The Sales Leader Lab
Proven & Actionable
Programs to Directly
Impact Q4
Tony Wiedenski
Sales Growth Consultant
RevUp Sales
tonyw@revup-sales.com
www.revup-sales.com
Michael Phelan
Principal & Founder
Go-To-Market Pros
michael@gotomarketpros.com
Gotomarketpros.com
+
Introduction
+
Michael Phelan
Principal & Founder
Go-To-Market Pros
Tony Wiedenski
Founder, Sales Growth Consultant
RevUp Sales
6 Ways to Book More
Discovery Meetings
+
680,000 BDRs finding it harder to get meetings
Reps are getting zero training on
how to get more meetings
30% Drop: Discovery Meetings
Less Meetings: Less
Opportunities
"83% of buyers buy
from the first vendor
they reach out to"
50% Drop: Lead-to-meeting conversion
Sales & Marketing Clutter Increasing
Business Climate Tightening & Changing
“Corporations are looking to purchase products & services that positively impact
business performance in 2023 (cost savings, process efficiencies, enhanced profit,
Incremental revenue)
“Buyers are keenly interested & influenced by the performance of their best-in-class peers,
They have a compelling desire to bridge relevant performance gaps”
Need to move to a Jobs-to-be-Done Framework
Top BDRs book most of their own meetings
independently
Anything they get from marketing is ”icing on
the cake”
Proactively leverage 20 + techniques to get
meetings (none are scaled)
Select companies know how to create a
programmatic approach
Results of best practices research
“It’s just the economy, discovery meetings will come back”
“It’s the dark web, buyers do not want early-stage engagement”
“Our buyers no longer want discovery meetings”
“We engage buyers later in their journey, meet them where they are”
“This is a sales issue, talk to them”
”I promised our CEO that we gain back by increased conversion”
“Our new sales tech purchase will solve for this”
“Late-stage-only” vendor engagement favors historical market-leader
Sales and Marketing executives offer excuses for failing to
address a 30% decline in discovery meetings during 2024
•Sales & Marketing Leadership needs to offer “Programmatic Prospect
Engagement”
•Not about messaging, it’s about a “value exchange”
•Discovery Meetings need to be led by “buyer-value”
•Buyers are evolving but they have common “unmet needs”
•Tell your buyers something important they “do not know or see”
•MQLs & SQLs needs to change: “Interaction & discovery meetings”
•Buyers are motivated to “bridge peer performance gaps”
•Buyer Intent does not directly equate to desire to meet you
•It’s not about your competitors, it about theirs
Implications summary
B2B Marketers: Pedaling harder & going slower
Need a new
approach!
Marketing direction: double down on Q4 Execution
Proven Programs: Interaction & Discovery
• Moderated Best Practices (1)
• ABM Referrals & Introductions at scale (2)
• Benchmarking & Path Forward Consulting (3)
• Score/Plateau
• Performance Gaps vs Peer Competitors (4)
• Become an Analyst for your Prospects (5)
• Prospect Engagement Questionnaires (6)
• Prospect/Customer Expert Podcasts (7)
• Customer or Employee VOP Pain Research (8)
• VIP Dinners, Customer Panels & Round Tables (9)
• Proprietary Research (10)
• Become News (11-Recorded Future News/Daily)
• Create a Prospect Community (12)
• Analyst or Expert Access & Introductions (13)
• Before & After CX (14)
• Day-in-the-Life-Employee/Customer (15)
• Executive to Executive Outreach (16)
• Meeting Technology (17-Calendly & Chatbots)
• Multi-Step Content Assets (18)
• Audit & Problem Identification (19-Webgrader)
• Hands-On Discovery Workshop (20)
• Leaving Money-on-the-Table (21-Staples)
• Industry Ranking (22)
• Certification (23)
• Become the Prospect’s Advocate (24)
• Offer New Operating Processes (25-Hubspot)
• Top Rated (26)
• Custom Database with Purchase Triggers (27)
Moderated Best Practices: Exchange Solutions:
95% (1)
Benchmarking & Path Forward Consulting (3)
Performance gaps vs peer competitors (4)
Prospect’s Customer Perfective
Versus
Before & After Results or CX (14)
Audit & Problem Identification (19-Webgrader)
Leaving Money-on-the-Table (21-Staples)
Industry Ranking-SAILTHRU (22)
Custom Database with Purchase Triggers (27)
5X Increase in Meetings per BDR
Program
-Prospects with demo buttons converted better
-Scraped prospect websites with demo buttons
-Overlay data for those hiring BRDs
-Overlay data for those seeking to ramp demos
-Augmented prospect contact list
5 Ways to Improve
Win Rates
+
60%
20% 85%
Average close rate
in B2B sales
Deals lost to no
decision / no
response
Time spent
evaluating a
purchase without a
sales person
present
State of B2B Sales
Source: Aggregated company data from 23 companies & Gartner
Most deals lost to indecision
+ extremely limited time with buyer
= Sellers need to deliver value on every
call/interaction
CFOs and Other Decision Makers Ask…
2
1
WHY do we have to do
this?
WHY can’t we do it
on our own, with
what we have?
3
WHY do we have to
do it now?
Slight adjustments =
significant results
5 Ways to Improve Win Rates
1
Why are they here in the first place?
What do they need to accomplish?
What is preventing them from achieving their goals/initiatives?
What problems, and serious impact, could occur?
Move beyond the product, focus on
why change
Buyer
Information
about YOU
Information
about THEM
- Some product info from website
- Pricing (potentially)
- Use cases
- Research & white papers
- Reviews
- Goals and priorities
- Competitive threats
- Systems, teams, process, and people in place
today
- Pain & problems causing negative impacts
- KPIs and metrics - actual vs goal
- Decision criteria to evaluate and implement
change
- Knowledge of the internal buying process and
who needs to be involved
Product/Seller
👤
- Detailed product info (features)
- Actual pricing, discounting
- Implementation & training steps
- Internal sales process
- Industry & type of business
- Potential competitors
- Potential priorities (if public)
- Info gathered on social media
Will this product/service help me…
- Solve a problem I can’t solve on
my own
- Achieve an outcome I can’t
achieve today with what I have
How can I close this
sale?
The LESS you know about the
BUYER, the MORE you rely on the
BUYER to decide if they should buy
5 Way to Improve Win Rates
2
Instead, discuss deals using objection information and objective data discussed
with and confirmed by the buyer
Remove “feelings” from the sale and discuss facts
Stop accepting subjective information in deal
and pipeline reviews
SUBJECTIVE
“Great meeting, great demo”
“Really good prospect”
“They are dealing with a lot of issues”
“They don’t have a way to do X…”
OBJECTIVE
“5 support issues per day, typically X,
causing Y, preventing them from Z”
“They don’t have location-data and
cannot target the right customers at
the right time, causing…#”
5 Ways to Improve Win Rates
3
Put every deal through the same stress test
Require a minimum threshold for a deal to be forecasted
MUST also serve as a coaching framework for your reps
Use a repeatable deal framework and
stick to it
Each piece scored
0.0 missing
0.5 partial
1.0 complete
4 total “points”
If you don’t have
something, strive to get
this information
The higher the score, the
better chance to close
Minimum of 2.5 to be
forecasted
Example…4-Point Deal Forecasting
(1pt)
Solution Fit
Can you pinpoint which
features will fix their pain &
problems
(1pt)
Business Case
Is there a quantified business
case for change?
(1pt)
Committee Involved
Have you identified the decision
committee and are you
engaged with each person?
(1pt)
Agreed Timeline
Have you laid out the timeline
for when the buyer has to
decide and what needs to
happen along the way?
5 Ways to Improve Win Rates
4
Use what you learned and describe exactly how you fix their pain/problems
Wait as long as possible so you can make the best recommendation
Sometimes, needs to happen soon, but pivot back to the customer
Rethink discovery - most important part
of the sales process
Messaging Alignment - Know What You Are Looking For
Solution
List all services, products,
and.or major features you
sell
Pain Problem Impact
What specific pain(s) does
each service, product, or
solution fix directly?
Because those pains exist,
what serious problems are
occurring, or could occur?
What could happen if
these problems aren’t
fixed?
Competitors Internal Threats
How do you solve the pain/problems
different from your competitors?
How might the organization or individual
try to solve these pains/problems on their
own, with what they already have?
5 Ways to Improve Win Rates
5
Mimic the behaviors of professional sports teams, and other top performers in
the field
Film review and coaching are CRITICAL of their success to maintain high
performance
Safe space to do it and to continuously improve
Cultivate a high-performing culture that
embracing coaching
(1) Move beyond the product, focus on why change
5 Ways to Improve Win Rates
(2) Stop accepting subjective information in deal and pipeline reviews
(3) Use a repeatable deal framework (i.e. 4-pt example) and stick to it
(4) Rethink discovery - most important part of the sales process
(5) Cultivate a high-performing culture that embracing coaching
Next Steps
Company-specific session for
you and your colleagues
+
Q & A
Ask Us Anything
+
Michael Phelan
Principal & Founder
Go-To-Market Pros
michael@gotomarketpros.com
Gotomarketpros.com
Tony Wiedenski
Sales Growth Consultant
RevUp Sales
tonyw@revup-sales.com
www.revup-sales.com

More Related Content

PPTX
Sales Playbook Template
PPT
BendPoly - Fundamentals of B2B Sales and Marketing
PDF
Customer Success Needs to Grow (Up)
PDF
Customer Success Needs to Grow (Up)
PPTX
Zero to 100 - Part 2: Building a Repeatable, Scalable Growth Process
PPT
Integrating Marketing With Sales
PPT
Buying Model 3G
PPT
Developing C-Level
Sales Playbook Template
BendPoly - Fundamentals of B2B Sales and Marketing
Customer Success Needs to Grow (Up)
Customer Success Needs to Grow (Up)
Zero to 100 - Part 2: Building a Repeatable, Scalable Growth Process
Integrating Marketing With Sales
Buying Model 3G
Developing C-Level

Similar to B2B Marketing Exchange - sales and marketing (20)

PPT
4.02.09 Teleclass Doing Your Best Marketing In The Worst Of Times
PPT
Bd web pp 2
PPTX
8secretstosalesandmarketing
PPT
Lead Scoring Aligning Sales Marketing
PPTX
Pre sales preparation
PPTX
Value of joint sales & mktg strategy clarification diane wieser mcsv
PPTX
Value of joint sales & mktg strategy clarification
PDF
How to identify and build a scaleable sales process
PPTX
Pre sales preparation
PDF
Definitive guide-to-lead-nurturing
PDF
Why it takes 7 13 touches dmanc 011514-presentation_slides
PDF
Why It Takes 7-13+ Touches to Generate a Qualified B2B Sales Lead Today
PPTX
Purchasing Funnel Brand Presentation Linked In
PPTX
Presentation2
PPTX
Presentation2
PDF
insidesales.com-15-time-wasters
PDF
Sales and marketing alignment
PPTX
Outperform Webinar Series: How to Capture Your Customers at the Top of the Fu...
PPTX
Building a B2B Demand Gen Engine
PDF
Product Camp Talk 2014
4.02.09 Teleclass Doing Your Best Marketing In The Worst Of Times
Bd web pp 2
8secretstosalesandmarketing
Lead Scoring Aligning Sales Marketing
Pre sales preparation
Value of joint sales & mktg strategy clarification diane wieser mcsv
Value of joint sales & mktg strategy clarification
How to identify and build a scaleable sales process
Pre sales preparation
Definitive guide-to-lead-nurturing
Why it takes 7 13 touches dmanc 011514-presentation_slides
Why It Takes 7-13+ Touches to Generate a Qualified B2B Sales Lead Today
Purchasing Funnel Brand Presentation Linked In
Presentation2
Presentation2
insidesales.com-15-time-wasters
Sales and marketing alignment
Outperform Webinar Series: How to Capture Your Customers at the Top of the Fu...
Building a B2B Demand Gen Engine
Product Camp Talk 2014
Ad

Recently uploaded (20)

PDF
Nithila Digital Marketer Presentation (2).pdf
PDF
digital marketing courses online with od
PDF
2025_Untamed_HuntingIndustryInsights.pdf
PPTX
Starbucks by Propoint - PPT Template.pptx
PDF
‘’A Comprehensive Study on Tractor Purchase Behaviour among Semi-Urban and R...
PPTX
Best Social Media Marketing Company in Lucknow
PPTX
Digital-Marketing-Freelancer-The-Future-of-Independent-Marketing.pptx.pptx
PDF
Generation Alpha Report 2025 x DKC Analytics.pdf
PDF
Plastic Products-price poster holder pricing board-Loripos.pdf
PPTX
Best Mobile App Development Company in Lucknow
DOCX
FCL vs. LCL Freight Forwarding An Ultimate Handbook for Logistics Experts.docx
DOCX
IREV Platform: Future of Affiliate Marketing
PPTX
Introduction to HUMAN RESOURCE MANGEMENT.pptx
PPTX
1 percent Clicks, percent Traffic Loss-Your SEO Stack Isn’t Built for AI
PDF
EX Kathmandu _Kailash Mansarovar Yatra 2025 by Nagarjuna Travels.pdf
PPTX
Automate your marketing workflow with AI - Rysa AI
PPTX
Best E-Commerce Developmentmpany in Lucknow.pptx
PDF
Chapter 8,9.pdfVGGGCFDRGFDXCRFTGDSEDSFCTGHNHGBVHG
PPTX
Segmentation_EM[1]_Powerpoint prese.pptx
PPTX
Fixing AI Hallucinations: The NeuroRank™ Approach
Nithila Digital Marketer Presentation (2).pdf
digital marketing courses online with od
2025_Untamed_HuntingIndustryInsights.pdf
Starbucks by Propoint - PPT Template.pptx
‘’A Comprehensive Study on Tractor Purchase Behaviour among Semi-Urban and R...
Best Social Media Marketing Company in Lucknow
Digital-Marketing-Freelancer-The-Future-of-Independent-Marketing.pptx.pptx
Generation Alpha Report 2025 x DKC Analytics.pdf
Plastic Products-price poster holder pricing board-Loripos.pdf
Best Mobile App Development Company in Lucknow
FCL vs. LCL Freight Forwarding An Ultimate Handbook for Logistics Experts.docx
IREV Platform: Future of Affiliate Marketing
Introduction to HUMAN RESOURCE MANGEMENT.pptx
1 percent Clicks, percent Traffic Loss-Your SEO Stack Isn’t Built for AI
EX Kathmandu _Kailash Mansarovar Yatra 2025 by Nagarjuna Travels.pdf
Automate your marketing workflow with AI - Rysa AI
Best E-Commerce Developmentmpany in Lucknow.pptx
Chapter 8,9.pdfVGGGCFDRGFDXCRFTGDSEDSFCTGHNHGBVHG
Segmentation_EM[1]_Powerpoint prese.pptx
Fixing AI Hallucinations: The NeuroRank™ Approach
Ad

B2B Marketing Exchange - sales and marketing

  • 1. The Sales Leader Lab Proven & Actionable Programs to Directly Impact Q4 Tony Wiedenski Sales Growth Consultant RevUp Sales [email protected] www.revup-sales.com Michael Phelan Principal & Founder Go-To-Market Pros [email protected] Gotomarketpros.com +
  • 2. Introduction + Michael Phelan Principal & Founder Go-To-Market Pros Tony Wiedenski Founder, Sales Growth Consultant RevUp Sales
  • 3. 6 Ways to Book More Discovery Meetings +
  • 4. 680,000 BDRs finding it harder to get meetings Reps are getting zero training on how to get more meetings
  • 5. 30% Drop: Discovery Meetings Less Meetings: Less Opportunities "83% of buyers buy from the first vendor they reach out to"
  • 7. Sales & Marketing Clutter Increasing
  • 8. Business Climate Tightening & Changing “Corporations are looking to purchase products & services that positively impact business performance in 2023 (cost savings, process efficiencies, enhanced profit, Incremental revenue) “Buyers are keenly interested & influenced by the performance of their best-in-class peers, They have a compelling desire to bridge relevant performance gaps” Need to move to a Jobs-to-be-Done Framework
  • 9. Top BDRs book most of their own meetings independently Anything they get from marketing is ”icing on the cake” Proactively leverage 20 + techniques to get meetings (none are scaled) Select companies know how to create a programmatic approach Results of best practices research
  • 10. “It’s just the economy, discovery meetings will come back” “It’s the dark web, buyers do not want early-stage engagement” “Our buyers no longer want discovery meetings” “We engage buyers later in their journey, meet them where they are” “This is a sales issue, talk to them” ”I promised our CEO that we gain back by increased conversion” “Our new sales tech purchase will solve for this” “Late-stage-only” vendor engagement favors historical market-leader Sales and Marketing executives offer excuses for failing to address a 30% decline in discovery meetings during 2024
  • 11. •Sales & Marketing Leadership needs to offer “Programmatic Prospect Engagement” •Not about messaging, it’s about a “value exchange” •Discovery Meetings need to be led by “buyer-value” •Buyers are evolving but they have common “unmet needs” •Tell your buyers something important they “do not know or see” •MQLs & SQLs needs to change: “Interaction & discovery meetings” •Buyers are motivated to “bridge peer performance gaps” •Buyer Intent does not directly equate to desire to meet you •It’s not about your competitors, it about theirs Implications summary
  • 12. B2B Marketers: Pedaling harder & going slower Need a new approach!
  • 13. Marketing direction: double down on Q4 Execution
  • 14. Proven Programs: Interaction & Discovery • Moderated Best Practices (1) • ABM Referrals & Introductions at scale (2) • Benchmarking & Path Forward Consulting (3) • Score/Plateau • Performance Gaps vs Peer Competitors (4) • Become an Analyst for your Prospects (5) • Prospect Engagement Questionnaires (6) • Prospect/Customer Expert Podcasts (7) • Customer or Employee VOP Pain Research (8) • VIP Dinners, Customer Panels & Round Tables (9) • Proprietary Research (10) • Become News (11-Recorded Future News/Daily) • Create a Prospect Community (12) • Analyst or Expert Access & Introductions (13) • Before & After CX (14) • Day-in-the-Life-Employee/Customer (15) • Executive to Executive Outreach (16) • Meeting Technology (17-Calendly & Chatbots) • Multi-Step Content Assets (18) • Audit & Problem Identification (19-Webgrader) • Hands-On Discovery Workshop (20) • Leaving Money-on-the-Table (21-Staples) • Industry Ranking (22) • Certification (23) • Become the Prospect’s Advocate (24) • Offer New Operating Processes (25-Hubspot) • Top Rated (26) • Custom Database with Purchase Triggers (27)
  • 15. Moderated Best Practices: Exchange Solutions: 95% (1)
  • 16. Benchmarking & Path Forward Consulting (3)
  • 17. Performance gaps vs peer competitors (4) Prospect’s Customer Perfective Versus
  • 18. Before & After Results or CX (14)
  • 19. Audit & Problem Identification (19-Webgrader)
  • 22. Custom Database with Purchase Triggers (27) 5X Increase in Meetings per BDR Program -Prospects with demo buttons converted better -Scraped prospect websites with demo buttons -Overlay data for those hiring BRDs -Overlay data for those seeking to ramp demos -Augmented prospect contact list
  • 23. 5 Ways to Improve Win Rates +
  • 24. 60% 20% 85% Average close rate in B2B sales Deals lost to no decision / no response Time spent evaluating a purchase without a sales person present State of B2B Sales Source: Aggregated company data from 23 companies & Gartner
  • 25. Most deals lost to indecision + extremely limited time with buyer = Sellers need to deliver value on every call/interaction
  • 26. CFOs and Other Decision Makers Ask… 2 1 WHY do we have to do this? WHY can’t we do it on our own, with what we have? 3 WHY do we have to do it now?
  • 28. 5 Ways to Improve Win Rates 1 Why are they here in the first place? What do they need to accomplish? What is preventing them from achieving their goals/initiatives? What problems, and serious impact, could occur? Move beyond the product, focus on why change
  • 29. Buyer Information about YOU Information about THEM - Some product info from website - Pricing (potentially) - Use cases - Research & white papers - Reviews - Goals and priorities - Competitive threats - Systems, teams, process, and people in place today - Pain & problems causing negative impacts - KPIs and metrics - actual vs goal - Decision criteria to evaluate and implement change - Knowledge of the internal buying process and who needs to be involved Product/Seller 👤 - Detailed product info (features) - Actual pricing, discounting - Implementation & training steps - Internal sales process - Industry & type of business - Potential competitors - Potential priorities (if public) - Info gathered on social media Will this product/service help me… - Solve a problem I can’t solve on my own - Achieve an outcome I can’t achieve today with what I have How can I close this sale?
  • 30. The LESS you know about the BUYER, the MORE you rely on the BUYER to decide if they should buy
  • 31. 5 Way to Improve Win Rates 2 Instead, discuss deals using objection information and objective data discussed with and confirmed by the buyer Remove “feelings” from the sale and discuss facts Stop accepting subjective information in deal and pipeline reviews
  • 32. SUBJECTIVE “Great meeting, great demo” “Really good prospect” “They are dealing with a lot of issues” “They don’t have a way to do X…” OBJECTIVE “5 support issues per day, typically X, causing Y, preventing them from Z” “They don’t have location-data and cannot target the right customers at the right time, causing…#”
  • 33. 5 Ways to Improve Win Rates 3 Put every deal through the same stress test Require a minimum threshold for a deal to be forecasted MUST also serve as a coaching framework for your reps Use a repeatable deal framework and stick to it
  • 34. Each piece scored 0.0 missing 0.5 partial 1.0 complete 4 total “points” If you don’t have something, strive to get this information The higher the score, the better chance to close Minimum of 2.5 to be forecasted Example…4-Point Deal Forecasting (1pt) Solution Fit Can you pinpoint which features will fix their pain & problems (1pt) Business Case Is there a quantified business case for change? (1pt) Committee Involved Have you identified the decision committee and are you engaged with each person? (1pt) Agreed Timeline Have you laid out the timeline for when the buyer has to decide and what needs to happen along the way?
  • 35. 5 Ways to Improve Win Rates 4 Use what you learned and describe exactly how you fix their pain/problems Wait as long as possible so you can make the best recommendation Sometimes, needs to happen soon, but pivot back to the customer Rethink discovery - most important part of the sales process
  • 36. Messaging Alignment - Know What You Are Looking For Solution List all services, products, and.or major features you sell Pain Problem Impact What specific pain(s) does each service, product, or solution fix directly? Because those pains exist, what serious problems are occurring, or could occur? What could happen if these problems aren’t fixed? Competitors Internal Threats How do you solve the pain/problems different from your competitors? How might the organization or individual try to solve these pains/problems on their own, with what they already have?
  • 37. 5 Ways to Improve Win Rates 5 Mimic the behaviors of professional sports teams, and other top performers in the field Film review and coaching are CRITICAL of their success to maintain high performance Safe space to do it and to continuously improve Cultivate a high-performing culture that embracing coaching
  • 38. (1) Move beyond the product, focus on why change 5 Ways to Improve Win Rates (2) Stop accepting subjective information in deal and pipeline reviews (3) Use a repeatable deal framework (i.e. 4-pt example) and stick to it (4) Rethink discovery - most important part of the sales process (5) Cultivate a high-performing culture that embracing coaching
  • 39. Next Steps Company-specific session for you and your colleagues +
  • 40. Q & A Ask Us Anything + Michael Phelan Principal & Founder Go-To-Market Pros [email protected] Gotomarketpros.com Tony Wiedenski Sales Growth Consultant RevUp Sales [email protected] www.revup-sales.com