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A Precise and Absolutely Error Free Forecast of Future Conditions To: City of Maricopa 5 th  Annual Economic Development Event December 8, 2011 By: Jim Rounds Senior V.P., Elliott D. Pollack & Company
Going from Economic to  Psychological? “Tell me about your mother”
Going from Economic to  Political?
Going from Forecasting to  Guessing? Many are not looking at the right numbers. Ben Bernanke – Fall 2011
U.S. Conditions
?
Signs of a Double Dip –  Look for  Declines  in these Main Economic Categories Real GDP Real Income Employment Industrial Production  Wholesale – Retail Sales
Real Gross Domestic Product Percent Change Quarter Ago, Annualized 1971 – 2011 *  Source: Bureau of Economic Analysis * Data through 3rd quarter 2011 No Recession Periods
Real Disposable Personal Income Percent Change Year Ago 1971 – 2011 *  Source: Bureau of Economic Analysis * Data through second quarter 2011 No Recession Periods
US New Job Data  Change from Prior Month (S/A) June 2010 – November 2011 Source: Bureau Labor of Statistics (000’s) No
Industrial Production Percent Change Year Ago 1973 – 2011*  Source: The Conference Board *Data through July 2011 No Recession Periods
Real Retail Sales U.S.  Percent Change Year Ago 1973 – 2011*  Source: Federal Reserve *Data through August 2011 **Three-month moving average No Recession Periods
Recession Indicators Summary: Still Moving Upward (Just VERY Slowly) Real GDP  (watch closely early 2012) Real Income Employment  (watch closely now) Industrial Production  Wholesale – Retail Sales
OR SAFE ?
Other Measures…
Hours Worked Percent Change from Year Ago 1976 – 2011*  Source: Bureau of Labor Statistics *Data through second quarter 2011 Recession Periods
Capacity Utilization Rate 1970 – 2011*  Source: The Conference Board *Data through August 2011 Recession Periods
Corporate Profit  (Billions of Dollars, SA)  1975-2011* Source: BEA * Data through second quarter 2011 But… Recession Periods
Corporate Profit By Industry ($Billions) 2011 q2 Source: BEA ?
No Joke: Times Getting Tough for U.S. Bankers by Francesco Guerrera Tuesday, October 25, 2011   THE WALL STREET JOURNAL … After a brief, if spectacular,  rebound in profits in 2009—largely due to government aid received during the crisis  and the unleashing of pent-up investor demand after it—banks' fortunes have taken a turn for the worse. Some executives have even begun to wonder whether the industry is entering its own Great Depression—not a "normal" cyclical downturn but a  prolonged slump that will leave a lasting mark on the sector's structure…
Jobs are being created but not quickly enough. Those that have jobs are spending a little more but will remain cautious. Most of those that don’t have jobs probably won’t anytime soon. Wealth levels are improving but people still feel poor. Consumer Summary:
Profits are high, but… Business spending on  plant  will be slow for now, but getting closer to seeing some limited investment. Hiring  will still be relatively slow, but more pressure to hire soon. Lots of money sitting on the sidelines.  Why? Business Summary:
Consumers (& businesses) are  worried , Thus, they are  saving  more and trying to get  out of debt , So,  spending less  than normal, Means  less demand   for products/services , Means  less demand for labor and capital , and falling profits, Means  more worry  for the employed (aka consumers/businesses). Deleveraging  & Liquidity Traps
Federal Government was  already borrowing and spending too much, “ Stimulus” has also been inefficient, Thus, cannot afford more  (so no Keynesian spending opportunity), Monetary policy is now of limited benefit  as well, Interest rates are low and little borrowing/lending. Need more certainty.  How? Deleveraging &  Liquidity Traps
What not to look at just yet…
Consumer Confidence 1978 – 2011*  Source: The Dismal Scientist *Data through September 2011 1985 Benchmark = 100 Recession Periods
U.S. Unemployment Rate 1980 – 2011*  Source: Bureau of Labor Statistics *Data through Sep 2011 Recession Periods
Current  State and Local Basics
There is some good news…
… And some bad news.
9 4 1 5 2 10 3 7 Job Growth 2006 11 15 6 22 8 Source: US BLS 13 Jobs growing Jobs declining Top 10 Hawaii Alaska
5 49 23 35 45 4 32 8 24 47 50 44 1 16 3 Alaska  2 13 18 30 Job Growth 2009 Source: US BLS 46 Jobs growing Jobs declining Top 10 Hawaii
11 8 October  YTD  2011 vs October  YTD  2010   30 4 13 32 2 45 9 Job Growth Update: Arizona Ranked 30 th   47 28 1 3 34 Alaska  7 49 21 26 36 14 10 18 6 20 5 17 Jobs growing Jobs declining Top 10 Hawaii
 
What to focus on  during the coming years…
Jobs Population Economic Base
AZ New Job Data  Change from Prior Month (S/A) May 2010 – October 2011 Source: Bureau Labor of Statistics (000’s) ?
Greater Phoenix Employment*  Annual Percent Change 1975–2012**   Source: Department of Commerce, Research Administration *Non-agricultural wage & salary employment.  Changed from SIC to NAICS  reporting in 1990. ** 2011& 2012 forecast is from  Elliott D. Pollack & Co. YTD Phx = 1.0%;  AZ = 0.7% Y/Y  Phx = 2.3%;  AZ = 2.2% Recession Periods
Greater Phoenix Population  Annual Percent Change 1976–2012* Source: Arizona State University & Department of Commerce, Research Administration 2008 and 2009 are estimates put out by ADES and may be subject to substantial revision. * 2011 & 2012 forecast is from  Elliott D. Pollack & Co. *2000-2010 estimates based on 2010 Census release ? Recession Periods
U.S. Single-Family Starts 1978–2011 1/ Source: Census Bureau   (Millions) 1/ Through June 2011 Over- supply Under- supply LTA: 1.2 Recession Periods
Single-Family Permits vs. Population Demand Greater Phoenix 1975–2015 Source: PMHS / RL Brown   # Permits * 2011 - 2015 forecast is from  Elliott D. Pollack & Co. ? Recession Periods
Home Prices Indices   2000 – 2011 (July)  Source: Macro Markets, LLC; AMLS Weak Pop/Emp Investors ? Recession Periods
Negative Equity in Homes  Affects Ability to Sell or Buy Source: First American Core Logic 50% of homes with mortgages in Arizona have negative equity.
Weak population numbers for now. Weak employment numbers for now ( rates  to lead the country soon though). Based on current activity, the full recovery is still a ways away. But…what’s ahead? Arizona Current Conditions Summary:
We are who we are… …for now
9 4 1 5 2 10 3 7 Job Growth 2006 2014/2015? 11 15 6 22 8 Source: US BLS 13 Jobs growing Jobs declining Top 10 Hawaii Alaska
But, can we also grow in terms of  quality ?
Positives?
This is NOT a multi decade recovery… Think 2015 for full recovery for most, but growth before then.
Greater Phoenix Employment*   Source: Bureau of Labor Statistics *September 2011/September 2010 Sectors in Decline Net Change Other Services -300 Federal Government -400 Prof. & Bus. Services -4,100 Sectors Improving Net Change Education & Health Services 16,400 Transp, Trade, & Utilities 7,700 Leisure & Hospitality 6,700 Construction 4,900 Local Government 2,700 Financial Activities 2,600 Manufacturing 1,900 State Government 600 Mining 0 Information 0
Phoenix-Mesa Employment Growth (Ranking among all metro areas greater than 1,000,000; 2011 October/October) Source: Arizona State University, U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics YEAR    RANK  # of MSAs 1991     4   20 1992       5   20 1993       2   20 1994       1   20 1995       1   21 1996       1   23 1997     2   23 1998       1   24 1999       3   26 2000      8   26 2001     6   28 2002     5  28 2003      3 29 2004    4 29 2005      1 30  2006      1 31 2007      10 32 2008   29 32 2009    31    32 2010      31 32 2011   9 32
 
 
Properties in the Foreclosure Process  Maricopa County 2002 – 2011*  Source: The Information Market *Data through August 2011. Recession Periods
Housing Opportunity Index*  Greater Phoenix vs. US 1992-2011**  Source: NAHB *Data through Q2 2011. ** Years 2002 & 2003 only have one data figure
One survey shows that over  80% of current single family RENTERS would like to soon own. Some of these homes are thus  permanently absorbed.
Benefiting from basic demographic changes…
5 9 10 Benefits of the “SUNBELT” Alaska Hawaii Industrial Northwest
Negative Equity in Homes  Affects Ability to Sell or Buy Source: First American Core Logic 50% of homes with mortgages in Arizona have negative equity. (National average about 25%)
Retirement Home Buying Cycle Net Change in Maricopa County Population Ages 55 to 69 1991-2030 Source: U.S. Bureau of the Census, Arizona Department of Economic Security
Trade-Up Home Buying Cycle Net Change in Maricopa County Population Ages 34 to 44 1991-2030 Source: U.S. Bureau of the Census, Arizona Department of Economic Security
Starter Home Buying Cycle Net Change in Maricopa County Population Ages 25 to 34 1991-2030 Source: U.S. Bureau of the Census, Arizona Department of Economic Security
Back to Normal Vacancy – Overall Region? Office =  2015? Industrial =  2014? Retail =  2015?
Tax Revenues?
STILL APPLIES State forecast revisions in our future?
Economic Competitiveness
Figure out who we are… Then try to improve the situation.
Old  Competitiveness Map –  AZ will be Moving Up(???)
What about the bad national press? Yes, SB1070
Governor impeached Real estate depression Defense cutbacks AZ Scam Martin Luther King Holiday Crisis Keating Keating 5 Every S&L taken over by RTC Between 1987 and 1992
Related worker shortages won’t hit us until 2014/2015 or so.
We will continue to grow faster than the rest  of the country over the long run. If we do things right we might even grow  in  terms of quality. Coordination among all of the E.D. entities  will be critical. Economic Development Summary:
Something still needs to be done about statewide  tourism  promotion.
 
Future Conditions Summary
Performance Measures? Falling far results in:   - Strong rates of growth that seemingly don’t  match the reported “levels” of activity.  - Strong rankings that seemingly don’t match  what we read in the paper.  - Panic and opinions that the world is 100%  different than before.  Not necessarily true,  we need to maintain some perspective.
“ A Lost Decade,” but what does this tell us about the future?
a) Underlying fundamentals remain, we will grow, but we will need to try harder. b) Break in underlying fundamentals, flat decade means no future. Basic Question:
Jobs Population Economic Base
ELLIOTT D. POLLACK   & Company 7505 East Sixth Avenue,  Suite 100  Scottsdale, Arizona  85251 480-423-9200 P / 480-423-5942 F / www.arizonaeconomy.com / info@edpco.com Economic and Fiscal Impact Analysis/Modeling Real Estate Market and Feasibility Studies Litigation Support Revenue Forecasting Keynote Speaking Public Finance and Policy Development Land Use Economics Economic Development

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Jim Rounds - Economic Outlook for Maricopa Event

  • 1. A Precise and Absolutely Error Free Forecast of Future Conditions To: City of Maricopa 5 th Annual Economic Development Event December 8, 2011 By: Jim Rounds Senior V.P., Elliott D. Pollack & Company
  • 2. Going from Economic to Psychological? “Tell me about your mother”
  • 3. Going from Economic to Political?
  • 4. Going from Forecasting to Guessing? Many are not looking at the right numbers. Ben Bernanke – Fall 2011
  • 6. ?
  • 7. Signs of a Double Dip – Look for Declines in these Main Economic Categories Real GDP Real Income Employment Industrial Production Wholesale – Retail Sales
  • 8. Real Gross Domestic Product Percent Change Quarter Ago, Annualized 1971 – 2011 * Source: Bureau of Economic Analysis * Data through 3rd quarter 2011 No Recession Periods
  • 9. Real Disposable Personal Income Percent Change Year Ago 1971 – 2011 * Source: Bureau of Economic Analysis * Data through second quarter 2011 No Recession Periods
  • 10. US New Job Data Change from Prior Month (S/A) June 2010 – November 2011 Source: Bureau Labor of Statistics (000’s) No
  • 11. Industrial Production Percent Change Year Ago 1973 – 2011* Source: The Conference Board *Data through July 2011 No Recession Periods
  • 12. Real Retail Sales U.S. Percent Change Year Ago 1973 – 2011* Source: Federal Reserve *Data through August 2011 **Three-month moving average No Recession Periods
  • 13. Recession Indicators Summary: Still Moving Upward (Just VERY Slowly) Real GDP (watch closely early 2012) Real Income Employment (watch closely now) Industrial Production Wholesale – Retail Sales
  • 16. Hours Worked Percent Change from Year Ago 1976 – 2011* Source: Bureau of Labor Statistics *Data through second quarter 2011 Recession Periods
  • 17. Capacity Utilization Rate 1970 – 2011* Source: The Conference Board *Data through August 2011 Recession Periods
  • 18. Corporate Profit (Billions of Dollars, SA) 1975-2011* Source: BEA * Data through second quarter 2011 But… Recession Periods
  • 19. Corporate Profit By Industry ($Billions) 2011 q2 Source: BEA ?
  • 20. No Joke: Times Getting Tough for U.S. Bankers by Francesco Guerrera Tuesday, October 25, 2011 THE WALL STREET JOURNAL … After a brief, if spectacular, rebound in profits in 2009—largely due to government aid received during the crisis and the unleashing of pent-up investor demand after it—banks' fortunes have taken a turn for the worse. Some executives have even begun to wonder whether the industry is entering its own Great Depression—not a "normal" cyclical downturn but a prolonged slump that will leave a lasting mark on the sector's structure…
  • 21. Jobs are being created but not quickly enough. Those that have jobs are spending a little more but will remain cautious. Most of those that don’t have jobs probably won’t anytime soon. Wealth levels are improving but people still feel poor. Consumer Summary:
  • 22. Profits are high, but… Business spending on plant will be slow for now, but getting closer to seeing some limited investment. Hiring will still be relatively slow, but more pressure to hire soon. Lots of money sitting on the sidelines. Why? Business Summary:
  • 23. Consumers (& businesses) are worried , Thus, they are saving more and trying to get out of debt , So, spending less than normal, Means less demand for products/services , Means less demand for labor and capital , and falling profits, Means more worry for the employed (aka consumers/businesses). Deleveraging & Liquidity Traps
  • 24. Federal Government was already borrowing and spending too much, “ Stimulus” has also been inefficient, Thus, cannot afford more (so no Keynesian spending opportunity), Monetary policy is now of limited benefit as well, Interest rates are low and little borrowing/lending. Need more certainty. How? Deleveraging & Liquidity Traps
  • 25. What not to look at just yet…
  • 26. Consumer Confidence 1978 – 2011* Source: The Dismal Scientist *Data through September 2011 1985 Benchmark = 100 Recession Periods
  • 27. U.S. Unemployment Rate 1980 – 2011* Source: Bureau of Labor Statistics *Data through Sep 2011 Recession Periods
  • 28. Current State and Local Basics
  • 29. There is some good news…
  • 30. … And some bad news.
  • 31. 9 4 1 5 2 10 3 7 Job Growth 2006 11 15 6 22 8 Source: US BLS 13 Jobs growing Jobs declining Top 10 Hawaii Alaska
  • 32. 5 49 23 35 45 4 32 8 24 47 50 44 1 16 3 Alaska 2 13 18 30 Job Growth 2009 Source: US BLS 46 Jobs growing Jobs declining Top 10 Hawaii
  • 33. 11 8 October YTD 2011 vs October YTD 2010 30 4 13 32 2 45 9 Job Growth Update: Arizona Ranked 30 th 47 28 1 3 34 Alaska 7 49 21 26 36 14 10 18 6 20 5 17 Jobs growing Jobs declining Top 10 Hawaii
  • 34.  
  • 35. What to focus on during the coming years…
  • 37. AZ New Job Data Change from Prior Month (S/A) May 2010 – October 2011 Source: Bureau Labor of Statistics (000’s) ?
  • 38. Greater Phoenix Employment* Annual Percent Change 1975–2012** Source: Department of Commerce, Research Administration *Non-agricultural wage & salary employment. Changed from SIC to NAICS reporting in 1990. ** 2011& 2012 forecast is from Elliott D. Pollack & Co. YTD Phx = 1.0%; AZ = 0.7% Y/Y Phx = 2.3%; AZ = 2.2% Recession Periods
  • 39. Greater Phoenix Population Annual Percent Change 1976–2012* Source: Arizona State University & Department of Commerce, Research Administration 2008 and 2009 are estimates put out by ADES and may be subject to substantial revision. * 2011 & 2012 forecast is from Elliott D. Pollack & Co. *2000-2010 estimates based on 2010 Census release ? Recession Periods
  • 40. U.S. Single-Family Starts 1978–2011 1/ Source: Census Bureau (Millions) 1/ Through June 2011 Over- supply Under- supply LTA: 1.2 Recession Periods
  • 41. Single-Family Permits vs. Population Demand Greater Phoenix 1975–2015 Source: PMHS / RL Brown # Permits * 2011 - 2015 forecast is from Elliott D. Pollack & Co. ? Recession Periods
  • 42. Home Prices Indices 2000 – 2011 (July) Source: Macro Markets, LLC; AMLS Weak Pop/Emp Investors ? Recession Periods
  • 43. Negative Equity in Homes Affects Ability to Sell or Buy Source: First American Core Logic 50% of homes with mortgages in Arizona have negative equity.
  • 44. Weak population numbers for now. Weak employment numbers for now ( rates to lead the country soon though). Based on current activity, the full recovery is still a ways away. But…what’s ahead? Arizona Current Conditions Summary:
  • 45. We are who we are… …for now
  • 46. 9 4 1 5 2 10 3 7 Job Growth 2006 2014/2015? 11 15 6 22 8 Source: US BLS 13 Jobs growing Jobs declining Top 10 Hawaii Alaska
  • 47. But, can we also grow in terms of quality ?
  • 49. This is NOT a multi decade recovery… Think 2015 for full recovery for most, but growth before then.
  • 50. Greater Phoenix Employment* Source: Bureau of Labor Statistics *September 2011/September 2010 Sectors in Decline Net Change Other Services -300 Federal Government -400 Prof. & Bus. Services -4,100 Sectors Improving Net Change Education & Health Services 16,400 Transp, Trade, & Utilities 7,700 Leisure & Hospitality 6,700 Construction 4,900 Local Government 2,700 Financial Activities 2,600 Manufacturing 1,900 State Government 600 Mining 0 Information 0
  • 51. Phoenix-Mesa Employment Growth (Ranking among all metro areas greater than 1,000,000; 2011 October/October) Source: Arizona State University, U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics YEAR RANK # of MSAs 1991 4 20 1992 5 20 1993 2 20 1994 1 20 1995 1 21 1996 1 23 1997 2 23 1998 1 24 1999 3 26 2000 8 26 2001 6 28 2002 5 28 2003 3 29 2004 4 29 2005 1 30 2006 1 31 2007 10 32 2008 29 32 2009 31 32 2010 31 32 2011 9 32
  • 52.  
  • 53.  
  • 54. Properties in the Foreclosure Process Maricopa County 2002 – 2011* Source: The Information Market *Data through August 2011. Recession Periods
  • 55. Housing Opportunity Index* Greater Phoenix vs. US 1992-2011** Source: NAHB *Data through Q2 2011. ** Years 2002 & 2003 only have one data figure
  • 56. One survey shows that over 80% of current single family RENTERS would like to soon own. Some of these homes are thus permanently absorbed.
  • 57. Benefiting from basic demographic changes…
  • 58. 5 9 10 Benefits of the “SUNBELT” Alaska Hawaii Industrial Northwest
  • 59. Negative Equity in Homes Affects Ability to Sell or Buy Source: First American Core Logic 50% of homes with mortgages in Arizona have negative equity. (National average about 25%)
  • 60. Retirement Home Buying Cycle Net Change in Maricopa County Population Ages 55 to 69 1991-2030 Source: U.S. Bureau of the Census, Arizona Department of Economic Security
  • 61. Trade-Up Home Buying Cycle Net Change in Maricopa County Population Ages 34 to 44 1991-2030 Source: U.S. Bureau of the Census, Arizona Department of Economic Security
  • 62. Starter Home Buying Cycle Net Change in Maricopa County Population Ages 25 to 34 1991-2030 Source: U.S. Bureau of the Census, Arizona Department of Economic Security
  • 63. Back to Normal Vacancy – Overall Region? Office = 2015? Industrial = 2014? Retail = 2015?
  • 65. STILL APPLIES State forecast revisions in our future?
  • 67. Figure out who we are… Then try to improve the situation.
  • 68. Old Competitiveness Map – AZ will be Moving Up(???)
  • 69. What about the bad national press? Yes, SB1070
  • 70. Governor impeached Real estate depression Defense cutbacks AZ Scam Martin Luther King Holiday Crisis Keating Keating 5 Every S&L taken over by RTC Between 1987 and 1992
  • 71. Related worker shortages won’t hit us until 2014/2015 or so.
  • 72. We will continue to grow faster than the rest of the country over the long run. If we do things right we might even grow in terms of quality. Coordination among all of the E.D. entities will be critical. Economic Development Summary:
  • 73. Something still needs to be done about statewide tourism promotion.
  • 74.  
  • 76. Performance Measures? Falling far results in: - Strong rates of growth that seemingly don’t match the reported “levels” of activity. - Strong rankings that seemingly don’t match what we read in the paper. - Panic and opinions that the world is 100% different than before. Not necessarily true, we need to maintain some perspective.
  • 77. “ A Lost Decade,” but what does this tell us about the future?
  • 78. a) Underlying fundamentals remain, we will grow, but we will need to try harder. b) Break in underlying fundamentals, flat decade means no future. Basic Question:
  • 80. ELLIOTT D. POLLACK & Company 7505 East Sixth Avenue, Suite 100 Scottsdale, Arizona 85251 480-423-9200 P / 480-423-5942 F / www.arizonaeconomy.com / [email protected] Economic and Fiscal Impact Analysis/Modeling Real Estate Market and Feasibility Studies Litigation Support Revenue Forecasting Keynote Speaking Public Finance and Policy Development Land Use Economics Economic Development