Trading The Risk: Position Sizing and Exit Stops
Trading The Risk: Position Sizing and Exit Stops
Scope of Talk
Short to intermediate-term trading Rational methods of position sizing and
stop selection; mostly quantitative Oriented towards futures but also applicable to stocks One market-system at a time
dependency between trades. In most cases, trades are independent of each other. The odds of the next trade being a win are not related to whether the last trade was a win or a loss. If trades are independent, you cant determine the likelihood of the next trade being a win or a loss based on the previous trade.
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maximum historical drawdown multiplied by 1.5 plus the margin requirement. Add another contract only when the closed profits are equal to drawdown * 1.5 plus margin. Attributable to Larry Williams; see The Definitive Guide to Futures Trading, Volume II.
Equity
1-Con Marg+DD
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Equity
100000
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No. Contracts
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No. Contracts
90,000
120,000
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Equity
250000 200000 150000 100000 50000 0 12/31/97 12/31/98 12/31/99 12/30/00 12/30/01
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m=0.5 275000 200000 125000 50000 12/31/98 12/31/99 12/30/00 12/30/01 m=1.0 m=1.5
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late. m >= 1 works best when biggest run-up comes late. For any sequence of trades, there is probably an optimal value of m. However, the sequence of trades and drawdowns/run-ups is unknown. (Monte Carlo analysis to find the best m?)
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Stendahl, TASC, July, 1998. Monte Carlo simulation: Bryant, TASC, February, 2001.
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Equity
55000 DD=9.3% 45000 35000 25000 15000 12/31/97 12/31/98 12/31/99 12/30/00 12/30/01
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Equity
55000 DD=16.7% 45000 35000 25000 15000 12/31/97 12/31/98 12/31/99 12/30/00 12/30/01
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Equity
55000 DD=25.6% 45000 35000 25000 15000 12/31/97 12/31/98 12/31/99 12/30/00 12/30/01
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Equity
55000 DD=37.6% 45000 35000 25000 15000 12/31/97 12/31/98 12/31/99 12/30/00 12/30/01
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55000 DD=46.2% 45000 35000 25000 15000 12/31/97 12/31/98 12/31/99 12/30/00 12/30/01
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55000 45000 35000 25000 15000 12/31/97 12/31/98 12/31/99 12/30/00 12/30/01
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20 00
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Trade P/L
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60 00
60 40
Fixed Fraction
P (40% DD)
80
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RoR at P=95%
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0 0.3 0.4
DD at P=95%
2500
80
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10-day ATR
% of Total
60 50 40 30 20 10 0
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10-day ATR
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10-day ATR
0 28
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95
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Trailing Stops
Some ideas for trailing stops: Try basing the size of the stop on volatility, as suggested for money management stops, but use a smaller value. Try tightening the stop sharply after a big move in your favor (but not before). If the trailing stop is tighter than the mm stop, wait until the market has moved in your favor by some multiple of the ATR before applying the trailing stop.
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Performance Measures
Problem: If you simulate trading with
position sizing, how does this affect performance measurements? Short answer: Dont rely on the TradeStation performance summary.
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Largest Win
Largest Loss
Max Drawdown
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