Apollo 15 Flight Journal - Transposition, Docking and Extraction
Apollo 15 Flight Journal - Transposition, Docking and Extraction
Apollo 15
Transposition, Docking and Extraction
Corrected Transcript and Commentary Copyright © 1998-2023 by W. David Woods and Frank O'Brien. All rights reserved.
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Public Affairs Officer - This is Apollo Control. Tracking now showing the spacecraft at 1,383 nautical miles
[2,561.3 km] out, directly over the Corpus Christi, Texas tracking station, but beginning the tail stand and loop
backward to the west as the Earth rotates beneath the trajectory of the spacecraft.
Apollo 15 Earth orbital groundtrack
[These two maps of Apollo 15's ground track are taken from the AS-510 Saturn V Flight Manual. The upper map
displays the looping of the ground track after TLI.]
[Apollo 15 is no longer circling Earth in a low, fast orbit, but instead is moving away from it at an even higher
velocity. However, its ground track slows relative to the speed of Earth's rotation and eventually goes backwards
while its attitude becomes tail Earthwards.]
Public Affairs Officer - Velocity dropped off somewhat from the initial cut-off velocity of 35,000 and some odd
feet per second [10,600 m/s]; now down to 30,436 feet per second [9,276.9 m/s]. Estimated time of closest
approach to the Moon; now 78 hours, 34 minutes Ground Elapsed Time. Continuing to stand by and monitor the
preparations for the maneuver to separation attitude - the actual separation of the Command Service Module from
the Spacecraft/LM Adapter and docking with Lunar Module and finally the ejection of the Apollo 15 spacecraft
from the S-IVB stage, which will have done its job quite well apparently, in what is shaping up, thus far, to be a
completely nominal mission. This is Apollo Control at 3 hours, 8 minutes, 37 seconds Ground Elapsed Time.
Standing by live on air/ground.
[Section 3 of the CSM Launch Checklist carries seven pages of procedures to take the crew through the
separation of the CSM from the launch vehicle, and the TD&E [Transposition, Docking and Extraction]
maneuvers they are about to perform. At this point, Al Worden takes over the spacecraft's flying controls on the
left by swapping couches with Dave.]
[The first item on the TD&E checklist is to bleed enough oxygen into the Command Module to ensure the cabin
pressure is at 39.3 kPa (5.7 psi). This is in preparation for pressurising the LM in half an hour's time, when this
cabin air, essentially O2, will be bled from one spacecraft through to the other via the tunnel.]
[The APS (Auxiliary Propulsion System) modules, attached to the base of the S-IVB, maneuver the stack to the
correct attitude for the coming exercise and Al enters a figure of 100 (fps) on the Delta-V display on the EMS
(Entry Monitor System). The EMS will use its own accelerometer to update this display so the CMP can monitor
his velocity changes throughout the maneuver. Note that he does not want to use the EMS around the zero point
and is artificially biasing the reading to '100'. Therefore, subsequent changes in velocity will be displayed relative
to this figure.]
[Woods, from 1998 correspondence with Scott: "Was there a problem with operating the Delta-V part of the
EMS around the zero point? Was it unable to display negative numbers or was there an instrumentation reason
for the 100 fps bias?"]
[Scott, from 1998 correspondence: "I think the EMS had some slop around 0, but was very tight at 100, and easy
to interpret."]
Public Affairs Officer - Cabin pressure onboard Apollo 15 now 5.5 pounds per square inch. Heart rates currently
for Scott, Worden and Irwin respectively at 65, 69 and 69.
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Public Affairs Officer - Flight Director Gerry Griffin [is] polling the Flight Controllers in the room for a Go for
Transposition. Docking and Extraction. [We've] heard no No-Gos so far. He's telling CapCom to tell them it's Go.
003:16:37 Fullerton: Apollo 15, Houston.
003:16:39 Scott: Houston, 15.
003:16:41 Fullerton: Everything looks good here. You're Go for Transposition and Docking.
003:16:46 Scott: Roger. Go for Transposition and Docking.
[Long comm break.]
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Public Affairs Officer - This is Apollo Control. Apollo 15 now 3,654 nautical miles [6,767 km] out from Earth.
Velocity now 25,178 feet per second [7,674 m/s]. Total weight, including the spent S-IVB stage, 144,157 pounds
[65,538.5 kg]. Continuing to monitor the air/ground [communication] as the crew of Apollo 15 prepares to turn
around and move the Lunar Module out of its garage. 3 hours, 21 minutes have been live on the air/ground. This
is Apollo Control.
003:21:14 Worden (onboard): Coming up.
003:21:20 Scott (onboard): Okay.
003:21:21 Worden (onboard): I have a GDC Align.
003:21:33 Scott (onboard): Okay. That's a pretty good ...
003:21:35 Irwin (onboard): ...
003:21:39 Scott (onboard): Okay.
003:21:41 Worden (onboard): GDC Align's complete?
003:21:42 Scott (onboard): Yes.
003:21:43 Worden (onboard): Okay, EMS Function, Delta-V. That's a verify.
003:21:45 Scott (onboard): Verified.
003:21:46 Worden (onboard): EMS Mode, Normal.
003:21:47 Scott (onboard): Normal.
003:21:48 Worden (onboard): Okay, got the DET set at 59:30.
003:21:49 Scott (onboard): Right.
003:21:50 Worden (onboard): Start that whenever you want.
003:21:51 Scott (onboard): Okay. ...
003:21:53 Worden (onboard): Okay.
003:21:54 Scott: Okay, Houston, 15; 30 seconds [to go before separation].
003:21:57 Fullerton: Roger.
[Dave Scott's 30 second call coincides with the starting of the event timer which had previously been set to read
59:30. It counts up through (1:)00:00, the time for separation, and helps the crew sequence their activities
around the event.]
[Two seconds before the spacecraft separates from the S-IVB, Al Worden fires the plus-X thrusters to ensure the
CSM will move away once it is free. Separation is executed at zero on the event timer by pressing on a push
button on the Main Display Console and occurs at 003:22:24 GET. The CSM/LV Separation pushbutton is one of
a group of eight guarded pushbuttons, most of which are only used as a manual back-up for otherwise automatic
events. It is the only one on that sub-panel which is used in a normal mission.]
003:22:05 Worden (onboard): Okay. At 50, we'll go to BMAGs, Att 1/Rate 2; CMC, Auto; and come off in CMC. There is
Att 1/Rate 2; CMC, Auto, at 58, we'll get plus-X.
003:22:31 Worden (onboard): One, 2, 3. Okay.
003:22:32 Scott (onboard): Okay.
003:22:33 Worden (onboard): Okay.
003:22:34 Scott (onboard): Now get your valves, D. They look good.
003:22:35 Worden (onboard): Okay. Engine valves going to SCS.
003:22:36 Scott (onboard): ... eight, gray.
003:22:39 Worden (onboard): Okay. I'm going to pitch over.
003:22:43 Scott (onboard): Okay.
003:22:44 Worden (onboard): Here we go.
003:22:49 Scott: Okay, Houston; we got a good Sep.
003:22:51 Fullerton: Roger.
[Separation of the CSM from the SLA is a fast but complex event. A train of explosive cords sever electrical
connections between the Service Module and the S-IVB; they cut the metal structure joining the SM to the SLA to
allow the spacecraft to come free; they cut the upper 75 per cent of the conical SLA into four long sections which
are now only joined to the S-IVB by spring loaded partial hinges at the centre of their lower edge; they set off
pyrotechnic thrusters, mounted within the intact portion of the SLA, which force pistons to push on the outside
edge of each SLA panel, causing them to begin rotating away from the enclosed Lunar Module. Once the panels
have rotated about 45° from the centreline of the launch vehicle, the hinges disengage, allowing the springs
within the hinge assembly to push the panels away at about 2.5 m/s, leaving the LM exposed on top of the
Saturn's third stage.]
[An image from the Apollo collection regularly reproduced in books is of the S-IVB for Apollo 7, seen from the
CSM, which clearly shows the panels still attached. The commander of this mission, Wally Schirra, was unhappy
that one of the panels had not fully deployed and that they seemed prone to flexing. He cancelled a planned
docking test for fear of a panel hitting the spacecraft and NASA subsequently arranged for SLA panels to be
jettisoned completely away from the vicinity.]
003:22:59 Scott: And Prime Propellant B, Secondary, and Delta Prime and Secondary with barber pole, and they're both
gray, now - reset.
003:23:08 Fullerton: Roger.
[Comm break.]
[Dave is informing Mission Control that propellant isolation valves for the B and D thruster quads, part of the
Service Module's RCS system, have closed from the shock of the separation. This has already occurred in the
mission. See the commentary at 000:55:52 for a discussion of the problem. Note that he refers to "both" though
according to the Mission Report, three valves have closed. He has reset (opened) them.]
[Once the CSM separates from the launch vehicle, Al continues firing the plus-X thrusters using the THC
(Translation Hand Controller) to move the spacecraft away. The change in velocity is monitored by the Delta-V
display on the EMS panel on the upper left of the Main Display Console, and it should reach about 0.5 fps (0.15
m/s).]
[Fifteen seconds after separation, while the spacecraft is still drifting away from the S-IVB, Al begins pitching up
at 2° per second, four times faster than detailed in the checklist. Pitching up will bring the S-IVB and the LM into
view of the windows earlier than if they pitched down.]
[Worden, from the 1971 Technical debrief: "The transposition and docking was just as nominal as it could be.
We came off the S-IVB and did the SCS [Stabilization Control System] turnaround and then trimmed the final
maneuver with the G&N [Guidance & Navigation]. I guess I started translating in [towards the S-IVB] a little bit
more slowly than would have been - may have been more comfortable if I had translated a little bit faster. And
everything was nominal inside the spacecraft at the time. The only thing I noticed about T&D was that the
different reaction you get from the spacecraft as opposed to the simulator. The reaction you get from the
spacecraft is very positive. You put a little bit of thrust in translation, and you get it right away. You can see the
rates right away, which is something you don't always see in the simulator. Outside of that, I thought the T&D
was pretty nominal."]
[It is not clear why both the checklist and the cue cards specify 0.5°/sec, as it would take 6 minutes to turn
around. At 0.15 m/s, they would be 54 metres from the S-IVB by then; needlessly far away. Al has chosen a rate
which he feels comfortable with as a pilot, based on his extensive practice on the simulators. Thus, the checklist's
role in coordinating the flight is overridden by the skill of the pilot.]
[Scott, from 1998 correspondence: "A 'checklist' has several functions. It is a procedural sequence of activities
and events used to operate systems, subsystems, components, etc. It is also a guide to the steps necessary to
accomplish certain flight objectives, but not necessarily in sequence. It is also a general guideline of the
magnitude or scope of operations to be performed in a piloting sense, but not necessarily a rigid requirement to
perform to a specific magnitude."]
003:23:12 Scott (onboard): [Garble] panel?
003:23:15 Worden (onboard): Yes. There goes the panels, right out to the side. Right outside.
003:23:18 Scott (onboard): Yes, I see them now.
003:23:19 Irwin (onboard): Yes.
003:23:20 Scott (onboard): See it?
003:23:21 Irwin (onboard): Yes.
003:23:22 Scott (onboard): It's spinning out there. You see the...
003:23:25 Worden (onboard): What a view! You see the S-IVB?
003:23:27 Irwin (onboard): Not yet.
003:23:28 Worden (onboard): [Garble]. We're at 270, now. Oh, ooops. Where is it? [Garble].
003:23:33 Irwin (onboard): Right over Florida.
003:23:34 Worden (onboard): Okay. Good shape, man...
003:23:36 Scott (onboard): Are we?
003:23:37 Worden (onboard): You look good, good, good, good. Good job. Right in there, babe. Yes, that's good. Oh, look
at that.
003:23:46 Scott (onboard): Take pictures with the cameras.
003:23:50 Irwin (onboard): Yes.
003:23:53 Worden (onboard): [Garble] on the TV.
003:23:55 Scott (onboard): No, forget the TV. The TV looks okay. Get the camera over here and take some pictures.
003:24:19 Fullerton: 15, Houston. Would you give us Omni Bravo?
003:24:23 Scott: Omni Bravo.
[Though Dave is talking to Mission Control, Jim is working with the communication system. He has switched
their comm to omni-directional antenna B, one of the four S-band antennae mounted around the periphery of the
CM. Omni B is now in a more favourable position relative to Earth and Mission Control will be able to switch
between it and antenna D as required. A colour TV camera is mounted in window 4, the right-hand rendezvous
window, on Jim Irwin's side of the spacecraft. The 64-metre radio dish at Goldstone, California prepares to
receive their TV via the HGA (High Gain Antenna). so Mission Control can watch the progress of the docking
maneuver.]
[The HGA was stowed during launch, folded behind the Service Module alongside the SPS engine bell. After
separation from the S-IVB, it is deployed to the side of the SM. It consists of four 79-cm parabolic dishes
clustered around a 28-cm square feedhorn. The dish assembly is mounted on an articulated joint at the end of the
support arm and can be pointed at Earth under manual or automatic control. The antenna works in the 2
gigahertz range (within what was known at the time as the S-band) and has three modes of operation: wide, for
near-Earth operation; medium, for distances up to halfway to the Moon; narrow, for up to lunar distances.]
[The choice of beamwidth is a compromise between signal to noise ratio, antenna pointing accuracy and
distance. Additionally, there are occasions when the narrow mode of the HGA locks onto a side-lobe of its
radiation pattern, usually when reflections from the spacecraft's skin interfere with reception. When this occurs, a
fix is to switch to wide beam, let the antenna repoint, then return to narrow.]
[A switch on the right-hand side of the Main Display Console selects which signal will use the auxiliary channel
of the S-band radio system. If not set to 'Off,' it can carry science data from the SIM bay, or TV from the CM's
colour camera.]
003:24:27 Worden (onboard): Okay, I'm going to give it a little plus-X.
003:24:29 Scott (onboard): Okay.
003:24:30 Worden (onboard): Going to CMC first.
003:24:33 Irwin (onboard): Got a T - good TV picture, Dave?
003:24:35 Scott (onboard): Yes. ... just a little off to the side, Al?
003:24:38 Worden (onboard): Hum? ... Okay.
003:24:44 Scott (onboard): Don't want to get too far away, now.
003:24:46 Worden (onboard): 1, 2, 3, 4.
003:24:51 Irwin (onboard): ... TV picture is ...
003:24:53 Scott (onboard): To the right.
003:24:55 Worden (onboard): Back on CMC.
003:24:57 Scott (onboard): Okay. ...?
003:24:59 Worden (onboard): Yes.
003:25:08 Scott: Okay, Houston. Looks like you've got a good LM in there [in the SLA], and we're rolling now, and the
opening rates are stopped, and you should have a TV [picture].
[The CSM has moved away from the S-IVB, turned around and is facing its quarry - the LM. While Jim is sorting
out the TV and deploying the High Gain antenna, Al fires the plus-X thrusters for about 4 seconds. This not only
stops their motion away from the S-IVB, it starts bringing them towards the LM at about 0.03 metres per second
(0.1 fps). As the two vehicles slowly come together, he maneuvers the CSM in roll to align their frames of
reference.]
[Worden, from the 1971 Technical debrief: "When we first separated, the EMS counted up as I expected. When
we turned around, the thing [EMS] backed down again. We started out at 100 [fps, a figure Al had preset onto the
display before separation; not the speed afterwards], and it went up to about 125 or 126 [probably means 100.25
or 100.26 fps]. When we turned around, it was down to 99.2, 99.3 or something like that. So, the EMS was
affected by the turnaround. As a matter of fact, during the whole TD procedure, I had the EMS set up and had the
accelerometers turned on. I was in Delta-V [mode] and normal, but I really didn't rely at all on the EMS for any
indication of Delta-V. I used strictly time on plus-X thrusters and only looked at the EMS as a back-up. In fact, I
don't even recall looking at it more than maybe once or twice during the T & D."]
[Scott, from 1998 correspondence: "The TD&E is pretty much a manual out-the-window operation, and the
actual thrusting time, maneuvers, etc. are left to the pilot [Worden]. The checklist here is more of a guideline
rather than a rigid set of procedures as in other situations. Much like the lunar landing, the pilot in the left seat
flies mostly visually using the outside scene for reference."]
[Scott, from the 1971 Technical debrief: "The procedures, coming off the S-IVB and turning around, put us in a
very good relative position when we got around. It was just nicely positioned as to distance from the S-IVB. We
weren't too far away and we weren't too close; just very comfortable."]
[Woods, from 2004 mission review: "Transposition. Can you go through with me the different RCS modes -
there's Rate Command, Accel Command and exactly what's happening there. When you come off the S-IVB and
you do a turnaround, is that done by saying, 'I want to go to a particular attitude,' and then the spacecraft turns
that, or do you just pull back and line yourself up?"]
[Scott, from 2004 mission review: "Either way. The needles will tell you where you are so you can pitch up
manually - And the difference between Rate Command and Accel, Accel is just direct jets. bang, bang, you turn
the jets on and the spacecraft will start moving. Rate Command, when you break the hand controller out, it's
proportional - the rate of movement is proportional to the deflection of the hand controller. In Direct, it's not.
You're just firing the jets on or off. Minimum Impulse limits the amount of firing on or off. So we use mostly
Minimum Impulse to save propellant. Very seldom Rate Command - I don't remember flying Rate Command."]
[O'Brien, from 2004 mission review: "Really?"]
[Scott, from 2004 mission review: "It uses too much propellant. You don't need it. I don't think any of us thought
it would be needed but I don't remember ever, ever using it. Accel is just direct on. I turn the jets on, pssst, and I
turn them off. So I can turn them on and off briefly. But Minimum Impulse is more efficient because I don't
overshoot. So I can pulse it and get what I want in terms of movement without overshooting. If I turn the jets on
in Accel, then I may overshoot by having turned them on too long."]
[Al guides the CSM towards the LM/S-IVB to drive the probe at the apex of the CM into the concave drogue at
the top of the LM. The conical shape of the drogue shepherds the tip of the probe towards a central hole which is
just large enough to accept the three spring-loaded latches spaced around the probe's tip. When these engage, a
'soft' dock condition has been achieved. In this state, the two vehicles are free to rotate about the gimbal mounted
tip.]
003:25:18 Fullerton: Roger. We haven't got the [TV] picture up here yet. Stand by, and I'll give you a check on that.
003:25:22 Scott: Okay. [Long pause.]
003:25:26 Scott (onboard): Okay.
003:25:38 Irwin (onboard): I can shift that camera if you want, Dave.
003:25:39 Scott (onboard): No. It would just be ... the orientation the LM has for the attitude.
003:25:47 Worden (onboard): Yes, that is a big bang when you come off of there, isn't it?
003:25:50 Scott (onboard): Yes.
003:25:58 Irwin (onboard): Guess we're - what, 50 feet?
003:26:04 Worden (onboard): Take it at f/8.
003:26:06 Scott (onboard): All I've got to look at it is the TV picture.
003:26:21 Fullerton: 15, Houston.
003:26:23 Scott: Go, Houston.
003:26:25 Fullerton: Goldstone's receiving the carrier, but we're not getting any signal on the carrier for the TV. Over.
[The radio system is working OK because Goldstone are able to receive the unmodulated radio signal from the
HGA which will carry the video information. By telling the crew in this fashion, CapCom Gordon Fullerton
quickly and quietly informs them that the TV signal is not switched through the radio equipment in the spacecraft.
Either the auxiliary channel of the S-Band transmitter needs to be switched to 'TV' or, more likely, the TV switch
is not in 'Transmit'.]
003:26:30 Scott: Okay; we've got a good picture on the monitor up here.
Scott (onboard): You got the TV switch in the right spot, Jim?
003:26:40 Irwin (onboard): Well, it's not in Transmit.
003:26:43 Scott (onboard): What?
003:26:44 Irwin (onboard): This switch here should probably go to Transmit.
003:26:46 Scott (onboard): Well, put it...
003:26:48 Irwin (onboard): Let's try ...
003:26:51 Worden (onboard): Check those ...
003:26:53 Irwin (onboard): Do what? How about S-Band Aux TV to TV?
003:26:57 Scott (onboard): Yes, sir. ...
003:27:08 Scott (onboard): Hey, we need High Gain, don't we?
003:27:10 Irwin (onboard): You have. I've got ... use High Gain ...
003:27:11 Worden (onboard): High Gain.
003:27:12 Irwin (onboard): ...
003:27:15 Scott (onboard): Okay.
Public Affairs Officer - Starting to get a black and white picture here, in Mission Control. [It will] take a little
while to get it through the converter.
[To save size, weight and power consumption, the TV camera on board the CM has only one imaging tube, rather
than the three or four found in contemporary colour cameras. The red, green and blue imaging is achieved by
spinning a filter wheel at 600 revs per minute in front of the tube face. The wheel has two sets of three filters for
the three primary colours, red, green and blue. At 10 revs per second, it filters the image in one colour for the
duration of a TV field, 1/60th of a second. Thus, the resulting black and white video signal emerging from the
camera actually consists of fields which sequentially represent red, green and blue. In black and white, the image
looks rather flickery, especially in areas of strong colour. Back on Earth, a converter reconstructs a standard
NTSC colour signal by combining the images from three consecutive fields. This scheme works well enough for
still or slow moving images. However, moving highlights in the scene break up into separate coloured images.]
003:27:14 Fullerton: 15, Houston; we're getting a picture now, and the LM is coming in, in the lower right-hand corner of
our field of view.
003:27:20 Scott: Okay. [Long pause.]
Scott (onboard): Slew antenna to verify oper - Do you want to do all that, Jim? That's your - Yes, go ahead; take your
pictures.
003:27:33 Irwin (onboard): Well...
003:27:34 Scott (onboard): Of course, ... your pictures. Take your pictures.
003:27:45 Worden (onboard): It was a lot slower than I thought it would be.
003:27:46 Scott (onboard): Strange.
003:27:47 Worden (onboard): Yes.
003:28:02 Worden (onboard): ...
003:28:05 Irwin (onboard): As long as they're getting the picture on the Omni, I guess there's no hurry to - that we get the
High Gain up.
[The TV picture is quite clear with the top of the LM and S-IVB filling about a quarter of the screen. The conical
drogue is easily seen on top of the LM. Debris is visible slowly tumbling across the screen. The image has a
distinctly warm tone to it.]
003:28:10 Scott: Okay, Houston. It looks like we've got a good High Gain Antenna. Do you want us to give you the High
Gain or stay on the Omni [antenna]?
003:28:17 Fullerton: Stand by. [Pause.]
003:28:26 Fullerton: We'll take the High Gain, Dave.
003:28:29 Irwin (onboard): There's sure a lot of crap flying out...
003:28:30 Scott: Rog. Going High Gain. [Long pause.]
[A disturbance in the picture indicates the change from Omni to HGA. At some point in the system, probably in
the TV electronics at Houston, the disturbance causes an error in the TV colour system, giving the picture a
greenish cast. However, there is little improvement in overall image quality - perhaps slightly cleaner - and none
would be expected so close to Earth.]
003:28:56 Scott: Okay, Houston. We're in Auto and Medium. Looks like we got a good lock.
[The CSM Launch Checklist, page 3-3 calls for the newly deployed HGA to be slewed around to check its
operation. Jim is happy with it and Dave has offered it to be used for the TV transmission. Being a directional
antenna, the HGA will allow a higher signal strength to be received at Goldstone and thus, at lunar distances.
improve the signal to noise ratio compared to the omni-directional antenna. Jim has set it to automatic tracking
and to medium beamwidth though Mission Control will soon request a change to wide beamwidth.]
003:28:59 Fullerton: Roger; and we're getting a very good picture here. It's - it[the LM]'s over on the right-hand side of the
field of view.
003:29:07 Worden (onboard): Get the DAC going.
003:29:19 Irwin (onboard): Shall I put the TV ... long, Dave.
003:29:22 Scott (onboard): Huh! I think it looks good, Jim.
003:29:26 Irwin (onboard): I can adjust it and get it in center.
003:29:29 Scott (onboard): No, it's - ... How're you doing?
003:29:39 Irwin (onboard): How many pictures...
003:29:34 Fullerton: 15, Houston. [We] request wide beamwidth please.
003:29:39 Scott: Wide Beam.
[Comm break.]
[No disturbance is noticable from this switch. Meanwhile, the camera's aim is improved, bring the drogue
completely into view.]
[Nearly two minutes after the change to the HGA, the proper colours of the picture are restored.]
003:29:43 Worden (onboard): I find I'm working the stick a lot more than I thought I would.
003:29:47 Irwin (onboard): Yes.
003:29:48 Scott (onboard): Just play it cool. We've got plenty of time.
003:29:51 Worden (onboard): Yes.
003:29:52 Irwin (onboard): Play it cool.
003:29:54 Scott (onboard): Six on your camera would be right where you'd want it.
003:29:56 Irwin (onboard): Okay.
003:30:29 Irwin (onboard): ...
003:30:35 Scott (onboard): Okay. I would say we were - what, Jim? 20 feet? 15? 10?
003:30:40 Irwin (onboard): I have 15 feet on the camera.
003:30:46 Irwin (onboard): Did we forget anything on that checklist, Dave?
003:30:49 Scott (onboard): ...
003:30:54 Worden (onboard): Okay. We're sliding in there, David.
003:30:56 Scott (onboard): Okay. I think we're about a couple feet away.
003:31:03 Worden (onboard): Yes.
003:31:05 Scott (onboard): What do you want to do?
003:31:07 Irwin (onboard): Put it at 12 frames per second.
003:31:08 Scott (onboard): Okay, I'd go now if...
003:31:05 Fullerton: 15, Houston. The centering on the picture is good now, and we're getting an excellent quality picture.
003:31:11 Scott: Very good. We're almost there.
Scott (onboard): I'll be watching above the ... over here.
[Comm break.]
[While Dave and Jim have been dealing with the TV, the CSM has been slowly coasting towards the S-IVB to
dock with the LM. Al is maneuvering the spacecraft from the left seat, looking out of the left rendezvous (or
number 2) window. This window, along with window 4 on the right, is built into a recess to allow it to look
forward, along the plus-X (longitudinal) axis of the spacecraft, rather than out to the side. A target mounted on
the outside of the LM aids the coordination of the docking in conjunction with the COAS (Crew Optical
Alignment Sight), an instrument that the crew can place in the rendezvous window and which provides an
illuminated reticle. Al looks through the COAS and maneuvers the spacecraft to superimpose the reticle on the
LM target. This aligns the CSM with the LM - probe to drogue.]
[A sequence of ten colour photographs, AS15-91-12329 to 12338, are taken by Jim using the Hasselblad fitted
with magazine M, showing the approaching LM as the CSM moves closer to dock with it.]
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Public Affairs Officer - This is Apollo Control. Apollo 15 now 7,460 nautical miles [13,816 km] out from Earth.
Velocity [is] continuing to decrease, now 20,197 feet per second [6,156 m/s]; fairly quiet crew this mission. On
the off chance they will talk some more, we'll leave the circuit up. At 3 hours, 43 minutes Ground Elapsed Time;
this is Apollo Control.
[From the Public Affairs Officer's comments, the Apollo 15 crew would appear to be less talkative - at least with
the ground - than previous crews.]
[Woods, from 1998 correspondence with Scott: "Were you chatty among yourselves? Was there a conscious
intention to cut out chatter with the ground and restrict it to important information? I don't believe any tendency
for quietness was transferred to the lunar surface and you kept up a good level of information flow then (as
would have been part of your brief)."]
[Scott, from 1998 correspondence: "Never paid any attention to whether or not we were 'chatty.' No intent other
than to do the job and keep the ground informed as completely as possible. Normal radio discipline (with at least
fighter pilots) is to keep the chatter to a minimum; don't clog up the airways with unnecessary comments because
others may have something important to say. Do not know what the PAO had in mind, nor on what basis he made
his comment."]
[Journal Contributor Brian Lawrence points out that the PAO announcer who is probably on duty at this moment,
Terry White, has been involved in every Apollo mission since Apollo 9 so is likely to have enough past experience
to make a judgement.]
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Public Affairs Officer - Crew of Apollo 15 presently pressurizing the Lunar Module.
[In going from the CM to the LM, cabin O2 has to pass through two valves, one in each hatch. This ]
[Prior to launch, a pressure equalzation valve in the LM's overhead hatch was deliberately left open. Therefore,
as the stack ascended to space, the LM cabin became evacuated. Now that the CM has docked with the LM, CM
O2 is being allowed through another pressure equalization valve in the CM's tunnel hatch, into the tunnel, and
finally through the LM's valve into the LM cabin. Having to pass through two valves slows the rate at which the
LM cabin can repressurise.]
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Public Affairs Officer - This is Apollo Control. Spacecraft systems engineers here in Mission Control Center are
trouble-shooting unusual valve position indication on telemetry and in the spacecraft cockpit for the valves in the
propellant system for the Service Module propulsion engine, and are sorting out which malfunction procedure the
crew should go through. There was no danger of the engine igniting by itself because of this, but it is desired that
the problem be ironed out. Continuing to monitor the Apollo 15 air/ground circuit, up and live. Now showing
cabin pressure on the Command Module at 4.2 pounds per square inch [29 kPa]. We have no pressure reading yet
in the Lunar Module but the crew apparently has begun pressurization of the LM. Distance now 8,774 nautical
miles [16,249 km] out from Earth. Velocity continuing to decrease: 19,065 feet per second [5,811 m/s]. 3 hours,
51 minutes Ground Elapsed Time, still live; this is Apollo Control.
[Once the latches have been checked, the CM/LM umbilicals connected within the tunnel, and the tunnel hatch
reinstalled, the crew make the final preparations to separate from the launch vehicle using procedures on page 3-
5 of the CSM Launch Checklist. As a final step, the CM and LM are sealed from each other by closing the
Pressure Equalization Valve in the tunnel hatch. A separate valve between the CM and the tunnel, the Tunnel Vent
valve, is set in a position which will allow the pressure difference across the hatch to be monitored by the LM/CM
Delta-P gauge.]
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004:11:30 Fullerton: Apollo 15, Houston. The [non-propulsive] vent should be complete now.
004:11:35 Scott: Okay; understand.
[Comm break.]
004:11:55 Irwin (onboard): Okay; I'll cycle the cryo fans.
004:11:59 Scott (onboard): Is that On and Off?
004:12:01 Irwin (onboard): Yes, On for a minute.
004:12:03 Scott (onboard): That's right, we got a change for that.
004:12:04 Worden (onboard): You don't need the checklist. You got that silly bunch of junk. Garbage, rather.
004:12:15 Scott (onboard): Okay; load RCS DAP. Al, you want to load your DAP?
004:12:20 Irwin (onboard): Oh, let's see. We need to load...
004:12:21 Worden (onboard): Yes.
004:12:22 Scott (onboard): [Garble] 21101.
004:12:31 Scott (onboard): And X1111.
004:12:33 Worden (onboard): Yes.
004:12:35 Scott (onboard): Load Noun 22 attitude. Monitor APS maneuver, [garble].
004:12:40 Irwin (onboard): Okay; what's the attitude?
004:12:42 Scott (onboard): 090?
004:12:46 Worden (onboard): Yes.
004:12:47 Scott (onboard): 257. Okay. [Garble].
004:12:51 Worden (onboard): I don't think you can...
004:12:52 Scott (onboard): Okay; 354.6. Okay; Verb 60 Enter.
004:13:01 Worden (onboard): Verb 60?
004:13:02 Scott (onboard): Sixty.
004:13:04 Worden (onboard): Okay.
004:13:05 Scott (onboard): Verb 63 Enter.
004:13:07 Worden (onboard): Okay.
004:13:08 Scott (onboard): GDC Align.
004:14:08 Worden (onboard): GDC's aligned.
004:14:09 Irwin (onboard): Okay; DET, Reset.
004:14:14 Worden (onboard): Whoops! Reset.
004:14:16 Irwin (onboard): CB, Sequence Arm, two, closed.
004:14:18 Worden (onboard): Arm is closed.
004:14:19 Irwin (onboard): Okay. Cue MSFN, because we'll be getting the Logics on the Arm pretty soon.
004:14:24 Worden (onboard): Okay.
Public Affairs Officer - This is Apollo Control; [we're] some 4 minutes away from ejection of the Command
Service Module docked to the Lunar Module, from the spent S-IVB stage, which has now completed its non-
propulsive vent. Spacecraft now 12,036 nautical miles [22,291 km] out from Earth; velocity dropped off to
16,839 feet per second [5,133 m/s]. The only anomaly encounted - encountered thus far after Translunar
Injection, is a couple of Service Module Propulsion System valves were noted, both on board and on telemetry, as
being in the Open position when they should be in Closed position. The crew was instructed to open some circuit
breakers upstream of these valves to give a double redundancy against accidental start of the engine, which would
be a pretty remote possibility in the first place, because some other steps have to be taken prior to a start in any
case. After the transposition - or after the ejection from the S-IVB, CapCom will pass up to the crew the
malfunction procedure to go through to track down and troubleshoot what the slight anomaly is in the SPS valve
position indications. At 4 hours, 14 minutes...
004:14:25 Worden: Houston, 15.
004:14:28 Fullerton: Go ahead.
004:14:30 Worden: Rog, Gordo. We're ready to get the Pyro Arm and Logics on now.
004:14:34 Fullerton: Stand by.
004:14:35 Worden: Okay, logics coming on; Logic 1; Logic 2. [Pause]
004:14:47 Fullerton: You're Go for Pyro Arm.
004:14:50 Worden: Rog.
[Comm break.]
[Al is activating and arming the systems which will allow explosives to detonate and release the LM from the S-
IVB at four attachment points at the end of the upper landing gear outrigging. Spring thrusters will then push the
CSM/LM away from the S-IVB and the remnants of the SLA. As Apollo 15 detaches from the launch vehicle, a
further burn of the minus-X RCS thrusters adds another 0.12 m/s to the 0.25 m/s imparted by the spring thrusters.
All these small-scale velocity changes in the spacecraft's trajectory are taken into account in computing their
path to the Moon.]
Worden (onboard): Okay?
004:14:54 Irwin (onboard): Sequence Pyro Arm, two, go to Arm.
004:14:56 Worden (onboard): Pyro Arm coming on. They're on.
004:15:01 Irwin (onboard): Okay; TVC Servo Power number 1 to AC 1/Main A.
004:15:04 Worden (onboard): AC 1/Main A.
004:15:05 Irwin (onboard): RHC and THC armed.
004:15:08 Worden (onboard): RHC and THC armed.
004:15:12 Irwin (onboard): Okay; call P47.
004:15:13 Worden (onboard): Yes. Okay. Let me put a belt on here to just strap myself down a little bit.
004:15:20 Scott (onboard): Yes. That's a good idea.
004:15:23 Irwin (onboard): Yes, we're going to be right on that time, at 4:16.
004:15:25 Scott (onboard): Got much left to do?
004:15:27 Worden (onboard): [Garble].
004:15:39 Worden (onboard): Here it is.
004:16:01 Scott (onboard): [Garble].
004:16:02 Worden (onboard): Yack!
004:16:03 Scott (onboard): You hold that side, and I...
004:16:04 Worden (onboard): Can you see it?
004:16:07 Scott (onboard): [Garble] this side. [Garble]. Here [garble] get these to your side.
004:16:16 Worden (onboard): Yes.
004:16:29 Worden (onboard): [Garble].
004:16:31 Scott (onboard): Okay, Jimmy.
004:16:32 Irwin (onboard): Okay; call P47.
004:16:39 Worden (onboard): Okay.
004:16:41 Irwin (onboard): EMS Mode, Normal.
004:16:43 Worden (onboard): Normal?
004:16:49 Irwin (onboard): Okay. And whenever we get P47 eliminated there, we're ready for S-IVB/LM Sep, on, up.
004:16:54 Worden (onboard): Okay.
004:16:55 Irwin (onboard): Start the DAC.
004:16:56 Worden (onboard): What?
004:16:57 Scott (onboard): The DAC. Yes.
004:16:58 Worden (onboard): How about the settings on the DAC?
004:16:59 Scott (onboard): [Garble] okay; we won't need [garble].
004:17:01 Worden (onboard): All right.
004:17:03 Scott (onboard): Jim, let's turn the page here [garble] see what we're going to do.
004:17:06 Irwin (onboard): Oh, okay.
004:17:07 Scott (onboard): Now you're going to go over and start the DET.
004:17:09 Worden (onboard): Right.
004:17:10 Scott (onboard): CMC Mode - We do Sep; start the DET; CMC Mode, Auto; and, at 5 seconds, thrust minus-X
for 3 seconds.
004:17:18 Worden (onboard): Okay. Coming up...?
004:17:20 Scott (onboard): 5 seconds.
004:17:22 Worden (onboard): Yes, 5 seconds...
004:17:27 Scott (onboard): I'll hit the Sep, and you get the DET started.
004:17:28 Worden (onboard): Okay; when you're - when you're - on my mark, you hit the SEP and I'll hit the DET.
Ready?
004:17:35 Scott (onboard): I don't think I am.
004:17:36 Worden (onboard): Okay.
004:17:37 Scott (onboard): Okay.
004:17:39 Worden (onboard): Want to do it on the minute?
004:17:40 Scott (onboard): Yes, do it on the minute.
004:17:42 Worden (onboard): All right.
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004:29:41 Scott: Okay, Houston; 15. We have the S-IVB in sight, and it looks like it's probably about - oh 7 or 8 hundred
feet away.
004:29:49 Fullerton: Roger. [Long pause.]
004:30:08 Scott: Houston, 15.
004:30:10 Fullerton: Go ahead, 15.
004:30:12 Scott: Roger. We have the S-IVB in sight, and it looks like it's 500 feet [150 metres] or so away.
[Estimation of distance is as difficult in space as it will be on the Moon with little that is familiar to give a sense
of scale.]
004:30:19 Fullerton: Roger. We copied the first time. If it's okay with you and looks clear, we'll command the yaw
maneuver.
004:30:24 Scott: Ah Roger, and it looks like a clean bird out there.
004:30:31 Fullerton: Roger. [Pause.] We'll be sending the yaw command at 4:31.
004:30:40 Scott: Roger. [Long pause.]
004:31:03 Scott: Okay. We can see the thruster activity on the S-IVB.
004:31:08 Fullerton: Roger.
004:31:13 Scott: It looks like a light mist and a sort of conical shape, maybe - oh, a hundred feet long or so.
004:31:18 Fullerton: Rog. [Long pause.]
[The S-IVB's own attitude control system, the APS (Auxiliary Control System), which is in two units located on
the aft end of the stage, is making a yaw maneuver in preparation for an evasive burn to take it away from the
spacecraft's trajectory. The APS is controlled by the IU under direction from flight controllers on Earth.]
[Over the coming minutes, three photographs are taken on magazine M of the receding S-IVB stage.]
[Scott, from the 1971 Technical debrief: "The evasive burn was a very slow, low thrust maneuver. We could see
some of the propellant coming out. There was a very fine mist if you looked very carefully, and the S-IVB moved
very slowly along its plus X-axis. I rather expected a burn there - some sort of impulsive Delta-V - but it, was a
very slow thing. It wouldn't be any problem getting out of its way, if you were in its way."]
[In three days time, about an hour after Apollo 15 enters lunar orbit, the spent booster stage will impact the
Moon at 1°31'S, 11°49'W. An error, caused by tracking tolerances and unexpected thrusting by the loss of helium
from the stage, causes it to strike 146 km from its intended target, 3°39'S, 7°35'W.]
004:31:56 Scott: And, Houston, as a sidelight, we can verify that the Falcon has his Rover aboard.
004:32:03 Fullerton: Very good. [Long pause.]
[For much of the lunar portion of the mission, Apollo 15 will be split into two spacecraft. To simplify
communications during these periods, the Lunar Module was named Falcon, after the Air Force mascot (Apollo
15 had an all Air Force crew) and the Command Service Module became Endeavour, an inspired choice in view
of the much greater emphasis on science and exploration which this voyage shared with the eighteenth century
ship under the command of Captain James Cook. Part of the extended capability for exploration comes from the
first use of the LRV (Lunar Roving Vehicle) which is presently folded onto one of the sides of Falcon's descent
stage.]
004:32:55 Scott: Houston, 15.
004:33:07 Fullerton: Go ahead. [No answer.]
004:34:00 Fullerton: Go ahead, 15.
[The mission timings given in the technical transcript jump back nearly two minutes at this point.]
004:34:06 Scott: As we watch the S-IVB drift away here, how about passing along to Jim Harrington at the Cape,
congratulations from the crew to the launch team for a superior job.
004:34:16 Fullerton: Okay. We sure will.
004:34:20 Scott: Smooth all the way, and right on time.
004:34:25 Fullerton: Gerry Griffin reports that he's already done that.
004:34:27 Scott: Good.
004:34:28 Fullerton: But we'll second it from the crew.
[Comm break.]
[Scott, from 1998 correspondence: "Jim Harrington's role might be mentioned here - a role, or management
position vital to the success of Apollo, and every bit as important as the number of engines in the SV 1st stage (or
other hardware). He was responsible for preparing the entire stack and making sure the Saturn launch vehicle
and its cargo were ready to go and then performed as required; somewhat different from a Flight Director
because JH had hardware and launch operations responsibilities. His role (and his colleagues on other missions)
was major to the success of the mission. Our crew was probably as close to JH as anybody at the Cape; and he is
currently the KSC Shuttle Launch Director - a very long and very successful career. Kudos to Jim!"]
[Gerry Griffin is the Lead Flight Director for this mission. He, and three other Flight Directors, each head a
team of flight controllers who are assigned to particular mission events as well as covering the duration of the
flight over the 24-hour cycle. Other Flight Directors on this mission include Milton Windler, Glynn Lunney and
Eugene Kranz.]
004:34:54 Fullerton: Apollo 15, Houston. Over.
004:34:55 Scott: Houston, 15.
004:34:57 Fullerton: I was thinking about your "SPS Thrust On" light problem, and we'd like you to verify the positions of
the EMS Function and Mode switches.
[A 12-position function selector and three position mode switch control the operation of the EMS.]
004:35:08 Scott: Rog. Off and Standby.
004:35:14 Fullerton: Roger. [Long pause.]
004:36:11 Irwin: Houston, this is 15. We're starting to configure for charging battery B.
004:36:17 Fullerton: Roger.
[Comm break.]
[The CM carries five main batteries. Two silver oxide-zinc batteries are mounted in the Lower Equipment Bay
and are used only for energising the pyrotechnic devices for CM/SM separation, parachute deployment and
separation, S-IVB separation, Launch Escape Tower separation among other functions. They are not recharged.
Three more silver oxide-zinc batteries supplement the power from the fuel cells during busy periods such as
engine burns and can be recharged from the fuel cells when demand is low. They also provide power for the CM
after the SM has been jettisoned. They will then last through entry, landing and post-landing operations. The
controls for the electrical system are on the right of the Main Display Console, where Jim is seated. To charge
battery B, he must ensure it is not online to the spacecraft's power distribution buses before switching it to the
output from the battery charger. The voltage of the battery can be monitored while it is charging by switching the
DC indicator to the charger.]
004:37:40 Fullerton: Apollo 15, Houston.
004:37:42 Scott: Houston, 15.
004:37:44 Fullerton: I think you may have missed a Verb 66 - right there [in the Flight Plan] just after LM ejection. We
need one now.
[The Apollo computer uses various subroutines to carry out a wide variety of tasks. These routines, or "Verbs"
were identified by a two digit decimal code, from 00 to 99. The 'Verb 66' routine transfers state vector information
from one slot in the computer's memory, where it is intended for the CSM, to another meant for the LM.]
[The state vector is a collection of six numbers which, along with an associated time, that define the spacecraft's
velocity and position. The trajctory can be mathematically deduced from the state vector.]
004:37:51 Scott: Roger. In works [meaning we are carrying out the instruction]. [Long pause.]
004:38:19 Scott: And, Houston, 15. The S-IVB looks nice and stable out there. You're Go for your basic maneuver as far as
we're concerned.
[Dave is referring to the evasive maneuver the S-IVB is about to make.]
004:38:25 Fullerton: Okay, fine. We're just about to ask you on that.
004:38:29 Scott: Okay.
004:38:31 Fullerton: It[the evasive burn]'ll be started at 4:40 [GET].
004:38:36 Scott: Roger; 4:40. [Pause.] And we're just about 90 degrees abeam.
004:38:44 Fullerton: Roger.
[Comm break.]
[The two craft have separated by about 300 metres and the crew are looking sideways on to the S-IVB.]
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004:40:45 Scott: Okay, Houston. We see the S-IVB moving very slowly.
004:40:49 Fullerton: Roger.
[Long comm break.]
[Based on measurements of the film image, and assuming an 80mm lens is fitted to a Hasselblad, two photos of
Earth are taken at this time just after the above S-IVB images.]
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Manual: The HGA points to the angles set into pitch and yaw controls.
Track Auto: Once the HGA has acquired a signal from Earth, Track Auto causes the antenna to lock onto
its direction. Even as the spacecraft rotates, the HGA will continue to be pointed at Earth until it reaches
the limits of its articulation. However, it makes no effort to reacquire Earth once the planet returns to the
HGA's slewing range.
Reacquire: This mode is specifically intended for those periods when the spacecraft's motions are repeated
and predictable. The antenna will track Earth as far as it can. Then, as the spacecraft takes the antenna
away from Earth and outside the limits of its articulation, it points itself to the angles set in the pitch and
yaw controls. If these angles have been properly calculated, the further rotation of the spacecraft should
bring Earth back into the antenna's beam, whereupon it will resume automatic tracking.
The controls for the HGA are at the bottom right hand corner of panel 2 of the Main Display Console.]
004:51:51 Worden: Roger. We copied minus 30 and plus 98.
004:51:55 Fullerton: Roger. [Long pause.]
004:52:44 Worden: Houston, 15. How do you read?
004:52:47 Fullerton: Loud and clear.
004:52:55 Fullerton: 15, Houston. Watch your middle gimbal.
[The "middle gimbal" is a reference to the second of three gimbals within the IMU (Inertial Measurement Unit).
Briefly stated, when an inertial platform is mounted within three gimbals, it can exhibit the property of "locking",
so-called gimbal lock, when the spacecraft is maneuvered through a certain range of attitudes. These attitudes
were marked on the attitude indicators ("8 balls"). There was no real danger to the spacecraft or crew if the
gimbals locked whil the spacecraft was in coasting flight, but all attitude references would be lost. (A lock-up in
powered flight was another matter!) A complete realignment of the platform would be necessary, which is a
tedious procedure but one which had been well rehearsed by the crews on the ground. Gordon Fullerton's
admonishments to be careful were to ensure that an otherwise unnecessary problem would be avoided.]
004:53:00 Worden: Roger.
[Long comm break.]
[Flight Plan page 3-10.]
[The S-IVB has begun venting LH2 via the CVS (Continuous Vent System), imparting a slight Delta-V of 0.42
m/s.]
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005:04:37 Fullerton: 15, Houston, the computer is yours. You have a new REFSMMAT and the trunnion bias has been
zeroed.
005:04:44 Worden: Roger, Gordo. Thank you.
[Very long comm break.]
[A new REFSMMAT has been uplinked to the spacecraft. Thus far, the precise orientation of the launch pad at the
time of launch has provided the basis for aligning the inertial platform. Having left the vicinity of Earth, this
orientation is obsolete. A new frame of reference will be used which suits spacecraft operations during the coast
to the Moon, particularly the need to regularly rotate the spacecraft side-on to the Sun. This PTC (Passive
Thermal Control) REFSMMAT is based on the plane of the ecliptic and the ecliptic poles.]
[CapCom's reference to the trunnion bias refers to the declination axis of the spacecraft's optical systems, the
sextant and the scanning telescope, and the need to ensure its positional accuracy.]
[The crew has a few minutes to catch their breath after the first five highly concentrated hours since Apollo 15
left Earth. The Flight Plan suggests that, at their own option, the crew take some interior movie photography
using the DAC (Data Acquisition Camera).]
[Apollo 15 carries three 16-mm Maurer Data Acquisition Cameras, one for use in the Command Module and
powered, via a cable, from the spacecraft's 28-volt DC supply; the others are stowed in the Lunar Module and
will be used only during the lunar exploration. One is powered from the LM's internal supply, the other from an
attached battery power pack. These cameras are very small, compact units. With their 130-foot film magazine
attached, they are slightly smaller than a thick paperback book but they are adapted to allow operation by a
gloved hand. Two interchangeable lenses, 18-mm and 75-mm, are carried for the unit carried in the CM while the
lunar units have only one 10-mm lens each. They can be run at 1, 6, 12 or 24 frames per second, allowing up to
87 minutes of filming on a single magazine at 1 frame per second.]
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Public Affairs Officer - This is Apollo Control at 5 hours, 16 minutes Ground Elapsed Time. Distance from
Earth, now 20,412 nautical miles [37,803 km]. Velocity; 13,335 feet per second [4,065 m/s]. Crew of Apollo 15
can hardly be called verbose. It's been extremely quiet during this period after Translunar Injection. The crew will
be settling down for an eat period in less than an hour at which time it'll probably be even quieter. Standing by on
air-to-ground up and live, this is Apollo Control.