| dj cwiwwZ
GKmgq Avgv`i AbyKj Pj GmQ| KviY KviAvb Lye Ki
ejv nqQ h, Avj-vn memgq ahkxj`i mv_ _vKb|
GKevi GK kwgvb cfvekvjx gvbyl Zvi ZiY cwZcK Lye
iM ejQb h, AvB DBj vk BD| ZiY Di ejjv h, Bqm,
BD Kvb vk wg| KviY Avcbvi AbK kw, Avcwb vk KiZ
ce 2 \ mvdj

435

cvieb| b kwgvb cwZc Lye Lywk| wK Gici ZiY ejjv,

Ze vk Kivi ci Zv wKQy Avk _vKe, QvB _vKe| wZwb ejjb
h, nuv _vKe| ZiY ZLb ejjv h, H QvB _K Avgvi cybRb ne|
A_vr Avcwb hw` wekvmK cej ivLZ cvib, bvb Kvb vk BD
H QvB _K, H wechq _K Avcbvi cybRb ne| AZGe memgq
gb ivLeb h, mei ev ah nQ Rxebi AwZ iZc~Y welq| Avi
fqi ivv w`q ivZ GKUv ev `yBUvq hvIqvi hw` AvmjB cqvRb
nq, Zvnj Zv hZB ne| wK cqvRb Qvov hvIqvi `iKviUv Kx?
KviY Avj-vni mvnvh ZLbB cvIqv hvq, hLb SzuwKUv beb cqvRb|
ck : Abvqfve KD Ryjyg Ki hw` Avgvi Rxebi DbwZi c_
cwZeKZv mw Ki Zvnj Avgvi Kx Kiv DwPZ?
Di : Vvv gv_vq kw mq KiZ ne| hLb kw mq ne, hLb
eySeb h, Gevi Zvi nvZUv Avcwb aiZ cvieb, ZLb wMq nvZUv
aieb| ejeb h, GZw`b hv KiQv KiQv, Gevi Avi cvie bv|
Gevi hw` Ki Zvnj nvZUv fO `ev| memgq gb ivLeb, `yeji
Kvbv ez nq bv| `yeji ez KD KvbvKvj wQjv bv, Kvbv Kvj
neI bv| AZGe mei Kieb, Vvv gv_vq kw mq Kieb|
ck : Avwg bwZevPK wPvi djvdj mnR cvB wK BwZevPK wPvi
djvdj eySZ cvwi bv Kb?
Di : Avmj hKvbv BwZevPK welqi cfve co `wiZ| eQi `yB
AvM nvBwZi f~wgKi K_v gb Kib| PvLi mvgb cwmWUi
cvmv` fO Mj| wK MoZ KZ mgq jMwQjv? nvBwZ Mo DVZ
KZ eQi jMwQjv? A_P fvOZ jvMjv KqK mK gv|
bwZevPKZvi cfve co `Z| fvjv K_vi cfve co `wiZ| hgb,
AvcbvK KD my`ix ejjv| GUv Avcbvi ga Zgb cwZwqv bv-I
KiZ cvi| fveeb, AvgvK Zv mevB my`ixB ej| wK KD hw`
ej, Zzwg Zv cuvPvgyLxcfveUv co mv_ mv_B| GUvB
eveZvasm KiZ mgq jvM bv wK MoZ mgq jvM|
436

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

mNvqb
ck : cvPzhi Rb mNi iZ KZUzKz?
Di : Avgv`i cvPzhi eo evav nQ, z` ^v_ciZvi e|
Avgiv gb Kwi, me myL m` cvPzh Avwg GKv fvM KievAvi KD
bv| GUv KiZ wMq Avgiv Avmj wKQyB KiZ cvwi bv| wbRI cvPzh
cvB bv Ges Pvicvki gvbylKI cvPzhi mvb w`Z cvwi bv|
Avmj eo wKQy KiZ PvBj mNeZv Qvov Zv me bq| Avcbvi
^c, Avcbvi wPv evevqbi Rb nvRviv gvbylK m KiZ
cvijB Avcwb eo neb| GLvbB mNvqbi iZ| mNvqb AvwgK
Avgivq e`j `q| z` ew^v_ jxb nq hvq mvgwMK KjvY|
dj mswk- mevi cvwi cwigvY nq eY| KviY GK gv_vi Pq `yB
gv_vi vb ewk| `yBqi Pq wZb-Gi| mNvqb e gw GKvZ
nq DPgvvi mRbkxjZv, kw I ciYvi bZzb Drm icvwiZ nq|
mNvqb mw nq wmg I eevcbvi `Zvmw nq MwZkxj bZZ
I Kgcv| KviY cuvP nvRvi jvKi GKUv dvwi KiZ PvBj
AvcbvK cuvP nvRvi gvbylK gvbR Kivi hvMZv ARb KiZ ne|
gvbRwiqvj KvcvwmwUi Afve Kx nqZvi GKwU eo D`vniY
Av`gRx RyU wgj| ^vaxbZvi ci Avgiv GB wekvj wgji AwaKvix
njvg, wK wKQyw`bi gaB GwU cwiYZ njv kZ nwZ| wekvj
mB RvqMvq GLb BwcRW AewZ|
Avgv`i Kvvwbjv eo nZ cvi bv, KviY Avgiv bvg `B
Kvvwb wK AvPiY Kwi ZvjyK`vii, gvbRvii bq| Avgiv
agKvB, mewKQy wbRi gZv PvjvZ PvB| wK gvbR KiZ cvwi bv|
dj wZbRbi GKUv Kvvwb nj cuvP eQii ga GUv Kgm Kg
PviUv Kvvwb nq hvq| 10 Rbi GKUv `j nq hvq wZbUv `j|
A_P BDivc-AvgwiKvq Zv bq| gvwbvkbvj Kvvwbjv
Avgv`i Kxfve kvlY KiQ Gi Lye Qv D`vniYM-vv| 30 eQi
AvM GUv ay M-vv wQjv, Zvici evivR IqjKvgi mv_ gvR nq
njv M-vv evivR IqjKvg| Zvici w_KvBbi mv_ gvR nq njv
M-vvw_KvBb| mviv `ywbqvZ GLb wUKvi GKPwUqv eemv Zv`i|
ce 2 \ mvdj

437

ZvjyK`vwi gbvfve gvwjKB mewKQz| Avi KcviU KvjPvi

mewKQyi Ea wmg| GB wmg ZLbB Wfjc Ki, bZZ I
eevcbvi Yvewj ZLbB weKwkZ nq hLb mNvqb nq| mNvqb Qvov,
mN Qvov gavi P~ov weKvk KLbv nq bv| Avgiv hLb mNi gvag
Avwg-K Avgivi ga jxb Ki `B ZLb kwi Avmj dyavivq,
wekvmi ci kwi h wZxq imLvb cek Kwi|
mNvqb gvbylK mykLj Ki| mvaviYfve Avgv`i AvPiY K_v ev
KvRi Ici Kvbv jvMvg _vK bv| wK mNi Ask nj Zvi
AvPiY, KvR I mgqi mywebvmvqb nq| m ^ZtZfveB eySZ
cvi, Avwg GB AvPiY KiZ cviev, Avi GB AvPiY KiZ cviev
bvGKUv my`i Kgcwqv mw nq|
`yRb gvbyl hLb HKe nq, ZLb Avj-vni ingZ Zv`i Ici
ewlZ nq| ZLb Zviv Avi `yBRb _vK bv, wZbRb nq| mNkwi
MvwYwZK wbqg LvU bv| A_vr 1+1=2 bq, ZLb 1+1=Kgc
3, KvqvUvg i 1+1=11| A_vr 11 Rb jvK wewfve hv KiZ
cvi mNe `yBRb Zvi Pq ewk KiZ cvie| KviY msLv kw
bq, kw njv GK PZbvq wekvm Ges mNeZvq|
mN memgq GKwU gnvb jK mvgb iL MwVZ nq| mgPZbvq
wekvmxiv hLb gnvb jK K` Ki msMwVZ nq mLvb wewfb gav,
hvMZv I Kg`Zvi weKvk NU| cZKi vbi cwiwa evoZ
_vK| GRbB eo wKQy KiZ nj memgq mNe nZ ne|
gnvgvbeiv mNi GB iZ Dcjw KiQb ejB mvabvi GKUv
chvq kl Zviv jvKvjq wdi mN MoQb| evwa jvfi ci kZ
kZ wfz wbq gnvgwZ ey MowQjb wfzmN| ey gi ZZxq evK
nQ, mNs kiYs MQvwg! ^vgx weeKvb` cwZv Kib ivgK wgkb|
VvKzi AbyKj P` Mob mrmN| bexRx (m) beyqZ jvfi AvMB
mgvRmevi Rb ZiY`i wbq MVb KiwQjb wnjdyj dzhyj| wZwb
ejQb, Zvgiv mNe _vKv, KviY mNi mv_ Avj-vni ingZ
_vK| nhiZ Igii (iv) mgq wekvj ivRZi 11wU c`ki Mfbii
ga mvZRbB wQjb nvewk xZ`vm| AwZ mvaviY gavi gvbylI
mNi mv_ m nIqvi ci h gavi Amvgvb weKvk NUvZ
cvib, bZZi MyYvewj ARb KiZ cvibGUvB Zvi cgvY|
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KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

`vb Kb?
ck : mv`vKv ev mev ev `vbi mv_ cvPzhi mK Kx? `vb Kb cvPzh
evovq?
Di : cvPzhi cm~i GKwU njv `vb| KviY, `vbi gvag hLb
m` ev A_ nvwiZ nq mvgwqK k~bZv mw nq, ZLb Zv c~iYi
Rb ^ZtZfveB A_i MwZkxjZv mw nq Ges A_vMg NU|
cvPzhi `vb cuvPfve f~wgKv cvjb Ki| c_gZ, `vb
DcvRbK Ki| KviY DcvRb KiZ wMq vZmvi ev AvZmvi
h Abvq nq, AwZib nq `vb m AbvqK KvUvq| wZxqZ, `vb
cvcgvPb Ki| ZZxqZ, `vb evjv-gywmeZ I ivM `~i Ki| PZz_Z,
`vb `vwi` wegvPb Ki I `vZvi Ai Zw c`vb Ki| cgZ, `vb
m` eiKZ `q|
`vb Kxfve elwqK mgw Avb Zvi GKwU NUbv ewYZ nqQ
gymwjg kixdGKevi GK jvK cvnvo nuU eovbvi mgq gNi
fZi _K AvIqvR bZ cjv h, AgyKi evMvb cvwb `vI|
wKQyY ciB ew i njv Ges cvwb cvnvoi cvk GKwU Sbv w`q
MovZ jvMjv| jvKwU KZ~njx nq H bvjvK AbymiY Kijv|
hZ hZ GK RvqMvq cuQ m `Ljv, RbK ew Kv`vj w`q
gvwU KU H cvwb Zvi evMvb XyKvQ| bvg wRm KiZB m PgK
DVjv| KviY GB bvgB m bwQjv Mvqwe AvIqvR| Zvi KvQ
RvbZ PvBjv h, m Kx Ggb cyYi KvR KiQ h, cKwZ Gfve
ZvK mnhvwMZv KiQ| m ZLb ejjv, Avwg G evMvbi dmjK wZb
fvM Kwi| GKfvM cwievii fiY-cvlYi Rb, GKfvM RwgZ
wewbqvMi Rb Ges evwK GKfvM `vbi Rb eq Kwi| GRbB
nqZv Avwg Gfve mnhvwMZv cvB|
`vbi AvwZK DcKvi cmI GKwU NUbv AvQ| GKevi Kvgj
eyRyM Rbyb wgmwi nR wMqQb| AvivdvZi gq`vb gvivKvevq em
wZwb bjb, G eQi mec_g nR Keyj nqQ Avng` AvkdvK bvg
`vgi RbK gywPi whwb nRB Avmb wb| b mvaK KZ~njx
ce 2 \ mvdj

441

njb| `vg wMq e LuvRvLywR Ki ZvK cjb| Zvi KvQ

bjb NUbv| gywP Lye mvgvb DcvRb Kib| msmvii LiP wgwUq hv
euvP Zv GKUz GKUz Ki Rwgq 40 eQi ai wZwb msMn KiwQjb
nR hvIqvi LiP| hvIqvi mewKQy hLb wVKVvK, w`bY `L hvv
Kieb fveQbGgb mgq NUjv GKwU NUbv| GKw`b Zvi QvU Qj
Kuv`Z Kuv`Z Gm Rvbvjv, AgyK cwZekxi evwoZ m wMqwQjv|
ivbvNi _K gvsm ivbvi M cq GKUz gvsm LZ PvIqvq mB
cwZekx gvsm Zv w`jvB bv, Dci ZvK ejjv mLvb _K Pj
hZ| b Avng` AvkdvK GKUz DwRZ njb| G Kgb K_v!
GBUzKz QjK mvgvb GKUz gvsm w`ZI KvcY! gywPi wPrKvi b
cwZekx MnKZv ewiq Gjv| ejjv, fvB, Avcbvi ivM nIqvUv
^vfvweK| evPvUvK Lvwj nvZ wdwiq w`Z AvgviI Kg Lvivc jvM
wb| wK Avwg wbicvq wQjvg| Rbb Avcbvi QjK Avwg giv
QvMji gvsm LZ w`Z cvwi wb| AvgvK gvd Kieb| Gevi Avng`
AvkdvKi AevK nIqvi cvjv| giv QvMj gvb Kx? me Lyj ej|
cwZekx ZLb ejjv, ek AbKw`b njvKvbv KvR hvMvo
KiZ cviwQ bv| Ni h Lvevi wQjv, Zv-I dzwiq hvIqvi ci _K
Qj-gq wbq MZ KqKw`b cvq AbvnviB AvwQ| Aekl wL`i
Rvjv mBZ bv ci AvR mKvj ei nqwQjvg wKQy RvU wK bv
`LZ| nVvr `Ljvg gvVi avi co AvQ GKUv giv QvMj| ZLbv
cPb ai wb| ZvB Qywi w`q LvwbKUv gvsm KU Gb xK w`q ejjvg
ivbv KiZ| ZLbB Avcbvi Qj Gjv| wK Avgiv bv nq zavi
Zvobvq giv QvMji gvsm LZ eva nwQ, Avcbvi QjK Zv Zv
LvIqvZ cvwi bv|
b Avng` AvkdvK `ytL-AbyZvc-mge`bvq wKQyY Kvbv
K_vB ejZ cvijb bv| Gici Zvi PvL dU cvwb Gjv|
cwZekxK Rwoq ai ejjb, fvB Avgvi! GZ K wbq Zzwg AvQv!
AvgvK Zv GKUz RvbvZ cviZ| `o Mjb evwoZ| GK SUKvq
Zzj wbjb UvKvi mB _jUv, 40 eQi ai hvZ wZwb RgvwQjb nR
hvIqvi im`| cwZekxi nvZ w`q ejjb, GB bvI Avgvi 40 eQii
mq| GUv w`q Kvbv eemv i Ki| nR hvIqvi PqI Zvgvi
`ytLgvPb Avgvi KvQ iZc~Y| fvM _vKj ci nR Kiev|
442

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

eve nR bv MjI mvi BQvq m eQi Zvi nRB Keyj njv

mec_g| A_vr cvPzh, Zv elwqK ev AvwZKDfq B `vbi
gvag mg nq| KviY m~iv mvevi 39 AvqvZ Avj-vn ejQb, Zzwg hv
`vb Kie Avwg Gi cwZ`vb AekB `ev|
m~iv evKvivi 274 AvqvZ ejv nqQ, hviv Zv`i DcvRb _K
w`b ev ivZ, cKvk ev Mvcb `vb Ki Zv`i Rb cyivi iqQ|
Zv`i Kvbv fq ev cikvwb _vKe bv|
ck : gvwUi evsK `vb Kij Kx aibi DcKvi nZ cvi?
Di : bexRx (m) Gi nv`xm njvm`Kv AKjvYi 70wU `iRv e
Ki `q| bK wbqZ gvwUi evsK hLbB Avcwb `vb KiQb
AKjvYi ev evjv-gywmeZi 70wU `iRv GgwbZB e nq hvQ|
1998 mvj i nq gvwUi evsK Kvhg| MZ 15 eQi gvwUi
evsK `vb Ki DcKZ nqQb AmsL gvbyl| DcKvii aibi Kvbv
kl bB| ivM wbivgq, Avw_K mgw, cviwiK mK Dbqb, wkvq
mvdjmeB AvQ GB ZvwjKvq! KqKwU NUbv GiKg
`yUv cvqB wU wbq KvbvWvZ RbwQjv GK MvRyqUi bvwZ|
Wvvi`i gZ hv `yivivM| bvwZi myZv Kvgbvq wZwb gvwUi evsK
wKQy A_ gvbZ Kijb Ges mBmv_ wbqwgZ KivZ jvMjb m`Kv
wnwjs| mevBK AevK Ki `ygvmi gaB wVK nq Mj evPvwUi `yUv
cv! mevaywbK nvmcvZvji Wvviiv hLvb nvj Qo w`qwQjb
mLvb cig KiYvgq `vbi eiKZ my Ki w`jb wkwUK| GLb
m ^vfvweKfve nuvUQ `ovQ ay bq, ZyLvo gavi KviY KvbvWvq
Zvi zji wUPviiv ZvK WvKb GUv AwWbvwiwj wRwbqvm eq bvg|
AvjUvmbvMvg me ^vfvweK `Lv MjI mvbmev wgmm
jvqjvK Wvvi evi evi wmRvi KivZ ejwQjv| wK wgmm jvqjv
bigvj Wwjfvwii wmv wbjb| meB wVK wQjv| wK f~wg nIqvi
mgq GKUz RwUjZv `Lv w`jv| Mjvq bvwo cuwPq evPv wKQyUv bg
MfbvjxZ AvUK _vKvq Zvi nvUweU cvIqv hvwQjv bv| me b ney
gv mv_ mv_ `vbi wbqZ Kijb| Aekl mvo Pvi Nv ci
Acvikb QvovB Rb wbjv my Kbv mvb|
ce 2 \ mvdj

443

AviK MvRyqUi evevi WvqvewUm aiv cojv| DwM cwiRbiv

wbqwgZ `vb KiZ jvMjb gvwUi evsK| Qq gvm ci Avevi gwWKj
PK-Avc Kivbv njv Ges wicvU `Lv Mj, Kvbv mgmv bB|
`wjj iwRwi KvR jkvb hvevi c_ `yB KvwU UvKv mgg~ji
`wjj, 16 j UvKvi c-AWvi I Abvb KvMRc fyj wmGbwRZ
dj bg hvb GK `wjj jLK| Rwg weZvi evwoZ wMq eySjb
wmGbwRZ me dj GmQb| mv_ mv_ `vbi wbqZ Kijb|
Awekvm evcvi! cuvP wgwbUi ga wmGbwR PvjK mB evwoi MU
Gm Zvi dvBjwU diZ w`q Mjb|
gqK KvwZ yj fwZ KivZ wbqwgZ `vb Ki hvwQjb GK
gv| jUvwii gvag evQvB Kiv ne Rb gvbZ Kijb| fwZ cixvq
22,000 Rb AskMnYKvixi ga bqv njv 240 RbK hvi ga Zvi
gq GKRb|
GK evm gvwjKi wZbwU evm PjvPj Ki XvKv kni| cvqB
evmjv GwWU KiZv, cywjk Km nZv| wZwb cwZwU evmi
WvBwfs wmUi cvk iL w`jb gvwUi evsK| WvBfvi`i ej w`jb,
cwZw`b c_g I kl wUci UvKv gvwUi evsK ivLZ| wKQyw`bi ga
wZi cwigvY 10/15 nvRvi UvKv _K bg Avm 2/1 nvRvi UvKvq|
Wyc- evmvi wmuwoi duvKv RvqMv w`q co wMqwQjv cwievii
Qv gqwU| mevB fq Kvbv i Kijv| GKRb eid AvbZ bv
AvbZB gq DV nuvUZ i Kijv| AvU dzU DPZv _K co
wMqI Zvi Kvbv nuvo fvO wb ev Kv_vI AvNvZ cvq wb| gqwUi
evev Rvbvjv, cwievii myivi Rb Zviv wbqwgZ `vb Kib|
kvixwiK Kvbv wU bv _vKvi ciI `xNw`b mvb nwQjv bv GK
`wZi| mvb jvfi wbqZ cwZw`b mKvj I weKj `vb KiZ
i Kijb| GLb dzUdzU `yB gq wbq Zv`i cwic~Y msmvi|
AviK MvRyqU wekwe`vjq _K c_g mvwii iRv Kivi ci
^vfvweKfveB PqwQjb wkK wnme hvM w`Z| wK gvgvi Rvi
ev ivRbwZK cfve bv _vKvq Lye GKUv Avkvev`x wQjb bv| ZeyI
Ave`b Kijb GB wbqZ Ki h, wbqvM cj c_g gvmi eZbi
GKUv Ask gvwUi evsK `vb Kieb| wewZ nq `Ljb cfvekvjx
(!) AbK cwZx`i wWwOq hvMZvi wfwZB wZwb wkK njb|
444

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

GfveB `vbi ^Zt~Z KjvYavivq nvRviv `vZvi Rxeb GmQ

ckvw, ivMgyw Avi mvdj| ZvB `vZv nvb| hv AvQ mLvb _KB
`vb Kib| cikvbx _vKe bv| evjvgywmeZ _K gy _vKeb|
mvdj-cvPzh Avme| `vZv`i bvgB BwZnvm _vK| hviv gvbylK
mgvRK `kK `qvi Rb Pv Kib ZvivB mdj nb, Agi nb|
ck : BwZnvm GKRb MnxZvi bvg AvQ| wZwb gnvgwZ ey| wfvew
bvwK c_g eag _K Avm| K_vwU wK wVK? Avwg bwQ wZwb ay
gvbyli KvQ _K `vb MnY KiZb|
Di : gnvgwZ ey hw` wfzK nq _vKb Zvnj evsjv`ki Pnviv
cv `qvi Rb Zuvi gZv wfzK GKRbB h_| wZwb wQjb
Kwcjvei ivRKzgvi| Rbi AvM RvwZlx fwelvYx KiwQjb h,
ivRcy MnZvMx ne| m K_v gv_vq iLB wcZv vab ZvK KLbv
agwPv ev Rxebi KiY eveZvi gyLvgywL nZ `b wb| Wyweq
iLwQjb wejvm-emb| GKw`b ivRKzgvi eovZ eivj wZb
ewi mv_ Zvi mvvr nq| c_g GKRb e, Zvici GKRb Amy
Ges kl GKRb gZK wZwb `LZ cvb| mwnm PbK G cm
wRm Kij Pb ZvK eywSq w`jb h, GwUB mKj gvbyli wbqwZ|
mB ivZB wmv_ Zvi Nyg x-cy-cwieviK wbtk we`vq Rvwbq
cvmv` ZvM Kib|
mvbvi PvgP hvi gyL wQjv, mg Avivg-Avqk ZvM Ki mZi
mvb whwb wmsnvmb Qo MnZvMx nqwQjb wZwb wfv MnY Kieb
Kx Rb? evwajvf Kivi ciI wmv_K ivRcvmv` wdwiq Avbvi
Rb ivRv Pv Kg Kib wb| mbvmx nIqvi ciI Zv ey evevi
KvQ PvBZ cviZb| Zvi wKmi Afve wQjv h, wZwb wfv Kieb?
Avmj wfz Avi wfzK GK bq| m mgq hviv me^ZvMx wQjb
Zv`i mvabvi wbqg wQjv, Avb Rvjvbv hve bv| w`bi wbw` mgq
Zviv cv nvZ ewiq coZb ivbv Kiv Lvevii LuvR| hv cZb
Zv-B LZb| hw` bv cZb, Zvnj LZb bv| Avmj GivB wQjb
wfz hviv mZi mvb, vbi mvb msmvii mg gvqv ZvM Ki
Avkg Rov nZb|
ce 2 \ mvdj

445

imyjyj-vn (m)-Gi hyMI gmwR` beexi cvk PZi wQjv| mLvb

hviv _vKZb Zv`i ejv nZv Avmnve myddv| PZi _K Zviv
eivZb bv| Kvb gyn~Z Kvb AvqvZ bvwRj nq, Kvb gyn~Z bexRx
(m) Kx ejbmme evYx gyL Ki djZb| Zv`i Ni-msmvi, AvqDcvRb wKQyB wQjv bv| KD wKQy w`j Zviv LZb| hw`b RyUZv bv,
mw`b LZbI bv| G`iK wK wfzK ejv hvq?
Avcwb wbRK DrmM Ki `Lybwmv wbb h, mvivY ay avbB
Kieb| KD wKQy w`j Lveb, bv w`j Lveb bvKZw`b cvieb?
GKw`b bv w`j, wZxq w`b gRvR Lvivc ne, ZZxq w`b Aev AviI
Lvivc ne| wK Gu`i GgbI mgq MQ h, w`bi ci w`b Lvb wb,
cU cv_i eua iLQb| KviY Giv wQjb mvaK, wfzK bq|
ck : Avgvi gvwmK Avq 30 nvRvi| Zvi ga _K 26 nvRvi UvKv
cyivcywi cwievii LiP Ges GK nvRvi UvKv mq Kwi Avi evwK wZb
nvRvi UvKv `vb Kwi| Gfve Avwg Z Ges ek fvjv AvwQ| wK
Avgvi cwievi _K `vb Kwgq mq evovZ ej| AvgvK mwVK
wb`kbv w`b|
Di : hZ Ai _K `vb Kieb, ZZ Avcbvi eiKZ evoZ _vKe|
G `vbi cwigvY bv Kwgq hw` LiPUvK wKQy KgvZ cvib
Zvnj fvjv| wK `vb Kgveb bv| gb ivLeb, `vb Kgvj
cwZ`vbI Kg hve| KviY mv mr `vbK Lye cQ` Kib Ges mr
`vbi Kgc 700 Y eiKZ wZwb w`q _vKb| AZGe Avcwb wVK
c_ AvQb| cwieviK evSvb| hw` me nq cvwievwiK LiP Kwgq
w`b| wK `vb Kgveb bv|
ck : gwWUkb Kij cvc q nq, `vb KijI cvcgvPb nq|
Kxfve cvc q nq Zv evLv Kib|
Di : Lye mnR| cvc Zv Avmj nq hvq| GUvK q Kivi Kvbv
Dcvq bB, cyYUvK evovZ ne| H cyY w`q cvc q ne| AZGe,
hLbB Avcwb gwWUkb KiQb, hLbB Avcwb `vb KiQbmrKg
446

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

nQ| mrKgi h cyY Zv Rgv nQ| Zvi dj cvci Zzjbvq cyYi

cwigvY evoQ| Gfve cvc q nq|
ck : AvR ch hZjv KvR gvwUi evsK UvKv iLwQ mejvZ
mdj nqwQ| KvRi AvM mvi KvQ cv_bv^ic GKevi UvKv ivwL,
KvR mdj nj Kwiqv^ic AviKevi ivwL| c_g c_g gvwUi
evsKK evKWUW evsK gb KiZvg| h KviY AbKw`b gvwUi
evsK ivwL wb| dj Gi mydj Ges gRv _K ewZ nqwQ|
Di : gvwUi evsK h AZ eiKwZ evsK, m evcvi m`n bB|
GZ `vZv I MnxZv `yRbiB KjvY nQ| whwb ivLQb Zvi KjvY
nQ Avi G UvKv w`q `y gvbyli KjvY nQ|
ck : Avwg 264 Zg Kvm mb Ki ciw`b kvwbMi ckvw nj
mvq cvMvg hvIqvi c_ gvivZK `yNUbvq AvnZ nB| mw`b mKvj
Nyg _K DV kvKi Avjnvg`ywjj-vn ej gvwUi evsK UvKv ivLjvg|
kvwbMi hvIqvi c_ KvqvUv fw Ki emwQjvg| gwWUkb ii
cvvj Kb GZ eo `yNUbv NUjv? m evcvi Avwg wewfb wPv KiwQ,
wmvnxbZvq fyMwQ, `qv Ki wKQy civgk w`b|
Di : hUvK Avcwb ejQb gvivZK `yNUbv Avmj wK mUv gvivZK?
Avcbvi `yNUbv nqQ deqvwii 12 ZvwiL| Avi AvR gvPi 5
ZvwiL| AvR Avcwb cv Rvjvwj Abyvb GmQb Ges G wPwV
wjLQb| GUvB cgvY Ki h, Avcbvi AbK eo wec` KU MQ|
KviY hUvK gvivZK `yNUbv ejQbmUv hw` mwZB gvivZK nZv
Zvnj Zv AvR Avcbvi GLvb _vKvi K_v wQjv bv| cy nq
nvmcvZvj _vKZb|
Avmj AbK mgq AbK eo wec` Ai Ici w`q Avj-vn Zvqvjv
KvwUq `b| Avcbvi I Zv-B nqQ| kvKi Avjnvg`ywjj-vn
ejwQjb Ges gvwUi evsK UvKv iLwQjb ejB Avj-vn AvcbvK
GB ingZ KiQb| Avcwb memgq Kwiqv Av`vq Kieb Ges
dvDkbi KvhgjvZ GKvZ _vKvi Pv Kieb|
ce 2 \ mvdj

447

ck : AbK bvgvR Ges Bmjvwg AvBb mwVKfve cvjb Ki bv, wK

KvqvUvg gvwUi evsK `vb Ki djI cvq| gvwUi evsK wbqZ Ki
UvKv c`vb Ki dj cvIqv wK Bmjvwg `wfwZ evLv Kieb?
Di : GUv Zv mnR welq| bvgvR bv cov ev Bmjvwg AvBb bv gvbvi
Rb Zvi kvw nZ cvi| G kvw Acv KiQ cieZx Rxebi
Rb| Zvi AvM ch AvcbvK ^vaxbZv w`q `qv nqQ|
ZviciI Zv wbfi KiQ Avj-vni BQvi Ici| wZwb kvw hgb
w`Z cvib, PvBj gvdI Ki w`Z cvib| bvgvR bv covi Rb wK
Avj-vn Zvqvjv `ywbqvZ KvDK NvlYv w`q kvw w`qQb h, Zzwg
bvgvR co bv, GRb Zvgvi GB kvw?
Avi `vbi cwZ`vb Avj-vn Zvqvjv `eb ejQb| `vbi GB
kZ^ic Dwb Kv_vI ejb wb h, `vb Kivi ci bvgvR coZ ne,
ivRv ivLZ ne| Zvnj Avwg cwZ`vb `ev| KviAvb kixdi
Kv_vI wK GiKg wKQy cveb? cveb bv| A_vr Avcwb h fvjv KvR
Kieb, Avj-vn Zvqvjv Zvi cwZ`vb `eb| `vb Ki GB DcKvii
mv_ bvgvR ev Bmjvwg AvBb ev kwiqvi Kvbv mswk-Zv bB|
hgb, gvwUi evsK wbqZ Ki `vb KiQb Ggb AbK mbvZb
agvej^x, wL Ges e agvej^x AvQb| Zviv DcKZ nQb Kb?
KviY `vbi cwZ`vb `qvi Iqv`v Avj-vn ^qs KiQb| Kv_vI GB
cwZ`vbi Ab Kvbv kZ `b wb|
Avi AviKRb bvgvR coQ bv wK gvwUi evsK `vb Ki Kb
DcKvi cveGUv wbq Avcbvi gv_ve_v Kb? DcKvi Zv w`Qb
Avj-vn| AvcbviUv _K Zv w`Qb bv, Avj-vn Zuvi fvvi _K
w`Qb| Ggb nZv h, AvcbviUv wbq Avj-vn ZvK w`q w`qQb, Zv
Zv bv| GUv GK aibi Clv| GB Clv nQ ^Zt~Z mvdji
Aivq| KviY nv`xm AvQAvb hgb LoKzUvK cywoq QvB Ki
`q, ClvI Zgwb mg mrKgK asm Ki `q| AZGe AviKRb
fvjv AvQ `L Avcwb fvjv eva KiQb bvwbRK memgq GB
Clv Ges wnsmv _K gy ivLeb| GZ Avcwb ckvwZ _vKeb|
ck ne Avcbvi KjvY I mvdji c_I|
448

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

`vb wK ay abxivB Kie?

ck : Avwg GKRb Qv| nzj Bev` gvwUi evsK mevBK `vb KiZ
ejv nq Kb? `vb Zv Kie abxiv| QvZ kl Ki hLb Avw_K
mQjZv ARb Kiev, ZLb bv `vb Kivi K_v DVe|
Di : Avmj GLvb `vbi evcvi `yUv fyj aviYv KvR KiQ|
c_gwU njv`vb ay abxivB Kie| m~iv evKvivi c_g wZb AvqvZ
ejv nqQG wKZvei evcvi Kvbv m`n bB, GwU mv
mPZb`i c_ c`kK| hviv Mvqe wekvm Ki, mvjvZ Kvqg Ki
Ges c` wiwRK nZ mrc_ eq Ki A_vr `vb Ki| GLvb `vbK
mv mPZb`i Acwinvh Ask wnme ejv nQ Ges Zv ay abx`i
Rb bq| eis wbR wbR mvg_ Abyyhvqx abx-Mwie mevi RbB|
cmZ GLvb wiwRK ejZ ay Lvevi bq, eis A_ gav kgmewKQyB
Afy| dj `vbI ay A_ ev Lvevi bq eis gav kg mgq mev
mewKQy weZiYi gvagB nZ cvi|
Avi wZxq fyj aviYvwU njvAvgiv gb Kwi, hLb AbK A_Kwoi
gvwjK nev ZLb GKUv gmwR` evbvev, GwZgLvbv evbvev ev eo
Kvbv mevg~jK KvR Kiev| wK eveZv nQhLb mvg_ nq,
ZLb AwaKvsk B Gme gnr cwiKbv evevqbi Kvbv BQv
_vK bv| dj eo wKQy Kivi Kbv KiZ KiZB Avgiv mgq cvi
Ki `B, eo wKQy Avi Kiv nq bv|
eo `vb Kivi myhvM hLb Avme ZLb AekB eo eo mevg~jK
D`vM beb| wK m myhvM Avmvi AvMB mNefve QvU QvU
`vb w`q Avgiv eo eo mevg~jK KvR KiZ cvwi| Avi G DkB
KvqvUvg gvwUi evsK| GLvb abx Mwie Qv ckvRxex Mnea~
wbwekl mevB Lye mvgvb cwigvY A_I wbqwgZ `qvi gvag `vbi
eiKZ jvf KiZ cvib| kvkZ agi wkv GwUB|
ck : hviv QvAvqi Kvbv Drm bB, Zviv Kxfve `vb Kie?
Di : hw` Avw_K `vb nq, Zvnj nvZLiPi UvKv _K `vb KiZ
ne| m hw` `vb Ki Zvnj GUv Zvi Rb AZ KjvYKi ne|
ce 2 \ mvdj

449

bexRx (m) ejQb, GKUv LRyi hw` _vK Zvnj LRyii GKUv Ask
njI `vb Ki| Avmj Qv nvK ev h-B nvK, Ggb KD bB hvi
nvZLiP bB, h LiP Ki bv| cZK LiP KiQ, wbRi Avq bv
_vKjI LiP KiQ| AZGe, mLvb _K `vb KiZ ne|
`yb^i nQ, `vb ejZ ay A_ evSvq bv| ay A_ `vb KiZ ne
Zv bq| GKUz fKvgbv, my`i eenvi, GKUv mycivgk, cw_KK
mvnvh Kiv wKsev c_ _K Kjvi Lvmv mwiq djvG meB nZ
cvi `vb| DcvRbi AvMI Avcwb `vZv nZ cvib G mevi gvag|

`vb \ KvK, Kxfve

ck : `vb Zv AbK `Lvbvi Rb ev bvgi RbI Ki| GiKg
`vb _K wK eiKZ cvIqv hve?
Di : h `vb jvK `Lvbv, hv gvbyli cksmv ev evnev Kzovbvi
Rb, `vZvi cwiPq ev ^v_ nvwmji Dk Kiv nq, Zv mr `vb bq|
`vb Ki MnxZvK LuvUv `qv, AmnvqZi myhvM wbq kvlY Kiv
`vbi eiKZK b Ki|
`vbi wewbgq MnxZvi KvQ _K hw` Kvbv myhvM, AvbyKj,
mgxn ev eMZ cvwGgbwK GKUz Avcvqb ev abev`I cZvkv Kiv
nq, Ze Zv h_v_ `vb bq| KviAvb ejv nqQ, hviv Avj-vni mwi
Rb `vb Ki I Zv Mvcb ivL Ges MnxZvK GRb LuvUv I K
`q bvZviv cyiZ ne| Zv`i Kvbv fq I `ytL-K _vKe bv|
(m~iv evKviv : 263)
ck : mvjvwg ev eKwkk wK `vb, nvUji wUcm wK `vb?
Di : bv, GUv cwZ`vb| KviY GKRb AvcbvK mev KiQ, Avcwb
ZvK wUcm w`Qb| GUv `vb bq, cwZ`vb| Avi AwaKvsk mgq wUcm
Avcwb Kx Rb `bGZ eo nvUj Ljb, wUcm bv w`j Kx gb
Kie GRb wUcm `b| A_ev Avcwb h KZ eojvKGUv `Lvbvi
RbI Avcwb wUcm `b| KvRB mvjvwg ev eKwkk `vb bq|
450

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

ck : wbt^v_ `vb Kiv Ges wbqZ/ gvbZ Ki `vb Kivi ga cv_K

Kx? gvbZ Ki `vb KivUv ^v_vvii AvIZvq co wK?
Di : Avmj, wbt^v_ Ges wbtkZ`yUvi ga ZdvZ AvQ| GKUv
nQ ^v_nxb, AviKUv kZnxb| wbt^v_ `vb ejZ Avgiv eywS hvK
`vb Kiv nQ Zvi KvQ _K Kvbv cwZ`vb cZvkv bv Kiv| hLb
gvbZ/ wbqZ KiQb, ZLb wK hvK `vb KiQb Zvi KvQ _K
Kvbv aibi cwZ`vb cZvkv KiQb bv| G cZvkv nQ mvi KvQ|
KviY, wbqZ/ gvbZ c~iY Kivi h AwaKvi kw gZvG ay mvi
iqQ, Ab Kviv bB| hnZz hvK `vb Kiv nQ Zvi KvQ _K
cwZ`vb cZvkv Kiv nQ bv, cZvkv Kiv nQ mvi KvQ _KZvB
GUv wbt^v_| Avi mv G evcvi wbRI AxKvive| wZwb wbRB
AxKvi KiQb h, Zvgiv `vb Ki, Avwg Gi cwZ`vb `ev| Avwg
Zvgv`i KjvY Kiev, gj Kiev| AZGe, KjvY Kvgbv Ki hLb
Avcwb wbqZ/ gvbZ KiQbGi ga `vli wKQy bB|
AviKUv `vb nQ wbtkZ| cfy, `vb Kiev Zvgvi Rb| Zzwg Lywk
nemRb Avwg `vb KiwQ| ay mvi mwi Rb| wbRi Kvbv
gj Kvgbv bv Ki h `vbGUv wbtm`n mevg `vb| wK gvbZ
Ki `vb KivUvI PgrKvi GKwU `vb| KviY, mv PvIqvUvK cQ`
Kib| hKvbv PvIqvi Rb wewbgq `qv memgqB fvjv| KvRB
GB wewbgqi ga `vli wKQyB bB, GUvI Dg `vb|
ck : hLb KvbvwKQyi gvbZ Ki gvwUi evsK UvKv ivwL, ZLb hw`
gb gb ewj, GB gvwUi evsKi KviY Avgvi gvbZ c~iY ne| Zvnj
wK bvn ne bv? KviY gvbZ c~iYi kw Kejgv Avj-vni nvZ|
Di : cv_bvUv Lye mnR| n Avj-vn! Zvgvi AenwjZ ewZ ev`v`i
Rb Zzwg `vb KiZ ejQv, Avwg Zvgvi mwi Rb `vb KiwQ,
Zzwg Avgvi gj Ki, Avgvi DcKvi Ki| KviY Zzwg mg `vbi
cwZ`vb `eGB Iqv`v Zzwg KiQv|
Avi GZwKQy ejviI `iKvi bB| Avj-vn me `LQb Ges me
bQb| Avj-vn! Zzwg Avgvi me mgmv `~i Ki `vIGUv msc
ce 2 \ mvdj

451

fvejB Pje| memgq gb ivLeb, Avcwb hv wPv KiQb GUv

Avcbvi cfyI GKBfve eySZ cviQb| ZvK AZ Lvjvmv Ki fO
ejvi Kvbv `iKvi bB|
ck : evRvi GLb AbK Rvj ev bKj UvKvi bvU AvQ Ges AvmQ|
Avgvi KvQI GKUv 500 UvKvi bvU GmwQjv| Avwg AbK wPvi
ci mB bKj bvU gvwUi evsK `vb Kwi| Avwg wK wVK Kijvg?
AbyMn Ki Rvbveb|
Di : DcKviUvI hw` bKj nq ZLb Kx Kieb? KviY Avj-vn Zvqvjv
Avcbvi Ai `Lb| hUv Kv_vI Pje bv mUv Avcwb gvwUi evsK
ivLjb| gvwUi evsK fvOv njv| Avcbvi bvg gvwb wiwmU KvUv nq
Mj| wK evsK GB bKj bvU wbq hvIqvi Kvbv myhvM bB| GUv
aiv coeB| ZvB Rbb KLbv bKj bvU `vb Kieb bv| wQuo
dj `eb| hvZ AviKRb cZvwiZ bv nb| Avcwb hLbB GUv wQuo
djeb ZLbB GUv mv`vKv nq hve Avj-vni KvQ| Avj-vn `LQb
h, Avcwb KvDK cZvwiZ Kijb bv| KvDK VKvjb bv| wZwb
Avcbvi GB mrKgi cwZ`vb `eb|
ck : hvKvZ wK `vbi chvq co? hvKvZ bv w`j Kx Amyweav? hvKvZ
wKfve w`j Zv mwVKfve Av`vq Kiv hvq?
Di : hvKvZ `vb bq, hvKvZ nQ diR| A_vr HwQK bq, mvg_
_vKj hvKvZ w`ZB ne| wbRi cqvRb gUvbvi ci eZgvb wnmve
85 Mvg mvbv ev 595 Mvg icv ev mgcwigvY A_ (74 nvRvi UvKv)
GK Pv` eQi Rgv _vKj my cveq gymjgvbi Ici hvKvZ diR|
GKK_vq eQi kl Avcbvi KvQ mvbv-icv, UvKvcqmv, mqc me
wgwjq 74 nvRvi UvKvi m` _vKj hvKvZ diR ne|
hvKvZ hnZz diR, ZvB mwVKfve hvKvZ Av`vq bv Kij cyiv
m`B Avcbvi Rb nvivg nq hve| Avi hvKvZ w`j m` nvjvj
nIqvi cvkvcvwk Zv evoZ _vK| ZvB hvKvZ`vZv nIqvi myhvM
Avbw`ZwP MnY Kib Ges `vwi` wegvPbi j mNefve
hvKvZ Av`vq Kib| Avcbvi m` gvMZ evoZ _vKe|
452

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

ck : gymwjgiv Agymwjg`i `vb Kiv Rvqh| wK Agymwjgiv

gymwjg`i mvnvh/ `vb Kij Zv gymwjg`i MnY Kiv wK Rvqh/ ea?
nj Kx Rb ne? m evcvi KviAvb nv`xm Kx ej?
Di : Avgv`i `k hviv PvjvQb Zv`i wRm Kib| GB h
we`k _K hZ mvnvh AvmQ, FY AvmQGjv wK gymjgvb`i
KvQ _K AvmQ? Avmj Avgiv RxebUvK Lye msKxYfve `wL|
A_bwZK-mvgvwRK evcvi gymwjg-Agymwjg wPv KivUvB nQ
evKvwg| GKwU iv me agi jvK _vK| Zviv cii wgjwgk
kvwZ _vKe| hvi hvi ag cvjb Kie| fvjv KvR mvnvh Kie,
Abvq KvR _K cii ciiK weiZ ivLe| GUvB bexRxi (m)
wkv| bexRx (m) g`xbvZ iv cwZv Kijb Ges wZwb ivcavb
njb| hv`i wbq wZwb iv MVb Kijbh PvUvi wQjv, hvK g`xbv
PvUvi ejv nq mLvb gymjgvbiv wQjv GK-ZZxqvsk A_vr msLvjNy|
mLvb Avw_K-mvgvwRK Kvbv jb`b Zv KLbv mgmv nq wb| eo
eo mvnvexiv Bw``i mv_ jb`b KiQb|
bexRx Zv Bw`i evwoZ `vIqvZ MnY KiQb, LvIqv-`vIqv
KiQb| wZwb Zv ck Zvjb wb h, Bw`i evwoZ hvIqv hve bv,
wLvb`i evwoZ hvIqv hve bv| bexRxi KvQ wK Agymwjgiv Avmb
wb? Zviv wK gngvb nb wb?
AZGe, mvgvwRK Ges ivxq evcvi bexRxi wkv Lye my|
g`xbv mb` cZKi agcvjbi AjNbxq AwaKviK ^xKvi Kiv
nqwQjv| Zviv GK ivi Awaevmx wnme mg-AwaKvimb bvMwiK
wnme mLvb emevm KiQb| eis imyjyj-vn (m)-Gi bZZvaxb m
iv gymjgvbivB wQjb msLvjNy| AZGe A_bwZK jb`b,
mvgvwRK KvRKgi evcvi gymwjg Agymwjg cm GKeviB Aevi|
ck : KvqvUvg gvwUi evsKi UvKv Ab Kv_vI `vb Kiv hve wK bv|
Di : gvwUi evsKUv Zv KvqvUvg dvDkbi Ges Avcwb GLvb
`qvi wbqZB UvKv ivLQb| Zvnj Ab Kv_vI GUv Kxfve `qv
hve? Ab Kv_vI `qvi ^vaxbZv Avcbvi AvQwK gvwUi evsK
ce 2 \ mvdj

453

ivLvi ci G UvKvi nK`vi dvDkb| memgq gb ivLeb, xi Rb

h UvKv ivLeb, mUv xi RbB| GUvZ Ab KvDK fvM `eb bv|
mUv hZ fvjvi RbB nvK bv Kb|
Avi gvwUi evsKi UvKv dvDkb `qvi Pq fvjv RvqMv
Avcwb Kv_vI cveb bv| G UvKv gvbylK AvjvwKZ Kivi Rb,
gvbyli KjvYi Rb cwiKwZ I mNefve eq Kiv nq| hnZz
GwU h_ KvR, hZ UvKv Rov nQ mg UvKvi mIqve Avgiv mevB
cvwQ| A_vr eQi hw` cuvP KvwU ev 10 KvwU UvKv Avm, mB 5/10
KvwU UvKv `vbi mIqve Avgiv cZK cvwQ| Avi gvwUi evsKi
UvKv w`q h KvRjv Avgiv KiwQ, Zvi AwaKvsk nQ m`Kvq
Rvwiqv| hvi dj GB `vbi c~Y mIqve gZzi ciI Avcwb cZ
_vKeb| ZvB gvwUi evsK wbR `vb Kieb Ges ez-eve,
AvZxq^Rb mevBK wbqwgZ `vb KiZ DrmvwnZ Kieb|

`vb hLb wfv

ck : wfzK`i wfv `qv wK mr `vbi ga co?
Di : bexRx (m) wfvewK memgq wbirmvwnZ KiQb| AfveM
Ges wfzK wK GK bq| Avmj Bmjvgmn Abvb mKj ag `vb
Ges Zvi gvnvZ mK h K_v ejv nqQ, Avgv`i mgvR cPwjZ
wfveemv KvbvfveB Zvi AvIZvq co bv| mvvwnK 2000, `wbK
hvqhvqw`b I `wbK BdvKi Abymvbx cwZe`b DV GmQ G
msv wKQy PvjKi Z_|
wfveemvqx bUIqvK wkivbvgi GKwU cwZe`b ejv nq,
wfzK`i wNi BZvga Mo DVQ GK wekvj bUIqvK| G
bUIqvK wbqY KiQ ckv`vi wfzK-MWdv`viiv| ivRbwZK
QQvqvq _K ZvivB cwiPvjbv KiQ ivRavbxi wfvwfwK
eemvK| wfzK-MWdv`viiv mviv`k _K wfzK msMn Ki wfvi
bvbv Kkj wkwLq Zv`i Qo w`Q ivRavbxi wewfb U|
mvaviYfve 100 UvKvq 50 UvKv, KLbv KLbv 40/45 UvKv cvq
wfzKiv, evwKUv Pj hvq wfzK-MWdv`vi`i cKU|
454

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

wfvewZ XvKv kni eQi cvq 30 KvwU UvKv Avq Ki mNe

wfzKi `j| G`i cwZw`bi Avq Mo 250 _K 300 UvKv|
gvwmK Avq bq nvRvi UvKv Ges eQi Avq GK jvL UvKvi Ici|
Gi ga `wbK BdvK cKvwkZ nq KqKRb ckv`vi wfzKi
wejvmej Rxebhvcbi K_v| GKRb wfzK Rwgi Avjx, Zvi Rwg
AvQ 35 weNv| wfvi UvKv Rwgq cwZeQi iscyi Zvi Mvgi evwoZ
GK weNv Ki Rwg Kbb| Qj-gq`i Rbw`b cvVvb XvKvi
AwfRvZ KbdKkbvwii KK| 12wU eweUvw I `yBwU gvBvevmi
gvwjK wfzK Rvjvj gvj-vi gvwmK Avq 60 nvRvi UvKv| Mvgi
evwoZ Zvi `vZjv wewsqi bvg w`qQb gymvwdiLvbv| wfzK Kig
Avjx kLi AvQ my`i eemv| kni wfzK mR wfv KijI Mvg
iqQ Zvi Avwjkvb evwo, cvBfU wiKkv| wiKkvIqvjvi eZbB `b
gvm AvovB nvRvi UvKv| (`wbK BdvK, 13.01.2007)
wfvewi GKvwaK KjvKkj QvovI KLbv KLbv wfzKiv nq
IV AvZ| GKkYxi gv`Kmex wfzK nvZ e-W wbq fq `wLq
wiKkv wKsev eweUvw hvx`i KvQ _K UvKv Av`vq Ki| gvS
gvS wQbZvBI Ki| AviK`j wfvi bvg gjg~ wQwUq `qvi fq
`wLq A_ Av`vq Ki c_Pvix ev wiKkvhvx`i KvQ _K| wfvq
Aviv ewk Avqi Rb cy ev weKjv nZ Wvvii KvQI aibv `q
G`i KD KD|
wewfb Leii KvMRi G wicvUjv covi ci GLb Avcwb wmv
wbb wfzK`i wfv `qv mr `vbi ga co wK bv|
ck : evsjv`ki cvcU Pjgvb wfvew Kxfve `~i Kiv hvq?
wfvew ei evcvi Avgvi KiYxq Kx nIqv DwPZ?
Di : Avcbvi KiYxq Lye mnR| Avcwb wbR ^vej^x nvb| Avcwb
wfv PvBebI bv, wfv `ebI bv| c_g wbRK ^vej^x nZ ne|
Avi hLb `vb KiZ BQ ne, mNe `vbi h myhvM iqQ mB
myhvMK MnY Kieb| ZvnjB GK _K `yB, `yB _K Pvi, Gfve
mw ne ^vej^bi myhvM|
ce 2 \ mvdj

455

ck : m~iv `vnvZ mvnvhcv_xK wZivi bv KiZ wb`k `qv nqQ|

A_P Avgiv c_ PjZ AwaKvsk mvnvhcv_x ev wfzKK wdwiq `qv
KZe ej gb Kwi| G wb`ki mg^q Kxfve ne?
Di : Avmj Avgiv Lye mnRfve welqwUK `LZ cvwiGKRb
wecb gvbyl wec`M nq mvnvh PvQ| m nQ mvnvhcv_x|
AviKRb gvbyl mvnvh PvIqvi bvg cZviYv KiQ`yRbi ga wK
cv_K iqQ| GK f`gwnjv GKw`b Gm ejjb, iRx, gvS gvS
Zv wKQy wfzK`i `Lj gbUv Lvivc jvM, Avwg wK ZLb wfv w`Z
cvwi? Avwg ejjvg, wVK AvQ, `eb| Amyweav Kx?
KqKw`b ci Zvi GKUv wPwV cjvg| wPwVUv GiKg, GKw`b mKvj
wZwb nuvUZ ewiqwQjb avbgw jK| nuvUZ nuvUZ GK RvqMvq
`Ljb GK Aeqmx gv Lye RxYkxY GKwU evPvK Kvj wbq gwjb
gyL em AvQ| f`gwnjvi Lye gvqv njv| gqwUK ekwKQy
UvKvcqmv w`jb|
NUbvP mw`bB Avevi GKUv KvR `ycyiejv ZvK AvmZ njv
H RvqMvq| Gm h `k `Ljb ZvZ wZwb wewZ| mKvjejvi mB
gwjb Pnvivi gqwU AviK gwnjvi mv_ Lye Rwgq M KiQ| Zvi
Kvj evPvUv bB| bB Avkcvk Kv_vI| wK evPvwU h eqmi ev
Zvi kixii hv Aev, ZvZ G mgq GKRb Mnnxb gvqi Kvj Qvov
Ab Kv_vI Zvi _vKvi K_v bq| Zvi gvb evPvwU Avmj GB gqiB
bq| wfv Kivi Rb fvovq cvIqv GK nZfvM wkgv| Avi GB
gqwUI GKRb ckv`vi wfzK| mNe wfzK Pi m`m wnme
m G GjvKvq wfv Ki|
GZme `L f`gwnjv wbRB evKv eb Mjb| Zvi AveMi
myhvMK KD Gfve KvR jvwMqQ fe wbRK cZvwiZ gb
Kijb| ZLb wZwb eySjb Kb wfzK`i wfv w`Z wbirmvwnZ Kiv
nq| A_vr mwZKvii wecbK mvnvh Kiv fvjv KvR| wK mvnvh
Kivi bvg cZvwiZ nIqvUv AvnvwK Qvov wKQy bq|
ck : UvwdK wmMbvj `uvwoq _vKv wfzK`i `vb Kiv KZUv
hywmZ? cwZw`b GKB jvKK G mg UvwdK wmMbvj `Lv hvq|
456

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Di : GKB evcvi| GKRb Zvi AwfZv ejwQjbGKevi ivRvq

BdZvii ek AvM Avwg weRq miwY wmMbvjUv cvi nev| GK
gaeqmx gwnjv wfzKI cvi ne| Lye gvqv nwQjv KviY Zvi GKUv
cv bB, vP fi w`q K Ki nuvUQ|
Avwg Zvi ek cQb, Avi m LvwbKUv AvM| Gi gaB `wL
Dvw`Ki wmMbvjUv nVvr Qo w`qQ| evm `L Avwg wcQy mi
Gjvg| Avi mvgb ZvwKq `wL gwnjv vP nvZ wbq `o ivv cvi
nQ! Avwg Rvi nm djwQjvg| mB gwnjvK ciI `LwQ vP
wbq wfv KiZ| G`i wfv w`q Avcwb wfveemvK DrmvwnZ
KiQb| mvnvh Kivi bvg wkKvi nQb cZviYvi|
ck : KD KD evwoZ Avm mvnvhi Rb| hgb, gqi weqi
mvnvh wKsev wPwKrmvi RbG `vb wK Kiv hve?
Di : hw` Avcwb Rvbb, AvmjB m `y, Zvi gqi weqi Rb
mvnvhi `iKvi, Zvnj `eb|
ck : Avgvi evmvq GKwU gvwUi evsK AvQ| Avgvi gv-evev gvwUi
evsK UvKv ivLb| wK Avgvi evev gvwUi evsK `vbi cvkvcvwk
wfzK`iKI UvKvcqmv `b| Avwg G evcvi AbK ejwQ| Avwg
PvB wZwb wfzK`i bv w`q gvwUi evsK `vb Kib| Kxfve ejev?
Di : evev w`Z PvBj Zv Avi Avcwb ZvK evav w`Z cvieb bv|
Avi mUv wVKI ne bv| Ze ZvK evSvZ cvib| Avi G
wbPi LeiwU nqZv Avcbvi Rb mnvqK nZ cvi
Avmj ckv`vi wfzK`i wbq MZ 20 eQi aiB ej AvmQ
KvqvUvg| wewfb mgq RvZxq `wbKi wKQy Abymvbx cwZe`b
`Lv hvq ZviB cwZdjb| 2011 mvji RyjvBZ Kvji K cKvwkZ
nqwQjv ZgbB GK cwZe`b
MZKvj mvgevi mKvj| AvwRgcyi Keivb GjvKv| keeivZ
mvivivZ LqivZ msMn kl PviRb wfyK divi cwZ wbwQjb|
mevi evwo KzwoMvg| mevB GKm wfv KiQb| PviRb wgj UvKv
ce 2 \ mvdj

457

cqQb 18 nvRvi 752| meB 10 UvKv, 5 UvKv Avi 2 UvKvi bvU|

GLb PjQ fvMevUvqviv| UvKvi m cqQb 30 KwRi gZv nvjyqv
I ek cwigvY iwU, 16-17 cvKU wewiqvwb| Zv`i x-QjgqivI Nyi ewoq wfv KiQ| mevi UvKv GKm gjvbv ne|
GB wfzK`i m K_v ej Rvbv hvq, x-mvbiv evmvq evmvq
wMq nvjyqv, iwU I gvsm msMn KiQ| fviB Zviv 30 KwR nvjyqv
wew Ki w`qQ| MveZjx GjvKvi GK nvUj gvwjK Zv`i KvQ
_K GB nvjyqv wKb wbqQb 30 UvKv KwR wnmve| hjv wew
ne bv, evwoZ wbq weklfve AbKw`b ivLv ne| K_v ej Rvbv
hvq, wgicyi GjvKvi KqKRb nvUj gvwjK AvQb hviv (KgPvix`i
gvag) cwZeQiB AvwRgcyi Keivbi mvgb Gm wfzK`i KvQ
_K nvjyqv wKb bb|
Pvi wfzKi GKRb AvRgZ kL Rvbvb, ivRavbxi AvwRgcyi ev
nvBKvUh GjvKvZB nvK bv Kb, keeivZi AvMi w`b Gm
Zv`i RvqMv wKb hZ nq| Gevi Zviv GK ivZi Rb wZb nvRvi
UvKv w`q AvwRgcyii `ywU U wKbQb| Zv`i AviKwU `j wfv
KiQ Pvqbv wewsqi mvgb| AvwRgcyi eUZjv, Keivb GjvKv,
wbD cb ivWi KqKRb mvmx I Keivbi KqKRb Kgx GB
U wewi eemv Ki| GB UvKvi GKwU Ask cywjkI cvq| UvKv bv
w`j Zv`i emZ `qv nq bv|
Pvi wfyKi AviKRb wbqvgZ Rvbvb, Zviv KzwoMvg _K UvK
Ki AvwRgcyi GmQb| keeivZ I ivRvK mvgb iL GKwU
cwienb P Zv`i Avbv-bqvi KvR Ki| Zv`i h UvK Ki Avbv
nq, mB UvK iscyi eov kicyi Pv`vBKvbv wmivRM Ges UvvBj
_KI wfzK Zvjv nq| Zv`i KvQ _K RbcwZ `o nvRvi UvKv
Ki fvov bqv nqQ Avmv I hvIqvi Rb| Zviv mevB ivRvi C`i
ci Avevi wdi hveb| Gi AvM ch XvKvZB _vKeb| mviv`k
_K wfzKiv GfveB Avmv-hvIqv Ki ej wbqvgZ Rvbvb|
keeivZ AvwRgcyi, evqZyj gvKviig, wgicyi I nvBKvU gvRvi
ev ebvbx Keivb LqivZcv_x wfzK`i nvU em| cywjki gZ,
Gmgq XvKvq Kgc 50 nvRvi wfzK Avm XvKvi evBi _K|
gqgbwmsni gyvMvQv _K GmQb Rvgvj wgqv| eqm GLb 56|
458

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

wZwb ejb, Avgiv wmRbvj dwKi| 12 gvm wfv Kwi bv| wekl wekl
w`bjvZ Avwm| ivRv Avi keeivZ Avgv`i fvjv wmRb| Gici
GKeQi Pj fvjvgZvB| ZviciI hv Kwi HUvi IfviUvBg ejv
hvq| eQi LvIqv LiP ev` w`q Avgv`i GKKRbi `yB _K AvovB
jvL UvKv _vK|
AvU/ bq eQi eqm UvBdqW nqwQjv Rvgvj wgqvi| Gici
_KB cy| cwievii Aev fvjv bv| Avi Kvbv KvRI KiZ bv
cvivq 10 eQi eqm _K Rvgvj wfvew eQ bb| GKchvq
UvvBj, Rvgvjcyi I wmivRMi Aviv mvZRb cy wfzKi m Zvi
cwiPq nq| ZLb mevB wgj cuvP m`mi GKwU `j MVb Kib|
Gici _KB PjQ Zv`i GB h_ wfvew| GLb Zv`i cuvP
m`miB nvZ chv UvKv AvQ| evwoZI mevB Ni KiQb| Zvi Ni
wUbkWi| weq KiQb| mvb AvQ| `yB gq GK Qj| RwgI
wKbQb GjvKvq| Mi wKbQb PviwU|
AvwRgcyi cvBc KviLvbvi mvgb Kvji Ici KviAvb kixd
iL weoweo Ki k KiwQjb GK wfzK| bvg mywdqv eMg| eqm
eoRvi 30 eQi| ^ Avjv, GB AvjvZ jLv PvL `Lvi K_v
bq| Zvi KvQ wMq Rvi k Ki KviAvb coZ ejv nj c_g
mywdqv Nveo hvb| kl ch wZwb ^xKvi Kib, wZwb KviAvb coZ
cvib bv| gvbyli mnvbyf~wZ cvIqvi Rb wZwb m KviAvb iL
c_Pvix`i `w AvKlY Kib| mywdqvi m K_v ejvi mgq mLvb
wfo Rg hvq| GwMq Avmb `yRb cywjk m`m| G mgq wec` AuvP
KiZ ci ev_ig hvIqvi K_v ej KviAvb kixd iLB cvwjq
hvb mywdqv| Avi dib wb|
nvBKvU gvRvii mvgbi ivvq Bj Pqvi em wfv KiwQjb
GK wfzK| cvq mv`v Kvcoi RyZv| gyL nvjKv QvU QvU `uvwo|
GjvKvq mevB ZvK wfzK`i wjWvi ejB Rvb| Avmj bvg KD
Rvb bv| KvQ wMq bvg RvbZ PvBj wZwb ejb, dwKii Avevi
bvg Kx? Avgvi mevB wjWvi Kq, wKQy wjLZ PvBj GB bvgB wjLb|
Avwg wfzK mwgwZi nvBKvU kvLvi mfvcwZ| Aviv K_v ejZ PvBj
Zvi m ci hvMvhvM KiZ ne ej wZwb Rvbvb| nvBKvU gvRvi
GjvKvi KqKRb vbxq wfzKi m K_v ejI GB bZvi bvg Rvbv
ce 2 \ mvdj

459

hvq wb| wKQyY ci wjWviK `Lv Mj nvBKvUi Dvcvki

dzUcvZ Bj Pqvi bq, nuU eovQb| nvZ wmMviU| AbKUv
weiwi m ejjb, cv cy njI nuvUvnuvwU KiZ cvib| AbKY
Bj Pqvi em _vKvq gvRv ai MQ| G KviY GLb GKUy nuvUQb|
GjvKvi KqKRb wfzKi m K_v ej Rvbv hvq, nvBKvU
GjvKvq mvaviY w`b wfv KiZ Gj GB bZvK 20 UvKv Ki w`Z
nq| ivZ NygvZ nj Aviv 20 UvKv jvM| Avi keeivZi w`b GB
UvKvi cwigvY Aviv ewk50 _K 100| KD UvKv bv w`j ZvK
Zvwoq `qv nq| GB wfzK`i gaI mvmx I KvWvi AvQ| GB
bZvi `j KvWvi wnme KvR Ki 10/12 Rb wKkvi I hyeK
wfzK| Giv g~jZ cy wfzK`i Bj Pqvi Vj eovq Ges mviv
w`b hv Avq nq, Zvi AaK wbq bq| fvmgvb hbKgx`i `vjvj
wnmeI Giv KvR Ki|
A_vr GUvB njv ckv`vi wfzK`i Aev| evevK Lye my`i
fvlvq GjvB eywSq ejyb| ZviciI hw` wZwb w`Z Pvb, mUvK
^vfvweKfve gb wbb|

Kxfve eq nq
ck : KvqvUvg Awdmi mv_ hviv RwoZ A_vr wewfb KvRKg Ki
_vK Zv`i eZb Kxfve `qv nq? gvwUi evsKi UvKv GZ eenvi
nq wK bv|
Di : KvqvUvg dvDkbi Kgx`i eq wbevni Rb Avgv`i
Abvb LvZi AvqjvB h_| gvwUi evsKi A_ mywbw`fveB
Avgiv mwi mevq, `vwi` wegvPb Ges gvbylK AvjvwKZ Kivi KvR
eq KiwQ|
ck : GB evsKi UvKv wK memgq jvgvq `y gvbyli Rb `qv nq?
Di : Avgv`i mevg~jK KvRi AbK LvZi ga GKUv nQ jvgv|
GB UvKv mwi Rb KjvYKi me LvZ eq nq|
460

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

ck : Avwg wbqwgZ gvwUi evsK `vb Kwi Ges h_ DcKvi cvwQ|

wKQyw`b AvM mvvwnK 2000 cwKvi wfzK`i Ici cwZe`b co
I`iK hv wfv w`Zvg Zv-I gvwUi evsK ivLwQ| KviY KvbUv h
wfzK eySZ cviwQ bv| Avwg wK wVK KiwQ? Avi gvwUi evsKi UvKv
Kx LvZ LiP nq?
Di : Avcwb wfzK`i UvKv bv w`q h UvKv gvwUi evsK ivLQb
mePq mwVK KvRwU KiQb| Avi gvwUi evsKi UvKv cyivUvB `y
gvbylK AvjvwKZ Kivi KvR eq nq, mevg~jK KvR eq nq, nzj
Bev` eq nq|
ck : Avwg gvwUi evsK wbqwgZ UvKv ivwL| wK wKQyw`b AvM
KvqvUvgi nq gvwUi evsKi KvR Kib Ggb GKRb AvwUi
nvRe Dw Kijb h, gvwUi evsKi UvKv hv`i cQb LiP nq
Zviv Zv AbKB gymjgvb bv| gvwUi evsK UvKv Rgv w`q Kvbv
jvf bB| G aibi Dw Avgvi ga GKUz wav Zwi KiQ| G
mK wKQy ejj DcKZ nev|
Di : whwb GUv ejQb Zvi Avmj ag mK, Bmjvg mK LyeB
mxwgZ vb| KviAvb nv`xm `vbi iZi K_v ejv nqQ| `vbi
Kvbv ag bB, Kvbv Mv bB, Kvbv RvZ bB, cvZ bB, eY
bB| `vbi Kvbv gymjgvb bB, wn`y bB, wLvb bB, e bB|
`vbi AvQ ay gvbyl| imyjyj-vn (m)-Gi nv`xm iqQZvgvi
cwZekx hw` bv Lq _vK Ges Zzwg hw` cU cyi LvI Zvnj Zzwg
Cgvb`vi bI, gymjgvb bI| GLvb cwZekxi K_v ejv nqQ|
gymjgvb cwZekxi K_v ejv nq wb|
Bmjvg RvwZ ag eY wbwekl mg gvbyli KjvY Kivi K_v
ejQ| Avi gvwUi evsKi UvKvq ay jvgvi KvR bv, LZbv Kvhg
gvwUi evsKi UvKvq nQ| hZiKg mevg~jK Kvhg, Zvi GKUv eo
Ask nQ gvwUi evsKi UvKvq| Avgiv Avj-vni Kwiqv Av`vq
KwigvwUi evsKi UvKvi `vbi h eiKZ Zv cZKB cvQb|
ce 2 \ mvdj

461

ck : Avgiv jvgvq h Kvievwb w`B Zvi gvsm gymjgvb QvovI weagxiv

LvQ| Zv wK kwiqZ gvZveK nQ?
Di : kwiqZ mK Avgv`i aviYv Lye z`| Avgiv Avgv`i z`Zv
w`q agK z` Ki dwj| Kvievwbi gvsm cwZekx`i ga weZiY
KiwQ| Afy cwZekxK Ab `vb Kiv Cgvbi Ask| Avi cwZekx
hKvbv agi nZ cvi|
nhiZ Beivnxg (Av) Lye AwZw_civqY wQjb| cvqB Pbv APbv
gngvb`i evwoZ wbq AvmZb, LvIqvZb, _vKvi eev Ki
w`Zb| Zvi cwZw`bi Afvm wQjvevwo _K GKUz `~i eo ivvi
gvo wMq `uvwoq _vKv| cwikv cw_K cjB wZwb wbq AvmZb
Ni| cwZw`b AZ GKRb AwZw_K bv cj Zvi fvjv jvMZv bv|
GKevi wZwb wZb w`b `uvwoq _KI Kvbv AwZw_K cjb bv|
wZb w`b ci mvq `Ljb, DUi wcV Po AvmQ GK e cw_K|
wZwb Lye Lywk njb| AbK mgv`i Ki ZvK Ni wbq Mjb| Lvevi
cwiekb Ki AwZw_K mv_ wbq Beivnxg (Av) hLb emjb,
`LjbAwZw_ wemwgj-vn bv ejB Lvevi gyL ZzjQ| Beivnxg (Av)
wRm Kijb, Avcwb LvIqvi AvM Avj-vni bvg wbjb bv? jvKwU
ejjv, `Lyb Avwg GKRb AwM DcvmK| wemwgj-vn ej LvIqvi Kvbv
wbqg Avgvi ag bB|
b Beivwng (Av) Lye wei Avi ivMvw^Z njb| `~i `~i Ki wZwb
eK Zvwoq w`jb| jvKwU Pj hvIqvi ci nhiZ wReivCj (Av)
Zvi KvQ Gm ejjb, `L! GB jvKwUi eqm 80 eQi| MZ 80 eQi
aiB Avj-vn G jvKwUK cwZcvjb Ki PjQbm Avj-vnK iY
bv KijI| Avi Zzwg GKejvi RbI ZvK LvIqvZ cvij bv|
b Beivnxg (Av) LyeB jwZ njb| wbRi fyj eySZ cvijb|
AbK LuyR Aekl cjb eK| gvd Pq Abybq-webq Ki wbq
Gjb Ges GKmv_ em Ljb| Avmj Bmjvgi wkv GUvB| `yK
mvnvh Kivi mgq Avcwb `Lebm gvbyl Ges m wecb| Zvi ag Kx,
Zvi eY Kx, Zvi Mv Kx, Zvi fvlv Kx Zv gvUB iZc~Y bq|

462

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

`vb Dy Kiv
ck : Avwg wbR gvwUi evsK `vb Kwi| wK Gi K_v Ab`i KvQ
ejvi evcvi wKQy wav-msKvP iqQ| G Kx KiYxq?
Di : gvwUi evsK `vbi evcvi Ab`i Dy KiZ wav-msKvP
_vKvi Kvbv hyw bB| KviY Gi gvag Avcwb GKw`K agi wb`k
cvjb KiQb, Abw`K Zvi DcKvi KiQb| m~iv Avj dRii 16-20
bs AvqvZ ejv nqQhLb Kviv wiwRK msKzwPZ nq ZLb m ej,
Avgvi ie AvgvK nq KiQb| ZLb Avj-vn ejb, GUv Ag~jK K_v|
Zvgv`i G Aevi KviY Zvgiv GwZgK mvb Ki wb, AfveMK
mvnvh KiZ ciiK DrmvwnZ Ki wb Ges A_ m`i cwZ
mxgvnxb jvf AvQb nq Zv KzwMZ KiQv| A_vr ay wbR `vb
Kiv bq, GB `vb Ab`iKI DrmvwnZ bv Kij Avcbvi wiwRK
msKzwPZ ne, Avcwb AfveM neb| FMe` ejv nqQ, Gmv cfyi
meK nB| Mwie I Afvex`i `vb Kwi| A_vr Mwie I AfvexK `vb
Kiv Ckii mev Kiv|
Avcwb Avcbvi Kvbv ewMZ jvfi Rb gvwUi evsKi K_v
AbK ejQb bv eis Gi gvag Avcwb ZviB DcKvi KiZ Pvb|
mUv Kxfve? c_gZ, Avcwb ZvK mwVKfve `vb Kivi myhvM Ki
w`Qb I Zvi elwqK mgw Avbqb mvnvh KiQb| wZxqZ, Gi
gvag Avcwb Zvi KvQ Rxebhvcbi wevbi evYx cuQ `qvi
myhvM cvQb| Avi Gfve Zvi `wnK gvbwmK cvwievwiK I AvwZK
mgwZI Avcwb f~wgKv ivLQb| hgb, Avcwb c_g KvDK GKwU
gvwUi evsK w`jb Ges ZvK `vb KiZ Dy Kijb| ciievi Zvi
m `Lv nj Zvi ^vi LuvRLei wbb, Zvi mgmvi K_v byb Ges
Rxebhvcbi wevbi AvjvK ZvK civgk w`b Ges Zv AekB
AvwiKZv, ggZv I mnvbyf~wZi mv_| g~jZ gvwUi evsKi gvag
Avcwb ZvK mrKvR m KiQb, AvjvwKZ KiQb|
KvRB gvwUi evsKi evcvi mg jv, msKvP So djZ
ne| KviY GKRb gvbylK evjvgywmeZ _K gy I AvjvwKZ Kivi
gZv cyYgq KvRwUB Avcwb KiQb|
ce 2 \ mvdj

463

ck : hviv KvqvUvg mK fyj aviYv cvlY Ki bv Zv`i Rbw`b

wK gvwUi evsK Dcnvi wnme `ev?
Di : h KvDK w`Z cvib Dcnvi wnme| Avgvi KvQ Zv gb nq
Gi PvBZ Dg Dcnvi Avi wKQy nZ cvi bv| KviY, Avcwb ZvK
KjvYi c_ `LvQb, Rxeb-gywi c_, evjvgywmeZ `~ii c_, wiwhK
ew Kivi c_ `LvQb| mew`K _KB gvwUi evsK GKwU Dg
Dcnvi| Gi mv_ memgq gvwUi evsKi evwkDi ev eyjwUb `eb|
ZvZ wZwb cyiv Kvhg mK aviYv wbZ cvieb|
ck : Ni gv-evev-gyiwe`i gvwUi evsK `vb mK wekvm KivZ
K nQ| GLb Kx Kiv hvq?
Di : G wbq Rvi Kieb bv| Avmj GKUv eqmi ci AwaKvsk
gvbyliB bZzb avbaviYv MnYi gvbwmKZv Zgb _vK bv| Avcbvi
gv-evev ev gyiex`i nqZv `vbi evcvi wbR^ Kvbv aviYv AvQ
hv wZwb e`jvZ Pvb bv| gvwUi evsKi evcviUv ZvB Zv`i Ici
Pvwcq bv w`q mB fvlvq evSvbvi Pv Kib h fvlv Zviv evSb|
bxie `vbi iZ evSvb Ges ejb h, `vbi GKUv mnR Dcvq njv
gvwUi evsK| gvwUi evsK wbq wekl wKQz ejvi `iKvi bB| ejeb,
`vb Kiv fvjv Ges `vbUv hvZ mnR KiZ cvivGRbB gvwUi
evsK| Avi ZviciI hw` Zviv gvbZ bv Pvb Zvnj Avi wKQyB ejeb
bv| Avcwb Avcbvi gZv `vb Ki hvb| Avi Zv`i Rb Avj-vni KvQ
cv_bv Kib hvZ Zviv mwVK mZ Dcjw KiZ cvib|
ck : AcwiwPZ ev gvUvgywU cwiwPZ hviv XvKvi evBi _vKb,
hv`i mv_ Avgvi hvMvhvM nq, Zv`iK wK gvwUi evsK w`Z cvwi?
Di : hKvbv gvbyli KjvYi Rb ZvK gvwUi evsK w`Z
cvib| KvK w`Qb ay Zvi bvg wVKvbv iL `eb| hvZ Ki
wZb/ Pvi gvm ci hvMvhvM Ki Zvi KvQ _K gvwUi evsK msMn ev
diZ AvbZ cvib Ges bZzb AviKwU evsK ZvK w`Z cvib
464

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Dy KiZ wMq weic cwiwwZ gvKvejv

ck : iRx, gvwUi evsK mK RvbvZ Mj AbK gb Ki GZ
Avgvi Kvbv jvf AvQ| ZLb Di Kx ejj GKRb gvbylK mnR
evSZ mg nev?
Di : ejeb, AekB Avgvi jvf AvQ| Kvbv jvf bv _vKj wK
Avgiv G KvR Kwi? jvfUv Kx? GB evsK h Avwg AvcbvK w`wQ, Kb
w`wQ? KviY, GZ `vb Kij Avcwb wbR DcKvi cveb| mB mv_
Avcbvi h mIqve Zvi mgcwigvY mIqve Avgvi Avgjbvgvq jLv
ne| GRb AvcbvK gvwUi evsK w`wQ| Avcbvi DcKvi Zv neB,
Avgvi DcKviI ne| GLvb `vb hZ evoe, mIqveI ZZ evoe|
gvwUi evsK `vb jvfi Kvbv kl bB| aib, GKRb 50 UvKv
gvwUi evsK `vb Ki gviv MQb| wK hnZz GwU mNe `vb Ges
hw` 100 KvwU UvKv G evsK Avm Zv H 50 UvKv _KB 100
KvwU UvKvi mIqve wZwb cZ _vKeb m`Kvq Rvwiqv wnme|
ck : Avwg gvwUi evsK weZiY KiwQ| AbK ck Ki, cxi mvnei
KvQ wMq mgmv hvq wb, gvwUi evsK `vb Ki wK mgmv hve?
Di : Avgiv KLbv ewj bv h, gvwUi evsK `vb KijB mgmv hve|
Avgiv hv ewj, Zv njv, gvwUi evsK `vbi cwZ`vb Avj-vn G
mgmvgy Ki `eb| Avi Z_vKw_Z cxi mvnei KvQ Mj Zv
mgmv hveB bv| KviY GB cxi mvne`i wbq weLvZ GK Dw
KiwQjb Avj-vgv Avkivd Avjx _vbfx (i)| wZwb ejQb, gywi` cxi
ai AvLivZ cvIqvi Rb, Avi cxi gywi` ai `ywbqv cvIqvi Rb|
AZGe UvKv cvIqvi Rb m AvcbvK aiQ| Avcwb UvKv `eb
wK Avcbvi Kvbv DcKvi ne bv|
cxi mvnei KvQ UvKv `qv wbqI Lye gRvi NUbv AvQ| GK
Wvvi GdwmwcGm cixv Qqevi w`qI cvm KiZ cvi wb| klevi
GK cxi mvneK bM` 10 nvRvi UvKv w`jv hvZ m cvk KiZ
cvi| wK meviI dj| ZLb Zvi GK KvqvUvg MvRyqU ez ZvK
ce 2 \ mvdj

465

ejjv, Zzwg Zv cxi mvneK GWfv 10 nvRvi UvKv w`q GmQv|

KviY cxi mvne`i memgq GWfv w`Z nq Ges `vqv Keyj bv
njI GB UvKv diZ bqvi Kvbv myhvM _vK bv| Gevi Zzwg Avevi
10 nvRvi UvKvi GKUv gvbZ Ki| Ze cyivUv bv w`q AaK `vI
Ges evwKUv cvk KiZ cvij `eG gvbZ Ki| ej ZvK GKUv
gvwUi evsK w`jv| m Zvi ezwUi K_v bjv Ges cuvP nvRvi UvKv
ivLjv| Kwiqvi evcvi njv, Gevi m cvk Kijv| AevK nq m
evi evi Zvi ezi KvQ wRm KiwQjv h, GUv Kgb Ki njv?
Zvi ez eywSq ejjv, `L, GUv Kvbv cxii KivgwZ bv,
KvqvUvgiI Kvbv AjwKK gZv bv| GUv njv `y`i Rb mr
wbqZ `vbi gvnvZ|
ck : Avgvi GK AvZxq ck ZzjQb h, Avgiv gvwUi evsKi gvag
wkiK KiwQ| KviY Avgiv gvwUi evsK hv`iK w`wQ Zviv ejQb,
gvwUi evsKi gvag GB GB mvdj cqwQ| KD KD ejQ, gvwUi
evsK wKQy GKUv AvQ, hvi Rb GZ mvdj AvmQ| GZ wK
wkiKi gZv bvn nQ? Gi Di Kxfve `ev?
Di : KD KD nqZv Gfve ej _vKZ cvib wK Avgiv
memgqB ewj, mvi mwi Rb `vbi KviY GB eiKZ| Avmj
wkiK mK Kviv Kviv mwVK aviYvi Afve iqQ| mwVK agxq
wbhvm wkiKK evSvi Pv bv Ki Zviv ZK ev K_vi gvicuvP wkiK
LuvRvi Pvq evKzj _vK| dj `bw`b mvaviY K_vcK_bI AbK
mgq Zv`i KvQ wkiKi gnvcvc wnme aiv `q| hgb, GKwU Qj
Lye fvjv GKRb wkKi KvQ co G-c-vm cjv| QjwUi gv-evev
hw` ejb, H wkKi KvQ co Avgvi Qj fvjv iRv KiQ,
Zvi gvb wK GUv wkiK nq Mj? wbqB bv| KviY GUv GKUv mvaviY
K_vcK_bi ixwZ|
wkiK gvb Avj-vni mv_ Kvbv wKQyK kwiK Kiv| GUv hZUv bv
cvqvwMK Zvi Pq ewk gvbwmK ev wekvmi| hgb, ejv nq Avj-vn
Qvov Avi Kviv KvQ wKQy PvIqv hve bv| wK gv-evevi KvQ Avgiv
wK PvB bv? ewj bv h, gv, cuvPUv UvKv `vI; evev, AgyK wRwbmUv Gb
466

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

`vI| ewj| KviY GUvB `bw`b K_vcK_b|

KvRB mewKQyZ wkiK LuvRvi gvbwmK RwUjZvq hviv Avv
Zv`i K_v viv cfvweZ neb bv| Giv wbRiv mrKg KiQ bv, KiZ
mvnvh KiQ bv Ges AviKRb KiK GUvI PvQ bv| G`i Aev
nQ KviAvbi m~iv gyvm&wmi-G ewYZ gvbyl`i gZv, hviv ciKvj
e_ ne Ges Zv`iK wRm Kiv ne, Zvgv`i GB e_Zv ev
Rvnvbvg Kx Rb? ZLb Zviv eje, Avgiv mvjvZ Kvqg Kwi wb,
AfveMK mvnvh Kwi wb Ges Ab`i mv_ wgj Abvq civPbv I
Abvq KvR wj _KwQ|
ck : GKevi GK MvRyqUi evmvq gvwUi evsK w`Z wMq ek wZ
AwfZvi myLxb njvg| evsK Zv wbjbB bv Dci dvDkbK
wbq AbK evR K_v ejjb| Avgiv bvwK KvwU KvwU UvKvi eemv
KiwQ| gvbylK cZvwiZ KiwQ| Zvi Kvbv my AwfhvM wQjv bv|
meB GiKg gvUv`vMi AwfhvM|
Di : jevbbi Kwe Kvnwjj wReivbi GKwU PgrKvi M AvQ G
cm| Zvi evKb nvU MMi M `v U ev So| Mfxi
Rj cwiZ GK fvOv evwo| GK `iek mLvbB mvabvq wbgM|
GK kxZi ivZ cP So njv|
So, eRcvZ Avi MvQcvjv fvOvi Zve Pjjv mvivivZ| Gi gaB
fvOv Rvbvjv w`q GKUv cvwL Gm cojv `ieki Nii fZi|
ewZ wfR Vvvq gZcvq| AvjZv nvZ cvwLwUK Zzj wbq `iek
`Ljb Zvi GKUv Wvbv fO MQ| i Kijb klvi KvR| wbRi
cvMwoUvK fuvR Ki weQvbvi gZv Ki Zvi ga cvwLUvK ivLjb|
cvMwoUvK Pzjvi cvk iL w`jb hvZ axi axi D nq IV
cvwLUv| gjg Gb jvwMq w`jb ZvbjvZ| fvOv WvbvUvK eua
w`jb GKUv KvwVi mv_| Lvevi I cvwb w`Z jvMjb mgqgZv|
mev-klv cq Av Av my nq DVjv cvwLwU| GKmgq
GKUz GKUz DoZI cvijv| GKw`b Wvbv gj Do Mj m GB
cwiZ evwo Qo, Zvi cig KjvYKvgx Avkq`vZvK Qo| GB
evwo GKw`b `yhvMi ivZ Zvi Avkqj nqwQjv, GB Avkq`vZvi
ce 2 \ mvdj

467

AKv mevhZ m fvjv nq DVwQjv| `iek wK K cvb wb| eis

GB cwiYwZi K_v wZwb RvbZb| GKwU gZcvq Rxebi euP IVvi
mnhvMx wZwb nZ ciQbGUvB wQjv Zvi cig Zw| hLb Wvbv
fvOv wQjv ZLb Zvi Rxeb `ieki cqvRb wQjv| AvR hLb m
DoZ wkLQ, m gywi Avb` AeMvnb KiK Avi wZwb gbvwbek
Kib Aviv Amnvq AvZi KjvYGwUB wQjv Zvi Awfcvq|
Avgv`i dvDkbI AbK Avmb GB cvwLi gZvBhv`i Wvbv
fvOv _vK| A_vr kvixwiK, gvbwmK, cvwievwiK ev Avw_Kfve wech
nq euP _vKvi Avkv nvwiq Zviv Avmb| Avgiv ggZv w`q, cwiPhv
w`q Zvi GB ZK mvwiq bZzb Rxebi Avevnb DxweZ Kwi|
G`i KD KD nqZv GB cvwLi gZvB Do Pj hvb| ckvw
wbq, my nq ev mvdj cq Zviv Avevi wbR`i ejq wdi hvb|
GKUzLvwb cqB nqZv Zviv fveb, cq MwQ| Avi wKQy cvIqvi
bB| Zviv Z nq hvb| Ze mevB bb| AwaKvskB Aviv k eb
Rwoq ay _K hvIqv bq, wbRivI nq IVb GB `ieki gZv
GKKRb meK| GUvB wbqg|
KvRB h Do Pj hvq Zvi Rb memgq Zwi nvwm nvmeb|
Zvi hLb wec` wQjv, cqvRb wQjv, Avgiv ZvK mev KiwQ| AvR
Avi Avgv`i mevi cqvRb Zvi bB| Avgiv `~i _K Zvi Rb
gjKvgbv Ki hvev| Ze hw` m KLbv wdi AvmZ Pvq, Avme|
Avgiv Avbw`ZwP ZvK eiY Ki bev|
Avi e`bvg hw` wKQy Ki Aviv Z neb| m AvmjB DcKZ
nqQ, Zv bv nj m e`bvg KiZv bv| KviY wKQy wKQy gvbyl AvQ
DcKZ nj m wbRK QvU gb KiAgyKi KvQ _K Avwg DcKZ
nqwQ| wbRi AngUvK XvKvi Rb Zviv wb`v Ki|
AZGe gvwUi evsK mK hw` KD e`bvg Ki _vK Zv Z
neb, Zvi Rb `vqv Kieb| m h DcKZ nqQ G evcvi wbwZ
_vKeb| ZviciI Avgiv Zvi KjvY Kvgbv Kievm Aviv fvjv
_vKzK, GKUv mgq nqZv AvmZ cvi hLb wZwb Zvi fyj eySeb|
wZwb Avevi Avgv`i mv_ Avmeb| KvRB hKvbv gvbyl AvmyK
Avgiv Zvi mevi Rb memgq cZ| Zvi fvOv Wvbv k nvK, m
gywi Avb` Do eovK| GUvB Avgv`i Avb`|
468

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

gvwUi evsK `vbi cwqv

ck : gvwUi evsK mewb KZ UvKv nj Rgv `qv hve?
Di : gvwUi evsK `vbi mevP ev mewb ej wKQy bB| wZb/ Pvi
gvm ci evsK Rgv A_ dvDkb w`q bZzb evsK wbq hveb|
ck : Kvbv mdjZv ARbi Dk hw` gvbZ Kiv nq h, wbw`
mgqi ga mdjZv AwRZ nj KvqvUvg evsK gvbeZvi KjvYi
Rb .... UvKv `ev| H cwigvY UvKv hw` wbw` mgqi AvMB
GWfv `qv nq, Zvnj wK mdjZv ARb Zivw^Z ne?
Di : Pv Ki `LZ Kvbv `vl bB| cig KiYvgq hKvbv
mgq KiYv KiZ cvib| wK hw` bv nq? Kvbv Amyweav bB| H
UvKv Zv gvbyli KjvYB eenvi Kiv nQ| Avwg Avj-vni Kwiqv
Av`vq Kwi h, hZeviB gvbZ Kiv nqQ, hZeviB UvKv `qv nqQ,
PgrKvi dj cvIqv MQ| AZGe gvbZ Ki djj UvKv Avcwb
AvMI w`Z cvib|
ck : gvwUi evsK UvKv `qvi wbqZ Ki mv_ mv_ bv w`q wZb/
Pviw`b GgbwK mvn ci Rgv Kwi, GZ Kvbv Amyweav ne wK?
Di : GKUv Amyweav nQ, AbK mgq Avcwb fyj hveb| hvZ fyj
bv hvb mB Rb mv_ mv_ Rgv Kieb|
ck : AbK mgq Avgiv h cwigvY UvKv gvwUi evsK `ev ej wbqZ
Kwi, `Lv hvq mB cwigvY UvKv nvZ bB| GRb A UvKv, hv AvQ
Zv-B w`q `B| GZ wK wbqZi Kvbv Ljvc ne ev hv wbqZ
KiwQjvg ci wK Zv Avevi w`q w`Z ne?
Di : wbqZ mvg_ AbymviB Kieb| UvKv hv AvQ m AbymviB
wbqZ Kieb| w`Z cvieb bv, c~iY KiZ cvieb bvGiKg wbqZ
Kieb bv| wK wbqZ Kij mUv AekB `eb|
ce 2 \ mvdj

469

ck : gvwUi evsK wbqZ Kij mUv hw` Avmj c_ c~iY bv nq

`yb^wi cwZZ nq, Zvnj wK wbqZ c~iY KiZ ne?
Di : wbqZ Kij KvRUv GK b^wi cwZZ ne, bv `yb^wi cwZZ
nemUv iZc~Y bq| iZc~Y nQ wbqZ Kij c~iY KiZ ne|
ck : Avwg cwZw`b mKvj Nyg _K DV gvwUi evsK wKQy wbw`
cwigvY UvKv ivwL, G Kvbv gvbZ ev Dk _vK bv eis GwU
GKwU Afvm nq `uvwoqQ|
Di : Lye fvjv Afvm| G Afvm vqx nvKGUvB `vqv Kwi|
ck : gvwUi evsK `vbi KvRi Ici wfw Ki kZKiv Kx
cwigvY `vb KiZ ne?
Di : Avmj gvwUi evsK `vbi cwZUv Lye mnR| Avcwb hw`
eemvqx nb, cZKw`b `vKvb Lvjvi mv_ mv_ gvwUi evsK wKQy
ivLyb| cwigvYUv Avcbvi wbRi BQgZv| wbqwgZ ivLZ _vKzb|
`Leb h, Avcbvi ePvKbv eo hvQ| Avcwb hLb `vb KiZ
_vKeb, Avcbvi cvPzh evoZ _vKe| Zvici Avcbvi DcvRbi
kZKiv KZ fvM `eb Zv Avcwb wbRB wbaviY Ki beb|
ck : ivvq hw` KD mvnvh Pvq A_ev Lvevii Rb UvKv Pvq, `qv
hve? gvRvi UvKv w`Z Zv Kvbv Amyweav bB?
Di : Avmj ivvq hviv Pvq, Giv me ckv`vi wfzK| AbK AvMi
GKUv Qv NUbv ewj| ZLb ZiY| gbUv big wQjv, hw`I cqmv
wQjv bv| GKw`b ivwejv ivv w`q hvwQ| nVvr `wL ivvi avi
GKRb Lye KvZivQ| Rvb ewiq hvq hvq Aev| wRm Kijvg, Kx
nqQ? ejjv, hv nqQ| XvKvq GmQ wPwKrmv KivZ, GLb evwo
hvIqvi UvKv bvB| LvqI wb KqKw`b|
K_v bZ bZ Avwg Lye ew_Z nq DVjvg| wPv KiZ jvMjvg,
Kxfve GK mvnvh Kiv hvq| Avgvi hnZz mvg_ bvB, wPv Kijvg
470

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Kvi Kvi KvQ PvBZ cvwi| gb co Mj KqKRb mncvVx I ezi

bvg| Zv`iK Lei w`jvg| wnme Ki `Ljvg, Mvwofvov Ilya
Lvevime wgwjq 25 UvKv nj nq hvq| Aek 25 UvKv b hw`
GLbKvi 25 UvKv gb Kib Zvnj ne bv| GUv h mgqi K_v ZLb
UvKvq `yB mi Pvj cvIqv hZ| UvKvcqmv hvMvo nq Mj| ZvK
cvwVq w`jvg evwoZ| Zwi wbtkvm dj fvejvg, hvK, Avgiv
GKRb wecbK mvnvh KiZ cvijvg|
Gi mvnLvbK ci GKw`b AviK ivv w`q hvwQ| nVvr wb
GKBiKg AvIqvR| ZvwKq `wL H jvKUvB| GKBfve mvnvh
PvBQ| c_g AvgvK wPbZ cvi wb| MZ mvni K_v hLb ejjvg,
ZLb Pzc nq Mj| cvij ZzwY QyU cvjvq| GKevi fvejvg, hv`i
KvQ _K UvKvcqmv Gb GK w`qwQ Zv`i WK Gb fvjv Ki
`yPvi Nv jvwMq w`B| ci Aek Zv Avi Kwi wb| wK wecbK mvnvh
KiZ wMq h evKv ebwQmUv gb wQjv AbKw`b|
Avevi hviv gvRvi wfv Ki Zv`i Kx Aev? Avgiv AbK
gvRvi wfv w`Z hvB| gb Kwi h, Avnv, GZ mIqve! wmjUi
nhiZ kvnRvjvji gvRvii NUbv2004 mvj nhiZ kvnRvjvji
gvRvi hLb evgv dvUjv Avgv`i ZLb wmjU Avgv`i Kvm
nwQjv| ciw`b Leii KvMR eivjv PgKc` GK NUbv| GK
wfzK MZ 21 eQi ai KvVi UwjZ em cy mR wfv KiZv| 21
eQi ai cwZw`b mKvjejv ZvK KvVi UwjZ Ki Gb Zvi
mnhvMx ZvK ewmq iL hZ| Avkcvki mevB Rvb m cy| wK
hw`b evgv dzUjv mw`b mevBK AevK Ki w`q Uwj Qo m w`jv
fuv `o| A_vr KZ wbLuyZ AwfbZv!
ZvB ivv-NvU hv`iK `Leb Zviv AwaKvskB GiKg ckv`vi
wfzK| G`iK wfv `qvUv A_nxb| Ze memgq mwZKvi `yMZK
mvnvh Kiv KZe| Avi Zv mNefve Kiv mnR|
Avi gvRvijvZ `vbi A_ w`q Kx nq Zv wbq mvvwnK 2000G cKvwkZ nqwQjv GK cQ`-cwZe`b| UvKvq XvKv gvRvi
wkivbvg G wicvUwUi wbevwPZ wKQy Ask e Zzj aiv njv
AbK AbK w`b AvMi K_v| GK gvRvii Lv`g Zvi
gvZvIqvwj-K ejjv h, m nR hve| AbygwZ cq Nvovq Po
ce 2 \ mvdj

471

Avie `ki Dk iIbv Kijv Lv`g| wKQy`~i hvIqvi ci NvovUv

gviv Mj| Lv`g NvovwUK c_ Kei w`q em Kuv`Z jvMjv|
c_Pvixiv Kei Ges Lv`gi Kvbv `L hvIqvi c_ UvKv w`Z
jvMjv| Gfve KeiwU gvRvi cwiYZ njv| Lv`g nq Mj
gvZvIqvwj-| Iw`K AbKw`b Acv Ki Lv`gi mvb ei njb
Zvi Ryi| cw_ga gvRvimn wklK Avwevi Kijb|
Ryi wRm Kijb, GUv Kvi gvRvi? wkl ejjv, Ryi, GUv
Avcbvi `qv Nvovi Kei| RgRgvU gvRvi `L Lywk nq Ryi
ejjb, Nvovi RvZUv Lye fvjv| GUvi gv NvovwU w`qB Zv Avwg
gvRvi KiwQ| Avi m RbB bvg Nvovkvn cxii gvRvi| cj-xKwe
RmxgD`&`xbi evOvwji nvwmi M M G iKg Nvovkvn cxii
gvRvii M AvQ|....
....cwimsLvb eyivi wnmve gZ, `k gvU gvRvii msLv 20
nvRvi 70wU| Gi ga XvKv Rjvq AvQ 1,588wU| Ze mePq ewk
PMvg2,588wU| h KviY PMvg gvRvii kni wnmeI
cwiwPZ|....
Bmjvg gvRvi wRqviZi wbqg nQ c_g mvjvg cvV Kiv| Gici
KviAvbi AvjvK Keievmxi Rb `vqv Kiv| nhiZ gynv` (m)
Ges Zuvi gq wewe dvZgvI wbqwgZ gvRvi wRqviZ KiZb| Ze
eZgvb hv Kiv nqhgb gvRvi evwZ `qv, dzj wQUvbv, Pv`i
Rovbv, Pzgy `qv, gvbZ Kiv, Kei kvwqZ gZewi KvQ wKQy
PvIqvGi Kvbv wKQyB Bmjvwg kwiqZ Rvqh bq|....
`ki RgRgvU gvRvijvZ `Lv hvq, UvKvi wbP XK MQ
Kei| ....Mi, Lvwm, gyiwM wKsev AvMievwZ, MvjvcRj, gvgevwZ
mewKQy wewi ga w`q Avm UvKv| gvRvi cZKwU welq Avjv`v
Avjv`v BRviv `qvi NUbvI AvQ| GgbwK wfzK`i emvi RvqMvI
wew nq wewfb nvi|....
XvKvi BwZnvm iPwqZv`i ga weLvZ cwZ nwKg nvweeyi ingvb
Lvb AvLy`Rv`vi Avmy`Mvb XvKv ev XvKvq hviv mgvwnZ bvgK
MwUK cvgvY aiv nq| D`yfvlvq iwPZ G eBq wZwb wjLQb
Keinxb Ges mvaviY Keii gvRvi nq hvIqvi BwZnvm| Zvi eBq
c_g Rvbv hvq h, cyivb XvKvi wR`vevRvi gmwR`i cvki
472

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

gvRviwUZ Kvbv Kei bB| cvPxbKvj gniigi mgq GLvb jvjmeyR wbkvb w`q mvwRq Zvi wbP kieZ ivLv nZv| GUvB Kvjg
gvRvi cwiYZ nq| nwKg nvweeyi ingvb wjLQb, Dwj-wLZ M^yR
`L aviYv Kiv nq h, Bnv Avmj Kvbv KeiB bq| eis Dnv GKwU
gvKvg| GKBfve cyivb XvKvi beve `Dwo Keivbi cwgi
gvRviwU RbK g` weZvi KvQ _K `Lj Kivi Rb ivZvivwZ Mo
Zvjv nqwQjv| GLvbI Kvbv Kei bB|
kvn Avjxi gvRvi : eQi Avq wZb KvwU 12 jvL UvKv
GB gvRvi KwgwUi mfvcwZi c` wbevwPZ nIqvUv msm` wbevPb
Ask bqvi Pq Kg iZc~Y bq| kvn Avjxi gvRviK wNi GgbB
gZvgZ wgicyievmxi|
1973 mvji 11 Rvbyqvwi eZgvb gvRvi febwU wbwgZ nq| kvn
Avjx gvRvii mwi cwigvY 24 GKi| ....gvRvii AvIZvq iqQ
ek wKQy AcwZvb| Rbvij nvmcvZvj, Kvwgj gv`vmv, GwZgLvbv,
AvwRwRqv gv`vmvmn wekvj gmwR`, cyKzi, Rjvkq QvovI iqQ Qq
Zjv gvKU| 131 Rb KgKZv-KgPvixi eZb eve` cwZ gvm eq nq
mvqv cuvP j UvKv|
....RuvKRgKfve 12wU Drme eq nq cuvP j UvKv| eQi
GKevi wZb w`bi Iim nq hvZ eq nq AZ 10 j UvKv| C`
wgjv`ybexZ eq nq GK j UvKv| gvRvii iqQ 17wU wm`yK|
gvm GKevi Lvjv nq| GZ Mo Avm cvq Pvi j UvKv| Kei Qyuo
gviv UvKv Zvjv nq mvZ w`b ci ci| gvm Gi cwigvY `yB j UvKv|
`vbi UvKv gvm mvZ j ejjI bvg cKvk AwbQyK KqKRb
Lv`g Rvbvb, Gi cwigvY 10 j _K 12 j UvKvi gZv| ccvwL
BRviv nq 15 _K 18 j UvKvq| Awdmi `qv wnmvegZ Avqi
cwigvY Qvwoq hvq eQi GK KvwU 10 j UvKvi Ici| Ze
KqKwU m~gZ cwZ gvmB gvRvii Avq 25-26 j UvKv| Avi mB
wnme gvRvii Avq eQi wZb KvwU 12 j UvKv|
evi AvDwjqv : eQi Avq 40 j UvKv
PMvg Rjvi mxZvKz _vbvi mvbvBQwo Mvg XvKv-PMvg
gnvmoKi cvkB GB `iMvn| .... 0.8 kZK Rwgi Ici g~j gvRvi|
ce 2 \ mvdj

473

GQvov dviKvwbqv gv`vmv, gmwR`mn Lv`g`i AvIZvq iqQ Aviv

40 kZK Rwg| gvRvii wZbwU `vbev gvwmK Avq `yB j UvKv, hv
eQi `uvovq 24 j UvKv| `vbevi evBi wRqviZi mgq gvRvi
djv UvKvi cwigvY gvm GK j UvKv Ki eQi Avm 12 j UvKv|
gvbZi Mi QvMj nuvmgyiwM _K Avm gvm 20 nvRvi UvKv Ki
eQi `yB j 40 nvRvi UvKv| GQvov gvgevwZ AvMievwZ wew Ki
Avm gvm cuvP nvRvi UvKv Ki eQi 60 nvRvi UvKv| GZ Ki gvU
Avq nq eQi 39 j UvKv| hw`I Avkcvki jvKRbi gZ GB
Avq Aviv ewk|
12 Rb wkK I KgPvixi eZb cwikva gvRvii eq nq gvm
25 nvRvi UvKv Ki eQi wZb j UvKv| evwK UvKv Kvb LvZ eq
nq RvbZ PvBj gvRvi Awdm Rvbvq, GUvi wfb fvM AvQ| eskRvZ
Lv`giv cvq 15%| GiKg cwievi AvQ wZbwU| DcLv`g ev
msMvnKiv cvq 15% hv fvM nq 13 Rbi ga| gvZvIqvwj- cvb
20%| wewfb Drme eq nq 12%|....
nhiZ kvnRvjvj (in) gvRvi : Avq 13 KvwU UvKv
....gvRvi KgiZ KqKRbi mv_ K_v ej Rvbv hvq, cwZw`bi
`vbLqivZi cwigvY Mo `yB j UvKv| enwZ I evi GUv wY
nq Avm Pvi j UvKv| KLbv KLbv GiI ewk| evwlK Iimi
mgq cwZw`b Avm Mo 50 j UvKv| wZb w`b GB Avqi cwigvY
Qvwoq hvq `o KvwU UvKvi ewk| me wgj eQi Avq cvq 13 KvwU
UvKvi gZv| Zvi gvb cwZ gvmi Mo Avq GK KvwU UvKvi Ici|
`iMvq `vbLqivZ _K Avmv GB wecyj LvZi bB Kvbv wnmvewbKvk| bB LvZv-c, bB UvKv LiPi Revew`wnZv| KIg I gydwZ
cwievii jvKRb G UvKv fvM-evUvqviv Ki bq| gvRvii Lv`g
wnme KIg I gydwZ`i cb 300 cwievi fvM nq UvKv| esk
ciivq GUv nq AvmQ|
esk avivevwnKZvq wbhy nb gvZvIqvwj-| eQii w`bjvK
DivwaKvi gvZveK wewfb cwievii ga fvM Kiv nq _vK|
wbavwiZ w`bjvi Avq Zzj bq wbavwiZ cwievi| GQvov evwlK
Iimi wZb w`bi Avq Pj hvq gvZvIqvwj-i Ni| gvRvi wecyj
474

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

cwigvY Avq AvQ, eq bB| Dbqbi KvR nq miKvwi Aby`vb|

UvKvcqmvi wnmve mK RvbZ PvBj `iMvi gvbRvi Rvbvb,
Gme Avwg Rvwb bv| gvZvIqvwj- mve ejZ cvi| gvZvIqvwj- ejb,
GZ wnmve wbKvki Kx AvQ? hv `vbLqivZ Avm, Avgiv Lv`giv
LvB, Zvici cvij wKQy Kwi|
Lvb Rvnvb Avjxi gvRvi : Avq 80 j UvKv
lvUM^yR gmwR`i mwbKU GB gvRvi cwZw`b 10-12 nvRvi UvKv
Avm f`i `vb-LqivZ _K| evi Avqi cwigvY `uvovq 18
_K 20 nvRvi UvKv| gvm Mo Avq cvq Pvi j UvKv| GQvov
cwZeQi 24 I 25 AMnvqY Iim nq| Iim BRviv memgqB `o j
UvKvi Ici| Px c~wYgv Dcj gjv em hv wZb w`bi Rb ejv
njI nq mvZ w`b| Gmgq BRviv `qv nq cuvP _K mvZ j UvKv|
gvRvii gvU Rwgi cwigvY 350 weNv| me wgwjq eQi Avq nq 80
j UvKvi gZv| G UvKvi bB wnmve-wbKvk, bB miKvwi mswk-Zv|
Lv`g cwievijv DivwaKvi m~ fvM Ki bq wbR`i ga|
nhiZ AvgvbZ kvn (in) gvRvi : Avq wZb KvwU UvKv
....`yBwU vqx `vbevi Avq gvwmK 10 j UvKv, evrmwiK GK
KvwU 20 j UvKv| evwlK Iim gvnwdji Avq 50 j UvKv| wekl
Drmehgb, keeivZ Ges keK`i Avq nq 35 j UvKv| gvbZi
ccvwL Mi QvMj wew Ki Avq nq cuvP j A_vr eQi 60 j
UvKv| gvbZi gvgevwZ I AvMievwZ _K Avm gvm 50 nvRvi Ki
eQi Qq j UvKv| `vbevi evBiI wRqviZi UvKv _K Avm `yB
j| bvbv LvZ wgwjq eQi Avq nq cvq wZb KvwU UvKvi Ici|
gvRvi cwiPvjbv LvZi eqi cwigvY Avqi Zzjbvq AwZ bMY|
KgPvixi eZb gvwmK 40 nvRvi UvKv, eQi 4 j 80 nvRvi UvKv|
evwlK Iimmn wekl Abyvb cvjb eve` LiP eQi 10 j UvKv|....
nhiZ Mixe Dj-vn kvn gvRvi : GK KvwU UvKv
....AvUwU `vbevi evwlK Avq 24 j UvKv| evwlK Iimi Puv`v
15 j UvKv| Keii RvqMv wew nq cwZwU AvU nvRvi UvKv| GB
LvZ _K eQi Avq nq cvq bq j 60 nvRvi UvKv| `vKvb fvov
ce 2 \ mvdj

475

LvZ Avq 24 j UvKv| gvbZi Mi-QvMj wew Ki Avq GK j

UvKv| gvgevwZ AvMievwZ wew mvZ j UvKv| wewk f`i
GKKvjxb Puv`v 15 j UvKv| evi gmwR`i Puv`v 50 nvRvi UvKv|
wMjvdi Avq GK j UvKv| me wgwjq eQi GLvb _K Avq GK
KvwU UvKvi Dci| .....gvRvi cwiPvjbv eve` evwlK eq cuvP j 45
nvRvi UvKv| GB gvRvii bvg iqQ gvU mvZ GKi Rwg|
weovj`n nhiZ kvn mq` Kig Avjx (in) gvRvi : eQi 50 j UvKv
ivRkvnx-XvKv gnvmoKi cvkB cywVqvi weovj`n nhiZ kvn
mq` Kig Avjx (in) gvRvi kixd| weovj`n gvRvii mePq eo
Avqi Drm ivRkvnx-XvKv gnvmoKi wewfb evm I UvK _K Zvjv
Puv`v| ....GB gvRvii Avqi cwigvY eQi 50 j UvKvi Ici|
`vbi A_ wbq gvRvijvZ Kx Kiv nq Zvi LvwbKUv DV GmQ
Icii wicvU| AwaKvsk gvRvii Avq-eqi evcvi KVvi
MvcbxqZv iv Kiv nq| GKgv gvRvii jvK Qvov evBii KD GB
A_ Kv_vq Kxfve eq nq Zv Rvbb bv| ZvB `vb Kivi AvM Avcwb
Kv_vq `vb KiQb Zv wbq fveZ ne AvcbvKB|
ck : KjvY mvdj I cvPzh jvfi Rb ay gvwUi evsK `vb Kiev,
bvwK agxq KvRI `vb KiZ ne? wewfb `vb ev `vb KiZ
AmyweavUv Kv_vq?
Di : hme `vb evaZvg~jKmwU AekB Kieb| hgb, hvKvZ
nQ GKwU evaZvg~jK `vb| GUv w`ZB ne| gvwUi evsK hZB
`b, hw` hvKvZ Avcbvi Ici diR nq, AvcbvK h_vh_fve hvKvZ
Av`vq KiZ ne| G Avcbvi Kvbv ^vaxbZv bB| bv Kij
mUv Kweiv bvn wnme weewPZ ne| A_vr ^ ^ agxq h `vbh
`vb ev nK Av`vq Kiv evaZvg~jKmUv AekB Kieb|
Avi `vb mUvB hLvb Avcbvi ^vaxbZv iqQ| Ze G ^vaxbZv
AvcbvK cqvM KiZ ne cvi mv_| Kv_vq w`Qb, Avcbvi
`vbi A_ h_vh_fve eq nQ wK bv, Rb eyS wbZ ne| G wbq
14 AvM, 2007 mvj `wbK msev` cKvwkZ nqwQjv GKwU
476

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Abymvbx cwZe`b| ivRavbxi `vbev eQi Rgv nq bq KvwU UvKv

wkivbvgi G cwZe`b DV Avm PgKc` wKQy Z_| cvVK`i Rb
H wicvUwUi wKQy Ask GLvb DZ Kiv njv
XvKvi ivRc_ PjZ jvBUcv, evRvi, gmwR`i mvgb wewfb
LuywUZ cxi dwKi I wewfb gvRvii bvg GK aibi `vbev Szj
_vKZ `Lv hvq| Gme `vbev eQi bq KvwU UvKv Avq nq| wK
Gme A_ Kviv Kxfve LiP Ki Zvi Kvbv wnmve bB|
LuvR wbq Rvbv MQ, XvKv wmwU Kcvikbi 90wU IqvW Pvi
nvRvi 950wUi gZv `vbev AvQ| Gme evi cwZwUZ `wbK Mo
50 UvKvi gZv msMn nq| G wnmve Gme `vbev _K eQi AvU
KvwU 91 jvL UvKv Av`vq nq ej `vbev vcbKvix I A_
msMnKvixiv Rvbvb| GB wecyj Ai UvKv wewfb cxi-dwKi Ges
gvRvii gZv agxq cwZvbi bvg msMn Kiv njI Av` agxq
KvR jvMvbv nq wK bv, Zv wbq mskq `Lv w`qQ|
evjvZ hme cxi-dwKii bvg-wVKvbv _vK Zvi cvq meB
XvKvi evBii| hviv Gme ev wbqY Ki _vKb Zv`i ewRxeb
agxq wewaweavb gvbvi I D`vmxbZv `Lv hvq|
XvKv kni mePq ewk `vbev `Lv hvq wewfb cxii bvg| G
Qvov P`cvov (in), kvnevev dwi`cywi, kwlbvi cxi, LvRv gBbyxb
wPkwZqv (in), cxi Bqgwb (in), kvn Kvgvj (in) I AvgevMvb cxi
mvnei bvg `vbev PvL co| wewfb gmwR` gv`vmv gvRvi I
Iimi bvgI `vbev Szj _vKZ `Lv hvq| Gme `vbev wewfb
cvBKvwi I LyPiv evRvi, Pvji AvoZ, ij I evm kbi gmwR` I
gv`vmvi mvgbi moK UvwOq ivLv nq|
BqviDwb (in) cxi mvnei bvg `vbevjvi ewkifvM wbqY
Kib gvnv`cyii Rwi gnj-vi `vij RvbvZ Rvg gmwR`i mveK
Bgvg| kni 150wU `vbev Zvi wbqY AvQ ej wZwb Rvbvb|.......
XvKv kni `vbevi wbqY wZbwU Mci mvb wgjQ|......
XvKv wmwU Kcvikbi 40wU IqvW cvq cuvP kZvwaK `vbev
AvQ| Avi Gme `Lfvji Rb AvQ 12 Rb Lv`g| ...... Gme
ev _K KZ Avq nq RvbZ PvBj wZwb ejb, Gme Avgiv wnmve
Kwi bv| hv Avm me GK Ki `iMvq cvwVq `B|.....
ce 2 \ mvdj

477

`vbevi gvag mePq ewk A_ msMnxZ nq wZbwU gvRvi|

Mvjvc kvn gvRvi wjvb, nhiZ kvn Avjx evM`vw` (i) I
nvBKvUi gvRvi| AwfhvM`vbevi gvag Avmv A_i GKUv eo
Ask hvq KwgwUi m`m`i cKU|
KvRB eySZB cviQb `vb Kv_vq KiQb mUvI `Lvi welq|
h_v_ agxq I gvbweK KvR hLvb eq nq mLvb `vb KiZ Kvbv
Amyweav bB|

cm gvbZ
ck : AbK ejb, gvbZ Kiv bvwK wkiK? G evcvi RvbZ PvB|
Di : gvbZ Kiv hw` wkiK nZv Zvnj KviAvb kixd
mrKgkxj`i cwiPq w`Z wMq ejv nZv bv h, Zviv gvbZ c~iY
Ki| m~iv Av`-`vn&i ejv nqQmrKgkxjiv hLb Kvbv wKQyi
Iqv`v ev gvbZ Ki ZLb Zviv GUv c~iY Ki| A_vr gvbZ KiZB
ne Zv bq| Ze hw` Kiv nq, Zv c~iY KiZ ne| GwU mrKgkxj`i
GKwU Y wnme Avj-vn ejQb| ^qs Avj-vn hvi eaZv w`qQb ZvK
wkiK ejv h KZUv g~LZvi cwiPvqK Zv mnRB evaMg|
ck : gvwUi evsK gvbZ c~Y nevi AvM UvKv `ev, bv ci?
Di : gvbZ c~Y nIqvi ci A_ w`Z nq| gvbZi GUvB wbqg| Ze
AvMI w`Z cvib| ZLb mUv `vb nq Mj| hKvbv `vbB cfyi
KvQ MnYhvM, hw` Zv Zuvi mwi Rb nq|
ck : Kvbv eo KvRi Rb nzj Bev` gvbZ Kij mUv wK ZLbB
`qv DwPZ, bv KvRUv nIqvi ci `qv DwPZ?
Di : hfve gvbZ KiQb mfveB `qv DwPZ| hw` KvR kl
nIqvi ci `qvi gvbZ Ki _vKb, Zvnj mfveB `eb| Avi hw`
478

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

gb Kib `xNgqv`x KvRi L L mb nIqvi ci wKQy wKQy Ki

`eb Zvnj mB AbycvZB w`Z ne|
ck : Kxfve gvbZ KievGUv GKUz eywSq ejj fvjv nq|
Di : Avcwb wbqZ KiZ cvib, G KvRUv hw` nq hvq Zvnj GB
cwigvY A_ gvwUi evsK `vb Kiev| KvRUv nq Mj mUv Kieb|
ck : Avwg ek KqKw`b AvM GKwU KvRi Rb gvwUi evsK Pvi
nvRvi UvKv gvbZ Kwi| BZvga KvRwUZ mvdj cvB| wK GLb
Avgvi Ggb mvg_ bB h, H UvKvUv w`Z cviev| Avwg Kx Kiev?
Di : GLb Kx KiebhUzKz UvKv nq, hUzKz w`Z cvibcZKw`b
GUv w`q `eb Pvi nvRvi UvKv c~iY bv nIqv ch| hw` gb Kib
GLb cuvP UvKv w`Z cvieb, Zv cuvP UvKvB `eb| hgb, Kvbv
evsK hw` Avcbvi AbK FY nq hvq Avi Avcwb FYLjvwc nq
cob, ZLb Avcwb hw` wKQy wKQy Ki evsK w`Z _vKb ZLb evsK
Avi gvgjv Ki bv| GLvbI AbKUv Zv-B| gvbZ Pvi nvRvi UvKv|
wK AvQ gv cuvP UvKv, mvivw`b LvIqv-`vIqv Ki cuvP UvKv
euvPjvmUvB `vb Kib| Zey `vbLjvwc neb bv|
ck : gvwUi evsK gvbZi UvKv w`Z hw` `wi nq Zvnj Kvbv
Amyweav ne wK bv| Avgvi GKwU wekl KvRi Rb eo GgvDU gvbZ
wQjv| GKm w`Z GB gyn~Z Amyweav, ZvB ci w`Z PvwQ|
Di : gvbZ hw` c~iY nq hvq Zvnj AekB Zv w`Z ne| cwe
KviAvb G evcvi B ejv nqQ, mrKgkxjiv hLb Kvbv wKQyi
Iqv`v ev gvbZ Ki ZLb Zviv Zv c~iY Ki| Avcwb h Dk gvbZ
KiwQjb m KvRUv nq MQ| GLb kqZvb Pv Kie bvbv ARynvZ,
evav BZvw` mw Ki AvcbvK gvbZLjvwc KiZ|
KvRB mveavb _vKeb| Avcbvi eo GgvDU GKm w`Z
Amyweav, wVK AvQ, `qv Zv i Kib| Avj-vni KvQ ejyb, n
ce 2 \ mvdj

479

Avj-vn! GLb wKQy w`jvg, Aviv Gj Aviv `ev| AwZmi Zzwg

AvgvK gvbZi A_ Av`vqi mvg_ `vI|
ck : AbK mgq GKvwaK gvbZi UvKv Rgv nq hvq, wK nvZ ZLb
UvKv cqmv _vK bv, dj gvbZ mb KiZ AbK `wi nq, GUv wK
wZKi?
Di : GB h GKvwaK gvbZi UvKv Rgv nq hvqKx Kieb? G
evcvi Lye mnR civgk AvcbvK w`Z cvwi| hnZz Avcbvi UvKvcqmv Kg, gvbZ KiviB cqvRb bB| cZKw`b Avcwb wbqwgZ `vb
KiZ _vKzb| hv Avcwb w`Z cvib, w`Z _vKzb cZKw`b| Avcwb
`Leb h, Avcbvi ^vQ`, Avcbvi mvdj AvmZ _vKe|
Avgv`i GK MvRyqUi NUbv ewj| f`gwnjv KqK eQi AvM Zvi
^vgxK nvwiqQb| ^vfvweKfveB Gici _K Zvi msmvi Avw_K
Uvbvcvob i njv| DcvRb hv nZv Zv w`q gvmi AaK Avi evwK
mgq avi`bv Ki KvbviKg PjwQjv| Kvm Ki Zvi Qj hLb
gvwUi evsKi K_v bjv, gv-K Dy Kijv evsK UvKv ivLZ|
ejjv, gv, Zzwg cwZw`b Zvgvi hZUzKz BQvGK UvKv, `yB UvKv Ki
gvwUi evsK `vb KiZ _vKv|
f`gwnjv Zv-B Kijb| cZKw`b GK UvKv, `yB UvKv, cuvP UvKv
hLb evRvi LiP _K hv euvPvZ cviQb, gvwUi evsK `vb KiZ i
Kijb| Avi Gi ga w`q Zvi weqKi cwieZbi K_v wZwb
ejwQjb Kvmi cZqb AbyvbAyZ evcvi, wZb/ Pvi gvm hZ
bv hZB Avgvi msmvi Avq-ivRMvi evoZ jvMjv| bZzb bZzb
Avqi Drm mw njv| Uvbvcvob `~i nq Avgvi msmvi GLb
mQjZv Avi cvPyh nvZQvwb w`Q|
Avgiv gb Kwi h, `vb eomo cwigvY KiZ ne| Avmj `vb hv
AvQ Zv _KB KiZ nq| Avi wbqwgZ `vbUv nQ Lye iZc~Y|
Avgiv gvwUi evsK gvS gvS AbK UvKv ivwL wK wbqwgZ w`B bv|
GUv bq eis gvwUi evsKK `LZ ne cwievii Ggb GK m`mi
gZv, h DcvRbg| cwievi h DcvRb Ki, Avgiv hfve wbqwgZ
Zvi Avivg Avqk ^vQ`i evcvi Lqvj ivwL, gvwUi evsKKI wVK
480

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

IfveB `LZ ne| KviY Avj-vn ejQb, Zzwg `vI, Avwg cwZ`vb
`ev| Avi Avj-vni cwZ`vb AekB ewk nq| hgb, evev AbK
abxQj c_g DcvRb _K evevi Rb Dcnvi Gb ejjv h, evev,
Avwg c_g DcvRb KiwQ, Zvgvi Rb GUv wbq GmwQ| evev Kx
Kieb? mv_ mv_ evevi gb ne QjK wbq wMq Aviv AbK wKQy
wKb w`B| Avj-vni I, cfyi I wVK GKB evcvi| ZuvK
`qvi c_ nQ `y gvbyli Rb, AfveM`i Rb `qv Ges hLb
Avcwb ZuvK `b, ZLb mv H evevi PqI ewk m nb| Avi wZwb
hLb Gi cwZ`vb `b, Avcbvi `vbi Zzjbvq Zv AbK-AbK Y
ewk nq| Avi memgq gb ivLeb, bexRx (m) ejQb, m AvgjB
Dg hv wbqwgZ Kiv nq| AZGe wbqwgZ `vb mePq djcm~|
ck : KD hw` WWjvBb w`q Kvbv wKQy gvbZ Ki Ges WWjvBbi
ga hw` gvbZ c~Y bv nq, hw` AbK ci gvbZ c~Y nq, m D
`vb wK ZvK KiZ ne?
Di : G ckwU nQ `vbK Kxfve duvwK `qv hvq, cvk KvUvbv hvq,
`vb bv Ki cviv hvq mRb| Avmj Avgv`i Rb KjvYKi nQ
Kxfve Ges KZfve Avgiv `vb KiZ cvwi| `vbi mv_, gvbZi
mv_ WWjvBbi Kvbv mK bB| gvbZi mK KvRi mv_|
KvRUv hw` nq hvq, Zvnj gvbZ c~iY KiZ ne| Avcwb gvbZ bv
Kib fvjv, wK gvbZ Kij Zv cyiv KiZ ne| Zv bv nj Avcwb
`vqe _K hvQb|
nqZv Ggb Kvbv wec` ev AKjvY NUZ cvi, hv Avcbvi
RxebK Aviv Awi Akvwgq Ki ZzjZ cvi| GRb WWjvBb
w`q gvbZ Kieb bv| KvR nq Mj `vb KiebGB wbqZ gvbZ
Kieb| KvRUvB nQ kZ| AZGe KvR nq Mj GwU c~iY Kieb|
hw` KvR bv nq Zvnj gvbZ c~iY Kivi Kvbv cqvRb bB|
ck : KD hw` gvwUi evsK gvbZ Ki wKQy UvKv `qhb m Kvbv
wbw` vb fwZ nZ cvi| nVvr m wmv wbjv, fwZ ne bv| ZvB
digI wKbjv bv| Ze wK gvbZi UvKv w`Z ne?
ce 2 \ mvdj

481

Di : bv, Zvnj Avi gvbZi UvKv `qvi `iKvi bB| KviY gvbZi
UvKv ZLbB w`Z ne hLb gvbZ c~iY nq|
ck : Avwg GKRbi KvQ GK j 50 nvRvi UvKv cZvg| mB UvKv
diZ cvwQ bv ej wbqZ Kijvg, hw` cyiv UvKvUv cvB Zvnj Zvi
10% wnme 15 nvRvi UvKv gvwUi evsK `ev| wK wZwb AvgvK
gv 15 nvRvi diZ w`q Avi w`Z cvieb bv ej Ggbfve gv
Pvb h, Avwg gb wbB| GLb ck njv, Zvnj Avgvi wbqZ Kxfve
c~iY Kiev?
Di : GLvb `yUv evcvi AvQ| c_gZ, Avcwb gvbZ KiwQjb
cvIbv UvKv cj Zvi 10% `vb Kieb| wK Avcwb cyiv UvKv cvb
wb, cqQb gv 15 nvRvi UvKv| Avcwb ZvB GLb GB 15 nvRvii
10% `vb KiZ cvibZvnj Avcwb wdKvn, AvBb ev kwiqZi
`wZ wVK _vKjb| wK AviKwU `wfw njv, Avj-vni cwZ Avcbvi
fvjevmv, AvKzwZ Ges `vbi ZvrchK Avcwb Kxfve Abyfe Kib
mUv| Avcbvi `bv`vii AcviMZvK Abyaveb Ki ZvK gv Ki
`qvi h KvRwU Avcwb KiQb, Zv AekB GKwU cyYi KvR|
GKUv welq Lqvj Ki `Lyb, h cwigvY wbqZ KiQb m cwigvY
UvKv-B wK Avcwb cqQb| Avcwb 15 nvRvi UvKv wbqZ KivZB
GK j 35 nvRvi UvKv gvd KiZ ciQb| GLb Avj-vnK ejZ
cvib h, n Avj-vn! GB UvKvUv Avwg Mwie`i Rb hnZz wbqZ
KiwQjvg, Zv`i RbB w`wQ| eiKZ `qvi gvwjK Zzwg| Zzwg Avgvi
m` eiKZ `vb Ki|
ck : GKwU Drm _K cvIbv UvKv cq KvqvUvg `ev ej wbqZ
KiwQjvg| wK MZ `yeQi m~Y UvKv bv cq Lye A cwigvY UvKv
KqK fvM cqwQ| G Aevq Kx KiYxq?
Di : cvmUR w`Z _vKb| hv cqQb Zvi cvmUR `b|
ck : gvbZ Kij memgq KvR nq bv| GZ GmvwmqU`i gvS
gvwUi evsK weZiY KiZ mvnm cvB bv| cvQ Avevi cZviK ej|
482

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Di : Avmj gvbZ gvb Kx? KvR nj Avcwb UvKv ivLQbKvR bv

nj ivLQb bv| hvK weZiY Kieb ZvK GUvB ejeb h, Zvi hw`
KvRUv nq, ZvnjB hb wZwb ivLb| bv nj bq| GLvb Avcbvi
cZviK nIqvi Zv Kvbv KviY bB| AZGe Avcwb wbtmsKvP
ejZ cvib h, Bbkvj-vn Avcbvi DcKvi ne|
ck : `vbi A_ I gvbZi A_i cwigvY wbaviY Kiev Kxfve?
Di : GZ RwUjZvi ga Kb hvb? gvbZ hfve cvib mfve w`b;
GZ wnmve-wbKvki `iKvi bB| mvK ejyb, n cfy, Avwg Zv
wnmve-wbKvk eywS bvhv cvwi w`jvg| evwKUv Zzwg `Lv|
ck : KD hw` gvbZ Ki Zvi cymvb nj gvRvi hve wK gvRvi
hZ cvi wb, G wK gvwUi evsK `vb Kiv hvq? Kxfve A_i
cwigvY wbavwiZ ne|
Di : Avmj gvbZ ejZ hUv Avgiv eywS, mUv nQ mvi mwi
Rb| gvbZ Kv_vI hvIqvi Rb bq, mvi mwi Rb Kiv DwPZ|
GiKg hw` nq, Lye mnR Dcvq nQ h, mvi mwi Rb Avcwb
hKvbv cwigvY A_ gvwUi evsK `vb KiZ cvib| hnZz GB
`vbUv mwi KjvY eq ne|
ck : evmv cvvbvi mgq gvwUi evsKi UvKv Pzwi nq MQ| GUvZ
Avgvi ezi `qv wKQy UvKvI wQjv| GLb Avgvi Kx KiYxq?
Di : G Avcwb wKQy bv-I KiZ cvib| Avevi hw` mvg_ _vK
Zvnj GKUv cwigvY ai gvwUi evsK eve` w`qI w`Z cvib|
GgbI Zv nZ cviZv h, gvwUi evsK _K bv nq Avcbvi cKU
_KB Pzwi nq Mj! mUv hLb nq wb Zv Pzwi hv nqQ mUvK mv`Kv
wnmeB ai wbb, mBmv_ Aviv wKQy w`q w`b| Avkv KiwQ, GZ
Avcbvi Akvw `~i ne, ezi `vbi UvKv Lvqvbv wbq h A
Zv-I wgUe| Avi `vbi cwZ`vb Zv AvQB|
ce 2 \ mvdj

483

wbqZ c~iY bv nj
ck : gvwUi evsK AbK wbqZ Ki `vb KiwQ| dj nq wb| hgb,
GK cixvq mvdj jvfi Rb cixv wdmi mgvb A_ wbqZ KiI
dj nq wb| hw`I cwZ fvjv wQjv|
Di : cixvq mvdji Rb Zv ay wbqZ KivB h_ bq| cixvq
fvjv iRvi Rb `iKvi mwVK wbqg jLvcov Ges cixv fvjv
`qv| hw` mviveQi wbqwgZ covjLv bv Kib Ges cixvq fvjv
Kivi wb`kbvjv AbymiY bv Kib, Zvnj hZ cwigvY gvbZ-B
Kib bv Kb, dj cveb bv|
Avevi Avcwb hUvK fvjv cwZ ejQb, Avcbvi KvQ fvjv gb
njI Avmj nqZv Zv fvjv cwZ bv-I nZ cvi| Avgv`i AbK
QvQvxB fve h, Lye fvjv cixv w`qwQ| A_P b^i Zv cjvg bv|
Zviv Avmj fvjv cixv `q wb| nqZv AbK wjLQ wK evbvb
fyj wKsev Di fyj w`qQ| wK iRv Lvivc nj Zviv Zv gb
wbZ cvi bv|
KvRB cixvq fvjv Kivi Rb AvcbvK covkvbv I fvjv
iRvi m~jv AbymiY KiZ ne Ges mwZKvifve fvjv cwZ
wbZ ne| ZLbB gvwUi evsK `vb djcm~ ne| cixv fvjv `qvi
ci iRv fvjv nIqvi Rb AvbylwK h cqvRbhgb, cixKi
h_vh_ g~jvqb cvIqv, Ueyjkb wkU MMvj bv nIqv BZvw`
welqjvZ Avcwb `vbi eiKZ cveb| wK fyj evbvb ev fyj Di
wjLQb Avi `vbi eiKZ cixvi LvZvq Zv wVK nq Avcwb fvjv
iRv cq hvebGgbUv Kbv KivUv evKvwgiB bvgvi|
ck : gvbZ Kivi mwVK cwZ Kx? Avwg GKwU KvRi Rb wbw`
cwigvY A_ gvwUi evsK gvbZ Kwi| wKQyw`b ci KvRwU ZvovZvwo
nIqvi Rb GKZZxqvsk AvMvg gvwUi evsK ivwL| ZviciI KvRwU
nq wb| Avevi bZzb Ki gvbZ Kwi| wK KvRwU GLbv nq wb| GLvb
Dj-L KiwQ h, KvRwU 100% hywmZ Ges Avgvi wbR^ PvKwi
msv| gvbZ Kivi Rb Kvbv wbw` wbqg AvQ wK bv|
484

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Di : Avcbvi Dk hv-B nvK, KvRwU nj Avcwb h myweav cveb

Zvi Ici gvbZ Ki ivLyyb| gvbZ c~iY bv nIqv ch A_ evovZ
_vKzb| Ze gvbZi cvkvcvwk AvcbvK KvRwU mb Kivi cwqvi
gaI hZ necwqvi Rb mgq w`Z ne|
Avcbvi cUe_v nqQ, Avcwb GLbB gvbZ Kijb, `yNv ci
Avcbvi cUe_v Pj hZ cvi| GUv GK aibi gvbZ| wK Avcwb
PvKwii Rb gvbZ KiQb| mUv hywmZwVK AvQ| wK Gi mv_
Avw_K evcvi RwoZ Ges civfve Acic RwoZ| PvKwii GKwU
cwqv iqQ| Avi G mewKQyi RbB mgq `iKvi| m ch Zv
AvcbvK mei KiZB ne|
ck : gvwUi evsK UvKv ivLvi ciI wbqZ cyiY nq bv| KiYxq Kx?
Di : KiYxq nQ h, wbqwgZ `vb Kiv I cqvRbxq c`c bqv|
meii mv_ KvR Kij, mgq nj mr wbqZ c~iY neB|

AvwZK wk \ i`vb \ gywPvj \ gZzevwlKx

ck : Avwg 100 evPi GKRb MvRyqU| KvqvUvg wkKvbbi GKwU
wkK Avwg AvwZK wk wnme MnY Ki Zvi Rb evwlK GKUv A_
c`vb KiZvg| mcwZ Avgvi fvBqi Kvvi aiv covq Zvi wPwKrmvi
eq wbevni myweav_ fewQjvg, AvwZK wki LiPUv Avi `ev bv|
wK Gi gaB GKw`b ^c `Ljvg, KqKwU QvU evPv Avgvi KvQ
Gm Kx hb PvQ| mv_ mv_B Avwg GK eQii cyiv UvKv Awdm
wMq w`q Gjvg|
Di : Avmj Avcwb h_v_ KvR KiQb| KviY Avj-vn wbR ejQb,
GwZgi gv_vi Ici hvi nvZ _vK, Zvi gv_vi Ici _vK Avgvi nvZ|
Ggb nZ cvi h, AvwZK wki Rb GB eqi Dwmjvq mv Avcbvi
fvBqi ivMKK jvNe Ki w`Z cvib| KviY ivMgywi Rb
`vqv hiKg, `vbI miKg iZc~Y| Avcwb nqZv wk`i
AvwiKfveB fvjevmb, mRbB Zviv ^cI Pj GmQ|
ce 2 \ mvdj

485

ck : KvDK i `qv wK `vbi ga co? i`vbi agxq ev

kvixwiK iZ Kx? Avwg Kv_vq i w`Z cvwi?
Di : AekB i`vb Dg `vb| agxq w`K _KI i`vb AZ cyY
ev mIqvei KvR| Avj-vn ejbGKRb gvbyli Rxeb iv Kiv mgM
gvbeRvwZi Rxeb iv Kivi gZv gnvb KvR|(m~iv gvq`v : 32)|
Avcwb i w`q GKRb gvbyli Rxeb iv KiQb|
ay cyYB bq, i`vb Avcwb kvixwiKfveI DcKZ neb|
cixvq `Lv MQ, i`vb Kivi 48 Nvi gaB `n ii cwigvY
^vfvweK nq hvq| Avi jvwnZ KwYKvi NvUwZ c~iY nZ mgq jvM
Pvi _K AvU mvn| i `qvi mv_ mv_ `ni evbgviv bZzb
jvwnZ KwYKv Zwii Rb Dx nq| Avi eQi wZbevi i`vb
`ni jvwnZ KwYKvjvi cvYeZv evwoq i`vZvi mvweK myZv
Avi KggZvKB evwoq `q|
wbqwgZ ^Qv i`vZviv `yivivM ivM-evwa _K mvaviYZ gy
_vKb| wmGbGb cwiPvwjZ GK MelYvq `Lv hvq, i hw` jni
cwigvY ewk _vK Zvnj Kvjiji AwWkbi cwigvY eo
hvq, agbx wZM nq, djvdj `ivMi SyuwK ew| wbqwgZ i w`j
`n GB jni cwigvY Kg, hv `ivMi SyuwKKI Kwgq `q
KvhKixfve|
dvwiWv e-vW mvwfmi GK Rwic `Lv MQ, hviv wbqwgZ i
`b, Zv`i nvU-GUvKi SyuwK Ab`i Pq 88 fvM Kg Ges
vKmn Abvb gvivZK `ivMi SyuwK 33 fvM Kg|
wgjvi-wKvb e-vW mUvii GK MelYvq `Lv hvq, wbqwgZ i
w`j Kvvii SyuwK Kg| wekl Ki, dzmdzm wjfvi Kvjb cvKjx
I Mjvi Kvvii SzuwK wbqwgZ i`vZv`i AbK Kg|
Avi i`vbi Rb PgrKvi wbivc` RvqMv njv KvqvUvg jve|
Avcbvi eqm 18-60 eQi Ges IRb Kgc 48 KwR nj Pvi gvm
ci ci Avcwb GLvb i w`Z cvieb| i`vb Lye mnR I wbivc`
ejB MZ 12 eQi cvq cb `yB jvL i`vZv KvqvUvg ^Qv
i`vb Kvhg i w`qQb| Avi G i _K DcKZ nqQb mvqv
Pvi jvL gyg~ly gvbyl|
486

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Avcwb i `qvi Rb hKvbv mgq kvwbMi KvqvUvg jve

AvmZ cvib| mB mv_ Avcbvi Rbw`bK gnxqvb Ki ivLZ cvib
i`vbi ga w`q|
ck : gywPvj Rgv ivLvi AbygwZ wK ay MvRyqU`i? Avgiv wK
wkKvbbi mvb`i Rb GB gnr KvR Ask wbZ cvwi?
Di : gywPvj ay MvRyqU ev cv-gvvi bv, cZKiB ivLv DwPZ|
KviY, imyjyj-vn (m) ejQb, cwZekxK Afy iL h cU cyi Lvq
m gymjgvb bq, m wekvmx bq| wK GLbKvi mgvReevUvB Ggb
h, cwZekx LqQb wK bvm LuvR bqvi myhvM Avgv`i nq bv|
Avevi wbZ PvBjI mnRfve mUv nqZv Kiv hvq bv| cwZekxB
nqZv m`n Ki|
GRbB gywPvj| Gi wbqg nQ, Avcbvi cwievii Rb fvZ ivbv
KiZ h cwigvY Pvj beb, mLvb _K GK gyw Pvj Zzj ivLeb|
Dk njv, cU cyi Lj h cwigvY jvMZv mLvb _K Pvj Zzj
ivLjvg, cU cyi Ljvg bv| Gfve cwZw`b ivbvi mgq Pvj Rwgq
`yB/ wZb mvn ci hLb ek cwigvY ne, ZLb m PvjUv gc Zvi
`vgUv dvDkb w`q `qv| Avi wbRi KvQ PvjUv iL `qv|
Zvnj nv`xmi gg Abymvi AvcbviI cU cyi LvIqv njv bv Ges
imyjyj-vn (m)-Gi wb`kI AbymiY Kiv njv| Avgiv cZKB wbqwgZ
G KvRwU KiZ cvwi|
ck : mvgb Avgvi evevi gZzevwlKx| Zvi AvZvi kvw Kvgbvq
Kxfve `vb Kiv DwPZ? AbyMn Ki Avcbvi gZvgZ Rvbveb|
Di : evevi gZzevwlKx cvjb Kivi Rb Avgiv h cvwicvwkK
msvi Ave nq cowQGi Pq Lvivc Avi wKQy bB| Gi ga
bjvg, iscyi Avgv`i GK MvRyqUi evev gviv MQb| Zv`i Mvgi
iIqvR njv, KzjLvwbi w`b Avkcvki mevBK GKevi Mi RevB
Ki LvIqvZ ne| 10/15 w`bi ga AviKevi Ges 40 w`bi mgq
cyiv MvgevmxK Avevi LvIqvZ ne|
ce 2 \ mvdj

487

cwievii KD gviv Mj AwaKvsk B G mg gRevbx KiZ

wMq Avgiv ZvwjKv KwiKx Kx c`i Lvevi LvIqvbv ne| iRvjv,
iv Aviv AbK aibi Lvevi _vKZ ne| Kb? gZi `vqv
AbyvbGUv wK Kvbv Avb`Drme? GKUv gZzevwlKx D`hvcb KiZ
wMq Avgiv h eq Kwi, Zv hw` Avgiv gvbyli KjvY, GwZgAmnvqi KjvY, GKRb gvbylK wkwZ ev ^vej^x Kivi KvR eq
KiZvg, Zvnj mUv nZv mwZKvii mv`vKv Ges m`Kvq-Rvwiqv
wnme Zv _K hZ| m`Kvq-Rvwiqv nQ Ggb mrKg hvi mIqve
Avcwb Avcbvi gZzi ciI cZ _vKeb| h KviY Avgiv memgq
Dy KwiAcPq bq, mrKvR eq Kivi Rb|
Amnvq wk`i AvjvwKZ gvbyl wnme Mo Zvjv, wUDeIqj
vcbGjvI m`Kvq-Rvwiqv| Avcbvi gig evevi bvg Avcwb
GKUv wUDeIqj vcbi A_ `vb KiZ cvib| KviY we cvwbi
msvb Kiv Dg mv`vKv| Awj-eyRyM, gywb-Fwl`i I Avgiv `wL,
Kv_vI Mj c_gB Zviv GKUv `xwN Lbb KiZbhv nvRviv
gvbylK hvMvZv we cvwb|

488

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

GwMq hvb
GwM

ce 2 \ mvdj

489

490

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

mvgb GZ nj
ck : mdjZvi Rb mvgb GZ nj KvbUv ewk `iKvi`Zv bv
mZZv? KLbv gb nq `Zv, KLbv gb nq mZZv| Avmj Kx ne?
Di : Avmj elwqK kwi DrKli cZxK `Zv| Avi bwZK kwi
DrKli cZxK mZZv| mvdji Rb `Zv Ges mZZv `yUvB
`iKvi| Ze ewk `iKvi mZZv| KviY `Zv mZZv mw KiZ cvi
bv| wK mZZv `Zv mw KiZ cvi|
ewRxeb hZ aibi AwfZv, `Zv ev wWwM hv-B _vKzK bv
Kb, mZZv hw` bv _vK Zvnj `Zv KLbv cvPzh AvbZ cvi bv|
eis Zv msMn I fvMi nv evovq| mB mv_ evovq Avmw I
`y`kv| wK `Zvi mv_ hLb mZZv _vK ZLb Zv mev I `vbi
nvKB evwoq `q| mZZvi cwqvB nQGwU `Zv mw Ki
wbRK cwiYZ Ki Abi wekZvi K`we`yZ| GKRb gvbyli
fZi _K hLb bwZK I AvwZK kw RvMZ nq ZLb `Zv AvcbvAvcwbB mw nqcwiwwZ ZvK ` Ki Zvj|
G cm Avie`i cvim weRqi D`vniYwU `qv hZ cvi
cvim weRqi mgq gnvexi igi wei hy Kivi Rb hLb
bvwg`vwg mbvcwZ KvDKB KvQ cjb bv, ZLb Lwjdv Igi mbvcwZ
gbvbxZ Kijb mv` web Avey IqvvmK, hvi hy cwiPvjbvq Kvbv
c~e AwfZv wQjv bv| hy wekvj cvimevwnbx nvwZ mvgb wbq
AMmi nQ| mbvcwZ ig GKUv DuPz RvqMvq nvwZi wcV nvI`vq
em `~i _K Avie evwnbxi RxYkxY Aev `L nvmQbG Zv
wKQyYi LvivK!
Avey Iqvvm eySjb, mivmwi hy myweav Kiv hve bv| wZwb
AvZwbgM njb| eyw ewiq Gjv| Zxi`vR cavbK wb`k w`jb
mvgbi h nvwZUvK AbymiY Ki `ycvki nvwZjv ej-gi djvi
gZv GMvQIUvi `yB PvL Zxi gviZ ne| mePq ` Zxi`vR
`j Aevb wbjv| cwkwZ nvwZi cvj GwMq AvmQ, nvwZi cQb
jvLv mb| 50 nvZi ga Avmvi mv_ mv_ `yRb Zxi`vR `ywU Zxi
gvijb| `ywUB wMq weuajv bZv nvwZi `yPvL| Zxi XvKvi mv_
ce 2 \ mvdj

491

mv_ A nq nvwZ cQb Nyi Mj| bZv nvwZK w`K cwieZb KiZ
`L evwK nvwZjvI cQb Nyi Mj|
Avie evwnbxi cwieZ cyiv cvim evwnbx nvwZi cvqi wbP wc
nq Qf nq Mj| wecyj msLK mb nZvnZ njv| mbvcwZ ig
nvwZi nvI`v _K bg Nvov wbq cvjvZ wMq wbnZ njb| Rqx
njv Avieiv| A_vr Zv`i mymwZ wekvj evwnbx bv _vKjI bwZK
kwZ hnZz Zviv DxweZ wQjb, gwK eenvi Ki bZzb
iYKkj Aej^b AwPiB Zviv ` nq DVwQjb Ges weRq ZvivB
cqQb| AenwjZ cv`c` Rbc`i ALvZ gvbylivB ZLbKvi `yB
mycvicvIqvi ivgvb I cvim mvgvRi cZb NUvq| cb Ki GK
bZzb mfZvi|
MZ kZvwZ Pqvigvb gvIqi bZZ jvjdRI GKBfve 15
eQii hy wPqvs KvBkKi wekvj mymwZ evwnbxK chy` Ki Pxb
KgywbRg cwZv Ki| jvjdRi mbvcwZmn mvaviY mwbK
cPwjZ A_ KviviB Kvbv mvgwiK Uwbs wQjv bv| bwZK kwB
Zv`i ga wPqvs KvBkKK nVvbvi cqvRbxq `Zv mw Ki|
Avevi `Zv AvQ, wK mZZv bBGgb nj Zv KjvY eq Avb
bv| KviY m gvbweKZvi `wKvY jvc cvq Ges `vbexq jvjyc
`wfw Zwi nq| hKvbv Dcvq jvfevb nIqvi evmbvq mZZvK
wemRb `qvi gvbwmKZv Zwi nq| Avgv`i Pvicvk GZ ARm `ybxwZ,
fRvj, cZviYvmeB Zv bwZKZvewRZ ` jvK`iB KxwZ!
ay `Zvi cwiYvg `y`kv-Akvw| AbK K Ki ` njb`
nIqvi ci Avcbvi `y`kv, Akvw Aviv evojv| hiKg wmGbGb-Gi
gvwjK UW Uvbvi| GZ K Ki wmGbGb Kijb| GLb Avi UW
Uvbvi gvwjK bB, GLb Gi gvwjK UvBg Iqvbvi Kvvwb| Gi ga
Lei `Ljvg, AvgwiKvZ bvwK GK gvm GZ ewk msLK wmBI
c`ZvM KiQ, hv Gi AvM KLbv Ki wb| Kb? KviY bvbviKg
gvwbcyjkb Avi `ybxwZi AwfhvM|
AvgwiKvi eZgvb A_bwZK g`vi Rb `vqx Kiv nQ nvfvWi
GgweG Kiv ` gvbRvi`i| BDivci eo eo evsK jvjevwZ
Rvjvbvi cQbI KvR KiQ GB ` wmBI`i `ybxwZ| A_vr ay
`Zv jvf, Avmw Avi AbwZKZvi cmvi NUvq hv cwiYvg ay mB
492

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

ewi bq, MvUv mgvRB WK Avb `y`kv, Akvw|

hyiv GLb cw_exi mePq mg wkvbZ `k| weki 55%
m` Zvi AwaKvi| wK gvwKb miKvi GLbv GUv ejZ cvi bv h,
`k mvnvh bqvi gZv Kvbv jvK bB, ewZ ivvi cvk KD
ivZ KvUvq bv, bv Lq KD _vK bv| ejZ cvi bv, GKRb bvix
alYi Avkv QvovB w`b ev ivZ wbDBqK knii hKvbv ivvq
PjvPj KiZ cvi| 2011 mvj wbDBqKi Iqvj wU AKzcvB Iqvj
wU ev Iqvj wU `Lj Ki Av`vjb cKvk cqQ msLvMwi
ewZ gvbyli KiY Aev| bZvnxb GB ^ZtZ Av`vjbKvix`i
`vwe wQjvmePq abx gv 1% gvbyli nvZ h m` KzwMZ nq
AvQ, Zv mylg eb Ki w`Z ne A_bwZK elgi wkKvi evwK
99% gvbyli gvS|
Avevi BwZnvmi w`K ZvKvb| GLb _K 1400 eQi AvM
Lvjvdvq ivk`vi hyMi kl `yB `kK Avie `vb ev hvKvZ bqvi
gZv KD wQjv bv| Aviei GK cv _K AviK cv GKRb bvix
GKv Pj hZ ciQb, c_ Kvbv wec`i Avkv QvovB| GUvB
nQ mZZv Ges `Zvi ga cv_K|
1400 eQi AvM Avie h gvbyljv memgq wj _vKZv nvbvnvwb
jyUcvU, KbvwkK Rxe gvwUZ cuyZ djv wQjv hv`i mvgvwRK
HwZn, mB gvbyljvB icvwiZ nqwQjv gvbweKZvi cZxK| GB
cwieZb me nqwQjv bwZK kwi Dvbi dj|
Avmj cwZwU gvbewkB fvjv gvbylic RbMnY Ki| mvaviYZ
Lvivc cvwicvwkKZvi KviY fvjv Y Pvcv co Lvivc ewkjv
cKU nq IV| wK h Ai Wye w`Z cvi, cvwicvwkKZv hZ
LvivcB nvK bv KbZvi fZii bwZK kw weKwkZ neB| Avi
bwZK kwi ARvMiY ZvK me welqB chvqg ` Ki Zzje|
m ARb Kie KvwZ mvdj|
ck : KvqvUvg g_W Kvm Kivi c~e Kvbv KvR bvq-Abvq, fvjvg` wK bv Zv wePvi bv Ki ZvrwYK Ki djZvg| GLb bvq-Abvq,
fvjv-g` wePvi-wek-lY gbi fZi Avmvq AbK wKQyB KiZ cvwi
bv| gb nQ gk fxZz nq hvwQ, gk wcwQq hvwQGi _K
ce 2 \ mvdj

493

cwivYi Dcvq Kx? GUv ay Avwg bv, Aviv AbKiB nQ| `qv Ki
wevwiZ AvjvPbv Kib|
Di : Avmj bvq-Abvq, fvjv-g` GB wePviUvB nQ gvbexq|
GUvB bwZK kw| GUv KiZ cviQb ejB Avcwb gvbyl nIqvi c_
AMmi nZ cviQb| bvq-Abvq fvjv-g` wePvi-weePbv hw` bv
_vK, Zvnj gvbyl Ges Rvbvqvii ga Kvbv ZdvZ _vKe bv| hw`
ZvrwYKfve KvR Ki djb Ges ci AbyZ nbGZ Kx nq?
AvnvK AvM KvR Ki, ci wPv Ki| Avi eywgvb AvM wPv Ki
ci KvR Ki| Avgiv eywgvb nZ wkLwQ, gvbyl nZ wkLwQ|
bvq-Abvq, fvjv-g` wePvii gZv h Avgv`i AvQ, GwU
AZ f jY| wK GwU hb Avgv`i fxZ bv Ki| hw` fxZz nq
hvb, Avcwb civwRZ njb| h fq cjv, m kl nq Mj| Zvi viv
cw_exZ wKQy ne bv| Zvi bvq-AbvqiI wKQy bB| GKRbK ai
Avcwb Nywl w`Z cvib, wK w`jb bv| Kb w`jb bv? KviY Nywl
`qvUv Abvq| GLvb Avcwb gvbyl wnme cwiPq w`jb|
Avi Avcwb ZvK Nywl w`Z cvib bv, m kwB Avcbvi gywZ
bBGRb Avcwb Nywl w`jb bv| GUv gvbexq bq, GUv AgZv| GB
cv_KUv eySZ ne| whwb bvq Kib wZwb memgq mvnmx| hKvbv
Abvqi mvgb wZwb mvnmx| Kx ne? gviv-B Zv hvev| AZGe bvqAbvq weePbv hvi AvQ, whwb mZi c~RvwiwZwb memgqB mvnmx|
ck : Avgv`i Pvicvk hviv mr Ges Abi KjvY wbew`Z Zviv
memgq wec`M nb| hviv Amr I Abi Agj Pvq, ZvivB memgq
fvjv _vK| G _K cwivYi Dcvq Kx?
Di : Avcbvi aviYv wVK bq| fvjv _vK ejZ Avcwb hv eywSqQb,
Zv njv Zv`i A_, gZv _vKZ cvi, wK Zviv KLbv fvjv _vK
bv| ckvMZ KviY mvaviY gvbyli `ytLK Avwg AbK KvQ _K
`LwQ| AvR ch Kvbv Amr, AbvqKvixK fvjv _vKZ `wL wb|
m AbK UvKv gZv kwi g`gZvi ga _vKZ cvi, wK fvjv
_vKZ cvi bv| KviY fvjv _vKZ nj fvjv gvbyl nZ ne|
494

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

ck : eZgvb mgq `Lv hvq h, cviwiK jb`b wcvwK mK

RovZ nq| hvi Rb Aea cv Aej^b KiZ nq| G Aevq
GKRb mr gvbyl wnme Avgvi KiYxq Kx?
Di : GKRb mr gvbyl kwnxb, hw` bv mvgwMK wmg mr nq,
h_vh_ nq| KviY, mgvRi AwaKvsk gvbylB hLb Amr ZLb wewQb mr
gvbylwUB nq co KvYVvmv, wbtm| Zvi mZZv, Av`kK evevwqZ
Kiv nq KwVb| AviKRb PvLi mvgb Abvq Ki MjI ZvwKq
`Lv Qvov Zvi Avi wKQy Kivi _vK bv| mgvRi AwaKvsk gvbylB hLb
`ybxwZ, webvkg DcvRb wbgwZ, ZLb Nyl/ Dcwii jb`b Pj
cKvkB| wK hLb AwaKvsk gvbylB wQjv mr, ZLb Abvq nZv
Mvcb| ZvB mr gvbyli msLv evovZ ne| mr gvbyli msLv hZ
evoe, hZ Zviv mNe ne, hZ Zviv ` ne ZZ `Z mgvR
e`jve| wmg e`jve| me ne bvq I bwZKZvi evevqb|

kLjv
ck : wbqwgZ gwWUkb, agKg Ges iwUb gb Pjvi gvag Avgiv
wK GK aibi kLj Ave nq hvwQ bv? A_P Avgiv PvB kLjgy
A_vr ^vaxb nq _vKZ| Avevi dvDkb ej, kLjvB kLjgywi
c_| kLjv Kxfve kLjgywi c_ nq?
Di : Avmj Avgiv ^vaxbZv ejZ AwaKvsk mgq ay wbRi ^vaxbZv
eywS| ^vaxbZv gvb h mevi ^vaxbZv GUv eywS bv| Avi GKgv
kLjvB cvi mevi ^vaxbZvK wbwZ KiZ| Avmj ^vaxbZv Ges
^QvPvwiZv ev mewKQzi wei we`vn, wbqgi wei we`vn ev
kLjvi wei we`vn GK welq bq| kLjvB Avmj ^vaxbZvK
wbwZ Ki Ges GRbB Avgiv ewj h, kLjvB kLjgywi c_|
kLjv nQ Abb gvbyli f~lY| Abb gvbyli hw` GKwU cvkvK
_vK, mUv nQ kLjv| KviY m wbR ^vaxb Ges GRb Abi
^vaxbZvK kv KiZ wkLQ| h wbR ^vaxb bq, m KLbv Abi
^vaxbZvK kv KiZ cvi bv|
ce 2 \ mvdj

495

Avmj RxebK Avcwb hZ kLjvc~Y KiZ cvieb ZZ Rxebi

ARb ewk ne| GUvB eywgvb`i c_| wbevaiv K ewk Ki, wK
AvDUcyU Kg nq| KviY wbevaiv kLjvK AbymiY Ki bv| A_P me
agB wbqgK iZ `qv nqQ| hw` wbqg iZc~Y bv nZv, Zvnj
mv KLbv wbqg AbymiY KiZ ejZb bv| GgbwK j Kij
`Leb, mw RMZI mewKQy wbqgiB Aaxb| Avgiv hw` kLjv bv
gvwb, h hvi gZv Pwj Zvnj KLbv mvK Dcjw KiZ cviev bv|
mvK Dcjw KiZ nj Zuvi wbqgK Abyaveb KiZ ne|
kLjv nQ Rxebi ^vaxbZvi g~j m~| Avcwb hZ wWwmwc-bW neb
ZZ Avcwb ^vaxb neb| ZvB kLjvi Rb mrmN GKvZ nZ ne,
bZZK AbymiY KiZ ne, bZZ c`vb KiZ ne, mgqvbyeZx nZ
ne, `vwqZkxj nZ ne, KZewb nZ ne|
ck : Abb gvbyl nIqvi Rb AvZwbqYi iZ KZUv?
Di : Avcwb wbR hw` Avcbvi RxebK wbqY KiZ cvib, Zvnj
Abi wbqY _K gy nZ cvieb| hLb wbRK wbqY Kieb,
ZLb Abb gvbyl nIqvi c_ Avcwb AMmi neb| Avi hw` wbRK
wbqY bv Kib, Avcbvi Ici kqZvbi wbqY cwZwZ ne| Avcbvi
cew, Avcbvi Lqvj AvcbvK wbqY Kie|
hgb, KLbv KLbv nqZv Ggb nqAvcbvi fvjv jvMQ bv,
fvejb, hvB, ez`i mv_ Avv w`q Avwm| mLvbI fvjv jvMQ
bv, Zvnj WvMm wbj nqZv fvjv jvMe| ezivI eje, LqB `L
bv, KZ fvjv jvM| KZnjekZ GKevi hLb Lveb Avcwb Avi m
c_ _K eivZ cvieb bv|
A_vr wbRK hw` wbR wbqY Kib, Avcbvi Ici AvZvi KZZ
cwZwZ ne, Avcwb Abb gvbyl neb| Avi wbRi wbqY hw` Abi
Ici Qo `b, Abiv AvcbvK wbqY Kie, Avcwb asmcv neb|
GRb ewRxeb wWwmwc-bW nZ ne| cwZw`bi KvRi iwUb
Abymvi PjZ ne| covkvbvi iwUb, Kgji iwUb, cvwievwiK
KZei iwUb, mvsMVwbK `vwqZi iwUbme KvR GKwU iwUbi ga
Pje| hZ iwUbi ga Pjeb, ZZ Avcwb mvgb GwMq hveb,
496

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

AvcbvK KD cQb djZ cvie bv| Avi Avcwb hZ gavex

nvbhw` iwUbi ga bv Pjb, Avcwb Rxeb c_g nZ cvieb bv,
kZKiv 99 Rb gvbyl Rxeb c_g nZ cvi wb| KviY Zviv wbRi
cewK wbqY Ki iwUb AbymiY KiZ cvi wb|
ck : AwiZvi Rb Avwg wQq Kvbv KvR KiZ cvwi bv| Kxfve
Avwg wQq KvR KiZ cviev?
Di : c_g AvcbvK wi nZ ne| Avi GRb `iKvi wbqwgZ
gwWUkb| mB mv_ cwZw`bi gwWUkb hw` Avcwb Avcbvi w`bi
KvRjvK AejvKb Kib, cwiKbv KibZvnjB `Leb cwZwU
KvR nQ wVK Avcbvi cQ`gZv MvQvbv Ges myweb|
Avmj Avgiv cvPzhevb nZ cvwi bvZvi GKwU cavb KviY njv,
Avgiv wQq KvR KiZ cvwi bv, mykLjfve KvR KiZ cvwi bv|
KvR AbK _vK, wK RU cvwKq hvq, Gjvgjv nq hvq|
iwUbgvwdK KiZ cvwi bv, dj klch jvMmB wKQy nq IV bv|
KvqvUvgi fvlvq, Avgiv KvRi mywebvmvqb KiZ cvwi bv| Avmj
mykLjfve KvR KiZ nj AvcbvK AvM ckv nZ ne| GRb
wbqwgZ gwWUkb Kib| gbQwe wi Kib| gnr j _vKj Rxeb
Av Av mykLj nq DVe| Avcwb wQq KvR KiZ cvieb|
ck : Kge myLx Rxeb ejZ ejZ eZv GZ eoQ h, 24 Nvq
w`b AbK QvU nq MQ| 30 Nvq w`b nj fvjv nZv| GLb Kx
Ki mg^q Kiev? Avcbvi civgk cqvRb|
Di : Avj-vni Kwiqv Av`vq Kieb| KviY hZ cwikg KiZ
cvieb ZZ fvjv _vKeb| Ze ay e _vKjB ne bv| MvavI e
_vK| wK Mvavi cwikgi dj Abiv cvq| AvcbvK cwikgi dmj
wbRi Ni ZzjZ ne| GRb wbqwgZ `yejv gwWUkb Kieb|
avbZx_ KvqvUvgg KvqvUvqb Kieb| mywebvmvqb Ki KvRjv
Kieb| Avcwb 24 Nvq 40 Nvi KvR KiZ cvieb|
ce 2 \ mvdj

497

AvZchvjvPbv
ck : AvZg~jvqb welqwU Kx?
Di : wbRK g~jvqbi cwqvi bvgB AvZg~jvqb| AvZg~jvqb
nQ wbRi mv_ wbRi cwZhvwMZv h, MZKvj Avwg KZUzKz KiZ
ciwQ Avi AvRK Avwg KZUzKz KiZ cvijvg| GwU GKvB
Avcbvi| GB AvZchvjvPbv, AvZg~jvqb hw` GK eQi wbqwgZ
cwZw`b Kib, `Leb, GKRb mr Ges ` gvbyl wnme Avcwb
Avcbvi Pvicvki gvbyli AvKlYi K`we`yZ cwiYZ nqQb|
KviY h wbRi wePvi wbR Ki, m Abi wePvi memgq DZi hvq|
h wbRi wePvi wbR Ki bv, m Abi wePvi DZivZ cvi bv|
wbRK g~jvqbi Rb KiYxq-eRbxq wbq GKUv wkU Zwi Ki
cwZw`b c~iY Ki wbRi KvQ ivLZ cvib| G evcvi cqvRb
dvDkbi mnhvwMZv wbZ cvib|
ck : wKQy bwZevPK KvR cwiZvM KiZ Avwg AvcvY Pv Kwi, wK
cvwi bv| evi evi Ki dwj, AbyZ nB, ZIev Kwi wK Avevi Kwi|
Di : wbRi fZiUvK kvaivbvi Pv Kieb| hZevi fyj Kieb,
ZZeviB DV `uvoveb| wbqwgZ AUvmvRkb `eb, gwWUkb
Kieb Ges mrmN _vKeb| KviY AwaKvsk mgqB gvbyl Lvivc wPv
Ki hLb m GKv _vK| ivZ wbRb gyn~Z Kz-wPv ewk Avm|
memgq fvjv KvRi ga _vKzbAvcwb Amr KvR Kivi, Lvivc wPv
Kivi myhvM cveb bv| ivZ wbRb gyn~ZI mN wbq, gbQwe wbq wPv
Kib| memgq fvjv KvR e _vKzb, Avcwb fvjv _vKeb|
ck : Avwg Zv KvMR iwUb Ki KvR Kwi, wK mgmv nQ Nygvevi
AvM h wnme gjvevi K_v, mB wnmeB Avwg wVKgZv KiZ cvwi
bv, GKUz mvnvh Kib|
Di : Avwg mvnvh Kij Zv jvf ne bv| KviY, Avcbvi ILvb
Avgvi hvIqvi Kvbv myhvM bB| wbRi mvnvh wbRKB KiZ ne|
498

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Gici Nygvbvi AvM `uvwoq _vKeb h, wnme bv wgwjq Nygvev bv|

`Leb, Avcbvi AvZchvjvPbv wVK nQ| Avmj h ewnmwe, Zvi
bv cvPzh _vK, bv Zvi KvRi Kvbv kLjv _vK| Avcwb `Leb,
Mwie gvbyl`i wK Kvbv wnme bvB| Avi cw_exi hZ abx
gvbylZviv mevB wnmwe| AZGe wnmeUv Lye iZc~Y| wbRi wnmve
wbR beb, Avcwb memgq GwMq _vKeb|

wmv MnY
ck : wmv MnYi Kvb wmvK ewk cvavb `ev? hw` `ywU
wmvi gvS GKwUK MnY KiZ nqKvb Kvb w`K weePbv Ki
wmv bev?
Di : Lye mnR| h wmvwU Avcwb wbZ PvQb ZvK `ywU fvM fvM
Kibevgcvk myweav A_vr G wmvUv wbj Avcbvi Kx Kx jvf ne
Avi Wvbcvk Amyweav A_vr G wmvUv wbj Avcbvi Kx Kx wZ ne|
Gevi GB cqUjvi ga Zzjbv Kib h, jvfi Zzjbvq wZ wK
ewk bv Kg| hw` gb nq ewk, Zvnj wmvwU beb bv| Avi hw`
gb nq Kg, Zvnj beb| KviY GUvB mwVK wmv|
Avmj GB wmv wbZ cvivUv Lye iZc~Y| AbK AvQwmv
bv wbq GK aibi Avb` cvq Ges Giv wbRiv Kvbv wmv wbZ
Pvq bv| Giv Pvq, AviKRb wmv w`q w`K| ej, G KvRUv Zv
KiZ PvB, wK AviKRb ej w`K, Zvnj Kiev| KviY, hw`
KvbviKg Amyweav nq Zvnj hb ejZ cviAgyK ejwQjv, Avwg
Zv PvB wb| A_vr `vlUv hb Zvi Ici Pvwcq w`Z cvi| Avi
fvjv nj ej, `L, Avgvi wmv KZ mwVK|
Avmj wbRi `vwqZ wbRK wbZ ne| cqvRb fvbyavqx`i
civgk Avcwb wbZ cvib, wK gb ivLebRxeb Avcbvi, wmvI
AvcbvKB wbZ ne| wVK wmv wbqwQ, wVK AvQ; fyj hw` wbq
_vwK, AvwgB wbqwQ, AvwgB Gi gvKvejv Kiev| cwZwU mdj gvbyl
memgq wbRi `vwqZ wbR wbqQb| KLbv Abi Ici `vwqZ Pvwcq
`b wbwbRi mvdjI bv, e_ZvqI bv|
ce 2 \ mvdj

499

AZGe mdj gvbB meB mdj bq| BwZnvm hZ mdj gvbyl

AvQb, me wK Zviv mdj bb| hgb, GKRb mdj eemvqx
wK me eemvq mdj nb bvAwaKvsk mdj nb| hw` `kUv
eemv Kib, Zvi ga mvZUvZ wZwb mdj Avi evwK wZbUvZ nqZv
e_| Ze mdj Zv`iK ejv nq, hviv AwaKvsk mdj| wZwb
Zvi mvdj ev e_Zvi `vwqZ Kviv Ici Pvwcq `b bv, wZwb wbR
bb| GKRb wjWvi GKRb mdj gvbyl| Avcwb hw` wjWvi nZ Pvb,
AvcbvK `vwqZ wbZ wkLZ newbRi Ges Ab`i, mvdj Ges
e_Zv`yqiB| ZvnjB Avcwb mdj nZ cvieb| KviY h SuzwK
bq, mdj nIqvi mvebv ZviB ewk _vK|
ck : Avgiv AbK mgq AveMekZ AbK fyj wmv wbB, AbK fyj
KvR Kwi| wK hLb KvRUv Kwi ZLb eySZ cvwi bv h, GUv
AveMekZ wKsev AhwK| G aibi fyj mv_ mv_ aiZ cvivi
Dcvq Kx?
Di : GRb AvcbvK cvevb nZ ne| eySZ ne h, Avcbvi
AvRKi KvRi dj AvMvgx GK eQi, `yB eQi ev cuvP eQi ci Kx
ne? Avmj Avgiv AbK mgq gb Kwi h, GKwU fyj| wK GB
GKwU fyjB Rxeb asm Kivi Rb h_| Rxeb asm Kivi Rb
GKkUv fyji `iKvi bB| G cm GKUv mZ NUbv ejv hvq
GKevi GK jvK K gvQ aivi Rb cvwbZ bvgjv| GKUv aivi
ci `L mLvb Aviv gvQ| Zvi KvQ gvQ ivLvi wKQy wQjv bv| m
ZLb nvZi gvQUv gyL Kvgo aijv| Zvici nvZ w`q aiZ Mj
Aviv GKwU gvQ| Gw`K gyL Kvgo ivLv K-Uv ZocvZ ZocvZ
XyK Mj Zvi Mjvi fZi| GLb GUv bv gviv hvQ, bv Mjv w`q
bvgQ, bv evBi AvmQ| klgk jvKwU kvmi nq gvivB Mj|
QvU GKUv fyji cwiYvg ZvK Rxeb w`Z njv|
BwZnvmi w`K hw` ZvKvb1757 mvj cjvkxZ B Bwqv
Kvvwbi KvQ beve wmivR Djvi civRqi ga w`q `wY
Gwkqvq JcwbewkK kvmbi h m~Pbv njv, Zvi MvovZI wQjv GB
cvnxbZv, GB fyj| wmivRDjv hw` Zvi wei lohKvix `ji
500

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

bZv gxiRvdii K_v b hy e Kivi wb`k bv w`Zb, wZwb hw`

eySZ cviZb h, GB gyn~Z hy ei Av`k KZUv wechq wbq
AvmeZvnj fviZeli BwZnvm nqZv Abfve iwPZ nZv| GB
cvnxbZvi cwiYwZ Avgiv GLbv fvM Ki PjwQ| GLbv Avgiv
BsiR`i cewZZ kvmbeev _K ewiq AvmZ cvwi wb| AbK
B Avgiv wbR`i gZv Pjvi ^vaxbZv ARb Kwi wb|

MvD wRiv
ck : MvD wRiv ejZ Kx evSvbv nqQ?
Di : MvD wRiv kUv Avgv`i `k cwiwPZ nqQ 2001 mvj
wbDBqKi UzBbUvIqvi asmi NUbv _K| A_vr MvD wRiv nQ
GKUv asmc, GKUv k~b mgZj RvqMvhLvb bZzb Ki wKQy MoZ
ne| hLvb _K bZzb Dvb ne, byZb Afy`q ne, mUvB nQ
MvD wRiv|
MvD wRiv ejZ Avgiv evSvB eZgvb AevK| GwU Kviv
Kviv KvQ nZ cvi Kvbv e_Zv| hgb, whwb Kv_vI BUviwfD
w`qQb, PvKwi nq wb| Zvi Rb GwU MvD wRiv| hvi eemvq wZ
nq MQ, Zvi Rb mwU MvD wRiv| A_ev ^vgxi mv_ Lye SMov
nqQGUv MvD wRiv| Kvbv wec` coQb ev KD gvgjv Ki
w`qQGwU njv MvD wRiv| iRv Lvivc nqQGwU MvD
wRiv| KvwZ welq fwZ nZ cvib wbGwU MvD wRiv|
Avevi Kviv Kviv Rb GUv nZ cvi mvdj| Avcwb PvKwi
cqQb, eemvq jvf KiQb A_ev iRv fvjv KiQbGUv
Avcbvi eZgvb MvD wRiv|
mvdji MvD wRiv m~i g~j K_v nQ Avcbvi eZgvb Aev
hv-B nvK, mwUK `LZ ne bZzb Kvhg, bZyb mvdji wfwf~wg
wnme| KviY mvdj GKwU Pjgvb cwqvi bvg| mdj gvbyliv
e_Zvq nZvk bv nq eis e_Zvi gaB mvdji exR LuyR wbq bZyb
D`g jcvb GwMq MQb| Avevi GKwU mvdj AvZZz bv nq
Aviv mvdji Awfhvvq bZzb jcvb hvv KiQb|
ce 2 \ mvdj

501

Avgiv mvdji DPwkLi cuQvZ cvwi bv| Zvi GKwU KviY

Avgiv mvgwqK mvdj Z nq hvB| AbK mgq `Lv hvq, Avgiv
QvRxeb Lye fvjv iRv Ki fvjv PvKwiZ cek KiwQ, wK
Gici Avi Kvbv Dj-LhvM Ae`vb ivLZ cviwQ bv| Gi KviYI
njv GKwU j ARbi ci mvgb bZzb Kvbv j bv _vKv|
Avmj gvMZ c_ Pjv, gvMZ AMmi nIqvi bvgB nQ mvdj|
Avcwb _vgjB Abiv GwMq hve| mvdj Ggb GKwU hvv hLvb
cwZwU avcK gb KiZ ne GKKwU MvD wRiv, A_vr bZyb
mvdji wfw| AvRK cw_exZ hvivB mvdji ^YwkLi Aevb
KiQb Zviv cZKB GB bxwZ AbymiY KiQb|
ck : Avwg XvKvi GKwU emiKvwi KjRi KwDUvi wevbi
cfvlK| fvjv eZb, KvRi Kg mgq Ges evmvi KvQi KjRme
wgwjq ckvwU wbq Avgvi Z _vKvUvB ^vfvweK wQjv| wK Zv nq
wb| Avwg nZvkv Ges GKNqwgZ fyMwQ| gb nQ mgq Pj hvQ
AbK, wK Gbv nQ bv GZUzKz| QvRxeb AwZ wgZeqx evevi
AweePbvcm~Z KQZvi wkKvi nq DcvRbi bvbv Dcvq Dveb Ki
PvjvZ nqQ Abvm-gvvm| ZviciI jvf KiwQ 1g kYx| PvKwiI
cq Mjvg AwZ `Z| wK Zvici Avi Kvbv bZzb j ev wfkb
wbq GMvbv nq wb| KLbv fvwe, mnKgx`i gZv ivZw`b cvBfU
cwoq jvL UvKv DcvRb Kiev| KLbv fvwe, we`k DPZi
covkvbvi Rb hvev| Avevi KLbv fvwe, PvKwi e`jvev| wK
Avmj Avgvi Kx Kiv DwPZ Zv Avwg Rvwb bv|
Di : Avgv`i mgmvUv GLvb h, Avgiv mevB AbK eo wKQy KiZ
PvB| wK mUvi Rb hfve KvR Kiv `iKviD`gx nIqv `iKvi
mUv Avgiv nB bv| hgb, Avcwb ejQb, QvRxeb DcvRbi Rb
mgq w`qI Avcwb c_g kYx cqQb| Zvi gvb Avcwb gavex|
gavi mevP cqvM Ki mevP mvdj cvIqvI Avcbvi c
me wQjv| wK m j Avcbvi wQjv bv| Avcwb dv Kvm cqB
Z nq wMqwQjb, dv Kvm dv Avi nZ Pvb wb| GLbv Avcwb
GKUv fvjv PvKwi, wbSvU wbwiwewj Rxeb, Avivg-Avqki myhvM
502

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

GiKg A wKQyZB Z| wK hnZz Avcbvi gav AvQ Ges KjRi

evBiI ek GKUv mgq Avcbvi KU hvQ A_nxbfvemRbB G
AwiZv, GKNqwg|
Avmj Avgv`i AmyweavUv nQ, Avgiv mvgwqK mvdj Z nq
hvB| gb Kwi h, eo wKQy Ki djjvg| nZvkv e_Zv Avi fvMvwi
i nq GLvb _KB| GRb cwZwU ARbKB fveZ ne MvD
wRiv| A_vr GUv hb ARb bq, G njv asmc| GLvb _K GLb
AvgvK bZzbfve i KiZ ne|
Avgv`i gywhyi AweiYxq mvdji cieZx evsjv`k GZ
e_Zv, AivRKZv Avi nZvkvi KviYI wK GB GKB| gywhyi
weRqK Avgiv MvD wRiv fveZ cvwi wb| dj weRq Avgiv cqwQ
wK weRqi ci Avgiv Kx Kievm j Avgv`i mvgb wQjv bv|
ZvB Avgiv cvPzhi c_ GZ cvwi wb|
Avcwb Avcbvi G nZvkv, GKNqwg _K gyw cveb, hw` Gi
ci KxG j Avcwb wi KiZ cvib| Zv AekB nZ ne
A_c~Y, gnr Kvbv j|

kgvb`
ck : wbRK mvdji K`we`yZ wbZ nj Kx Kx c`c wbZ
ne? kgvb` kwU eySjvg bv| evLv Kij Lywk nev|
Di : Avmj mvdj nQ GK weivgnxb cPvi bvg| mvdji
K`we`y nq _vKZ PvBj cwZ gyn~Z iK Nvg Ki SivZ ne
Ges iK Nvg Ki Sivbvi gZv gvbwmK Dxcbv, D`g, D`vM I
kw Avcbvi _vKZ ne| kgvb` KvR KiZ ne, A_vr kgKB
Avb` icvwiZ KiZ ne|
cwe KviAvb m~iv evjv`i Pvi b^i AvqvZ Avj-vn ejb,
jvKv` LvjvK bvj Bbmvbv wd KvevZAvwg gvbylK K I
cwikgwbfi Ki mw KiwQ| A_vr hZ cwikg Kieb ZZ Avcwb
fvjv _vKeb, my _vKeb|
ce 2 \ mvdj

503

hgb GKUv D`vniY `qv hvq| GKUv gwkb ev GKUv BDwbU ev

GKUv dvwiK hZ dzj KvcvwmwUZ KvR `qv hvq, ZZ m gwkb ev
BDwbU ev dvwii mevP eenvi wbwZ Kiv hve, ZZ mUv jvfRbK
Aevq _vKe| Avi hw` GUvK i `qv nq, IqvK AvDU/ jK
AvDU Kiv nq, Zvnj Kx nq, Zvi GKUv D`vniY Av`gRx RyU wgj|
cw_exi mePq eo GB RyU wgjwU GKmgq wQjv mveK c~e
cvwKvbi Me| ZLbKvi w`b we`wk Kvbv ivcavb XvKvq Gj
ZvK Av`gRx RyU wgj `LvZ wbq Avmv nZv| GB wgji gvwjK
Av`gRx cwieviI wQjv kxl abx cwievi|
wK KvR w`Z bv cvivi KviY ^vaxbZv cieZx cuvP eQii gaB
GUv cwiYZ njv kZnwZ| Avqi Zzjbvq eq GZ ewk njv h,
wgj Avi Pvjvbv hvwQjv bv| dj Mvb nvkK Ki e Ki
`qv njv| ejv nq, AvaywbK hyM cvUi Pvwn`v Kg| wK hviv `
eevcbv KiZ ciQ, kg w`qQ, Zv`i `k RyU wgj weKwkZ
nqQ, nQ GLbv|
Av`gRx RyU wgj hLb dzj KvcvwmwUZ PjQ, ZLb mUv
jvfRbK wQjv, wK hLb Avgiv GUvK wekvg w`jvg, Avivg w`jvg,
ZLb _KB Av Av GUv Zvi kx nvivZ i Kijv Ges GLb Gi
Kvbv AwZB Avi bB|
gb ivLeb, Rxeb nQ mgqi mgw, Avi mgq A_en nq KvRi
ga w`q| mv Avgv`iK gvbyl evwbq cvwVqQb| wKQy gvbexq
Yvewj, wKQy KjvYKi Yvewj w`q cvwVqQb| mRbkxj kw w`q
cvwVqQb, ggZv w`q cvwVqQb hvZ Avgiv gvbyli KjvY KiZ
cvwi, bZzb bZzb mw KiZ cvwi| hvZ bZzb wKQy Kivi ZwZ, mwi
Avb` Avbw`Z _vwK| A_vr gvbyl wnme Kgi h ^vaxbZv,
mRbkxjZvi h ^vaxbZvGB ^vaxbZv cwZwU gvbylK `qv AvQ|
mvdji K`we`yZ Avmvi Rb KvRi GB Avb`K Dcjw
KiZ ne| iK Nvg nq SiZ w`Z ne, Zvnj Nvgi H bvbv
cvwbZ mvdji exR AzwiZ ne| hZ eywgvi mv_ cwikg Kieb,
ZZ Avcbvi j ARb KiZ cvieb| ji Rb KvRK fvjem
Avb`i mv_ iK Nvg nq SiZ `qvi bvgB kgvb`|
504

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

ck : Avwg wVK KiwQ cwZw`b Pvi Nv Nygvev| evwK 20 Nv iwUb

Ki covjLv, gwWUkb Avi dvDkb mgq `e| wK ivZ 10Uv
_K 11Uv evRZB fxlY Kv jvM, fviI IVv nq bv| iRx,
AKv cwikgi inm Kx? wbqwgZ cvYvqvg I evqvg Kwi| ZviciI
Avjm KvUvZ cviwQ bv| Avkv Kwi GKUv civgk `eb|
Di : evSv hvQ h, Avcwb GKUz b`jvj| b`jvj gvb Av`ii
`yjvj| cwikg GLbv evSb wb| mRb fveb h, ejjB kixi
be| Avmj Zv bq| cwZ cqvRb| cwZw`b Kgc kZevi gb
gb ejyb, my `n ckv gb Kge myLx Rxeb| Gici 40 w`b ev 91
w`bi Rb jvgvq KvqvUvgg Pj hveb| cvnvo cwZw`b mKvjejv
10 wKjvwgUvi nuvUeb| 40 w`b nuvUvi ci Avcwb AKv cwikgi
inm wKQyUv eySZ cvieb| mB mv_ `~i nq hve b`jvj fveUvI|
ck : hLb Kvbv KvRi ga XyK hvB, GKevi cvwicvwkK Lqvj
_vK bv| h Rb AbK AvZKw`K ev AmvgvwRK fve, G evcvi
Avcbvi ge Kx?
Di : Avmj PvicvkUv Lqvj KiZ cvivUvB nQ fvjv| Ze hLb
h KvRm KvRi ga Wye hvIqvUv Aviv fvjv| KviY KvRi ga
Wye hZ cvij m KvRi cwZ mywePvi Kiv nq| GZ c_g c_g
mvgvwRKfve wKQy mgmv nZ cvi| wK hLb Zviv `Le Avcwb
Avmj GKRb gbvhvMx KgxKvR cj ZvZ AvZwbgM nq hvb
ZLb Avi KD wKQy gb Kie bv| KviY gvbyl KvRi djvdjUv
`LZ Pvq|
ck : Avwg PvKwii cvkvcvwk mdUIqvi Bwwbqvwismn gvbRgU
gvvm 2q kYxZ cvk KiwQ| eZgvb GgweG-i djvdji Acvq
AvwQ| Avkv KiwQ 1g kYx cvev| gv cwZivZ eKvSKv Kib| gv-i
aviYv Avwg eo Kvbv AmyL Avv nZ hvwQ| A_P KvqvUvg
MvRyqU nIqvi ci gv `yB w`b Ri fyMwQ| G ch Avi wKQy nq wb|
Avgvi gvqi aviYv wK mwVK?
ce 2 \ mvdj

505

Di : Avmj mvb`i Kmwnz ev cwikgx Ki Zvjvi

Avgv`i AwaKvsk gv-evevB Awe`v viv Avv| Zviv gb Kib,
cwikg Kij evanq Qj-gqi kixi Lvivc ne| gvbwmK Pvc
coe| Avcbvi gvqi I Zv-B nqQ| wZwb nqZv AePZbfve
Pvb bv h, Avcwb GZ cwikg Kib| AvcbvK wbq Ubkbi KviYB
nqZv K_vjv ejb| fveb, Avcwb hw` AviKUz Kg KvR KiZb
Zvnj nqZv Avivg _vKZb|
wK KvRUvB h Avb`i Drm nZ cviGUv AwaKvsk gvqiv
evSb bv Zv`i mvb evrmji KviY| eveZv nQKvR Kij
KD KLbv Amy nq bv, Amy nq Ubkb Kij| Avcbvi gvqi
aviYv wVK nIqvi Kvbv KviY bB| GUv GKUv Avkv| hLbB gv GUv
ejb, Av`i Ki ZvK ejeb, gv, Zzwg Avgvi Rb `vqv Ki| Zzwg
ejZzB Lye fvjv _vKwe| Zvnj `Le, Avwg Lye fvjv _vKev|
gvqi nvZUv gv_vi Ici Zzj bb| cZKw`b mKvjejv ejb,
Avgvi wekvm nq MQ, Zzwg `vqv Ki w`j Avgvi Kvbv AmyL ne
bv| ZLb gv GZ cfvweZ nq hveb h, `vqv bv Ki Gici _K
AvcbvK Avi eivZ `eb bv| Avi Gme K_vI AvcbvK Avi
ejeb bv| gv-I Z neb h, Avgvi Qj GLbv AvgvK KZ
fvjevm, Avgvi `vqv KZ iZc~Y Zvi KvQ|
Avmj Rxeb mvdj jvf KiZ nj AvcbvK Kmwnz Ges
cwikgx nZ ne| Avj-vn h AbyMn m`, h bqvgZ, h wiwRKi
K_v ejQbGUv Abymvb Ki cZ ne| hKvbv K, hKvbv
cwikgi Rb Zwi _vKZ ne| Avcwb hw` AjxK Kbvi cQb
Nvib, Zvnj Avcwb AbyMn m`i AwaKvix nZ cvieb bv|
Avj-vni AbyMn Ges m` Abymvb ZvivB mdj ne, h
kvKiMvRvi, h Kmwnz I cwikgx| h ^vej^x, h ^wbfi, h
wbR D`vMx nq, wbR KvR Ki Ges AbKI KvR AbycvwYZ Ki|
ck : kgvb` mwi cwqv Kx? KvR Avb` bv cj Kx Kiev?
Di : kgvb` mwi Rb memgq AUvmvRkb `eb, Avwg Avb`i
mv_ KvR KiwQ| cwZwU KvR Avgvi Rb bZzb Avb` Gb w`Q|
506

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

Avi Avcwb hw` Rvbb Avcwb Kb KvR KiQb Zvnj Avcbvi

KvR Avb` cvIqv mnR ne| G wbq M AvQ| gvNj mgvU
AvIiRe AvMvq gwZ gmwR` wbgvY KiQb| wZb kwgK KvR
KiwQjb| c_gRbK wRm Kiv njvAvcwb Kx KiQb? kwgK
Reve w`jvAvwg cv_i KvUwQ| wZxqRbK wRm Kiv nj m Reve
w`jvAvwg cv_iUv Ggbfve KvUwQ hvZ GUv my`i PKvbv
nqwbavwiZ RvqMvq gvcgZv em hvq| ZZxqRbKI hLb ck Kiv
njvAvcwb Kx KiQb, m Reve w`jvAvwg gmwR`i Rb cv_i
Ggbfve gmY KiwQ hvZ G cv_ii Ici bvgvR `uvwoq mR`vq
wMq cvcx-Zvcx cyYvZv h KD Avj-vni iY jxb nq hZ cvi|
G M wZb kwgKi Dii ga w`q Avgiv KvRi cwZ wZb
aibi `wfw cvB| c_g kwgKi KvQ KvRUv wQjv md RxweKvi
GKUv gvag| wZxq kwgKi KvQ KvR njv GKUv cdkbcv_i
KvUvi KvRUv m my`i I myPviic KiZ Pvq, KviY m Pvq GKRb
` kwgK wnme wbRi cwiwPwZ| ZZxq kwgK KvRwUK wbqQ
GKwU wgkb wnme| Zvi KvQ KvR gvb GKwU eo ^ci evevqb|
DcvRb ev cdkb Movi Rb bq, m KvR Ki KvRi cwZ fvjevmvi
Rb, mvi cwZ fvjevmvi Rb|
Avcwb h KvRB Kib bv Kb, hw` Avcbvi KvQ GUv cwivi _vK
h, Kb Avcwb KvR KiQb Ges m Kb-i Di hw` nq A_c~Y
KjvYKi wKQy Kiv ZvnjB KvR ne Avcbvi Adzi Avb`i Drm|
Avmj Avgiv Nywgq Nywgq hv `wL mUv ^c bq, ^c nQ mUv hv
NygvZ `q bv| mdj I cvPzhgwZ gnr Rxebi h ^cmB ^c hLb
Avcwb `Leb, ZLb Avcbvi Nyg Kg hve| Avcwb cwikg KiZ
wkLeb| mnbkxj nZ wkLeb| mNe nZ wkLeb| Avcbvi ^ci
mv_ ZLb wgk hve nvRviv gvbyli ^c| Avcwb ZLb ay mvdj I
cvPzhB AeMvnb Kieb bv, cwiYZ neb KvjRqx Abb gvbyl|
ck : Avcwb MvD wRiv I kgvb`i K_v ejb| Avwg Zv wRivZ
bvB-B, eis gvBbvm-G AvwQ| Avgvi cvwicvwkK I Avw_K cwZeKZv
AvQ| mBmv_ AvQ wKQy kvixwiK cwZKjZv| cwikgi K_v ev`
w`jvg, Kvbv wKQyZB Avb` cvB bv| Avgvi c wK wKQy Kiv me?
ce 2 \ mvdj

507

Di : gvBbvm _vKj Zv Aviv fvjv| Avcbvi Zv Avi bZzb Ki

wKQyB nvivbvi bB| hvi nvivbvi wKQy bB, wZwbB wbwZ gb mvgb
GZ cvib| KviY Zvi Kvbv wcQyUvb _vK bv|
GB gvBbvmUvKB MvD wRiv aib| GLvb _KB i Kib|
kZKiv 90 Rb mdj gvbylB Avw_K cvwievwiK cvwicvwkK cwZKjZv
wbq gvBbvm AevqB RbMnY KiQb| Zviv mLvb _K i Ki
avc avc mvdji c_ GwMq MQb| Avw_K I cvwicvwkK
cwZKjZvB Zv`i fZii kwi RvMiYi KviY nqQ|
`wnK Kvbv cwZeKZv I mdj`i mvdjMv_v iPbvq Aivq
nZ cvi wb| gnvKwe nvgvi `wcwZex wQjb| Agi myimv
eUvfb Rxebi kl eQijvq Kvb wKQyB bZb bv| KjKvZvi
gvmy`yi ingvb `yB cv KvUv covi ciI Bswjk Pvbj muvZvi KU
1995 mvj bZzb iKW vcb KiQb|
divwm bvMwiK wdwjc BRb we`yr nq KbyB _K `yB nvZ
I `yB cv nvivb 1994 mvj| cy nq evwoZ _vKvKvj muvZvi`i
Ici GK Z_wP `L Bswjk Pvbj cvwo `qvi AvMn mw nq| i
nq cwZ| `yB eQi Uwbs bb| 42 eQi eqm 2010 mvj Nvq wZb
wKjvwgUvi MwZZ 13 Nvq Bswjk Pvbj AwZg Kib| mw Kib
nvZ Ges cv Qvov muvZvi KvUvq bZzb BwZnvm|
10 Gwcj, 2010`wbK BdvKi GKwU wicvU wQjvmncvVxiv
e em cixv w`Q| cvkB gSZ PU em cixv w`Q
cwZex Kwdj Dwb| Zvi `yB nvZ-cv _KI bB| GmGmwm cvk
Kivi ci Afvei KviY PMvg wbgvY kwgKi KvR KiZ hvq m|
mLvb GKwU febi Qv` iW euvavB KiZ wMq AmveavbZvekZ
we`yyZi Zvi iW jvMvi mv_ mv_ we`yr nq co wMq vb
nvivq| wPwKrmvi mgq `yB nvZi KbyB I `yB cvqi nuvUzi wbP ch
KU djZ nq|
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jLvcovq AvMn wQjv cej| c_g gyL Kjg wbq jLvi Pv Ki,
nq bv| ci `yB KbyBqi gvSLvb Kjg ai jLvi Pvq wZb eQi
mdj nq| GLb m `Z wjLZ cvi| GBPGmwm cixvi kZfvM Di
m wbavwiZ mgqB wjLQ| jLvcov kl Ki m wePviK nZ Pvq|
508

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

mxgveZv Kxfve kw nZ cvi, cwZewZI Kxfve mvdji

Drm nZ cvi G wbq Rbi weLvZ M iqQ
GK Rvcvwb evjK| 13 eQi Zvi eqm| GKUv `yNUbvq evg nvZ
nvwiq djjv| Zvi wQjv RyWv kLvi cP AvMn| wK hnZz Zvi
evg nvZ bB, Kvbv RyWv-i ZvK wkl wnme MnY KiZ ivwR
njb bvevg nvZ bB, GK Kx kLvev? RyWv Zv GKUv mvsNvwZK
evcvi! hUvi Rb `yUv nvZi cqvRb|
QjwU GB ii KvQ hvq, H ii KvQ hvq| mevB ay ej h,
bv, Zzwg RyWv wkLZ cvie bv| Zvgvi Rb Gjv bq| Zzwg eis
Ab wKQy Ki| wK evjK wekvm AUj| evg nvZ bB ZvZ Kx? RyWv
m wkLeB| NvivNywi KiZ KiZ klgk m GK eqve ii
mvb cjv| evjKi kLvi AvKzwZ `L ii gvqv njv| wZwb ZvK
ejjb h, wVK AvQ, Avwg ZvgvK kLvev| Ze cwZv KiZ ne
h, Avwg hv ejev Zv Zzwg gvbe Ges jM _vKe|
i njv Zvi RyWv kLv| w`b Mj, mvn Mj, gvm Mj| eQi
cvi njv| GKmgq QjwU AevK nq j KijvcwZw`b Zvi i
ZvK GKUv KkjB, RyWvi GKwU cuvPB Kej kLvQb| Wvb-evg,
mvgb-cQb Avi wKQyB bv, ay GKUvB Kkj, GKUvB cuvP|
GKmgq Zvi gb ck RvMjv, `ytL njvRyWvi GZ cuvP AvQ,
me ev` w`q i AvgvK ay GKwU cuvP kLvQb? Avevi mvnmI cvq
bv h, ii mvgb ejj Avevi bv eqv`we nq hvq|
GKw`b mvnm Ki ejB djjv h, mbmB! (RyWv-iK
wkliv mvb Ki WvK mbmB) Avwg wK Avi Kvbv Kkj wkLev
bv?ejjv Lye KiY ^i| i Reve w`jb, Zzwg GKwU Kkj
wkLQv Avi GB GKwU KkjB, GKwU cuvPB Zvgvi fvjvfve i
Kiv `iKvi| AZGe GKvMwP Abykxjb Ki hvI|
i ej w`qQb| Zvi KvQ GUzKzB h_| hnZz i ZvK Lye
n Kib, GKUv cuvPB ggZvi mv_ evi evi evi evi kLvQbm
Abykxjb Ki Pjjv| cuvP eQi cvi nq Mj GB GKUv cuvP wkLZ|
`xN Abykxjb GB cuvPi mewKQy `viYfve i Kijv m|
Gevi i wmv wbjb ZvK cwZhvwMZvq bvgvbvi| cwZhvwMZv
i njv| c_g `yB gvP Lye Abvqvm m H GK cuvP w`qB `yRbK
ce 2 \ mvdj

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nvwiq w`jv| Gevi dvBbvj| dvBbvj gvP m mwZ mwZ ek

eKvq`vq cojv| KviY Zvi cwZc ek kwkvjx Avi Awf|
GKmgq gb njv h, evjKwU evanq ni hvQ| fxlY gvi
LvQ| idvwiI eySZ cviQ bv Ljv wK PjZ `e, bv _vwgq
`e| KviY hfve QjwU gvi LvQ ZvZ hKvbv mgq m co
hZ cvi| wK Zvi i Bkviv Kijb h, bv, Ljv PjyK|
weiwZ njv| i evjKi gv_vq nvZ eywjq Drmvn w`jb| my`i
LjQv| Zzwg wRZe| Ljv Avevi i njv| kwgvb cwZc Aah
nq DVjv| gwiqv nq Avgb KiZ jvMjv| evjK Vvv gv_vq
cwZwU Avgb KvUvQ| nVvr cwZc GKUv fyj Kivi mv_ mv_
evjK Zvi cuvP cqvM Kijv Ges wRZ Mj| evjK Pvwqb njv|
Pvwqb nq evjK Zv gnvLywk| GUv Zvi KvQI weqKi h,
GKwUgv Kkj cqvM Ki m wRZ Mj! divi c_ m iK
wRm Kijv h, mbmB! GB GKwUgv Kkj cqvM Ki Avwg
wRZjvg Kx Ki?
ZLb i ejjb h, `L, Zzwg `ywU KviY wRZQv| GK nQ,
Zzwg RyWvi Lye `yin GKwU Kkj, Lye KKi RwUj GKwU cuvPK Lye
fvjvfve wkLQv| `yB nQ, Avgvi RvbvgZ GB cuvP _K euvPvi
Rb cwZci GKwUB c_ AvQ| Zv njv cwZxi evg nvZ ai
djv| m hw` Zvgvi evg nvZ aiZ cviZv ZvnjB euvPZv| wK
Zvgvi Zv evg nvZB bB| AZGe Zzwg wRZ MQv|
GB Rvcvwb evjKi gZv mxgveZvB nZ cvi Avcbvi kw, nZ
cvi Avcbvi weRqi AbyNUK| Avmj kvixwiK Avw_K cvwievwiK ev
cvwicvwkKKvbv mxgveZvB mvdji c_ Aivq bq, hw` Avcwb
mxgveZv wbq nxbbZvq bv fvMb| KviY nxbbZv bwZevPKZvi
Rb `q| Avi bwZevPKZvi cwiYwZ nQ nZvkv Avi e_Zv|
Avcwb aygv Avcbvi nxbbZvK Rq Kib| fveybGUv bvB,
IUv bvB ZvZ wK! AvwgI gvbyl| Avgvi GKUv Rxeb AvQ, gw AvQ,
wPv Kivi kw AvQ| em, Avi wKQy `iKvi bB| wekvmK cej
Kib| mvnmx nvb| j wi Kib| wbijm cwikg Kib| mvdj
Avcbvi| Avb` Avcbvi| mviv cw_ex Avcbvi|
510

KvqvUvg \ nvRviv cki Reve

..wcq cvVK,

G eBqi Kvbv welq mK Avcbvi Kvbv ck ev gZvgZ _vKj

wb wVKvbvq cvVvZ cvib :
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kvwbMi, XvKv-1217|
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ce 2 \ mvdj

511

nvRviv cki Reve \ 1g ce gwWUkb-G hv wQjv

KvqvUvg
KvqvUvg Kx
KvqvUvg g_W
Kvm KiZ PvwQ KiZ cviwQ bv
AbK Kvm Dy Kiv
Kvm Kivi ci weic cwiwwZ
KvqvUvg, gwWUkb I Bmjvg
Kvm wd
Kvm Kivi ci cwievii Kvbv
m`m hLb dvDkb AbvMnx
KvqvUvg PZbvi mv_ AmvgmZv

gwWUkb
mvdji kw inm
gwWUkbi cwZ I cwqv
gbi evwo
AejvKb
wkw_jvqb
AUvmvRkb
AUvmvRkb PPv
AUvmvRkb Kx ne
gwWUkb Abykxjb
Kvb gwWUkb Kiev
Kxfve jfj fvjv Kiev
KvmU/ wmwW-Z bv wbR wbR
dj cvwQ bv
gwWUkb Nyg cvq
gwWUkb PvL cvwb
gwWUkb gbvhvM wew nIqv
gwWUkb kvixwiK gvbwmK A^w
PPv : wewfb
gwWUkbi Aceenvi
AbK gwWUkb kLvbv
weeZKi ck
gwWUkb Kvm cieZx KiYxq
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GjwR
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ckvw

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