3 Interview Transcripts From The Regenerate Yourself Masterclass From Sayer Ji
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Joel Bohemier, DC
Dr. Bohemier: Well, welcome back. We’re a year why I wrote the book, Regenerate, and why the
into Regenerate, and I’ve got to say. Sayer, your masterclass was produced in the first place.
book was launched in one of the most peculiar
times in our lifetime. And despite all of the Dr. Bohemier: Well, that’s great. I mean, my
obstacles, it was still overwhelmingly accepted favorite part, I believe, just to encompass it,
and loved by the public, becoming a bestseller, would be the understanding that there’s an
and still continues to thrive to this day. Why do innate wisdom within the body that is so uniquely
you think that is, given these interesting times? intertwined with the outside environment and the
inside environment. And how the communication
Sayer: Well, it’s really inspiring to me, to between those two environments allow a radical
see how the book, despite the fact that all resilience, if the communication is allowed to
bookstores around the world were pretty prosper. Right?
much closed, launched in a lockdown situation
of unprecedented scale. Still, because of the [2:35]
enthusiasm that came off of the Regenerate
Masterclass 1, we had so many people that were Sayer: Exactly, yeah.
empowered, they were enthusiastic, they learned
about how their body has the ability to heal, how Dr. Bohemier: Do you feel like that’s at the core
they can take back control of their life. So that’s of what people are resonating with?
what I think generated the success of the book.
Sayer: Yeah, I think for myself, when I started to
It’s also why we’re here now, because we feel explore the themes in Regenerate, and I started
so honored and inspired by the response. We to understand that the old biology, if you will,
had thousands of people with comments and has written within it certain restrictions, certain
questions, and who wanted more and more of limitations around who we can be, how we can
the actual solutions that we are speaking to. And heal, that it started to feel almost like a sort
I think it’s a sign that in this moment, when the of a political constraint built into our scientific
world is closing in, we’re being told we can’t go understanding of the body. So when I started
outside and breathe, we can’t connect with our to look at the research that emerged, really
loved ones, there’s such a fear and anxiety that around 2000 is when all this research exploded
we need to be told that, in fact, it’s a birthright on microRNAs and the microbiome, and all the
for us to experience health, wellness, happiness, amazing discoveries around really regeneration of
enthusiasm. And that was really the basis for the brain, the heart, and the various tissues in the
Sayer: Great question. So what I love for people Sayer: Well, I just want the viewers to know, when
to do is to start with the induction apple diet you arrived after this six day mono diet, I mean,
because it’s so simple. The real promise is that you were so full of energy and life. And I was
when you simply eliminate everything else from actually like, “You look like you gained muscle.”
your life related to acquiring food, preparing food, And it’s true that when you do this, you start to
consuming food, cleaning it up afterwards, and access a type of energy and information that I
you just eat apples, it is almost a form of like quasi really do feel can provide nourishment at a higher
enlightenment. Because it simplifies everything level. So, I just would like to ask you what your
and you start to realize, “Wow, look how much experience was.
energy and time I put towards just thinking and
feeling food, not to mention digesting it.” Because Sayer: Well, the irony is that I was also
I believe Arnold Ehret, who was one of the early intermittent fasting at the same time, so I
advocates for raw food diet, as well as fasting, he wouldn’t eat till about one o’clock. And I’d have
said, “We dig our graves with our teeth.” maybe one or two apples there. And I’d have a
couple hours later, another one or two apples.
Dr. Bohemier: Totally. And that’s about all I ate, and I did that for six
days. And I have to say, the level of energy that I
Sayer: Right? And so, so much of what we think had was phenomenal. I felt great, I felt focused.
is nourishing us or that when we feel this morbid And I don’t really feel... like maybe I felt hungry
sensation that we call hunger, and we think that once or twice, but I would just drink water. And of
we’re really eating to give ourselves energy, so course, it would take a 10 out of 10 hunger down
much of it is actually in the way of us feeling really to a 5 out of 10, and then you can deal with it
nourished and really energized by food. So the quite easily.
interesting thing, Joel, is you just came off of this
very thing. The other thing that I noticed, which was quite
interesting, is just the intricacy of the taste of the
apples. I felt like my taste buds changed. And for most of our food today, the plants, called
the apples were so flavorful, they were just like angiosperms, are fruit bearing. And they also
this massive explosion of incredible sweetness include cereal grasses, the grains that people eat.
and vibrancy that I was ingesting. And it just felt But what happened was around 250 million years
absolutely great. ago, complex animal life and the angiosperms
went through this period of profound
Sayer: This is such a great example of why I’m cooperation, where they started to outsource
so excited about this induction because what certain aspects of their own physiology to the
happens, folks, is that when you start to engage other kingdom.
this process, you don’t actually feel hunger
because the whole principle is you eat another So that apples needed animals to spread their
apple when you’re hungry. And you’ll find that seeds. So, basically, in a jungle environment, you
often what we think is hunger isn’t because when don’t have wind to disperse seeds, but you have
you’re faced with just another apple to eat, you animals who want to eat the fruit. So they eat
realize, “Wow, actually, I wasn’t hungry. I was the fruit and they disperse the seed. And then in
craving something.” Real hunger, though, when exchange, the animals receive what is essentially
you’re really feeling like, “Wow, I’m starting to an upgrade to their entire being, through the
digest some of myself,” which by the way, is the software in the apples. And that’s what exosomes
real side benefit here, your body starts to actually are. Exosomes are little nanoparticles that are
consume in inverse order the unhealthy tissue, found within the apple that then transfer the
leaving intact the healthy tissue. information to the thing eating it. So then we get
what is essentially an upgrade to our endocrine
That is one of the amazing things about the apple system, our reproductive system, by eating the
diet as well, is you’re not shutting your system apple.
down. I’ve done water fasts. You’ve done water
fasts. I’ve done a week before and that was a very Dr. Bohemier: So can I just stop you here?
difficult experience because for me, my digestive Because I feel like this understanding is so
system stopped and it didn’t feel like I was really profound, number one, and important in the
nourishing myself. I wasn’t at the point where sense that I feel so thankful when I’m eating that
I could just access, if you will, that zero point apple or the locally grown veggie that I get from
energy. In this situation, what you’ll find is you the farmers market, or from the backyard garden.
start to cleanse from the inside out. And like you I feel so thankful, with the understanding that it’s
said, even the exquisite nature of the apple starts upgrading my genetic expression, to be able to
to be foregrounded. It’s like the perfect food. You deal with our environment in a more profound, in
go back to biblical times or you can just go back a more synchronous way.
to the ancestral template philosophy, it is in many
ways, the perfect food. Sayer: That’s it.
need to be healthy, it is infinitely different. You Sayer: I mean, in this day and age, it has never
will literally degenerate if you eat a conventional been more important. When you think about
produced tomato, and you will regenerate if you just the sheer math of it, to travel from California
eat one that has been grown according to these with like your typical organic carrot, to the east
ancient practices. Now, it’s not just also within the coast, it might take 500 calories of fossil fuel to
food, the microbiome of each food is essential, deliver one calorie of that actual food. When we
because you have literally trillions of these talk about sustainability, there’s actual legitimate
microorganisms without which, we would die. reason to say, “Hey, this is not sustainable.” But
Which obviously, runs counter to the dominant when it comes to the local economy and food
narrative that germs are the primary cause of independence and sovereignty, if ever there
disease and we all need to be freaked out by was a time where we need to connect with our
them. No, we need them. local growers, and start really exchanging value,
almost like a bartering type of system, this is the
Dr. Bohemier: Yeah, and an apple actually has time. Because it has so much to do with how
what, a billion bacteria? we’re going to navigate the upcoming transitions,
because of unfortunate problems with climate
Sayer: It has so many bacteria, it’s almost like a change, as well as architected changes in our food
constellation and part of its microbial aura. And supply.
then it has fungi and viral particles, some of which
are exosomes from other plants and bacteria. The Dr. Bohemier: Now let’s transition to
dirt actually is probably more therapeutic than supplementation, because so many people now
the actual plant at times, depending on where are taking all types of vitamins and minerals
the dirt came from. And that’s what we mean by to supplement their diet. Where is your stance
quality, because if it’s a biodynamic farm, that on supplementation? And I know the quality of
soil quality is going to be next level. In fact, one of supplementation matters. And I also want to
the methods they use is take an old growth tree, know, what are your favorites?
and they take a plug of soil from the root system
to inoculate the plot of land they use to grow the Sayer: Sure. Yeah, I’ve spent many years
food. working with supplements, helping actually,
many people with them, before I even created
Another example is, raw honey has in it; strains GreenMedInfo. And so I’ve always really been
of lactobacillus that have now been tracked back drawn to supplements and primarily because I
to be about 80 million years of nonstop, passing myself was... I would describe myself as a casualty
down through the midgut of the bees. So like, of pharma early on, due to my infant diagnosis
basically, when you consume certain of these of asthma and some of the medications that
ancient foods, you are replenishing or restoring then led to other health issues. Now, I know that
the flora that maybe has been absent for there is always a natural alternative for any of
generations, due to the Industrial Revolution and these conventional medications. And that’s why,
being uprooted from our land. of course, I created GreenMedInfo, so that we
could house all this amazing research on all the
Dr. Bohemier: So biodynamic farming or alternatives.
regenerative farming. And then how important is
local, buying and eating locally grown produce? That said, I now understand that food is the
primary medicine. In fact, I often say it’s that
through which medicine isn’t required. So if we acid with a mineral like calcium carbonate, it’s not
eat really well, we don’t ever need to take heroic going to go into your arteries as readily, if you
doses of supplements or any kind of chemical will. Like I don’t advocate calcium supplements,
pills. generally speaking, for a number of reasons. But
if you’re going to do them, a chelated one with
[15:00] an amino acid makes the most sense. That said,
ultimately, its food supplements that are the way
So for me, supplementation has got different to go. There’s many ways to do it.
levels. I personally think that when you go back
to the basics of first, the induction with the apple You have the Grow Company in New Jersey, who
diet, again, do it for just a day. Try it out. If you innovated the process by basically taking USP
want, you can go to a more heroic level like you isolate nutrients and minerals, feeding it to yeast
tried it. But then getting into the ancestral diet in a bioreactor, and then it’s transformed into
is where we really start to heal and regenerate, a food complex within the yeast. That’s pretty
which is something that the supplements can’t profound because what happens is in your
replace and shouldn’t replace. So I do think body, or in the foods you eat, which come from
supplementation can help fill in the gaps and help living things’ bodies, the nutrients are bound
to balance out various ailments, but I don’t want to proteins, which act like chaperones. Which
people to get stuck in supplementation. like a delivery system, are like a zip code, where
it says, “You go to this part in the body.” When
Dr. Bohemier: So for example, I like adding lion’s you produce USP isolates, you don’t have that
mane to my smoothie. And I feel like total focus intelligence or that delivery system.
when I add lion’s mane. I don’t do it every day or
anything like that. Would that be like a healthy So even the supplements I like are really food
way to do it or like, what is your recommendation concentrates. So when you point out lion’s
there? Because I know that both of us, we mane, it’s a great example. It’s great to take
appreciate more whole food type of supplements, concentrates of these really powerful food
rather than just like, add synthetic vitamin A or extracts or plant extracts with something like a
something like that. smoothie, for example, versus taking it as a pill
form. That said, there is a role for supplements, I
Sayer: Exactly. Well, it’s a good thing to talk about. personally take supplements; I take magnesium
So most of the supplements on the market, like, often, magnesium glycinate. When I’m feeling low
you look at ascorbic acid or calcium pills, they’re energy, I take chlorophyll pills, because I get the
known as United States Pharmacopoeia [USP] photonic energy from the sun. I also sometimes
isolates. And they’re usually produced by these take ubiquinol, which is a reduced or basically
massive, transnational pharmaceutical companies antioxidant form of coenzyme Q10.
and chemical suppliers. So a lot of them are not
really what I would consider natural. And yet, I don’t always like taking that kind of supplement.
they’re usually orders of magnitude safer than But it’s a good example because when you do
their chemical alternatives, i.e. drugs. increase the level of say, an energy cofactor
exogenously, from the outside, it can cause some
So what I like people to understand is, then there’s dependency inside. So if I take it for a few days
another layer down, which is chelates. So you can and I stop, I’m going to feel a little energy drop
attach, you can literally claw together an amino because I didn’t work on facilitating my own
resilience internally. And it’s like taking coffee, you physical nourishment. And then, the nourishment
get a blast of chi that would have been distributed becomes another form of true healing because
throughout your day, and then you feel tired later. you eat out of gratitude, pleasure, with others.
So keep that in mind, folks. They have a role but Oh, it just becomes the way it’s supposed to be,
there is a cost sometimes that you pay. an expression of divinity. Because you start to
really feel just such gratitude and such sensual
Dr. Bohemier: Yeah. And also taking the same pleasure as your senses cleanse from all that
supplement every day for the rest of your life is addictive, slimy, gunky stuff that most people call
a bad idea because the effectiveness, like you’re food today.
saying, decreases over time.
Dr. Bohemier: That’s right. So, as people apply
Sayer: Yes. this to their lives, what are your final thoughts for
them? What are your wishes, your prayers? What
Dr. Bohemier: Okay. So we’ve got induction, we can you speak into their lives that you want to see
have reentry, we have supplementation, and the them evolve into or become, because and as a
last thing is adding some mind, body healing. result of Regenerate?
Sayer: Welcome back to the Regenerate give you some basic information on how to build
Masterclass. I’m here today with my good friend a good one. It’s a wonderful delivery system for
and colleague, Tania Melkonian, chef and also all these nutrients. And I think you’re going to talk
nutritional expert, Ayurvedic practitioner, just about each of these lovely ingredients we have.
a number of amazing things, yogi. And what Coconut milk, dragon fruit, or pitaya, starfruit.
we’re going to do today is dive deep into a topic That’s just what we have lying around here,
that is central to my life’s work, which is food as you can use any number of things. We’ve got
information and food as a way to heal yourself. persimmon, which is a wonderful ingredient, and
And the best possible way to do that is to actually of course, blueberries. So I’m going to just start
using these delicious foods and talking about the and I think you have a ton to say.
benefits as we’re preparing them.
So today’s focus is actually on a smoothie. And Sayer: Alright, yeah.
yet what Tania and I’ve done over the years, to
give you background, is we used to go out there Tania: Let’s start with a liquid base.
and do presentations on an edible philosophy
of nutrition, and we called it Eatomology, as Sayer: Yeah, well, let’s start there. And look, you’re
a play on the word eat and etymology. And not using obviously cow’s milk, we’re using the
so the beauty of this approach is, by the time ancestral template, which excludes animal milks
you’re done watching, you are going to be and grains. So that’s the starting point. But what
so infused with a feeling of being nourished I want to say right off the bat is what we’re using
and regenerated, because you’ll know that it’s here are part of the angiosperm family of plants
true. That the information on the benefits and that now subtend 70% of the world’s nutrition.
70% comes from these fruit bearing plants.
within the food itself is so packed with healing
properties, that it’s not just going to feel and
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taste beautiful, you’re going to actually feel the
medicine working inside.
And what’s interesting is that these berries
and these fruits are actually fruiting ovaries of
Tania: In fact, smoothies are sort of very plebeian,
the plants. And when you consume them, they
they’re very pedestrian, they come up a lot on
Instagram posts and profiles and what people literally tonifile, heal, and upgrade the longevity of
are eating, and they show pictures of their the endocrine organs in the body.
smoothies. We’re breaking it down. So these are
And for women specifically, especially within the
the components of a smoothie. We’re going to
perimenopausal, menopausal window, this stuff things like corn, heavily processed. Fruit in its
will actually cause you to be able to experience natural form, packaged in the natural way, does
some of the benefits that have sometimes not contribute to type two diabetes. It’s been
been talked about with HRT, but without the confirmed over and over through meta analyses
downsides. And this is literal, and we’ll go into that that this is not true.
in a minute. So this is actually truly a prescription
for your endocrine health and longevity. [4:55]
Tania: Yeah, and in terms of the architecture And the reason is, it’s actually sweeter than
of the smoothie, you’re starting with the most sugar. Fructose is sweeter but its lower glycemic
liquid component and then we’re adding in fruit, and it will be utilized properly by the body when
this dragon fruit, this pitaya, which is also very it’s packaged in nature’s perfect ingredient for
water rich. So it’s going to help build a good base. sweetness, which is fruit. And by the way, fruit
Speaking of HRT alternatives, we’re going to use comes from the Latin word meaning joy and you
ground flax, which is wonderful, and I just have should feel pleasure right with these things. So
a teaspoon here, putting it in, it’s going to add a that’s one of the beautiful things about this kind
thickness, a richness, and so much more. of sweetener.
Sayer: She beat me to it. That’s how smart a Tania: And I get asked a lot in my cooking
woman she is. Actually, she doesn’t need me to workshops and that kind of thing, “Isn’t it not a
do this. Trust me, this is HRT. Flax seed is the good idea to have fruit in smoothies?” When in
most validated, hormone replacing or modulating fact, I think the misconception is that when you’re
food that I know of. If you go on GreenMedInfo juicing, when you’re extracting, you’re just getting
alone, you look at the pages on epithelial cancer, the liquid out of a component, then vegetables
so that’s breast and prostate, you’ll find this has are better. But because we’re blending here, we’ve
been clinically validated to suppress the growth of got a lot of that fibrous tissue that remains, which
tumors and cancers within those tissues. So this is is really good for us. So it’s okay to blend fruits. In
actually, probably one of the best ways to support fact, it’s really desirable.
hormone health for both men and women, while
actually not even have to think about all that Sayer: Absolutely.
because it’s just delicious. It adds body, right?
Tania: I’m adding in blueberries. I’m also adding
Tania: Yes. And then the starfruit, the carambola, a little bit of vanilla extract, which you can omit if
a nice vitamin C rich fruit, adds a lot of sweetness, you like.
as does this persimmon, and that’s got a ton going
for it. And it’s a nice, ripe persimmon. So we’ve Sayer: And just to give you a little like, zoom out,
added that in on top of what we did last time we when it comes to blueberries, I mean, you think
were looking at the contents of the blender. about these terrible scourges on human health,
like triple negative breast cancer. When I was
Sayer: And the thing about sweetness is this, doing research on blueberries, I found research
is that we think about sweet, we think, “Okay, showing that they’re able to induce cell death in
diabetes, we have to be careful.” And there’s truth this very hard to treat line. So again, even though
to it when we’re dealing with synthetic fruit sugar, it may look as innocent, delicious as a berry, it has
also known as fructose, which often comes from such profound healing properties and benefits
that I could probably spend a week just talking chew it, it’s ready to go. It’s delicious. And again,
about the benefits of berries. it’s containing all this information in the form of
these things called exosomes that are literally set
Tania: In fact, a smoothie is kind of an allegory up to help increase our longevity and resilience;
for a magic potion. You’re putting in all these like, because we are animals, we eat the berries, they
seemingly innocuous on their own ingredients, have the seeds and they reproduce with our
and you’re getting a huge, powerful punch. This is health. Same goes, like we actually see an increase
amchur, which is dried green mango powder, and in our own reproductive fitness, our health, our
I made it myself, you can also find it in South Asia youthfulness, by eating the berries. It’s a win-win
and specialty stores. I’m just putting in a tiny bit. situation and it’s as old as time itself.
It gives a little tang and a little brightness and of
course, it adds a lot of healthful properties as well. Tania: It is, as you say, it’s interesting that you
bring that idea up of a fast food because fast food
Sayer: Yes, not only is it extremely high in vitamin has become synonymous with super processed.
C, which from food form, is better than any This is literally just mushed. Its food as it appears
supplement that could ever be created but it has in nature, the way we get it from the earth. Yeah,
mangiferin, another very powerful polyphenol and so I’m going to pour you some.
antioxidant that you probably haven’t heard a lot
about. You hear about green tea and catechin Sayer: We don’t need Styrofoam. It comes in its
and curcumin and turmeric, and resveratrol for own packaging and the packaging is itself, often
things like red wine, but when it comes down to it, edible and full of wondrous ingredients.
almost all these plants have these really powerful
antioxidant compounds that we can utilize to Tania: Okay. It’s got this really interesting kind
increase our longevity and our wellness. of pinky hue. It’s got the black from the dragon
fruit, and it’s got these little specks of orange. So,
Tania: This is a powerful blender and I’m going cheers.
to make a little bit of noise right now to blend
all this up. If you don’t have a fancy, powerful Sayer: Oh, wow. Cheers. Perfect. A lot of texture.
blender, you would just add the components one
at a time and then blend a little bit before you Tania: This is really good.
keep adding.
Sayer: It’s really a meal and it has such a
[7:35] complexity. It’s not like a normal smoothie you get
at a smoothie shop.
So just to review, we have the most liquid, you go
from the most liquid to the most dense, and then Tania: No, it looks like an intelligent smoothie.
you add the smaller ingredients afterwards. And Somehow it seems sophisticated. Maybe it’s the
you can add things like the flax seed, the vanilla color, maybe it’s the texture, and it has a different
extract, and the amchur, the mango powder, taste. And we used ingredients that whether
really at any time. So here we go, we’re going you’re in the tropics and they’re lying around in
to like create this magic potion now. your kitchen there, or you’re further north and
they’re lying around in your kitchen there, they’re
Sayer: This is the original, okay, fast food, by the easy to come by, these ingredients.
way. This is what it’s about. You don’t have to
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Tania: Cheers.