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"If You're Ugly, the Blackpill is Born with You": Sexual Hierarchies,
Identity Construction, and Masculinity on an Incel Forum Board
Josh Segalewitz
University of Dayton
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"If You're Ugly, the Blackpill is Born with You":
Sexual Hierarchies, Identity Construction, and Masculinity on an Incel Forum Board
by
Josh Segalewitz
Honorable Mention
Abstract:
The manosphere is one new digital space where antifeminists and men's rights activists interact
outside of their traditional social networks. Incels, short for involuntary celibates, exist in this
space and have been labeled as extreme misogynists, white supremacists, and domestic
terrorists. This project aims to understand discussions happening among incels and situate
them within social understandings of masculinity. I downloaded 4,532 threads posted on
incels.is and randomly sampled 100 for analysis. Through grounded coding methodology, I
identified the importance of making meaning of manhood on this site, particularly with respect
to sexuality. Further, I found that incel ideology rests on the creation of sexual hierarchies that
emphasize perceived attractiveness. Finally, I explore the debates within this space on who is
able to claim membership and how borders of the space are policed. This is significant because it
reveals how marginalized men respond to and reproduce gendered hierarchies.
Two mass killings within the decade by men claiming to be "incels" propelled the group
into the national spotlight. In May of 2014, Elliot Rodger killed 6 people and himself in Isla
Vista California. Before his rampage, Rodger posted a video online titled, "Elliot Rodger's
Retribution," in which the twenty-two year old proclaimed, "I don't know why you girls aren't
attracted to me ... it's an injustice, a crime." Four years later in April of 2018, Alek Minassian
drove a van through a crowd in Toronto, Canada, killing 10 people. It remains the deadliest
vehicle ramming in Canadian history. Before the attack, Minassian declared on facebook, "The
Incel Rebellion has already begun! We will overthrow the Chads and Stacys! All hail the
Supreme Gentleman Elliot Rodger!"1 Since these events, major news outlets (including The New
Yorker, The New York Times, The Los Angeles Times, USA Today, and the Washington Post)
covered incels and labeled them extreme misogynists, white supremacists, and domestic
terrorists.
"Incel," short for involuntary celibate, is an identity claimed by some men in the
"manosphere," or the online space where antifeminists and men's rights activists converge. As
the name suggests, men who call themselves incels want to have sex and be in intimate
relationships with women, but have a perceived inability to do so. Incels cite a host of socially
structured reasons for their celibacy, including their unattractive qualities and socially awkward
personalities; the feminist agenda that has made it so women can choose to reject ugly men; and
society itself, which has systematically denied them the right to sexuality. lTitimately, incels
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In this quote, a "Chad" is the term that incels use to describe the most attractive men in society who are
sexually active. These men embody those characteristics which are typically associated with hegemonic
masculinity--they are physically strong and attractive, they are successful in professional life, and they
have sex with women as often as they desire it. A "Stacy" is a woman who conforms to conventional beauty
standards, and is powerful because of her looks. She is promiscuous by incel definition, but chooses to
only have sex with those who she thinks are also attractive, namely a Chad.
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masculinities, presenting a unique case for understanding theories of masculinity and it's links
While it is certainly important to recognize that there are incels who commit violent
crimes, it is also important to understand the vast majority of men who visit sites in the
manosphere and call themselves incels do not make national and international headlines. It is
easy to make broad assumptions about these men, given the coverage of incels in the media.
However, the average incel is not overtly violent in the ways that Elliot Rodger andAlek
Minassian were. Rather, he is a heterosexual man who posts on clandestine parts of the internet
where he can converse with other men who share his experiences and ideology. These comments
are not harmless; they often reflect deeply-rooted beliefs about the way society should be
organized hierarchically based on social categories (gender and sexuality being the most salient).
However, these comments can also provide one starting point to examine one way that men deal
with changing gendered and sexual meanings associated with specific identities in the digital
era.
The goal of this study is to utilize discussions on an incel forum board to understand how
men who call themselves incels make sense of their identity and navigate their sexual and
gendered performances according to incel ideology. This study begins with a review of current
literature. There exists little academic literature on incels, so this review is intends to outline a
theoretical framework for understanding incel masculinity, identify the importance of gender to
identity construction, examine the links between sexuality and masculinity, and discuss the
performance of masculinity in online spaces. Next, I give an in-depth explanation of the data
collection and content analysis methods used in this study. I follow this by describing the results
of this study and discussing the findings. I identify three dominant discourses among incels:
sexual hierarchies and the placement of incels within those hierarchies, identity construction
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and border patrolling according to "incel traits," and reframing of masculinity in accordance
with incel experiences. Finally, I conclude this paper by explaining how this study relates to
LITERATURE REVIEW
In general, there exists little academic literature on online masculine identities and only
a handful of articles that explore the incel community from an academic perspective.
movements through printed texts, but few studies have been conducted which analyze the online
presence and influence of men's rights activists more broadly, and incels in particular (Schmitz
and Kazyak 2016). In this literature review, I piece together current theories of masculinity to
better understand how incels both affirm and challenge those theories. llitimately, I recognize
that there is not one theory of masculinity which completely explains incel masculine
performance; rather, I aim to situate incel performance within several different sociological
theories explaining masculinity. Next, I explore the literature on identity construction in the
context of gender. I pay particular attention to the construction of gendered identities, noting
the importance of performativity and the work of creating and policing identity boundaries. For
online incel communities, the process of difference-making and social border construction is
important when exploring who is able to claim the identity in online spaces. I then explore the
connections between masculinity and sexuality. Recent research points to the importance of
virginity and celibacy as they relate to masculine identities. I proceed to assemble research on
how men navigate masculinity online by explaining the manosphere and masculine performance
within this space. Finally, I highlight two important studies which have analyzed masculine
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Theorizing Incel Masculinity
Masculinity is not composed of a specific set of behaviors, beliefs, and presentations, but
rather is variant, culturally specific, and time bound. As such, it is critical to consider the current
social climate within which some men congregate online around incel identity. Some scholars
presentations associated with maleness which ensure the proliferation of patriarchy and
establishes power of men over women and power differences in relationships between men
(Carrigan, Connell, and Lee 1985; Connell 1987; Connell and Messerschmidt 2005; Diefendorf
2015; Wilkins 2009). Hegemonic masculine performance is specific to the setting and time in
which it exists, dependent upon relationships between individuals, and unattainable to nearly
everyone (Connell and Messerschmidt 2005). Wilkins, for example, argues that, "the elusive
idea of hegemonic masculinity creates particular gender dilemmas for different boys and men as
they struggle to create socially recognized masculinities" (2009:343). One aspect of hegemonic
is important for men to flaunt heterosexual bravado among their peers, reinforcing hierarchies
over women and among groups of men (Diefendorf 2015; Pascoe 2007).
(Bridges and Pascoe 2014:246). In essence, this means that privileged men incorporate certain
behaviors into the dominant masculine ideology which have historically been coded as "black,"
"gay,• or "feminine,• among other marginalized identities. According to Bridges and Pascoe
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(2014), this hybridization leads to at least three main consequences (see alsoBridges 2014).
First, hybrid masculinities allow straight, white men to distance themselves from hegemonic
masculinity, while still reinforcing gendered relations of power and inequality. Second, hybrid
masculinities allow privileged men to strategically borrow from subordinate groups in order to
more easily disguise their heightened social power and to more rigidly contain these practices
within their subordinate identity groups. Finally, by obscuring symbolic and social boundaries
between identities, hybrid masculinities further entrench and conceal systems of inequality
(Bridges and Pascoe 2014). From this perspective, men increasingly accept diverse
of performances that "count" as masculine. In instances where there is less reason for men to
fear being perceived socially as gay (diminished homohysteria), there is room for both orthodox
and inclusive masculinity to arise (Anderson 2005, 2009). Orthodox masculinity does not
remain culturally hegemonic, but men who adopt this performance do remain tactically and
emotionally distant from one another (Anderson 2009). Conversely, men performing inclusive
men in social circles and valuing heterofemininity (Anderson 2009). IDtimately, inclusive
masculinity theory provides one explanation for the observed decrease in overt homophobia,
particularly among all male groups, despite the fact that covert homophobia and
heteronormativity still exist and have significant impacts (Anderson and McCormack 2018).
However, this theory is not without critique. Some have pointed out that "inclusive" behaviors
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function only for straight, white, and middle-class men to secure economic, politic, and social
power in the era of gay rights (de Boise 2015; Bridges and Pascoe 2014; O'Neill 2015).
For this study, I recognize the relevance and importance of eacli of these theories for
understanding masculinity. While they are at times conflicting, putting them in conversation
with one another allows for the articulation and exploration of the nuances of male identity and
experiences. A singular and rigid understanding of manhood is not sufficient to explain all of
these nuances. Additionally, each of these theories is helpful in understanding parts, but not the
perspectives regarding the social performance of masculinities, I can illuminate the complexities
of experiences of incels, and for other male-identifying individuals, who do not or cannot
constructed social identity that is culturally bound, mutable, and based on social performance.
In West and Zimmerman's words, gendered performance, is "not a set of traits, nor a variable,
nor a role, but the product of social doings of some sort... gender itself is constituted through
interaction ... and [can] thus be seen as 'natural,' while it is being produced as a socially
dependent upon their ability and willingness to act in ways that are consistent with the group to
whicli they aim to claim membership (Ridgeway 1997; Ridgeway and Correll 2004). Gendered
performance is one way that researchers can assess group membership and cohesion.
collective identity. Collective identity is based on the "we-ness" of the group; members are
expected to internalize qualities of the group, creating a single, unified experience against which
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people both within and outside of the collective can compare their experiences (Cerulo 1997;
Lamont and Molnar 2002). Since gender is traditionally conceived as a binary in which everyone
is expected to fit into one of only two categories, the meanings associated with "men" and
''women" collective identities are critical in this study (Ridgeway 1997; Ridgeway and Correll
2004). Further, this understanding is important when considering the outcomes for men who
involuntary) within collective identities leads to the creation and maintenance of difference.
Among gendered identities, expected performance by members in each group creates difference
between masculinity and femininity and among variations that exist within each category. It is
through ongoing, methodical, and situated accomplishments of social identities that difference
is constructed and maintained (West and Fenstermaker 1995). Thus, it is the "doing" of gender
in accordance with expected ways of performing that creates differences between groups based
and social boundaries. Symbolic boundaries are distinctions made by social actors to categorize
objects, people, practice, times, and spaces, while social boundaries are objective manifestations
opportunities (Lamont and Molnar 2002). When symbolic boundaries become widely agreed
upon, they can constrain social interactions and contribute to the formation of social boundaries
(Lamont and Molnar 2002). This interaction between symbolic and social boundaries is
observable when considering gendered boundaries. Individuals automatically assign others into
expectations are violated, punishment and stigmatization follows (social boundaries) (Lamont
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While the gendered identity-forming process goes beyond the binary creation of
maleness and femaleness, gendered boundaries also exist within these binary categories,
resulting in an uneven distribution of power amongst different groups of men. As a result, the
performance of masculinity becomes politicized both in relation to women and other men. While
all men experience power due to the socially constructed meanings associated with gender, it is
not helpful to talk about men as a monolithic entity because of the myriad differences and
inequalities among men (Messner 1997). As such, men who hold different identities learn to
navigate masculinity differently. For this project, it is helpful to acknowledge the difference in
experiences, power, and access to resources afforded to white men in particular.2 Key to
understanding white masculinity is the concept of aggrieved entitlement. Many white men still
buy into the ideals of traditional masculinity, yet economic and social changes have happened
fast and made many men feel cheated, unhappy, and unfulfilled (Kimmel 2013). As a result,
white men can become angry that they do not have the same opportunities to access resources
and power to which they may feel entitled (Kimmel 2013). Instead of questioning systems of
physical strength, self-control, and power. Researchers have, at times, documented a link
between aggrieved entitlement and violence, including mass murder and suicide (Kalish and
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By making this claim, I do not intend to assert that all men who post on incels.is are White. In fact, given
the international presence on the website, it is reasonable to expect that the site is actually quite diverse.
However, given that the unit of analysis for this project is not the men who post but the posts themselves,
and given that the posts are often written from a lens which perpetuates racial hierarchies with Whiteness
as the most powerful group, it is helpful to consider how these men are cloaked by anonymity on this
website. Essentially, men are able to perform White masculinity within this space, regardless of whether
or not they actually identify as White.
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Incel identity is primarily defined by the desire, but perceived inability, to create and
maintain sexually intimate relationships with women-hence the term involuntary celibate.
Thus, in order to make sense of incel masculine performance in online forums, it is imperative to
address the ties between masculinity and sexuality. When centering sexuality, masculinity can
be understood as a system of sexual discourses and identities that indicate power, dominance,
and control (Pascoe 2007). With this understanding, masculinity need not be attached to the
male body. For men doing masculinity, discussing heterosexual experiences is about affirming,
"much more than just masculinity; they affirm subjecthood and personhood through sexualized
interactions in which they indicate to themselves and to others that they have the ability to work
their will upon the world around them" (Pascoe 2007:86). "Compulsive heterosexuality,"
describes the ritualized interactions which eroticize male dominance and female submission;
rather than being about pleasure, compulsive heterosexuality is about affirming masculinity
dissect an individual's motivations for engaging in sexual activity. Men are more likely to cite
personal motivations for having sex (i.e. sex is an important part of a relationship, sex feels
good, sex makes me feel loved, I want to see what it feels like) while women are more likely to
cite partner-centered motivations (i.e. I want to express love and intimacy) (Patrick, Maggs, and
Abar 2007). Further, one study finds that men who evaluate their physical appearance more
positively are more likely to engage in risky sexual behavior than men who do not (Gillen,
Lefkowitz, and Shearer 2006). Thus, it is not solely the broader association of heterosexual
bravado and masculinity that is important to note, but also how masculinity is performed in an
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Finally, it is important to consider virginity within the context of masculinity, given the
prevalence of discussing virginity on the site. Researchers explain virginity through three
metaphors: a gift, a stigma, and a process (Carpenter 2002, 2005). Interestingly, researchers
have pointed out the importance of analyzing gendered power relations in early sexual
confused about whether and how to act on sexual desires (Carpenter 2002; Tolman 1994). While
there were both men and women in this study who ascribed each of the virginity metaphors, it is
notable that the "gift" metaphor typically disempowers women while the "stigma" metaphor
individual compares their own experiences to, it is rare for the experience of virginity loss to be
disempowering among both men and women (Carpenter 2002). Despite these narratives of
virginity loss, college-age men generally reported feeling more pressure than women to lose
their virginity soon (Sprecher and Regan 1996). A life course analysis of virgin involuntary
celibates shows that participants reported a lack of experience at several key transitional points
througl10ut adolescence (Donnelly et al. 2001). Once these individuals felt "off course" in their
sexual development, they attributed continued involuntary celibacy to several other factors
including shyness, troubles with body image, and precarious living and working arrangements
(Donnelly et al. 2001). Consequences for these involuntary celibates include deep
unsatisfactoriness with the course of their life and a sense of feeling "off time,• as if
opportunities that their peers have had simply passed them by (Donnelly et al. 2001).
Incels exist as one group in the "manosphere,• a loose confederacy of men who are,
production of hyperbolic misogynist discourse" (Jane 2018:662). The groups that occupy this
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space are often associated with "cyberhate" and other forms of online harassment that, at times,
can and should not be completely separated from violence that happens in the real world (Van
which often frame rape as a gender-neutral problem that has been exacerbated by the feminist
movements (Gotell and Dutton 2016). There are several different identities that populate this
space, including incels, "Men Going Their Own Way," and "Pick-Up Artists" (Ging 2017; Gotell
Participants in the manosphere often ascribe to what they call "Red Pill Ideology." Men
who are "red pilled" have become enlightened to the true nature of society, where male and
female sexual behaviors rely heavily on genetic determinism and women are, among other
things, "irrational, hypergamous, hardwired to pair with alpha males and need to be dominated"
(Ging 2017:12). Sexuality in this space becomes economized, in that sexual relationships are
often understood only in terms of quantity rather than quality (Van Valkenburgh 2018). Under
this system, there is little room for pleasure in sexual relationships; rather, sexuality in the
manosphere reflects the adoption of neoliberal principles into the understanding of sexual
relationships (Van Valkenburgh 2018). However, men in the manosphere often describe women
without agency of their own to participate in the sexual marketplace. Red pill ideology insists
that women will always choose to have sex with an alpha male but will settle for and financially
exploit beta males if this is not an option (Ging 2017). From this perspective, zeta males
(including incels) are left, against their desires, to celibacy. Incels are unique in their beliefs
because of a further adoption of "Black Pill Ideology," which recognizes the many of the same
principles of red pill ideology and adds the belief, in understanding one's position in the world,
he also understands that he cannot change his position in the sexual hierarchy. In contrast to
some groups in the manosphere that aspire to become alpha males, incel communities, "rail
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against rather than aspire to the alpha males of jock culture," adopting a language of victimhood
Finally, it is important to consider the online space that incels occupy and how people in
this space "do" masculinity. Participants in the manosphere have learned the importance of
developing an online subculture, which includes the use of repeated language patterns and
specialized programmatic features (Kendall 2000). As such, individuals in online spaces are still
able to reveal parts of their identity (like race, gender, class, sexuality, and age) which shape
interactions, despite the absences of often taken-for-granted visual cute present in other social
situations (Kendall 2000; West and Fenstermaker 1995). Additionally, race and gender attach
meaning to certain bodies (Kendall 2000). While bodies remain hidden online, references to
the bodies behind virtual identities become even more important because, "the assumed
congruence between certain types of bodies and certain physiological, behavioral, and social
characteristics results in the expectation by online participants that aspects of the hidden
bodies-of, in effect, other participants' "true" identities-can be deduced (if imperfectly) from
what is revealed online" (Kendall 2000:260). Thus, the importance of social identities should
METHODS
The goal of this research is to understand the discourse happening among incels to gain a
better sense of how they are making meaning of manhood and masculinity. This project takes an
inductive and qualitative approach to the research process. To achieve the goals of this project, I
chose to conduct a content analysis of the website incels.is.3 These methods make the most sense
3 A previous iteration of the site was called incels.me. This version of the site was deleted in 2017, and
incels.is was created in it's stead. The posts on incel.me did not carry over to the new site. After the
collection of the data for this project, the IP address for the site was changed to incels.co. However, all of
the comments were preserved in this transition. As such, comments tracing back to 2017, the start of
incels.is, are still accessible on the site incels.co.
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since data from online message boards is readily available and ethically obtained. Other
methods that require more researcher-subject interactions would be impractical, given the
anonymity that incels.is provides and the potential ethical conundrums of falsely claiming an
websites like reddit.com, 4chan.com, and Behan.com. Others post on independent forum
boards, like incels.is. I chose to analyze incels.is because it has been cited in several popular
news sources (Binder 2018; Tolentino 2018; Emba 2019), it is easily accessible, and contains
data that extends back to the site's creation in 2017. The popularity of this site among incels also
points to it's importance as a hub. By January 2020, according to statistics publicized on the
site, there were over 163,000 threads containing more than 3,510,000 comments. There were
nearly 11,000 members; if the time spent on this website by all members was added up, it would
amount to more than 32 years. lncels.is is a discussion based website, where an original poster
may create a new thread by giving a title (usually indicating the topic of the discussion) and the
first comment. Other users can respond by leaving subsequent comments. There are three main
groupings of threads that appear on the landing page of the website: "Inceldom Discussion,"
"Offropic," and "Meta & Feedback." For this project, I chose to analyze threads in the "Inceldom
Given the vast amount of information present, I decided that I would only analyze
threads containing more than 50 comments. This decision is methodologically defensible for
several reasons. First, I wanted to ensure that I would be able to capture and analyze
discussions. There are many threads on this website that have very few comments, so it would
be difficult to capture discourse if these threads were a part of the data set. The majority of
threads located in the "Inceldom Discussions" section of this website fall into this category, so
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this procedure ensures that threads with only a few comments did not dominate the data
sample. Second, I wanted to capture only the most important discussions on the website. While
there are a number of reasons why one thread may get more comments than another that are
not related to the importance of the topic discussed (time of day posted, for example), this is also
one of only a few ways to measure the importance of a conversation given the information
available on this site. Finally, the time and resources available for this project limited the
amount of data that could be collected and analyzed. Only using threads with more than 50
comments narrowed the amount of data to be collected while still ensuring that enough data
Anticipating variation in the types of conversations that would occur at different times of
year, I decided that my research study should span an entire year; the data used in this project
spans 2018. I downloaded every thread posted in this timeframe with more than 50 comments,
which amounted to 4,352 threads each with between 50 and 2,585 comments. I then randomly
selected 100 threads to code. Using a qualitative data analysis software (ATLAS.ti 8), I first
coded 20 threads (1424 comments) inductively using a grounded theory approach. In this phase,
I identified 65 themes and subthemes that occurred frequently in the data or that seemed
important and pertinent to this study. Since each thread contained a different topic, it was
important to continue to add to my codebook during this beginning phase as new themes
emerged in the threads. For the remaining So threads, I organized and restructured my
codebook to form 13 substantial themes according to the conclusions that I wished to make.
These themes can be found in Appendix I. In total, the 100 randomly sampled threads contained
7,767 comments that I analyzed as a part of this project. In the presentation of this analysis, I
cite direct quotes by referring to the screen name of a person posting on the site. All screen
names that are directly quoted in the results section of this paper are included in Appendix II.
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Given the nature of this research as graphic, violent, and emotionally charged, I feel the
need to locate myself within this process. When I first learned about incels from a reading a New
Yorker article, I was shocked, yet captivated. At the time, I was just beginning my study of
Sociology and working at a global NGO specifically advocating for sexual rights and access to
reproductive health care. I was a sexual violence peer educator, with a commitment to having
conversations about the role that everyone can play in eliminating violence. These men seemed
to lie at the intersection of many interests for me: gender, and masculinity in particular;
sexuality; pop culture; and power and privilege. However, the beliefs they held also seemed to be
For me, accounting for this dissonance was important at every step in the research
process. I am not under the impression that my own beliefs, identities, and experiences are
relationship to the comments that compose my data set shaped my analysis. This is not
something that is unique to my experience. Kathleen Blee, in reflecting on her field work with
white supremacists, said, "the vast gulf between my beliefs and those of racist group members
made intersubjective understanding nearly impossible, but it highlighted the puzzle of how they
came to adopt these beliefs. So too did the unintelligibility of their worldviews pull my eye
toward how someone could find these ideas plausible and reasonable" (2019: 756). In alignment
with this, I recognize that my disagreement with the views shared on incels.is sparked a
fascination, and at times near obsession, with understanding the discourse taking place on the
site. Simultaneously, however, my disagreement made sympathizing with this group laborious at
in this research as well. Kristin Blakely writes that emotionally engaged research requires
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researchers to ask questions that are unsettling, uneasy, and anxious; sitting with those
within their research. Taking responsibility for emotions in the research process, "involves
imperfect contexts... Our research is and can be only partial in its outcomes, data, method,
design, and setting, as well as in its understanding of the research participants and the studied
subject itself' (2007: 63). Each time I visited data for this project, I took time to free write on the
experience. These free-flowing, informal pieces often contained the initial thoughts that shaped
my results. They also, however, often contained reflections on personal reactions to the data.
Throughout the research process, I engaged with peers and advisors on what I was observing
and the emotional response that those observations provoked in me. This reflection-both in
to the data was deeply important when considering how I chose to shape my analysis and
discussion. Recognizing this, I offer a research project that is rigorous, academic, and complex,
lncels believe sexuality functions much like an economy. Some are at the top of the
hierarchy, and therefore have the most power in the market; these people have the most sex, but
are also able to choose when and with whom they would like to have sex. Men at the top of this
hierarchy are often called "Chads." "To be a true Chad," says.Arrogantcel, ''you don't just need to
be attractive you must also have some sort of status. Chad isn't just some pretty effeminate guy,
he's also somebody with many friends, knows a lot of people, extremely confident, has a strong
will, and is looked at as a "higher" person." lncels position others are in the middle of this
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hierarchy. Men in this group are often described using the phrase, "alpha fux beta bux"
indicating that women will choose to first sleep with "alpha" men (those at the top), and later
settle for a "beta" man (those in the middle) who has money. 37YearOldVirgin explains that,
"hot girls only get with ugly guys for money or status. This is hypergamy and not genuine
attraction.• Finally, there are those at the bottom of this sexual hierarchy. Incels place
themselves in this category, and insist that they are denied access to sexuality in the
marketplace. Incels often assign individuals to a position in a 10 point scale based on where
Incels insist that sexuality is monopolized by those at the top of this hierarchy, and that
the gap between those at the top and those at the bottom is increasing. "Times have changed,"
says 37YearOldVirgin, "and in the new sexual marketplace there really IS a massively widening
disparity between the sexually wealthy and the poor.• Another quote by a poster with the screen
name Lubricare explains that there is not only a widening sexual wealth gap, but that people
who were previously considered attractive are now more disadvantaged that they previously
were: "even a normie can become incel in a sexual market like today's. With ever rising
standards for men, sometimes I feel the line between normies and incels gets blurry. What was a
normie s years ago, today could be either roping or wanking until urethra inflammation
ensues.• Although there exists some disagreement, incels generally agree that blurring the "line
between normies and incels" has made all men who are not at the top of the sexual hierarchy
disadvantaged. Blackpill101 says that, "any sub8 male is a truecel in the 201o's+, since women
all truly go for Chads and rarely give a chance to a sub8 male in looks... there's no point in trying
Regardless of this perceived widening wealth gap and a recognition of the disadvantages
that most men have because of this hierarchy, incels insist that their position at the bottom of
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this hierarchy is worse than any other position. The user Dispair is not articulating anything out
of the ordinary when he says, "we are the downtrodden, the literal bottom of society." Further, it
is not uncommon for incels to exacerbate their perceived position in this hierarchy. In a thread
titled, "[News] [Dogpill] Irish hag-whore chokes on dog cum and dies," StoicNihillist says, "It's
still depressing to me though ... women would rather fuck dogs than me."
Race and ethnicity play an important role for incels in determining placement within this
hierarchy. There is debate about what qualities are most important in determining position
within the sexual hierarchy, but all incels agree that race and ethnicity ranks among the most
important. One incel with the screen name Raper says, "race > face > height > frame > penis
size." Rather than challenging racialized standards of beauty, incels acknowledge and reproduce
racial hierarchies in their discussions of sexuality. In some instances, the reproduction of these
hierarchies is blatant.. Using an inequality expression, a poster with the screen name 13k says,
''white > latino > blacks > asian > cats > dogs > a pile of horseshit > arabs > curries." Incels
adhere to a white standard of beauty, wherein whiteness is valued above all other racial and
ethnic categories (despite the fact that incels.is draws men from around the world, including
countries that are not predominantly white). Incels will often debate the JBW (Just Be White)
theory in their chats. While many refute that this is even possible, let alone helpful in moving up
within the sexual marketplace, they do discuss it at length, often bringing up that the advice they
get from people outside of the community aligns with this theory. In response to another incel
posting about race, TheGoodGuy writes, "I guess you believe in JBW and you are most likely
black because blacks envy whites so fucking much and believe 'JBW' and then the girls will be
drawn to your dick like a fucking magnet.• Incels are against interracial relationships, mainly
because they allow for greater competition within the marketplace. TheGoodGuy elaborates on
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this point: "People should stick to their own races and I don't like the idea blacks or ethnics
being with white girls, stay with your own damn girls."
Until this point, I have intentionally excluded women from the discussion of this sexual
marketplace, since their position seems to be the most fraught with disagreements and internal
contradictions. These disagreements, I believe, are because some participants describe their
observations of how they think women currently function in the sexual hierarchy, while others
assert their beliefs on the position women ought to hold. BP-ginning with the former, most incels
insist that women are at the top of the sexual hierarchy because they have the power to make
decisions. Essentially, women can choose to have sex whenever they want and with whomever
they want. FeminismsCancer says that this is due to biology: "I'm not PUTTING myself below
women, BIOLOGY does that for me. The individual with more options and choice is obviously
superior to the individual without any." Others attribute this to social power given to women
and not to men (or at least not given to men who aren't Chads). Yoyo insists that, "women live
life on celebrity mode." Dominance in the sexual marketplace is often extended to account for
success in other aspects of women's lives. For example, in response to a thread titled "[NSFW]
girl on reddit fucks 100+ guys before she turns 18," Hunchback explains, "In 10 years she will
probably be a doctor, lawyer or maybe even an engineer, a woman with a body like that can't
lose." Finally, incels often claim that women exploit their sexual positionality, intentionally
excluding some men from the sexual marketplace: "almost every foid out there gets off to the
suffering of men, especially incels whether they like to admit it or not," says Sgtpinkie.
When describing the place that women ought to hold in the sexual hierarchy, incels
diverge from their previous descriptions. First, many insist that women should not receive
privilege simply because they were granted a higher status. In response to a post about a woman
who had sex with many men, Alone75 asks, "What kind of challenge is that for a vagina monster
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anyway? That's like me being proud I managed to take a shit everyday." Others insist that
women should not have agency over their own sexuality: "Whores should be used but not
respected. She exploits her SMV [sexual market value] in order to leave an easy life," says
Existentialhack. Usually, incels say women's sexuality should be controlled through social
pressure. For example, Lthelthe says that, "Harlots need to be shamed. This sort of behavior
their controlling mechanisms: "The solution (I think) is... institutional monogamy (aka 1 pussy
for 1 dick. Period). And it doesn't need to be enforced through law or force either. Only social
convention and ostracism if those who deviate," says 37YearOldVirgin. Ultimately, Incel views
For women, race is less critical for incels in determining position within the sexual
hierarchy than it is for men. Rather, race is used as a marker for understanding sexuality and
promiscuity. For example, Spicycurry says, "South Asian girls are the biggest traitors in the
world. Anyone can get a south asian girl." Further, Spicycurry also says, "Moroccan woman are
some of the biggest whores on the planet. This is not surprise as Morocco is used as a whore
house by Saudi Arabian men." Essentially, a woman's race and ethnicity functions less as an
indicator of position and more as an indicator of whether or not she "matters" in the first place.
In each of the previous two examples, South Asian women and Moroccan women matter less in
the sexual market because of their perceived promiscuity. Incels spend a significant amount of
time debating which women "matter" and come to little conclusions. Incel Scum, however, does
articulate one common theme among these debates: "The only women who matter at attractive
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girls between the ages of 18-24 ... When the girls get older they look for more stable type of
males."
Finally, incels often discuss the possibility of mobility within this sexual hierarchy. Many
refer to breaking their involuntary celibacy as "ascension." However, for most this is only
something to theorize about. On the contrary, many insist that, as long as they are truly an incel
currently reside in even if we try, if you try it will just get worse." Some argue that there are
physical traits that can be altered in order to move up in position (this process is called
"looksmaxing"). However, many insist that, for truecels, looksmaxing does not actually improve
one's status: "Gymcelling doesn't work. We all know that. You need good genes to succeed at
gymcelling, and if you have such genes you'll never need to gymcel anyway because women will
be naturally attracted you and you'd have been getting validation for as long as you were getting
pubes," says OrangeFez2311. If someone does ascend, then they must not have been a truecel to
begin with; instead, many would label them a "fakecel," or someone who claims the incel
identity but is not actually an incel. In light of this lack of mobility, many incels do not mind
justifying misogyny; if they cannot ever ascend, then the logic is that they might as well hate
those who are at the top and who are hoarding all of the wealth. Lesbianwalrus articulates this
point well: "In life, incels have a choice between being an unfuckable misogynist and being an
unfuckable white knight. Regardless of your choice, your celibacy will remain intact."
While the basic premise of being an incel is described in the name (someone who is
involuntarily celibate), many discussions point out that being an incel is much more than just
not having sex. UBERCEL articulates this point very bluntly: "You don't understand the
meaning of INVOLUNTARILY CELIBATE. It's not about virginity." Recognizing this complexity,
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there are many discussions on incels.is aiming to understand who is allowed to call themselves
By now, it may be apparent that women cannot be incels. Because incels believe that
women are among the most sexually wealthy in society, it follows that women should be able to
have sex whenever they want and, therefore, could not be involuntarily celibate. Not only do the
rules of incels.is ban women, but many restate this rule in discussions, particularly when they
suspect that a woman might be lurking on the site. For example, Bronzehawkattack says,
"Femoids aren't allowed because they can't be incel. I agree with both disallowing roasties and
the fact that they can't be incel." Similarly, the rules of incels.is ban gay men from participating
in discussions, nodding to the stereotype of promiscuity among gay men. "Scooby [another user]
is actually gay, so not a eel," says Dekim. This rule is often employed to patrol the borders of the
website. Just as some incels might suspect that women are lurking on the website, they also may
suspect that gay men are not abiding by the rules and participating in discussion. For example,
in a conversation with some disagreements about incel ideology, Bronzehawkattack says, "I'm
glad this thread is at least outing some of the faggots who don't belong here."
Beyond excluding broad categories of people, the question still remains of which men
allowed to call themselves an incel. Many say that he must not only must be involuntarily
celibate, but he must also accept the incel ideologies, collectively called the "blackpill." (Included
in this ideology is the sexual hierarchy described in the previous section.) Bronzehawkattack
explains the importance of being "blackpilled" to claiming the incel identity: "This guy and many
others here believe they belong here simply because they want to go to war with the damn
femoids and cucks reeeeee, and that's literally their only common goal with those of us who
actually claim to be ineel. Many aren't even blackpilled." However, it is difficult, given the online
and anonymous nature of the space, to determine who is truly blackpilled. As a result, other
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measures are developed to determine whether someone is actually an incel. This short quiz,
posted by Yoyo, is one attempt at identifying who is allowed to consider himself an incel (and
Consider the following and add all the points. The more you get, the more subhuman you
are:
Add all the points up, indicate your subhumanity below with totals.
hold. Among the most important is recognizing physical difference (in Yoyo's quiz, this is
represented by the question "has been called 'ugly' by another person"). Incels are often quick to
point out that there are things about their bodies that are different from other men, and which
have led to their inceldom. For example, Harvey_Weinstein_Here says, "FACE rules all. you
either have it or you don't. Chads are not made they are born," in reference to the fact that an
"ugly'' face makes someone an incel. Robtical insists that weight, acne, facial shape, and hair are
among the most important physical characteristics: "He has a lot of weight and acne to lose. If
he does the nose and chin surgery, he would shoot up at least 2-3 points. His eye area and hair
aren't so bad at least." Others, like MayorOfKekville say that height is the most important
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physical feature: "Tall or incel. Choose one." Still others comment on nearly every other aspect
of men's bodies that can be critiqued based on culturally specific beauty standards.
that inceldom is a learned social behavior. For example, leeringlurker says that, "blaming
everything on one aspect of your body is 80% cope. The biggest problem is probably what's
going on in your head." Men who hold this view insist that it is the experiences with sexuality (or
lack of experiences with sexuality) early in life that make him an incel. Leeringlurker proceeds to
say that, "the horrible thing about being an incel is the positive feedback loop that happens ... if
you don't date in HS like everyone else, you lose social skils everyone else gets... You might get
better looking with age and your acne goes away, but you're still stunted socially/mentally." For
this reason, there are disputes over the age at which one can claim inceldom. CopeWithTheRope
insists that men who are under 18 cannot be incels, since they have not yet graduated high
school or experienced the effects of aging: "18 and undercels think they're ugly now. JFL [Just
Fucking LOL]. WAIT TIL YOU START BALDING AND VISIBLY AGE FROM THE OUTSIDE.
It's fucking over... if you don't use the small window of opportunity NOW." Others,
predominantly younger members, insist that they can call themselves incels, despite being
younger. Some return to arguments about biology, stating that many incels who are trying to
exclude younger men have also said that inceldom is something passed down through genetics.
Others insist that social ostracization can start young, and men who experience it should be
allowed to call themselves incels. For example, superighteous says, "I feel like I, as a teen, should
be allowed to post here considering there's been a rumor going on since 7th grade that I fucked
Mental illness is often used as another justification for being an incel. Discussions about
mental illness often parallel discussions of social isolation and inexperience with sexuality
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because many incels assume that mental illness imply a lack of social skills. For example,
BridgeJumper says, "Try being ugly and having schizophrenia, its JFL when incels who are only
ugly try to make mental illness seem like its nothing... You can live a normal life while being
ugly, you cant do that when you have a mental illness." In many of these discussions, mental
illness is used to position incels with mental illnesses (often referred to as "mentalcels") at a
lower position in society than those who are "just ugly," implying that these men have more
credibility when claiming the incel identity. Simply put, CopingGymcel says, "I'm mentally
fucked AND unattractive to foids. You're much better off if you're mentally healthy."
Beyond physical difference and social inexperience, it is not uncommon for incels to
comment on race and ethnicity when determining the authenticity of someone's claim to
inceldom. While race and ethnicity were discussed previously as a tool used to locate someone in
the sexual marketplace, they are also used to determine the ease with which someone can claim
the incel identity. For example, spicycurry says, "STOP THE COPE NOW. The only ones who
should be complaining about race are us curries who are literally at the bottom of the pile."
"Curries" is often used to refer to South Asian men, who are rated among the least attractive
racial and ethnic categories by incels. In this quote, spicycurry insists that South Asian men
should more easily be able to claim the incel identity, simply based on their racial and ethnic
identity. He explains this further by saying, "South asians are by far the most incel race.
Egyptians are only ugly because some of them look like Indians. If they look more arab than they
do better than the ones that look like Indians with curly hair.• Further, different standards are
applied to men of different races. Penis size, for example, is a more important determinant of
inceldom for black men than it is for other races, as explained by blackletcel: "penis size is pretty
important for blacks, i promise you bbc hoes won't fuck tyrone if hes not atleast avg."
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Despite so much discussion of what makes someone an incel, all of these "incel traits" are
constantly disputed, and therefore often require some proof that one is truly an incel. One way
to prove this is by describing the number of times someone has asked a girl on a date and been
rejected. The number of"approaches" someone has completed, in conjunction with a description
of the qualities that makes someone an incel, is often (but not always) enough to establish
credibility. For example, when questioning someone's incel status, Cynistic says, "I dont think
you really have been rejected 2k times. If that really is the case you must be severely deformed."
Further, it is common for incels to use dating apps (most commonly Tinder) to prove their
inceldom. By posting a picture of himself and receiving no matches, someone can prove that he
is at the bottom of the sexual marketplace. MaxZM98 reflects on using dating apps as a way of
proving his identity: "i have been gymmaxxing... if not a single girl will swipe right on tinder, it
shows how doomed i am." If an incels credibility comes into question, it is often cause for other
members to demand proof that someone really is an incel. If they are not able to produce
sufficient evidence, then they will be shamed on the site. This dynamic occurs in a conversation
establish his credibility, many admit that they find solace and even enjoy their time on the site.
"Since I found this forum a few months ago," says St. Yams," it's the friendliest place on Earth!
Compared to groups that self-police and prevent you from saying what you want, it's nice to
have somewhere unfiltered. Plus the fact that discussion os still so civil and the general culture
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of belief is pretty similar for all of us." What St. Yams disregards is the ways in which many on
the site do police the spaces borders, often according to many of the attributes described
throughout this section. Some suspect that gay men are using this site and attempt to ostracize
them from it. Others insist that mental illness is not an excuse for someone to be an ineel. Jewsel
does both in the same comment: "Well,you are severe gaycel,or an extreme mentalcel. Just go to
therapy and stop being this Ioli creepy guy and you would escape inceldom easily." Others insist
that race alone does not make someone an incel. For example, spicycurry says, "Arab men can
get Indonesian/Pakistani/Back girls without a problem. If you only try for white girls then you
are a fakecel." If all else fails and someone is simply saying something that does not align with
dominant blackpill ideology, he is often men with swift and general chastising. In response to a
comment arguing that non-virgins should be allowed on incels.is, BlkPillPres says, "Statements
like this is what males me think someone is a larp and isn't actually incel, becuase you know full
well you wouldn't like that shit as an ineel." Perhaps St. Yams is correct in recognizing that
incels.is can be a supportive, open, and friendly place--but only if one buys into the dominant
narratives and is able to prove that he does belong. If he does not meet enough of the criteria
that makes someone an incel, if he does not reflect the ideas of the blakcpill in everything that he
types, or if he is not able to establish credibility as an incel, he quickly realizes that he cannot
CONCLUSIONS
Through this analysis, I hope to provide a deeper understanding of the ways in which
men who are unable to perform hegemonic masculinity still work to reproduce gendered
hierarchies. Incels provide an interesting case study because news sources often dramatize their
beliefs and actions, while very little rigorous academic research exists on the group. Labeling
groups like incels as extreme misogynists, white supremacists, and domestic terrorists (as is
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often done in the media) comes less from a place of understanding and more form a place of
condemning. This research takes a different approach. By working to make sense of the
conversations that are being shared on incels.is, this project aims to provide a basis for
understanding the logic of inceldom. In the future, these findings can be utilized to address the
social and cultural forces that have led some men to perceive themselves as being denied the
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APPENDICES
The Place of "Whores should be used but not respected. She exploits her SMV
Women [Sexual Market Value] in order to leave an easy life." existentialhack
Race, Ethnicity, "All curry girls in the west want a white guy but yes it still would be
and the Geopolitics pretty easy for an arab guy to get a paki girl as most pakis see
of Sexuality themselves as inferior to Arabs." Kri.spinwah
Possibilities for "Just go to therapy and stop being this Ioli creepy guy and you would
Mobility escape inceldom easily' Jewsel
Identity Construction
Importance of "Height is mega cope. It's all about face." RREEEEEEEEE
Physical Difference
Importance of "I'm mentally fucked AND unattractive to foids. You're much better off
Marginalized if you're mentally healthy.
Identities
Even if I had no social anxiety and could talk to foids, I would probably
still be incel." CopingGymcel
"Tellem has a 7/10 face but looks black and so gets nothing on Tinder."
Bronzehawkattack
Reinforcement of "Any subs male is a tmecel in the 2010's+, since women all truly go for
Foundational Chads and rarely give a chance to a sub8 male in looks, or even worse, a
Beliefs repulsive manlet like ER [Elliot Rodger] himself." Blackpilb.01
Proof of Difference "People said London was so multi-cultural that any black man could get
laid there. A user did a Tinder experiment with @PrinceOfCope in
London, who is a 8/10 looking blackcel, and he got nothing."
Bronzehawkattack
Border Patrolling "What the fuck am I reading? This is absolute bullshit. I have no female
friends whatsoever. One stupid asshole on here even said he SLEPT AT
A FEMOID'S HOUSE.
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I FUCKING HATE THESE IDIOTS." anincelforlifelol
Reframing Masculinity
Violence: Others "I don't even want pussy anymore, I just want a nuclear holocaust which
kills very Stacy, roastie, femoid, WK [White Knight], cuck, and SJW
[Social Justice Warrior] on Earth." MayorOjKekville
Violence: Self "im genetic trash and i should hire a hitman on myself." whogivesafucc
Victimhood "Femoids have ruined our lives. Modem feminism will destroy society
eventually." thetruecelibate
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Appendix. II. Screen Names of Incels Quoted in Results
'The Literal Bottom of "It's Not About
Society" Virginity"
Arrogantcel UBERCEL
37YearOldVirgin Bronzehawkattack
Lubricare Dekim
Blackpill101 Yoyo
Dispair Harvey_Weinstein_Here
StoicNihillist Robtical
Raper MayorOfKekville
13k leeringlurker
TheGoodGuy CopeWithTheRope
FeminismsCancer superighteous
Yoyo spicycurry
Hunchback blackletcel
Sgtpinkie Cynistic
Alone75 MaxZM98
Existentialhack TheGoodGuy
Lthelthe FACEandLMS
Spicycurry Jewsel
IncelScum BlkPillPres
Cali_Incel
OrangeFez2311
Lesbianwalrus
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