PtB of IEEP TEEB presentation to Ministry of Foreign Affairs den Haag 20 April 2010
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The document discusses the economic value of ecosystems and biodiversity through the TEEB (The Economics of Ecosystems and Biodiversity) initiative, emphasizing the need for policy-makers to integrate ecological values into decision-making. It outlines the urgent need to recognize and account for ecosystem services in economic terms, including practical tools and methodologies to guide investment decisions. The report highlights examples of successful applications and urges action towards sustainable resource management and policy reform.
PtB of IEEP TEEB presentation to Ministry of Foreign Affairs den Haag 20 April 2010
- 1. Investing in healthy ecosystems makes economic sense insights from TEEB for Policy Makers report Patrick ten Brink TEEB for Policy Makers Co-ordinator Head of Brussels Office Institute for European Environmental Policy (IEEP) Ministerie van Buitenlandse Zaken 12:00 – 14:00 20 April 2010 Den Haag, The Netherlands
- 2. Presentation overview Part A: TEEB Process, content and context Part B: Values and Decision Making Part C: Selective instruments from the toolkit Part D: The Way forward : understanding and responding to the value of nature
- 3. TEEB’s goals TEEB’s goals 1. Demonstrate the value to the economy, to society/individuals and wider environment – what we have & what we risk losing. 2. Underline the urgency of action, benefits of action (opportunities), analyse costs of action 3. Show how the value of ecosystem services and biodiversity can be assessed and where it can be useful 4. Show how we (can) take into account the value of ecosystem services and biodiversity in our decisions and choices, 5. Identify / support solutions 6. Address the needs of policy-makers, local administrators, business and citizens (the “end-users”) Source: adapted from Pavan Sukhdev
- 4. TEEB timeline TEEB timeline 2008 2009 2010 D1: Engagement / Feedback / Fine-tune D1: Feedback / input – 20 April : Dutch insights TEEB Phase I TEEB Phase II Sep 09 TEEB Nov 09 Spring/ Summer Final TEEB May 08 Interim report Climate Issues D1 for / Autumn 2010 synthesis & (CBD COP9, Bonn) Update policy D0, D2, D3 & D4 publications (Strömstad) makers CBD COP10 (Oct 2010, Nagoya, Japan)
- 5. TEEB Climate Issues Update - September 2009- Coral reef emergency Forest carbon for climate mitigation National accounting for forest carbon Ecosystem investment for climate adaptation
- 6. TEEB for Policy Makers report - launched 13 November 2009 - The Global Biodiversity Crisis • Coral reef emergency • Deforestation • Loss of public goods… Measuring what we manage • BD & ecosystem service indicators • Natural capital accounts • Beyond GDP indicators et al Available Solutions • PES water, PES – REDD+ • Markets, GPP • Subsidy reform • Legislation, liability, taxes & charges • Protected Areas • Investment in natural capital et al http://www.teebweb.org/ Responding to the value of nature
- 7. What does economic valuation (i.e. TEEB D1 Toolkit) offer ?
- 8. Presentation overview Part A: TEEB Process, content and context Part B: Values and Decision Making Part C: Selective instruments from the toolkit Part D: The Way forward : understanding and responding to the value of nature
- 9. Integrating Economic Values into Policy Assessment “I believe that the great part of miseries of mankind are brought upon them by false estimates they have made of the value of things.” Benjamin Franklin, 1706-1790 “There is a renaissance underway, in which people are waking up to the tremendous values of natural capital and devising ingenious ways of incorporating these values into major resource decisions.” Gretchen Daily, Stanford University
- 10. Ecosystem Services - multiple benefits from ecosystems Ecosystem Services Provisioning services Many services from the same resource • Food, fibre and fuel • Water provision • Genetic resources Regulating Services • Climate /climate change regulation • Water and waste purification • Air purification • Erosion control • Natural hazards mitigation • Pollination • Biological control Cultural Services • Aesthetics, Landscape value, recreation and tourism • Cultural values and inspirational services Supporting Services • Soil formation Important to appreciate the whole set of eco-system services + Resilience - eg to climate change
- 11. Ecosystem Services and awareness of values Provisioning services • Food, fibre and fuel Market values – known and generally taken into account in decision making on land use decisions • Water provision • Genetic resources Value historically oft overlooked; priv. sector exceptions Regulating Services • Climate /climate change regulation Value long ignored, now being understood • Water and waste purification • Air purification Value often overlooked • Erosion control • Natural hazards mitigation • Pollination Value oft appreciated only after service gone • Biological control >> Replacement/substitute costs Cultural Services • Aesthetics, Landscape value, recreation and Sometimes value explicit / implicit in markets tourism (eg tourism spend / house prices) • Cultural values and inspirational services Often values rarely calculated Supporting Services • Soil formation Decision making is biased towards short term economic benefits as the (long-term) + Resilience - eg to climate change value of ecosystem services is poorly understood.
- 12. Taking account of public goods …can change what is the “right” decision on land/resource use US$ Based only on private gain, the “trade- Shrimp Farm /ha/yr off” choice favours conversion….. Mangroves $12,392/ha 10000 $9632/ha After Adding Storm Public protection 5000 Benefits From mangroves $1220/ha Fishery $584/ha nursery $584/ha private profits private private 0 profits profits Net of public less costs of subsidies restoration needed after 5 years If public wealth is included, the “trade-off” choice changes completely….. -ve $11,172/ha >> fundamental rationale for public policy Source: Barbier et al, 2007
- 13. Valuation and policy making: from valuing natural assets to decisions To underline the value of natural assets & help determine where ecosystem services can be provided at lower cost than man-made technological alternatives e.g. water purification and provision, carbon storage, flood control Conservation / restoration and other Investments decisions Avoided cost of alternative water purification and provision e.g. USA-NY – Catskills-Delaware watershed e.g. New Zealand – Te Papanui Park - water e.g. Saltillo City, Mexico – Zapaliname mountains Avoided loss of output e.g. Venezuela: PAs to avoid sedimentation & loss of hydro output Carbon storage – more cost effective than many mitigation or storage options, CCS & biofuels e.g. PAs, REDD+ & equiv (Carbon payments NZ, Uganda: funds Norway, Germany ) Lower cost of flood control e.g. Vietnam and restoring/investing in Mangroves - cheaper than dyke maintenance e.g. Belgium Schelde river: natural flood defence - cheaper than man-made infrastructure What example of practice in NL ? What further scope ?
- 14. Valuation and policy making: from valuing natural assets to decisions Create Political support for new (fiscal) instruments eg UK landfill tax, building on valuation of damage of using landfills for waste disposal. To communicate the need for and influence the size of payments for ecosystem services (PES). Valuation can be useful for municipalities setting up PES for activities leading to clean water provision – and also private sector (eg Vittel) & at international/national level in discussions on design and future implementation of REDD (reducing Emissions from Deforestation and Degradation) and REDD+ Political and public support for action Instrument Choice Instrument design
- 15. Valuation and policy making: from valuing natural assets to decisions Inform impact assessment of Proposed legislation & policies Creating and improved evidence base Valuable for new marine legislation in UK: establishment of Marine Conservation Zones on the basis of ecosystem service benefits Impact assessment within European Commission - change around 2/3rds of policies for the better & often low-cost investment (Evaluation Partnership 2007; Jacobs 2006) Valuable for EU Water Framework Directive Improve legislative design and implementation Trend: we can expect future legislation (and its implementation) to ever increasingly take the value of nature into account
- 16. Valuation and policy making: from valuing natural assets to decisions Inform land-use decision - Creating and improved evidence base – eg India: Floodplain between Yamuna River and Delhi. Choice: convert floodplain / embankment plan or not Evidence showed that ecosystem benefits exceeded opportunity costs of conversion. >> Delhi government halted embankment plan of Yamuna until further order - e.g. Opuntia scrubland in Peru Choice: maintain scrubland or move to agriculture? Analysis of value of provisioning services (e.g. fruit and cochineal), regulating services (nursery and refugium services), erosion control and supporting services (soil formation) >> even if only some of the intangible benefits considered, the value of the scrubland higher than direct revenues from agriculture. Avoid socially less good investment decisions
- 17. Valuation and policy making: from valuing natural assets to decisions Evaluate damage to natural resources to determine appropriate compensation, e.g. under liability regimes in the US and the EU – Exxon Valdez, Erika e.g. Indian Supreme court: compensation payments for forested land conversion Court rules Court rulings Expect increasing attention in future? Sea deadzones & Ag? Pollution impacts? Damage to resources?
- 18. Part B Summary Values and Decision Making Under-valuing biodiversity and the ecosystem services it supports has contributed to the loss of natural capital Historically, many values have been invisible Increasingly values are understood and available Some concrete/real money, market or equiv: eg replacement/substitute costs Some less concrete/virtual money (eg WTP studies)…..that may become real Increasing use in policy assessment and policy choices. Sometimes broad values are enough to raise appreciation of importance Sometimes specific values key - eg for investment decision sometimes either – eg PES schemes: calculation or negotiation approaches work Real world effects – on policies, instruments, investments, results. What values of nature/ecosystem services have been carried out in the Netherlands? Where has an appreciate of value led to policy decision ? What have investment decisions results from appreciating the value of nature?
- 19. Presentation overview Part A: TEEB Process, content and context Part B: Values and Decision Making Part C: Selective instruments from the toolkit Part D: The Way forward : understanding and responding to the value of nature
- 20. Presentation overview Part C: Using Economics-based Policy Instruments for Biodiversity and Ecosystem services The Global Biodiversity Crisis Measuring what we manage Available Solutions • Rewarding benefits: PES, REDD+, ABS, tax relief & fiscal transfers, Markets, GPP • Subsidy reform • Addressing losses : Regulation legislation, liability, taxes & charges, offsets, banking • Protected Areas • Investment in natural capital et al Responding to the value of nature http://www.teebweb.org/
- 21. Ecosystem Services Public Goods and Private Goods Provisioning services • Food, fibre and fuel Market values • Water provision Potential Market values • Genetic resources – eg water supply PES; -eg ABS Regulating Services Potential Market values • Climate /climate change regulation – eg REDD & water purification PES • Water and waste purification - Avoided cost of purification • Air purification • Erosion control Social value – health, wellbeing • Pollination • Biological control Opportunity cost: Lost output or cost of alternative service provider Cultural Services • Aesthetics, Landscape value, recreation and Market values : eco-tourism tourism • Cultural values and inspirational services Social value – identity et al Supporting Services • Soil formation Creation of markets, development of pricing mechanisms one set of solutions + Resilience - eg to climate change to level the economic playing field
- 22. Rewarding Benefits through payments & markets Tools that reward the provision of ecosystem services and promote the greening of supply chains, include: • Payments for Ecosystem services (local, national, international) PES • Access and benefits sharing (ABS) • Tax based mechanism and public compensation mechanisms • Green markets and fiscal incentives (Certification, premia markets, GPP) + investment in natural capital (conservation/restoration/new green infrastructure)
- 23. PES – Practice: Payments for Specific Ecosystem services PES for provision of a specific service • Managing forest & agricultural land to ensure water quality - New York (Catskills-Delaware watershed); Saltillo city, Mexico (Zapalinamé mountains), • To cleanse coastal waters in Sweden • to protect groundwaters in many European countries & parts of Japan – Public - eg Germany and Private - eg Vittel mineral water, France • Carbon storage/sequestration via farm management is rewarded in New Zealand & via forest management in Costa Rica & Uganda & REDD+ • PES are also used for removal of invasive alien species through South Africa’s Working for Water Programme PES for provision of multiple services from a given area • Costa Rica’s PSA - carbon, hydrological services preserving biodiversity and landscape beauty. • groundwater quality + increased biodiversity : e.g. Germany & Bolivia (Los Negros watershed) What example of practice do you know of re PES in the Netherlands? What potential do you see ? For what services ?
- 24. REDD+ Reducing Emissions from Deforestation and Forest Degradation Major potential for this instrument (deforestation ~17% of global GHG emissions) One of the few areas given fairly solid support at the UNFCCC’s Copenhagen COP Probably a very significant scope for private sector engagement. Needs: Confidence: monitoring & verification; natural capital accounts Experience: pilot projects, capacity building, monitoring solutions Investment: money for the projects and payments. Evolution: phasing from pilot, to funds, to market links…. International rationale, international cooperation needs. What is and what could the NL do to help this tool reach its potential ?
- 25. ABS (Access and benefits sharing) “My father said: You must never try to make all the money that's in a deal. Let the other fellow make some money too, because if you have a reputation for always making all the money, you won't have many deals.” J. Paul Getty The current ABS discussions do not appear to be proceeding at an adequate rate for positive final result in Nagoya (though strong interest to address this). What insights/advice does the Netherlands have for making progress?
- 26. Greening Markets… from niches to mainstream Market (niches) for products & services demonstrating conservation benefits: products with reduced direct impacts on biodiversity, due to adoption of more efficient or low-impact production and processing methods e.g. for reduced impact forestry - FSC, PESC certified timber e.g. for fisheries, MSC certification; products with reduced indirect impacts on biodiversity as a result of decreased pollution load e.g. biodegradable detergents – eco-labelled products products and services based on the sustainable use of ecosystem services and biodiversity e.g. ecotourism or biotrade. Need for certification in third countries to facilitate process. Practice and Scope for international dimension of NL support?
- 27. Green Public Procurement Green Public Procurement (GPP) means that public purchasers take account of environmental factors when buying products, services or works. A product or service can only qualify as ‘green’ if it goes beyond what is required by law and beyond the performance of products commonly sold in the market. GPP rapidly developing since the early 2000s; Many large economies – including Japan, China, New Zealand, Korea and the US – also have formal policies in place that stimulate GPP The Netherlands – one of the most committed National government intends to purchase 100% green by 2010, 50 to 75% for local and regional governments. What is your experience of the tool? Lessons for other countries? What needs to make it work best for biodiversity?
- 28. Subsidy reform - increase share of the “good” subsidies still relevant, targeted, effective, positive impacts, few negative effects - remove/reform the “bad" subsidies no longer relevant, waste of money, important negative effects - reform the “ugly” subsidies badly designed – eg inefficient, badly targeted, potential for negative effects Source: building on Sumaiia and Pauly 2007
- 29. Aggregate subsidy estimates for selected economic sectors Over $ 1 trillion per year in Subsidies Most sensible use of funds? Or potential for reform?
- 30. Yet reforming EHS > potential benefits • Reduce resource intensive inputs, saving resources & less pollution >> Lesser pressure on the nature capital stock • Increase competitiveness by exposing subsidised sectors to competition and supporting future competitiveness by resource availability • Level the playing fields / fix market distortions by making resource prices reflect resource value, and making polluters pay for their pollution. • Overcome technological ‘lock-in’ whereby alternative, less established, and possibly more environmentally-friendly, technologies and practices are unable to compete on an equal basis with the subsidised sector >> Move to a more resource efficient economy • Enable government to divert budget to other areas (e.g. education, poverty, PES, energy saving) >> Good governance in a time of crisis What realistic scope for economic savings and environmental (and other) improvements in the Netherlands?
- 32. Taxes & polluter pays principle Incentive effect & revenue raising effect Pesticides tax: 20 SEK/kg (in 2002) 65 % reduction in use (Sjöberg, 2007) Fertiliser taxes or taxes on excess nutrients: Decrease in product use 20-30% in the Netherlands, 11-22% in Finland, 15-20% in Sweden & 15% in Austria. (Ecotec 2001) Plastic bag tax: Ireland (2002). 33 cents per bag at checkout. Plastic bag consumption dropped by 80% from 1.2 billion to 230 million bags in the first year, generating tax revenues (US$ 9.6 million) earmarked for a green fund. Landfill tax: UK £1 billion of contributions paid from landfill operators to env. projects …also energy taxes, carbon taxes, NOx, SOx taxes, range of product taxes etc Scope and ambitions for new taxes in time of budget crisis and year of biodiversity ?
- 33. Charges & full cost recovery Water pricing: e.g. Many EU Member States (e.g. Netherlands, UK) have moved towards full cost recovery for water; significant changes in water pricing for most newer Member States In the Czech Republic, water pricing gradually increased from €0.02/m3 before 1990 to €0.71/m3 in 2004. Between 1990 and 1999, water withdrawals decreased by 88% (agriculture), 47% (industry) and 34% public water mains). Waste: e.g. Korea: volume based waste fee: 1994 to 2004: 14% reduction in municipal waste Netherlands early leader in ETR. Lessons ? Scope and ambitions for taking up this leadership role again?
- 34. Presentation overview Part A: TEEB Process, content and context Part B: Values and Decision Making Part C: Selective instruments from the toolkit Part D: The Way forward : understanding and responding to the value of nature
- 35. The Way forward : understanding and responding to the value of nature Who can do what: Differentiated responsibility / differentiated interests and diverse opportunities Learning from Copenhagen: Multiple paths to progress National Steps / Making TEEB work for countries: Essential building blocks
- 36. Differentiated responsibility / differentiated interests and diverse opportunities Global context: International negotiations, Conventions, Protocols, Treaties CBD COP 10: Nagoya and CBD decisions. + desertification, UNFCCC (REDD+ links; ecosystem based adaption), CITES etc National - international links – eg Bilateral aid: eg Norway, Germany & Forestry Needs: certification of markets in 3rd countries, capacity building re REDD+, taxonomy / science / biomimicry, IPES, offsets/investments, GPP/market pull, monitoring, Natural Capital accounts, and an international platform for science, communication and collaboration: IPBES; et al National efforts – doing it for oneself and demonstrating value Own assessments of value Responding to value : policies, regulation, instruments, investments Private sector – bottom line, opportunities, risks & liabilities, responsibilities greening the supply chain, responding to GPP, making most of markets, measuring risks (eg to inputs), liabilities, investing to reduce risk or liabilities. Communities – solutions (Eg fisheries mng't), engagement (eg PES/REDD), participation Citizens – actions and purchasing: responsibility and self interest.
- 37. The way forward : learning form Copenhagen Copenhagen underlines Risk of international route: success far from guaranteed. >> Selective progress nevertheless possible: REDD+ >> do not put all eggs in CBD COP 10 basket?...how many eggs? Europe’s clout less than we would like to believe/hope? Insufficient preparation – “shoe leather” around the world Insufficient trust – need action (ODA, 0.7%) not words in many cases Recognise moral responsibility – words, commitments and action IPCC: invaluable process but can be target of attack >> IPBES needed, but needs careful design and operation. “other eggs”: bilateral international solutions Benefits of international cooperation: Norway, Germany and Forestry Copenhagen underlines: (own) responsibility & commitments: ODA promises important element of political capital and trust/goodwill “other eggs” national efforts: to lead by example, show commitment (to issues, inc. international dimension), realise own benefits
- 38. National Steps to understand & respond to the vale of nature 1. Understand the nation’s natural capital and the services they provide • assessing and mapping ecosystems, sources of ecosystem services and beneficiaries • eg national ecosystem assessment, local assessments - where promising interest. • include state, trends and threats and potentials • include link between biodiversity / activities that provide the service and the beneficiaries • locally, nationally, internationally/globally • understand trade-offs (across ecosystem services etc). • start with promising/importance sources, but aim for full picture over time (integrated approach).
- 39. National Steps to understand & respond to the vale of nature 1. Understand the nation’s natural capital and the services they provide (cont.) valuation where it matters: eg start re investment decisions • eg water purification services and water supply for cities • eg flood control (& other natural hazards) and natural solutions • eg green infrastructure and health benefits (cities) • eg PA and tourism • eg MPAs and fisheries benefits • eg carbon storage and sequestration value (trees, soil, grasslands, wetlands etc) • eg pollution impact (Eutrophication, oil spills, water quality, soil quality) & value lost. • eg risks of invasive species & benefits of action (avoided damage/lost output) some are discrete stand alone, many are interrelated: aim for whole picture across services. • start towards natural capital accounts – long route, essential destination • Physical accounts • links to economic accounts - via depreciation of natural capital etc
- 40. 2. Understand opportunities to respond • Differentiated responsibility / rights, roles, potential • international bodies/processes, national public authorities, regional / local authorities • Private sector and how to engage them (interest, responsibility) • Communities and citizens and how to engage them (information, participation) • Policy review/audit – what instruments are in place addressing what issues ? • strengths, gaps, weaknesses; good governance: synergies and coherence •What windows of opportunities are there for action ? • eg election manifestos (eg France: Grenelle de L’environnement; UK) • major reports or events to respond to (oil spills, species loss/collapse, flooding…and in due course, natural capital accounts publication or IPBES reports) • major political events or processes (CBD, UNFCCC, CITES… ) • Creating own windows of opportunity (eg green tax commissions) What opportunities in the Netherlands and for NL internationally ?
- 41. 3. Understand where greatest benefits of action (and resistance to action) will lie • understand scale, location and timescale of the benefits of action (here and now; there and then; them and us – the whole picture) • understand winners and losers (losers will often resist more than winners will encourage) • understand tradeoffs across 4 capitals (man-made, environmental, social and human) • understand synergies and tradeoffs across ecosystem services • timescale of costs, timescale of benefits (critical for PA dialogue and transition management) •..eg Marine protected areas (MPAs): • often major benefits after, 3,5,8 years Lessons from transition management in the Netherlands ?
- 42. 4. Action: Choose solutions that work & lead by example • Each country has different ecological context and challenges • Different economic and social context • Different experience with policy tools • Different political appetite for action in different areas • No one solution for all • Lead by example where it works nationally • Keep an eye on the bigger picture and timing for timing for other initiatives •Eg some countries might start with a focus on MPAs and fish •Others on cities and water purification and provision • yet others on PAs, landscape and tourism What are the particular biodiversity challenges in the Netherlands? Where is there potential to build on the value of ecosystem services? Where is and where can the NL lead by example?
- 43. Eroding natural capital base & tools for an alternative development path Opportunities/benefits of ESS No net loss from 2009 level Past loss/ Investment in natural capital +ve degradation Halting biodiversity loss change ` Regulation Better governance Economic signals : PES, REDD, ABS (to reward benefits) Charges, taxes, fines (to avoid degradation/damage: Alternative natural capital Subsidy reform (right signals for policy) Sustainable consumption (eg reduced meat) Development path Markets, certification/logos & GPP Agricultural innovation Investment in natural capital: green infrastructure Predicted future loss of natural capital Restoration (schematic) – with no additional policy action PAs 2009 Where is the Dutch experience of value to other countries ? What plans exist 2050 or potential is there for domestic or international measures in 2010+?
- 44. Part D Summary Making it happen Under-valuing biodiversity and the ecosystem services it supports has contributed to the loss of natural capital Historically, many values have been invisible Increasingly values are understood and available Increasing use in policy assessment and policy choices. Real world effects – on policies, instruments, investments, results. More steps are needed to appreciate and respond to the value of nature The whole picture of benefits and costs need to be appreciated – the here and now, the over there and over time, the private and public http://hattoriforth.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83549e5d069e20120a6ebb5b0970b-800wi …is this enough to work out what to do? …always better to look at the whole board
- 47. Thank you ! Looking forward to discussion on the Insights from the Netherlands Patrick ten Brink TEEB for Policy Makers Coordinator [email protected] TEEB for Policy Makers report http://www.teebweb.org/ TEEB Contributors include: Major funders:
- 48. TEEB – Final Report June 2010 TEEB reports for different end-users TEEB D0: Ecological and Economic Foundations TEEB D1: TEEB for National and International Policy-Makers TEEB D2: TEEB for Local Policy- Makers and Administrators TEEB D3: TEEB for Business TEEB D4: TEEB for Citizens
- 49. Presentation overview Major Policy Interest G8+5 Message from Syracuse http://www.g7.utoronto.ca/environment/env090424-summary.pdf Bonn (COP 9) CBD Process London (UK-Brazil co-chaired informal experts meeting) 60+countries; Trondheim Biodiversity Conferences 100+countries Nagoya (COP 10) EU Message from Athens http://ec.europa.eu/environment/nature/biodiversity/conference/pdf/message_final.pdf Message from Strömstad http://www.se2009.eu/polopoly_fs/1.14381!menu/standard/file/Chairs%20conclusion%20Str%C3%B6mstad.pdf Message from Madrid http://www.fundacion-biodiversidad.es/minisites/2009/conferencia2010/doc/Prioridades_Cibeles.pdf National Politics Benn to call on world leaders to adopt biodiversity pricing Environment secretary says a way must be found to take account of the economic impact of decisions on biodiversity Patrick Wintour http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/jan/25/hilary-benn-biodiversity-pricing
- 50. TEEB D1: TEEB for International and National Policy-Makers Available on http://www.teebweb.org/