v2 - AC2406 - Files Files Everywhere Files Importing and Exporting With AutoCAD
v2 - AC2406 - Files Files Everywhere Files Importing and Exporting With AutoCAD
AC2406- Have you ever been asked to open a file that was not from AutoCAD? Most users these days deal
with much more than a DWG™ on a daily basis. In this class, we will discuss the ins and outs of using software
such as Autodesk® Raster Design, Adobe®, CAD2PDF™, and others when working with AutoCAD. We will talk
about file types such as DWF™, DGN, DXF™, image, Autodesk Inventor®, Alias®, SolidWorks®, Revit®, and
others. We will see what the best approach is for importing from and exporting to various other non-Autodesk
products. We will discuss how to gather intelligence on drawing formats and where to look for answers. We will look
at real life examples and work through them. We will also be talking about how to protect your files and how to use
files that are protected (think underlay, not illegal). The class will also cover how to reduce file sizes and get the best
looking image when inserting something. The instructor invites you to submit questions and examples in the weeks
leading up to AU.
Learning Objectives
At the end of this class, you will be able to:
Use the AEC exchange to share information among Autodesk products
List the file types that can be imported into and exported out of AutoCAD
Describe free or inexpensive third-party programs that assist with
importing, converting, and exporting files in AutoCAD
Improve quality while reducing file size of images inserted into a drawing
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In this class we will be discussing 5 main areas involving Files with AutoCAD. This by no
means is all there is or the bible of CAD files. These 5 areas are what I feel I can cover in a 90
minute lecture. I promise this handout is for reference to take home, in class we will be looking
at some real world examples, and discussing your questions.
o Definitions
4. Protecting Files
o Importing
o Cleaning them up
o Converting to Vector
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Raster
ras·ter noun \ˈras-tər\
Long Version – Images to add drawings information such as logos, maps, pictures, etc.
Also things such as reference drawings (scans), Quad Maps, Spec sheets, PDFs, etc when
inserting non cad drawing information from other sources.
Vector
Long Version – Objects you can snap to either when inserted into AutoCAD or can
manipulate in other generic CAD file formats such as DXF’s, SAT, STEP, IGES, etc.
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Import Formats
Import Autodesk 3ds MAX Files [*.3ds]
® ®
You can import a 3DS file created with Autodesk 3ds MAX .
Import FBX Files [*.fbx]
FBX files allow you to import and export 3D objects, 2D objects with thickness, lights, cameras,
and materials from one Autodesk program to another.
Import 3D Point Cloud Files [*.fls, *.fws, *.las, *.xyb]
Index and attach point cloud data created with 3D tripod and LiDAR scanners.
Import ACIS SAT Files [*.sat]
You can import geometry objects stored in SA (ASCII) files using the ASCISIN command.
Convert DXF and DXB Files to DWG Format [*.dxf / *.dxb]
DXF and DXB files are two types of drawing interchange files used to transfer data between
various applications.
Import MicroStation DGN Files [*.dgn]
You can import MicroStation® DGN drawing files into DWG files.
Import IGES Files [*.iges. *.igs]
You can import an IGES (*.igs or *.iges) file into a DWG file.
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[Attach] Underlay: To me underlay means it is either a Mark-Ups or an Xrefs. You can use
these to reference data from another department or even the customer when you know the
data is going to change. You can also use Underlay’s to bring in Red Lines and Mark-Ups to
show you what has changed.
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You can Snap to this information (sometimes, if it was created by AutoCAD) and even bring in
the changes automatically. These files are the ones you do not want moving around if they do
you can break links and start to see warnings in you drawings. Underlay’s are a good way to
only bring in what you need and none of the corruption.
Tip: If you do break a link to a underlay or Xfer the simplest way to fix it is to click on it then use
the ribbon or click the Manage Xref button in the bottom right corner.
Then go to the Xref path and select the Xref that has been orphaned and it will show you where it
was and underneath let you put where it is now.
New Old
Underlay Formats
Attach DWF Files [*.dwf]
Attach redlines and Mark Ups.
Attach AutoCAD Drawing Files [*.dwg]
Commonly referred to as a Xref
Attach PDF Files [*.dwg]
Attach as underlay as opposed to insert as raster.
Attach DGN Files [*.dwg]
Attach as underlay as opposed to import.
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[Attach] Insert: The Insert I am talking about here is really Insert Raster image. This is where
you can insert pictures, images, labels, etc. This can also be used as basic markups from
someone who has scanned in a jpg or pdf for you to use. Supported Files are pretty broad for
AutoCAD’s Raster Images.
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Tip: If you need to get a drawing to the simplest form possible to send to someone. Use the
Export to R12 DXF; this will export only Lines, Arcs and Circles. It is the simplest form of CAD
file and can be read by almost any other CAD Software out there.
Export Formats
Export DWF and DWFx Files
You can easily assemble a collection of drawings and export them to the DWF or DWFx file
formats.
Export PDF Files
You can export a drawing as a PDF file to facilitate sharing information with other design
groups.
Export DXF Files
You can export a drawing as a DXF file, which contains drawing information that can be read by
other CAD systems.
Export FBX Files
FBX files allow you to import and export 3D objects, 2D objects with thickness, lights, cameras,
and materials from one Autodesk program to another.
Export MicroStation DGN Files
You can export DWG files created by AutoCAD-based products to the MicroStation® DGN
drawing file format.
Export IGES files
You can export selected objects to a new IGES (*.igs or *.iges) file, which can be read by other
CAD systems.
Export WMF Files
You can export selected objects to a WMF (Windows metafile format) file.
Export Raster Files
You can create a device-independent raster image of the objects in your drawing.
Export PostScript Files
You can convert a drawing file to a PostScript file, a format that is used by many desktop
publishing applications.
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You can export selected objects to a new Geo-Referenced Tiff (*.tif) file, which can be read by
other CAD or GIS systems.
Export LandXML files (Civil Only)
You can export selected objects to a new Land Desktop (*.xml) file, which can be read by
LandDeskTop Users. While some people still use LDD, this is more for Data Collectors and
other software that still use the LDDxml file for transferring information.
One of the most common issues when importing files is they sometimes are not created by
an Autodesk product. Microstation, SolidWorks and others have done a better job lately but
not so much in older versions. Here are a few Tips for opening a drawing not created by
AutoCAD that is giving you problems.
Solutions:
Scenario 1 – It says it was created by a newer version than you have. You can use DWG
True View (it is also part of Design Review) to convert it down to your version. Use the QR
codes below to get to the Autodesk website for TV and DR.
http://usa.autodesk.com/design-review/
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Scenario 2 - You receive a file from another software internally (i.e. you work for or with a
Solid Works Design House, but you are Autodesk in Manufacturing) or, externally, your
Customer /Vendor does not use AutoCAD. This one is not so straight forward.
Scenario 3 – Working with DGNs… Once again Autodesk and Bentley have been playing
together much better lately and have fixed some of the more major translation errors.
Design Review can now open DGN’s (with the DGN add in below), this may let you open it
and save it out as an AutoCAD file.
http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/index?siteID=123112&id=13635915&linkID=9338138
. You will also find a JT Add In and a Browser add in that will let you use Firefox or
Chrome to view dwfx files. Much the same way as you do in the Internet Explorer.
Tip: AutoCAD does not support translation of ASM (formerly ACIS) based entities such as
regions, 3d solids, bodies, and surfaces.
Trick: If you are having problems exporting a DWG to DGN (before or after it gets to
Microstation), try to export it down to a R12 DXF first, then open it back up and export that
as a DGN. This is the simplest Autodesk file format and easiest for other programs to
read.
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Note: Support for complex linetypes in DGN files is improved in AutoCAD 2012. Now when
you import or export using the DGN V8 file format, complex linetypes are maintained.
Scenario 4a – You want to convert a DGN file to a DWG file using Revit®.
Tip: Only Microstation® Version 7 DGN files are exported and supported by Revit®.
Scenario 4b – You just want to reference the DGN but not change it.
This is where you may just want to use a DGN as an Underlay. Much like an Xref you
can still turn layers on and off, but it saves a full Import. This will usually give you a
better and quicker result.
Issue: After you import or open a DWG from outside sources you notice AutoCAD becomes
unstable and crashes frequently.
Solution: You need to clean files before bringing them into your drawing. And I don’t mean
layers, standards or even drawing quality, only get the minimum of what you need.
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Follow these simple steps when importing files in or even when inserting DWGs from other
users and/or companies.
1. Open /Import the file by itself in a clean/blank DWG (not a template file).
2. Run the Audit Command - (Y) when it asks you if you want to fix errors.
3. Purge – Make sure you have it turned on to purge Unnamed / Zero length objects.
This is especially true when getting files from other software’s.
Note: If you have to do this frequently with drawings from the same person or CAD Standard,
once again use the action recorder and only do it one time.
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This class is an AutoCAD based class, so most of what we talk about is in relationship to what
happens in AutoCAD.
Inventor Issue: You can get a part into Inventor but the solid will not let you do anything to it.
Solution: I have found a sometimes Pro-E and UG files don’t play well after you import them.
If you have a solid that will not let you edit it in Inventor or Inventor Fusion, you can open it in
AutoCAD then save it out as a .sat. This makes a clean part you can now edit.
The best way to get files from AutoCAD back to Inventor is to use a .sat file.
Inventor to MEP Issue: You want to use the ease of Inventor to design Parts for your MEP
drawings. But you don’t want to have to heavily modify them once you get them over to MEP.
Solution: AEC Exchange, this lets you design pumps, air handlers, fittings, electrical
components etc in Inventor. Then while still in Inventor you can add your; duct, cable tray,
conduit, pipe and electrical connections. When you bring them into MEP, you have a
completed MvPart.
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AutoCAD to Inventor Issue: You are migrating slowly to Inventor but still have some projects
you need to “get out the door”. Subtle changes to a part or two and do not have time to
redesign the whole assembly.
Solution 1: Design the one or two parts you need in Inventor and use them in your 2D
drawing back in AutoCAD. It is even somewhat associative and can easily be updated if
needed.
Solution 2: Say you are moving from AutoCAD 3D to Inventor (or work with Inventor and
AutoCAD 3D in the same project). There are a couple different ways to get 3D information
back to AutoCAD. First you can Save Copy As your Model to a Step, Sat or Iges and
AutoCAD can import it in. Or you can use the AEC Exchange again and save it out as a dwg
Solid. This will work even if you are not going to ADT/MEP/Revit.
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AutoCAD Vertical Issue: You work in an AutoCAD Based Vertical, your Customer / Sub /
Vendor only has Vanilla AutoCAD. Even though they use dwg’s, they imbed more data into
them than Vanilla AutoCAD can read.
Solution 1: On the Vertical User Side - Just like exporting to an exotic format, you can export
Verticals to an AutoCAD dwg. It will strip the extra data out, and bind any Xrefs there may be.
I actually use this as a cheat to bind Xrefs when I need to send them out.
Note: You can also save down to a previous version or to a dxf file. In Civil 3D dwg and dxf
are separated, in MEP they are in the same dialog box.
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Solution 2: On the Vanilla User Side – If you are on the receiving end you can ask your
customer / vendor to do the steps above, but with tight schedules and if you don’t have
access to them… You can still open and use a file from a vertical product without owning that
product. AutoCAD will do it by itself when it runs across a file from a vertical.
By having Show Proxy Graphics on, you are letting AutoCAD use Object Enablers. The
Proxy objects are not live as when you are in a vertical, but as long as you do not explode
them, they will go back to the Vertical unharmed.
You can download additional Object Enablers from Autodesk’s website here:
http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/index?siteID=123112&id=2753223&linkID=9240618
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Protecting Files
A great person once told me that as soon as you go and
make something Idiot Proof, they go and make a better
Idiot…
Scenario 1
Issue: Files keep accidently getting over written, or you work for months on a project only to
find out you need to go back to a version 3 months ago.
Solution –This person is the most dangerous of all users who attach your files and cause
billons in damages every year to companies.
Create a read only directory that you need a password to delete files from. This
works well as a place to store either finished projects, or milestones you may need
to reference back to later.
Create a DWF of your file to have a snapshot
of a milestone or completed project.
Create a CD/DVD on Write only media
eTransmit, this creates a snapshot in time
with all Xrefs, images, fonts, pen tables and
whatever else you may need to work on that
project.
Archive - If you use Sheet sets there is
actually an Archive Command that will
package everything for the entire project.
Vault – Even in a single user Environment
you can use Vault to track your changes and
keep a backup for you in case you need to
revert to a previous version.
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Scenario 2
Protection from your coworkers or other departments is probably harder than data outside the
company. One department does X and the other does Y, and watch out if Y gets into X’s
folders and gets something early or over writes something.
Issue: You have a huge library of parts and details, but someone keeps opening them and
forgetting to save as before they customize it for their project.
Solution: This is where some politics always gets involved, along with some help from IT.
First thing get buy in from the boss, locking everyone out of your files doest go so well
when someone else has a deadline.
CAD Standards – Basically like I said at the top of this nothing is idiot proof. Put it in
writing that only the Block manager can make changes and hold people responsible.
Every company has rules and probably even a rule book, missing too much work, or
wearing the wrong clothes can get you reprimanded why not costing the company
money when they mess with the files?
Create a directory just for X and one for Y then a transfer “neutral” territory. Only let
X’s in to the X and only Y’s into the Y. This will cut back on some of the mass hysteria
that comes with sharing information inter-company.
Make a block directory and make it read only with a Login required to make changes.
The person in charge could be the only one allowed to make changes or everyone
can but has to take the step of login in. This prevents someone from accidently pulling
up a generic block and changing it for everyone else.
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Xref – Have the other user Xref in the drawing or part and it is automatically read only.
This is also very beneficial if something changes on your end, it will let them know and
update on there’s. So if you design the building and they design the site, they now
know the Lobby grew by 10 feet into the parking lot and can adjust the grading and
parking accordingly.
Last but not least… Communication! This is the
simplest way to stop people from messing files up.
A majority of the time they are not doing it to be
spiteful they are doing it to get their job done. Work
with the other department or user and explain they
are causing you more work. Ask them to Save As
when they get into your file, or even better if they
are Step two in the process, have them use a
Xrefs, have them send an e-mail letting you know
they are ready to grab your drawings.
Scenario 3
Protection from the outside world: This is the wild card sharing information. The only way to
be sure no one else can steal a drawing from you is to follow these steps. As soon as you get
done with the drawings erase it without saving! No drawing, no problem, right? Controlling
who you share information with is the easiest way of controlling documents.
In my time doing CAD I have seen it go from no way you are getting a dwg to people realizing
how much that was costing them. Sharing information is no longer a four letter word.
Controlling what gets out and who you can trust with it, is really what we are looking for.
Solution: Get a release form from them, sign it and they will usually give you what you
need so you will go away. If they do not have one, offer one to them and see if that will
lighten them up. If you are sending out the documents get them to sign a release form.
Thanks to BIM and JIT Manufacturing, most customers have learned sharing information
is a good thing.
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Issue: Customer requires you to send a dwg with your design, but it is proprietary
information.
ORGINIAL
REDUCED
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Issue: Copyright and proprietary designs are under hush control and are very sensitive
information. .
Solution: If you work for Apple, don’t go to bars with a priceless prototype in your pocket.
That seems pretty simple to me? If you have some sensitive information, try to release as little
as you are required.
Warning from Autodesk - If you lose a password, your drawing file is lost. Before you
add a password to a drawing, you should create a backup that is not protected with a
password.
Digital Signatures – it is a secure way to pass files back and forth. The Recipients of
digitally signed files can be sure that the organizations or individuals who sent the
files are who they claim to be. A digital signature guarantees that a file has not
changed since the file was signed. A signed file cannot be rejected as invalid. The
signer of a file cannot disown the file later by claiming the signature was forged.
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A good legal disclaimer and trust in your vendors / customers. Work with your legal
department or your attorney to generate a plot stamp that will be as protective as any
software could be.
Cheat - If you want to send something out but do not want it to be able to be copied.
Take all you Dims and override them with false dimensions and send out a paper
copy or PDF image only. The image above is from a real customer who wanted to
remain anonymous when they sent their product to China for quoting. We send a
similar but very different product and a fake company name as well.
This is an area where I want your feedback, speak up and share your successes and failures
when trying to protect your information!
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Solution: The best way to get logos is go to a company’s website and look in the press /
investor area. They usually have higher res images in there for news agencies. They work
great on drawings as well. If they do not have a section with logos then Windows 7 is to the
rescue. Simply pull up the website and grab the snipping tool
[Start->All Programs->Accessories->Snipping Tool]
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Issue: Little bit more complex problem, maybe there is a lot of specials on the drawing and
the boss wants them gone or the drawing only prints out faint and is hard to read.
I deal with this a lot so I have had to put some money into this problem.
Solution a: Raster Design from Autodesk - This tool actually lets you open a scan and do
things like de-speckle and change text in an image file. It works a lot like Adobe Pro does for
PDF’s.
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Solution b: PDF to CAD software - This is my next step, although the software can be
found for free or considerable cheaper than Raster, it is my second step. Raster will let me
clean it up before I get WYSIWYG. If I have a blueprint page full of speckles then I will get
10,000+ little lines, I then have to clean up. On the other hand if I have a good clean CAD in
PDF but it will only print washed out, I use the PDF convert. This will make it look the same as
far as millions of lines for dashed contours, but it will print obeying pen tables and plot styles.
PDF2CAD has a very simple interface I like. Just choose your file, then hit next. It
will come up and tell you all the files you just selected and tell you where it is
going to dump them.
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Andrew Warren
[email protected]
270.237.7217
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