Linear Induction Motors For Low-Speed and Standstill Application
Linear Induction Motors For Low-Speed and Standstill Application
Discussion on
Determination of load losses and torques in squirrel-cage
induction motors
B. J. Chalmers: Reference 1 in the paper dealt compre- choice of this value 15 years ago seems to be vindicated by
hensively with the analysis of the main features of high- the present paper.
frequency load losses in cage motors, while the present paper The transient speed/torque curve is not a 'depressed' one;
completes the examination of certain points of finer detail. we should call it a 'retarded' one. The torque at any one
In particular, the authors have now assessed the influence of instant is the torque one should have had a few milliseconds
saturation of the main flux paths. This does not produce one before; the current cannot change instantaneously; the only
single effect only, but rather a plurality of effects, the overall depressed portion is the maximum.
result being a slight reduction as far as load losses are con- B. M. Bird: The paper represents a further significant
cerned. It is interesting to compare the authors' conclusion contribution to the calculation and measurement of load
with the results of experiments conducted at UMIST using losses, and it is a valuable addition to the earlier paper on
an instrumented inverted induction motor. These have the subject by Dr. Christofides.1
enabled the detailed variations of rotor-tooth fluxes, bar The back-to-back test for induction motors described in
currents and air-gap surface fluxes to be investigated under Section 4 is an admirable extension to the mechanical
various conditions of voltage and load current. The overall differential concept and one which readily lends itself to
conclusion of this work is the same as that of the authors. laboratory investigations. The close correspondence between
The authors have clearly devoted appreciable effort to these two tests means that many of the questions raised in
measuring the interbar resistance of their alternative rotors, relation to the mechanical differential test are relevant to the
but such a procedure is not applicable in routine design back-to-back test described in the paper. In particular, it is
analysis. For the latter purpose, knowledge is required of the necessary to assume that the load losses vary according to the
probable value of the interbar resistance for a given range of same laws, regardless of whether a machine is motoring or
machines. Work on this aspect has recently been completed, generating, in order to obtain the stray load loss for an
and it is hoped to present the results for publication. individual machine; but the flux conditions in a generator
We have found the high-frequency losses occurring in the differ from those that exist in a motor, and some evidence
stator to be appreciable in the case of motors with unskewed existsA which indicates that this assumption might well be
rotors, whereas the authors appear to have ignored these questionable.
components. The hot stator resistances of the motor and generator are
W. Hill: Some time ago, I stated that the back-to-back presumably taken at each test point, since a precise knowledge
tests required identical machines. I now withdraw that of these values is essential to the accuracy of the loss measure-
unreservedly. The attempts to deal with saturation in a ments. If the machines are brought to rest to perform these
properly scientific manner have borne fruit, and we are now measurements, it becomes difficult to maintain control over
seeing the results of a systematic study of this phenomenon. the temperature of the machine during the back-to-back test.
Saturation should yield to such treatment. Did the authors attempt any form of temperature measure-
The authors have probably established not so much the ment and control during the back-to-back test? Were any
saturation in the tooth, but that in the layer adjacent to the steps taken to relate the actual rotor temperature to that
air gap, which will actually reduce the zigzag leakage of the assumed for the purposes of computing the losses?
machine. Extrapolation to larger machines will also show In Section 3, the authors describe in detail the accelerometer
that another factor comes in, namely current displacement in arrangement used to measure the torque/speed curve. It is
the actual rotor, whereby the speed/torque curve and the clear, however, that this quasidynamic technique will only
harmonic-speed/torque cusps will behave differently under yield the static torque/speed curve if the time for plugging the
saturated conditions. As the purpose of the investigation is to machine is somehow increased far above the time constant
predict the load loss under full-load conditions, it seems that of the rotor. By what means was this time increased and what
more accurate results will be obtained by basing the harmonic- was the approximate time for plugging? The technique used
torque calculations on the unsaturated value, and not on the to obtain the static torque/speed curve is extremely complex:
saturation one can expect under full voltage during starting. did the authors investigate alternative forms of dynamic
In order to determine the torque curves during the running-up torque/speed measurement such as the drag-cup accelero-
conditions one cannot use this arrangement where the period meter principle ?B
of starting is extended for up to 5 or 6s, because all the K. K. Schwarz: 1 believe the paper should be considered
transient effects of the rotor current, which cannot be changed in the wider context of the general subject of stray losses, and
instantaneously, will be lost. a recapitulation of the position may be opportune:
My own attempts at calculations of saturated leakage-flux
conditions were based on a leakage flux density Bo not of (a) Design parameters affecting all types of stray losses have,
1 -lWb/m2 as in this paper (Fig. 14) but of 1 -23Wb/m2. The as pointed out in Reference 3, been known for a very long
time, although many aspects are, and remain, partly
empirical, and investigations are necessary for checking
Paper 5130 P by CHRISTOFIDES, N., and ADKINS, B. [see 113, (12), individual loss calculations and improving the sophistica-
pp. 1995-2005] tion of a number of aspects.
Read before the Power Division Professional Group PI, 1st February
1967 (b) Methods of checking the total losses, including stray
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