rohaansaeedSenior PakWheeler

Posts: 3862Joined: Aug 2006

I went through the thread and have found a number of people asking me what engines they can go for

Firstly, I'll say stick to the A-series, if yours is weak, get a replacement, I can help you guys with getting
A18 and A20 engines.

If not the A-series, the B20A/B Non vtec is the second best bet, I can also help you guys find those as I
have some in sight.

If none of these, one can go the D16 route but that's the least favorable option as the mounting is
different and the D-series doesn't do justice to the CA chassis

Rather get a B16/B18 swap if you want to change the mounting or go F20B/H22 which have the torque
to pull this car.
This option is only for those who don't want to stick to the originality of the chassis and will be willing to
carry out major alterations that will include making new engine mounts/brackets, getting custom axles,
H22 shifter assembly with cables and EFi fuel tank conversion.

Lastly if anyone wants to go full maniac mode, a K20/K24 swap will do, again this will require work but it
is possible and has been done.

For daily driving I'll say stick to the A and B series without alterations
For daily driving while willing to do some alterations, F20B is the best bet.

If you guys want detailed info, ask me and i'll help out.
XulfiqarSenior PakWheeler
Posts: 34043Joined: Aug 2003
2d
mehboob89

For bolt on fitting, you are in bad luck as that model accord has a very unique design and Honda never
made any other car with similar design.

meaning - to fit bolt to bolt, you need engines from same accords
A16 - small single carb engine which you have.
A18 - single or dual carb
A20 - single carb or EFI
B20 - EFI - but this engine is extremely rare to see in Pakistan,

All the above engines only fit this model Accord. The transmissions are unique too and only fit this
model accord. unlike D engines which were in Civics, Integras, CRX etc, or later F engines which were in
Accords and Preludes.

If you pop open the bonnet you will notice the engine room is very narrow compared to later model
civics or integras. Meaning if you want to shoehorn of those in there, you will need to cut a lot of metal
which will weaken the car a lot.
bradpitSenior PakWheeler
Posts: 2148Joined: Nov 2010
Aug '11

Bhai app ye wale engine swap kar sakte ho A16A EDM 90PS, A18A JDM 111PS, B18A JDM
130PS, A20A1 USDM 99PS, A20A3 USDM 120PS, A20A4 EDM 122PS, B20A2 137 PS
EDM, B20A JDM 16PS.

A16A1 buhat acha, raliable aur economical engine hai, bigger engines expensive aur powerful
hein B series buhat expensive hein aur available nahin hein cause different from Civic short
stroke B series.

Aap ko bilal gunj ya shershah jaise kabar market mein engine mil jaye gein. Try ke aap ka
original engine overhaul ho jaye, ring piston sab mil jate hein, authorized Honda importer ke
paas. Swap se resale bhi kam hoti hai aur original engine ki fitting bhi nahi aati.

D series engine is wali Accord mein fit nahin hote engine bay bohat slim hai bilkul sports car ki
tarah.Piston aur head 10-13K mein mil jaen ge Karachi mein easily.

Mera naam Waqar hai aur mein 86-89 model ki Accord aur Mercedes ka expert hoon aap ko koi
help chahye ho tu I am welcome.

XulfiqarSenior PakWheeler
Posts: 34043Joined: Aug 2003
Aug '11

yes - that accords engine bay is quite narrow. and you cannot mount any D series engine in that
unless you are willing to weld new mount brackets and cut the right chassis leg.

The mount setup in this car is rather strange.

its got 3 main load bearing mounts and all are mounted to the engine, one in front, one in back
and one on the T belt side, there are 2 movement limiting torque mounts one about 3 inches
block of rubber underneath the engine/transmission and a dog bone torque rod at the top of the
engine to the firewall. The transmission has no mounting.

The A16A1 is an iron workhorse, pretty small for the car but the transmission is geared low to
make up for the low power, correct maintenance (which is very cheap for this engine) is all you
need for it to keep running like new.

There is a JDM 160 hp B20A that fits this accord and one is in Shershah - its incomplete -
broken valve cover and no transmission - you need to use your original transmission but need the
bell housing from an B18 dual carb integra engine. The ECU is has a PH4 parts code and I have
one in my storage in Karachi. -
made a B20A 3rd gen accord once with a full engine/trans package, it was quite nice - torque
enough to ignite your tires in the first 2 gears, I also made a F20A gen4 accord and an F20A
gen3 accord - major surgery - later put a H22 head on the 4th gen accord - result = short stroke
H22 - can you say REV please.

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XulfiqarSenior PakWheeler
Posts: 34043Joined: Aug 2003
Aug '11

The B20A that will fit his car is very rare animal - its the forward tilted engine that only came in
the JDM and Euro Accord Si 1986-1989 - it is completely different from the regular off the mill
B20 you see being VTEC'd. In fact you cannot put a VTEC head on it - the oil lines and bolt
holes dont even match with any VTEC head.

This is the engine

The F20A I put a H22 head on is coded as PT2 - it came in the JDM Accord Si of 1990-1993 -
the engine is a DOHC headed balance shafted engine. Very torquey.

i was talking about the b20b we have piles and piles lying around here cause i only saw one b20a here a
Golden-top
Yes you canot just slap a Vtec head on a b20a(prelude) head you need tons and tons of modification
rework all the oil lines and Stud work to match the Vtec head simply a complete head job and a guy on
preludepower did it who used to specialize in Frankbuilts said its just not worth it to much
time+money+effort and will just be better to slap a H deeeedee

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bradpitSenior PakWheeler
Posts: 2148Joined: Nov 2010
Aug '11

alali3091 zulfiqar bhai ne aap ko bilkul sahi guide kiya hai.

Aap ko complete head Karachi mein mil jaye ga both chinese and original, absolutely no need to
put any H22 or B20B in your car, aap ki car buhat problem kare gi. CRV ke engine forward
inclining nahi aur wiring bhi har koi nahi kar sakta, USDM engine ki diagram bhi nahi mile gi.
Aap ki car ka transmission C9 hai, buhat torque nahi utha sakta 115-130 NM max when new, do
not push 25 year old tranny.
Zulfiqar bhai jaise log aap ko lahore ya karachi mein nahi milen ge aur aap buhat tension mein aa
jao ge. Aap ko automatic linkage mein bhi modification karne pare gi nahi tu gear upshift or
kickdown mein bhi jerk feel ho gi. Cng par backfire bhi hoga agar correct ignition ya mixture
nahi ho, EFI mein bohat sare sensor hote hein CNG par buhat trouble karte hein especially auto
transmission mein.

aap 32/36dgev ya buhat power chahiye tu 38dges twin barrel carb kabar market mein find karo
aap ki car 1st gear mein 50km/hr easily touch kare gi. uis mein 32mm ka primary aur 38 mm ka
secondary down draft barrel hai, pehle first open hoga, full accelerator par 38mm ka open hoga,
electric choke bhi hai, 38dges mein 2 38mm ki barrel eik sath open hoti hein full accelerator aur
petrol par aap ko eagle eye civic bhi back view miroe mein nazar aaye gi, fuel consumption will
increase. Aap ko CNG ki achi imported venturi plaza se mil jaye gi aur Landi renzo STAP 100B
advancer bhi mil jaye ga.

Karachi mein plaza market mein new bhi mil jaye ga but 15-19K Rs ka hoga, chinese one.
Rings/Pistons, valve clearance, ignition timing distributor service or compression testing ke baad
aap ka engine bilkul naya ho jaye ga.

If you want to A20A3 or A18A swap is best, there is no replacement for displacement.

Mere paas 500 pages ka technician manual bhi hai CA4/5 85-89 Accord aur Mercedes W124
W202 or BMW E36 ka. If you want mein aap ko email bhi kar doon ga.

XulfiqarSenior PakWheeler
Posts: 34043Joined: Aug 2003
Sep '12

mounting points for the F and H are similar - major surgery required. B18 twin carburettor for
this accord maybe available in shershah - I used to see a few there, it would look like an integra
engine but the transmission would have no mounting boss. The head has square ports for the
intake and the air filter box is mounted to the back of them, The air filter used is the same as the
A16 one. Very rev happy engine.

The B18 of civics have mounting points made for civics/integras and share the same points as the
D engines.

Unless you are willing to cut off major sections of steel from the unibody (front chassis leg) to
accomodate the transmission of the H or F series engines, your choice is limited.
syedrizvi1PakWheeler
Posts: 2Joined: Jan 2014
Feb '16
bradpit

Dear Waqar,

I just purchazed engine A20A4 for my honda accord 1987 with automatic gare and replacement
process is goin on.

Can you send us the tecnician manual 500 pages which you can send us to help for engine
instalation,kindly email us at my addres a.s.a.p. ( [email protected] )

I need advise for engine oil which i sellect to put in engine is synthatic 5-30 what you suggest ?
That engine come from japan as per my order and I think engine oil is used for is synthatic oil
that's why I prefere to use as same.

For automatic gare and power staring oil what you suggest Mr Waqar ?

Thanks

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rohaansaeedSenior PakWheeler

Posts: 3862Joined: Aug 2006

B20A Hands down

Don't even think about swapping a B16, H22 or the D16.

Give priority to the B20A engine as it's bolt on. It's PGM-Fi so make sure you get the complete setup
(uncut wiring and ECU included).

This engine came in the JDM Accords, Preludes and Vigors 

Never gave me any trouble, car always ran smooth as silk and it's a LOT better option compared to

the A-series 

There were two variants, one is the Black top and one is the Golden top, you're more likely to find
the Black top over here, both have an output of a very decent 160hp.

You can even give consideration to the B18 series.

B20A and B18's are mostly PGM-Fi so yes you'll be switching from Carby to PGM-Fi, more fuel
efficiency and more power.

Oh and PGM-Fi stands for Programmed Fuel Injection 

This model accord does not have a transmission mount, the engine bears on 3 mounts, for weight
and 2 for torque twisting. The 3 are: timing side, front and back on the subframes, the torque twisting
ones are the one long dogbone at the top of the engine and one small rectangle piece under the
transmission.

Its sister prelude is incredibly rare in Pakistan, I know of one only in Quetta, the Integras share the
civic platform and utilise completely different mounting points.
You'll be able to find the D15b easily but it's not very suitable for a CA4 Accord. It might provide you
more power than an A16 but keep in mind, a D15 is not a bolt on fit in this Accord and you wont
have the same pleasure of driving as you have right now.

My B20A Accord gave me around 11km/l upon careful driving and on highways the max I got was
15km/l which is pretty darn good for a 2.0 engine.

A D-series swap might be good on the fuel consumption, but certainly not reliable at all, you won't
have a trouble free car, it won't do much wonders in this Accord, you're better off with an A20.